The Gamer Headlines wrote: Just a short while ago, EA replied to a fan petition that wanted to “Remove Anita Sarkeesian from Mirror’s Edge 2 game development”, stating that the petition itself was based on false information.
Im genuinely curious how a game Sarkeesian assisted with would be. She seems able to pick apart 99% of games as being malicious in some way. I find it odd she likes Mirror's edge so much. The characters and world are really underdeveloped and the gameplay is only really semi-interesting.
It would just be a white screen. No wait, that would be racist. It would just be a black screen.
An African-American screen.
Black screen would be racist also as a white person i'm offended. Please make it a rainbow so we have all colors. Thanks.
Nah a rainbow screen only appeals to gays. That's racist against heteros. Please make the screen full of instagram-toned static.
I can't. I really can't. Lmao the rainbows!!!!!
African, so what else European American, South American American
Why can't we just all treat each other equally racist/sexist and leave behind the political correctness which itself is prejudice to racism/sexism. As a racist and sexist I am deeply offended.
Any race + American is racist to people from Europe. Please have a picture Shu hugging Kaz, whilst playing Super Smash Bros with Xbox controllers.
The game box would come with a knife so you could cut out your tongue, blind yourself and puncture your ear drums. That way you cannot participate in society, and therefore, you cannot be misogynist.
As a Western-European American with 10% native american non-hispanic origin, I am deeply offended by the comments above about instagram status afirmative quotas.
Y'all really have me laughing at this ctfu
@hammadthebeast how do you americans distinguish black or other peoples ethnic origin and citizenship just by looking at them? what do people call white american? just find it strange how overcomplicated they do things in US. well, not targeting at you. im just a little curious. in UK we just normally say white, black, brown and chinese(we dont really say yellow)
I just call everyone American. I could care less where they come from since we are all mutts anyway. I have yet to meet someone offended by simply referring to them as American. Not many people feel the need to distinguish themselves by skin tone, that is usually a label applied by others.
I can't find Africa-America anywhere on this globe! WTF!
Well, she has a curator list on Steam, there are a lot of games she holds in high regard for the issues she focuses on. Also they did that whole game/character design exercise with creating positive female/minority characters, so she's not speaking from a place where she's not thought it through. Even if we do disagree with some of what she says, which it's hard not to sometimes.
Interesting, would you be so kind as to link me to this list?
"Also they did that whole game/character design exercise with creating positive female/minority characters." You wouldn't be talking about that Prince of Persia rip off where she just substituted the Prince for herself are you? That's not exactly thinking it through. Also, have a curator's list isn't "experience" or really any gauge of anything other than her personal tastes, which could also be a load of bull as she could have easily just chose games made by friends or games that supports her positions but aren't actually any good.
Dragonknight: "substituted the Prince for herself" LOL. That's a funny take on it. Regardless of your opinion on the merit of the outcome of that exercise, there was a point. I never said anything about curator lists showing experience. It's very weird thought as everyone starts from a position of "no industry experience" anyway. You can still be qualified to do things within the industry. All I was saying is she has clear ideas what she does and doesn't like. Which helps when pondering "what would an Anita game be like" - Who knows! One day maybe we'll find out. "gauge of anything other than her personal tastes, which could also be a load of bull as she could have easily just chose games made by friends or games that supports her positions but aren't actually any good." - like everyone else's curator list then? Looking at her curator list, its pretty inoffensive stuff! I wasn't commenting on some nebulous "objective quality" - and neither is she.
I agreed when she said that she wasn't into video games. It was around the time when she pretended that she was into/understood video games. Whenever that was :D Edit: She seems to be a con artist mixelon, no matter what she is masquerading as.
