Bethesda Softworks' Ashley Cheng, the Producer of Fallout 3 stated his disappointment of Diablo 3's announcement on his blog in a post entitled "When the ship runs out of ocean."
yes who cares... Diablo 3 will be much better than fallout 3
I think Diablo 3 and Fallout 3 will both be great games. No sense it making it a "who has the biggest d#ck" contest.
Diablo 3 obviously has the biggest d%&#).
I'm going to own both games from both companies. So really, I don't care who is saying what as long as their games come out.
the photo of his face is disturbing.
Diablo 3 is pure nostalgia and completely overated. I will put Diablo 3, RE5, GTA4, and Star Craft 2 to the most overated games.
Who really cares what Rubber-Johnny-face thinks, anyway? Fallout 3 is one of my most anticipated games of the year, and I'm sure Diablo 3 will have a lot of followers when it comes out also.
That's one ugly motherf*cker.
Diablo 3 in all its glory, but If Fallout 3 is anything near Fallout 2 its gonna be daaaamn good.
I think it's seriously ironic that Bethesda should say this about Blizzard, considering how they've been developing the same damn game since 1994 (Arena) and haven't really innovated anything since then, if only to make things dumber and more 'streamlined' with each new game they've released.
Oblivion was a step down from morrowind, just better graphics you're definitely right
Or ull be the dumba$$ of the party...
Here we go again... Why cant these developers just worry about making their own games.
Jealous much Bethesda? I wish that Fallout 3 was Isometric and not Oblivion with guns. Will i buy Fallout 3? Yes, because my love for the old ones makes me have to. That doesn't mean during the whole game i will say "Black Isle" did it better.
Bubbles for your my friend. If Bethesda was making Diablo 3, it would have been a first person game known as Oblivion with Diablos! Also, Black Isle or Blizzard > Bethesda. (IMO, Black Isle (RIP) > ALL).
I think that Bethesda is jealous, but the article is not that bad he just said he was dissapointed that they're keeping with traditional diablo and starcraft, um yeah well that's why we play them, it's not like it's Diablo II with 3d graphics, It's got all new items, characters, worlds, sequels are usually made for the fans there bethesda maybe you should learn a thing or two, or maybe your just a lazy idiot who wants to make a good dollar off an amazing franchises name, plus you are making it first person just so you can release it on the consoles, because you want more money, and an isometric game wouldn't do so well on a console, well guess what bethesda I'm dissapointed in you, why don't you go on ruining the once classic Elder Scrolls franchise, and stop messing with my fallout.
Bethesda improve things for the times! I mean video games have nothing to do with Technology after all. How dare they give us choice between 1st, and 3rd person views to give us the best view possible! I for one am outraged! Man do I miss the 8 bit era, when I couldn't tell what the F I was looking at, but even then the 2 bit guys were telling me how much cooler their outdated technology was than my cutting edge stuff. In fact lets just stop making new games altogether, and just play our old ones over, and over, and over again.
@closing, um, what, let me ask you a question have you even played Elder Scrolls 1-3? if you have then you will see what a hollow shell Oblivion is compared to them. A choice of first person or 3rd person. And also have you played Fallout 1 and 2 if you have, then you realize that just because games are getting more technologically brilliant doesn't make them a better game, I don't even know where to start on that comment, what, since your playing an 8bit game means that anything below that sucks? I encourage new games, but when you create a game (fallout III) that does nothing but piss the ORIGINAL fans of the series off then what the hell is the point?
@mepsipax: don't bother dude a good amount if not the majority of the people that comment in this Bethesda Fallout 3 articles have never played any fallout game and neither do they even understand the change that is being done to Fallout 3 from the previous ones and they keep on posting comments that reflect that like the user Closing there that even when people tried to explain the situation to him last time he seems unable to get it so yet again God forbid the Closing from understanding the subject at hands...sigh
Being pissed about it incorporating systems to keep up the the current standards that can only heighten the emersion is absolutely retarded. I see a lot of people playing the whole pseudo I'm a true fan card. For example I've been a huge MGS fan from day one, but did you see me moaning when they incorporated a camera system that helps break down that this is only a game barrier? Or how about when they improve the shooting system so that I have better accuracy? I see this close mindedness all the time in music, and everything else, but if you don't like progression, and want the same thing over, and over than just stick with the first record, and quite the complaining. There's no point in doing a sequel if you're not trying to improve, and change things, and if they didn't then logical people would really complain saying, "this is blah blah blah 1.5 I feel ripped!" True fans are the ones who at very least give the creators a chance to change, and improve. God forbid you Charlie try, and grasp some simple logic of what I'm trying to explain. Honestly you can think what you want but don't expect there to be no opposing views on a subject as old as time or that I don't know enough to form a basis on a subject from a million other sources.