mixelon your ceaseless defense of her opens you up to so many erroneous, or unimportant, statements. "That's a funny take on it. Regardless of your opinion on the merit of the outcome of that exercise, there was a point." I'm not even the first person to have that opinion. Most who've seen that poor excuse of a game idea thought the same way, Thunderf00t in fact has quite accurately dismantled that idea for the fraud it is. If her point was "a game is great when everything i want is made into a game, plus it stars me" then she definitely got that point across. If the idea was to create a unique, allegedly inclusive, allegedly non-sexist game then she failed miserably. "I never said anything about curator lists showing experience. It's very weird thought as everyone starts from a position of "no industry experience" anyway. You can still be qualified to do things within the industry. All I was saying is she has clear ideas what she does and doesn't like. Which helps when pondering "what would an Anita game be like" - Who knows! One day maybe we'll find out." A consultant by definition has to have experience, which is what this whole things surrounds. A consultant wouldn't be able to consult without any experience. We all have clear ideas about what we do and do not like, doesn't mean companies like EA are knocking at our doors going "hey, help us make a game." Even though this was always just a rumour, it's a rumour with a real possibility behind it and I for one pray to Cthulhu that she NEVER gets to consult on a game. I would however love for her to put up or shut up and actually try making a game filled with her own ideas, only to see it tank when people avoid it like the plague. "like everyone else's curator list then?" Proving the point that her list is completely unimportant and irrelevant to anything. "Looking at her curator list, its pretty inoffensive stuff! I wasn't commenting on some nebulous "objective quality" - and neither is she." Inoffensive to whom? You're part of the group of people that complain about literally everything. You don't think that someone somewhere would find offense in one of the games she chose? And you may not be commenting on some "nebulous objective quality" but that's all that she does. Every single day, and with every single video, she comes off as believing she holds the key to the "right" kinds of games that need to be made and anything else is a social injustice needing to be quashed.
DragonKnight: Well, what a surprise you're into Thunderfoot. Ugh. "Inoffensive to whom? You're part of the group of people that complain about literally everything." Well, that's certainly *not* hyperbole! Actually read my posts and I'm pro most things, actually. Your need to control and pigeonhole is funny. A list of games I've complained about: .... No games here. If you read my Hatred posts you'll see I actually have hope for the game and will buy it if it's not shit and there's something to it. I defend everyone's right to complain about everything, and can relate to people when they do, and try to understand why. "You don't think that someone somewhere would find offense in one of the games she chose?" Is that even a point? What is your problem? XD "pretty inoffensive" does not equal "there is NO way anyone could ever find offence to any singe facet of this product!" There isn't a thing in existence that applies to. If people ARE offended by something then they should be free to comment. It wouldn't be a big deal, would it? What I actually meant by "pretty inoffensive" was that she hasn't picked some horrible SJW propaganda games that everyone can point and laugh at or consider threatening or bad for us as gamers, they're overwhelmingly good games by our standard gamer leanings (except one - Gone Home, before you bring that up, LOL) with quite universal appeal and no scary proselytising. "And you may not be commenting on some "nebulous objective quality" but that's all that she does. Every single day, and with every single video, she comes off as believing she holds the key to the "right" kinds of games that need to be made and anything else is a social injustice needing to be quashed." No. Your reality is bizarro. She critiques and starts conversations. She gets people thinking/talking. That was always her stated goal even so far as her original Kickstarter campaign. The fact that people get so up in arms about it plays into her success though. I *never* said her curator list was important to anything, I said it shows she isn't anti everything, so if she did make a game it wouldn't be *nothing* which was *the point i replied to.* - The fact that you so vehemently attack anything and anyone who doesn't support the common image certain people have painted her with (and apparently me, and others by association) says something. I never said she'd be a worthwhile consultant. Just that if she was involved in game dev there would be.. Output. It might not be good output, who cares? I didn't even allude to that. Phew, out of bubs.
"Well, what a surprise you're into Thunderfoot. Ugh" Yeah, stupid me for being "into" someone that posts, you know, facts backed up with evidence. It's such a shame that I listen to a scientist and not some random 30-something woman conning the world successfully and running away from ANY debate at all because she can't control actual debates. Man, what must I be thinking. "Well, that's certainly *not* hyperbole! Actually read my posts and I'm pro most things, actually. Your need to control and pigeonhole is funny." Control and pigeonhole. Hmmm. Do you or do you not incessantly defend this person? Yes. Have you or have you not publicly posted support of this person's message? You have. Oh no, I'm WAY off the mark. You're totally right. "A list of games I've complained about: .... No games here. If you read my Hatred posts you'll see I actually have hope for the game and will buy it if it's not shit and there's something to it. I defend everyone's right to complain about everything, and can relate to people when they do, and try to understand why." This makes you sound like MundaneMatt, a perpetual and habitual a$$ kisser with no actual opinion of their own. Which is contradictory to your very presence here. In short, defending a person's right to complain isn't the same as defending and possibly even agreeing with their complaints. "Is that even a point?..." Pretty inoffensive is a term you used. A general description you just threw out there without thinking, and now you're trying to skirt the point, which you already know full well, with feigned befuddlement. Basically, you can't say that her list is pretty inoffensive and then say there's nothing that isn't offensive. Oxymoron. "What I actually meant by "pretty inoffensive"..." Again, you can't make that claim. Especially since it sounds like she's just playing it safe so that people like you will continue to defend her. "But look at the games she likes, they aren't SJW Heaven." And? Her curator list has already been established as being literally meaningless, by your own admission when you said "just like everyone's list then?" so why you insist on using it as some defense for/of her is confusing. "No. Your reality is bizarro. She critiques and starts conversations. She gets people thinking/talking. That was always her stated goal even so far as her original Kickstarter campaign. The fact that people get so up in arms about it plays into her success though." Name ONE conversation, involving her, that she started. Just one. I think you'll find that she tone polices, censors, and completely ignores conversation. What she does is make statements. Completely facetious, and inaccurate statements. She paints the industry with a wide, misogynist brush that has insulted pretty much every AAA developer and development studio there is. She does not, in any way, contribute positively to the exchange of ideas, or foster actual conversation. She speaks to an echo chamber, and those not part of it quite accurately call her out to deaf ears. You're naive and blind to believe otherwise. As for the rest of your spiel, I don't even care to read it. Your defense of her is incredibly lame to the point where it just comes off as doing so just to do it. The woman has brought no good to anything she's been a part of. Anyone with eyes can see it.
By high regard you mean putting lest than 15 words in their descriptions.
I don't see any contribution from anita about gender equality / female characters in video games. Because far before she open her mouth, there already countless of amazing female characters in video games. Example like Samus Aran from Metroid, Chun-Li from Street Fighter, Meryl Silverburgh from MGS, Nina from Breath of Fire, Regina from Dino Crisis, Jill Valentine / Claire Redfield / Ada from Resident Evil, and many more. So the talked about female characters didn't have the same spot like male characters from anita are BS. To bad a bunch of brainless people defended her and even made her looks like a very important person in video game industry :/
***mixelon your ceaseless defense of her opens you up to so many erroneous, or unimportant, statements. *** As opposed to your ceaseless offense towards her? I don't see anywhere where mixelon defends Anita here, only responds to the initial criticism here of "She picks apart 99% of games" with actual data on where to find some games you could look at to get an idea of how her thoughts on the game might be taken. ***A consultant by definition has to have experience,*** Yeah, but her expert opinion doesn't have to be about how to develop a game so much as how to design a character and a world specific to her expertise. Whether you agree or not with her expertise, that's something else. ***Proving the point that her list is completely unimportant and irrelevant to anything.*** And yet providing a source for people who might actually care to see what type of games she has been influenced by in a positive way. --- I get a lot of people don't like Anita, but some of you need to not just take it out on others here when all they do is provide data that people can use to analyze Anita. It's getting to a point where you can't say anything that isn't completely negative about her and people will jump down your throat about it. Ease back. Let the hatred for her go and realize that someone pointing to a list of games she likes in response to people saying she hates all games isn't trying to shove her ideas upon anyone here.
@MoveTheGlow Thanks, +helpful @cgood Agreed. I don't really like Anita but mixelon was just replying to my criticism with something relevant, even if it is a little trivial. I learned something, at least. DragonKnight i agree with you 90% of the time but you can come across as an extremist.
As much as I wouldn't want her to consult on a game within an established franchise that people actually want a sequel for, primarily because I find her motivations suspect, I once said that maybe she shouldn't be removed from the project, which I guess is irrelevant now. My reasons behind it are that a lot of people criticize her for not really understanding the market, not speaking for all female gamers or even feminist, and generally just being self-serving. Because of this, I thought it would be good if gamers and the companies themselves could see if her ideas, or what she wants from games could actually survive in the market. Her ideas may have held weight, and it may have worked out, and lets face it, how many times have we said if people want a certain type of game they should go out and make it. If given the chance, wouldn't anyone go and work on a AAA game, even as a consultant? On the other hand, the game could have been terrible due to her input. It probably wouldn't be well received by the gamer community due to her association with it regardless of quality, but if it had truly been bad, then it makes it so she actually has to work to prove why her beliefs are relevant to game design and production, or would force a reevaluation on what it is that really is needed in terms of equal representation. Either way, it actually works out in the end. I don't necessarily disagree with her stated purpose of better representation within games, just many of her assertions as to how that should be done, and her examples used to prove her point. @cg The original rumor was more than just input on direction of the game, but also about how the game should be developed from a game play standpoint. It seemed odd to me that she would be brought on in that capacity, because it's highly unlikely that given when she was brought in, that any major changes to game play or story would happen anyways. Art direction(ie character design) is easy enough to change, but those other elements are usually decided in pre-production.