wow, just wow, we were discussing the problems with bethesda and fallout and oblivion, and now you seem to be going on and on about innovation in games, well, first off Oblivion was a step back from Morrowind, MGS4 while has an awesome story/graphics/presentaion has gameplay that doesn't really innovate at all, of course we want a new game, but we also want sequels to game we have enjoyed in the past, so what the hell is the point in calling Fallout 3, Fallout 3? why not just making it a post apocalyptic fps in the style of Fallout, I would probably love it if it wasn't trying to claim the unattainable throne of fallout 3, man, you are obviously a console fanboy, innovation in games is dead anyway. And what about letting the creators do what they want with it, I have no problem with Blizzard or Valve messing with their classic franchises but when some random company that has nothing to do with the original developers starts making the original developers game and f#cks around with the whole gameplay style (no turned based combat, first person,) then it's obvious they're just trying to make floads of money and don't give a rats ass about the original fans. I'm done after this next question have you ever played the original fallout/elder scrolls games? If so then you are blind and do not see the killing (how was oblivion better than morrowind and how will Fallout 3 be better than fallout 2), and if no, then shut up.
I definitely see what you're saying, but at this point we don't really know what this game has to offer, and to count it out due to its name frankly seems a bit shallow since you admitted yourself the game shows a lot of promise. If Fallout could have gotten the rights from EA for the name Wasteland then they most likely would have. Now you asked if I played the other games, and the answer is no, but I've been in your shoes before, and I can relate. However not matter what you feel it's not your game, and you don't own the rights to the game, and if they sold it to people who genuinely feel they know what's best for the franchise then thats their business.. You don't know what's in the Bethesda hearts. I'm on the end where I've heard what they've done to the system, and it doesn't seem like I big deal to me personally or that it can be anything, but helpful. I think as long as you get the same type of feeling while playing it, and the story-line continuation feels natural than they've done their job. That aspect can only be told when you ACTUALLY PLAY the game, and that's something you can tell me once you played it since you played the others. Lastly you saying innovation is dead in games is about the silliest thing I've ever heard. There's always going to be innovation. Seriously get over yourself man.
alright, that's fair, but Bethesda only got fallout rights because Interplay was closing due to money problems so the sale wasn't in the best interest of the franchise, as for innovation being dead, it is (on AAA titles) there is too much money getting spent on games nowadays that publishers will not allow developers to go outside the box, while there will be a few games coming out with a few innovative features, there will never be a title that will kick you in the teeth with innovation, you can only innovate so far. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Fallout III won't be a bad game it just will be a kick in the balls as a fan of the franchise.
A**holes. They ruined the Fallout 3 with a first person view instead of a must Isometric view and now are attacking Diablo 3 for staying faithful to its roots and fans. I hope this story isn't fully true or I might lose a whole lot of respect for Bethesda.
Thank you Red, me and you are on the same page here. Also when watching the Diablo 3 vid it ruined Fallout 3 for me. I'm proud of Blizzard for being true to the fans. If Black Isle made this game you know damn well then would of made it old school.
Absolutly agreed. The exact same thing happend to me after seeing gameplay of Diablo 3. It seriously killed my love for Bethesda's FPS Fallout 3. Seeing Diablo 3 in all of its isometric glory ruined this Fallout 3 for me too. Blizzard indeed stayed true to its fans, unlike Bethesda and their Oblivion (Biggest possible insult to Morrowind and Daggerfall fans).
Couldn't agree more, I haven't exactly been quiet on my hate for Oblivion. . . .lol
I agree with what you guys are saying but what about the look of Diablo 3's interface? It is so WoW-themed it is rediculous. I wish they would retain the original interface. However I am happy they are retaining the look and feel of Diablo.
The interface in WoW along with much of the game comes from Diablo. Not the other way around. Skill trees in WoW come from Diablo, the ! over a persons head for quests comes from Diablo.Repair system comes from Diablo. All they took from WoW was the 10 button hotkey system. Everything else already belonged to Diablo.
If the isometric camera is the only thing you people are squabbling about, then I really have to question your good, reasonable (pre)judgement--about a game you and I know next to nothing about except for the fact that it uses traditional 3D third-person and first-person cameras.
Oh the irony .... It's quite he opposite in my case , i'm quite dissapointed by fallout 3 (not really by bethesda , already used to it) Those idiots would turn everything into daggerfall/morrowind/oblivion , but they speak about conservatism ? Do you even wonder what they would with the mario franchise ? A fps rpg ...
After Oblivion was released which dumbed down the Franchise to nothing i really have been a hater of the company.