@nikrel As a white privileged person you lie, because you can't be racist against white people. Just like sexism against men doesn't exist. Haven't you been educating yourself by watching Anita's videos?
Cap'n, as a black man I'm offended on behalf of Reginald Denny for your clearly racist comment that you can't be racist against white people. Though I agree you can't be sexist against men because we're almost always horny so objectification works for us.
What about a white woman's white privilege vs a black man's male privilege? Which trumps which? Who is oppressing who?
@king HEY HEY WOAH! I know SJWs like Anita have spread a lot of anti-intellectual fear, but that's no cause to kill them by making their brains explode!
http://steamcommunity.com/g... There's a bunch of totally inoffensive stuff on there and a few genuinely great games. Beyond good and Evil, Sword and Sworcery, Thomas Was Alone, Mirrors Edge, Portal 1 & 2, Papa and Yo. People hate on all facets of her, which is overblown IMO. She knows what she likes and she doesn't have inherently terrible taste. She just dislikes and disagrees with some things we like.
"People hate on all facets of her, which is overblown IMO... She just dislikes and disagrees with some things we like." Agreed. But a lot of us still really dislike her.
She thought Tomb Raider was terrible, It was arguably one of the best games in the last few years.
Based on the curation list, I'd say she's pretty narrative-driven - which is slightly different from having a fleshed-out world or even a great story. She's got stuff on there that I love - Beyond Good and Evil, for instance - and stuff I can't get into - Sword and Sworcery, which... ugh, those controls... and that pathfinding... I don't mind, she's trying to put together a list for people who like her videos. It's certainly not a bastion of great gameplay (Portal 1&2 aside!) but it's not bad.
Is she selling Snake Oil Still ?
She has stock in haterade (H8TR) and sees a decent ROI every time she makes a public appearance with her ideological views of games and the world around her.
She is a feminist and she needs to stay out of the gaming industry. She has no business telling companies what to do. If she wants a game catered towards woman and the feminist woman agenda... Then she needs to open a business, hire a team of developers, and make the game she wants to make. She has no business whatsoever stating that the gaming industry needs to change. Especially for her own personal beliefs.
How can she make a game if you're saying she's got to stay out of the industry? If EA/DICE were using her to help make a game then isn't that up to them? If you want games that fit your non-femenist agenda then why don't you open a business, hire a team and make the game you want to make... possibly with blackjack, and hookers.
Alright, here I will correct my statement about her staying out of the gaming industry. If she wants to be in the gaming industry she should either find a company that wants to support her feminist agenda or make her own games. She has no business trying to tell any company what they can and can't have in her game because she doesn't like it. Because the games that I currently play are made at the developers discretion with the content they choose. They aren't getting changed or altered because of some feminist. If she wants to make her own game or a company wants her help to make a game... then good for her... However, she needs to mind her own business and keep her big mouth shut when it comes to the development of games that she has nothing to do with. If she doesn't like the game, the content of the game, then she doesn't need to play it... simple as that. So telling me to open my own business to make my own games is irrelevant to the conversation. You tried to make it relevant and contradict my comment but it didn't work.
LOL stop making stuff up the girl has said anything jeezzz.
It's not even her personal review trying to call out malicious games. She has writers and she does not pay attention to what she says on camera
"Im genuinely curious how a game Sarkeesian assisted with would be." She was invited to speak to developers at Bungie during Destiny's development about creating strong female characters. It was the feedback she received from this talk that prompted her to developer her Tropes series. Bungie has always been big supporters of Sarkeesian's work. So I guess if you want to see what such a game would look like, look no further than Destiny.
It seems the only games that Anita favors for their female protagonists are ones where you don't see their body 95% of the time. I highly doubt she cares about the gameplay on any sginificant level whatsoever. Also: The gameplay in Mirror's Edge was very unique and interesting to a lot of people. That's really subjective, so what anyone feels is fun/interest isn't usually worth stressing far beyond personal preferences. Many, however, would also agree that it had a lot of potential untapped and that's why they want another game from the IP; to build and improve on a rough gem.
That this is good to know, that the rumor is false.
Now i'm relived, no way i would buy a game with her involved. NEVER!
After all of this time, I would have been very upset if I would have had to boycott Mirror's Edge 2. I've wanted it for so long.
EA isn't in the mood to lose millions in sales.
They should make the main character of Mirror's Edge 2 a female with giant muscles. Like, huge, giant muscles. This way they can get the message out there that not all women in games are helpless.
it wouldn't matter, Sarkesian and company would find a problem with her. Bayonetta has a kick-ass female protagonist. They denounced her as only being their for the "male gaze"
They'd say she's just a man with boobs.
Yeah I know. Unfortunately you're right. She was the one that claimed Red Dead Redemption was one of the culprits for portraying women as helpless prostitutes, even though the game featured one of the strongest female characters of all time in video game history with Bonnie MacFarlane. She was a ranch owner who did all the work on the ranch. She saved the main character's life and nursed him back to health. She protected him when he was too injured to protect himself. Yeah, she seems real helpless.
That was one of her biggest fumbles IMO. That's not at all an opinion shared by all.. Err... "progressives". Bayonetta is awesome and sex positive, but oh well. We can agree to disagree. I can see WHY she'd think what she does though, I just.. Think it's dumb. lol.
Yeah, Bayonetta is contentious. For example, another person in this vein of criticism, Brianna Wu, absolutely loves Bayonetta. Heck, the mention of Bayonetta 2 on Isometric broke her out of depression for a bit. The women I know who have played it have loved it, but then again, I know some pretty awesome women.
Well, have you seen that character? They pornificatifiationfied her...or whatever made up feminist word she used.
Yes, the anti-Gal Gadot.
That rumor was ludicrous from the start.
It should be, but after Anita won the gaming ambassador award, after numerous developers have publicly pandered to her sexist and toxic ideology... it was obsoletely plausible.
If this happened based on a rumor, there's no way any developer is going to go to her for help. We are safe in that regard.
Wait wait wait. So everyone actually BELIEVED this rumor? That a random stupid 'game critic' who created one of the biggest controversies to hit gaming in years, was hired by a reputable developer like DICE, and that she was dictating the entire development of the game? Shit, gamers really are morons.
Anita Sarkeesian received an award from the GDC, presented to her by Neil Druckmann who claims her work influenced Ellie's design in The Last of Us. I think it'd be stupid NOT to believe that any company would hire her to get the feminists off their backs.
True. I can only hope that petitions like these make large companies aware that dealing with feminist flak is better than neglecting the core fanbase.
So we're going to assume that she's working on any game? Seeing how there was no evidence for her involvement wtih Mirror's Edge, that's basically what your comment implies.
360ICE: I guess the part where developers are listening to her went completely over your head and the possibility, more likely probability, that she will be consulted for games in the future is high doesn't register for you does it? Just because this instance is an allegedly debunked rumour (I say allegedly because who outright trusts EA on anything), the idea that her work has already influenced games actually exists. If Druckmann can come out and say that she influenced Ellie's design, and other indie devs are saying they've scrapped whole games because of her, you actually can't conceive of a situation in which a dev would say "hey, come tell us how to develop this game" at all?
@360ICE: EA can still pay for her to act as some kind of consultant, and still say that she's not working on the game. edit: so EA could easily be playing with semantics here.
If and I do mean "IF" EA wants to take Anita sarkeesian's ideas and likeness and add it to mirror edge 2. Then its their right to do so since its their game to make. But make no mistake its my money and I do plan to vote with my wallet and not support it in anyway. Not because im a sexist or trying to keep women out. But because shes a fraud and I will not support her agenda. By Doing a petition only proves her and SJW point. Only because they will try to use it as "see how they dont want women in games" instead of "we dont want your input in games"
Yea wtf is this rumor lol. I checked the employee email listing and her name didn't pop up haha