Well luckily I had the half assed pc port of Oblivion so I could mod it, there are some fantastic mods out there that make the game more like the originals, like removing the horrible horrible leveling up system (what's the point of leveling up when everything levels up with you?) and fixing AI and adding a few cool new features, I haven't touched 360 Oblivion in a while though, yep I think we can all call bethesda the "franchise ruiners" from now on, because in stead of developing an isometric Fallout and releasing it as a PC exclusive, they decided to do much like Oblivion and whore out to the consoles, and for some reason when a developer puts something on a console, he for some reason, decides the dumb down the gameplay and simplify everything.
ditto to what you said Mep
Blown out of proportion. He says he is disappointed with Blizzard for keep a traditional design with Diablo and Starcraft. He is not saying he is disappointed with Diablo nor is he comparing it to Fallout. In fact, Fallout isn't mentioned one single time in the quote. I think what he is saying is reasonable and make sense. Deep down inside, we all want to see innovation in the games we play, but sometimes when they don't change much we still love them for staying true to the old school design that has a habit for stirring up good old memories. I can see from the quote that, like many of us, he loves Blizzards games unconditionally.
... he also goes on to praise Blizzard and also goes on to say that "Blizzard is the top of the class when it comes to game development - nobody does it better." A very misleading title serving to provoke a reaction by the people that read the attention grabbing headlines only.
I love how easy it is to get news from the internet, but at the same time I hate how easy it is for these writers and webmasters to get hits by overselling the articles with misleading titles such as these. One could never get away with misquoting someone this badly on TV or Radio.
...is that people continue to come out in droves to defend Blizzard saying that Fallout 3 will fail and Diablo 3 will previal and yet neither game has been released. How many games have come out in the last 12 months that have failed? You'd think some people would learn to just hold their opinion until they have something real to base it on. There have been few to games this gen that have actually impressed me as they are nothing but more polished versions of previous releases and offer nothing new. A prime example of this is Devil May Cry 4. Slick visuals but nothing new in the gameplay stakes. For me, I will wait to see how both Fallout and Diablo play when they are released before I judge either.
Fallout > Diablo. There is no comparison IMO. But unfortunately Midway is out of the picture so the series could go to crap.
But again problem is they arent innovating . From what we've seen so far they are stripping fallout of some feature and basically tweaking oblivion to feature it's guns and universe ...
Diablo 3 is still stuck in the past. Thats what this guy point is.
What about Square Enix still making turn based RPGs? Are they still stuck in the past? And what about Id creating those Quake games? I guess they are getting nowhere... being "stuck in the past". It's what made Diablo big that Blizzard is sticking with. Keep it Isometric, but implement some innovative features to keep the player satisfied. That's one of the reason of what gaming SHOULD be about, making the player come back for more. And apperently, Blizzard has had a better time doing that than Bethesda. Even when they are "stuck in the past" ;)
Keeping Isometric is the best thing for Diablo. Same could be said about Fallout. Keeping it isometric would had been the best thing you can do. I lost my fanboyism for them when they made the INSULT of a game called Oblivion. Oblivion is a damn INSULT to all Morrowind fans like me. And I completely lost my fanboyism for them when they said Fallout 3 is gonna be FPS. Will I buy FO3? Yes because I love fallouts, but my excepations are very low to it because its more mainstream bullcrap like Oblivion then a real Fallout. Why Fallout 3 will suck (For people who love the series) 1. Not Isometric 2. Not Isometric 3. Not Isometric 4. Not Isometric 5. Not Isometric
I absolutly agree with you my friend. They insulted Morrowind fans by Obliv. As for Fallout 3, I wasn't feeling really bad until I recently saw Diablo 3 in all of its isometric glory and after that, I just couldn't be interested much in the FPS Fallout that Bethesda has made. As another great member said, it should have been called Fallout: East or Fallout FPS. As for those reasons, I have 2 more to add: 6. Not isometric. 7. Not isometric.
That's Ashley Cheng in the picture. Oh, and he wanted Starcraft 2 to be a first person game. See the update in the post for proof.
i think there is a little somebody out there going around saying; Hey, wouldn't it be a great idea if we get the devs to have little wars between themselves, just to add a bit of spark to the community ! right lets start match making, tri vs Gbox, Bungie vs FeeR, etc...
I still don't understand why they've made what is clearly a game designed for consoles and they're not planning on releasing it on any!
both games are getting overhyped, everybody is talking about them like they give a sh!t and it probably wont reflect sales. Every damn sequel to a good game is getting a insane amount of hype these days.
thats because there is hardley any new, interesting IPs to look forward to. its not so much they are getting over hyped. its the age old problem of sequals not meeting up with the originals. A great game comes out, you expect the sequal to expand on its greatness. a lot of games now are just going backwards and rather then expanding they are taking away all the things that made the first game great.
I think I'm the one who is disappointed with Fallout 3. This guy Ashley Cheng (or gal ? It's very ridiculious for a guy with the name of Ashley) and his/her mates are ruining Fallout for making the 3rd installment of the game a Oblivion-Clone !
Diablo 3 is PC only so far...Fallout 3 will be out of xbox 360 and PS3 and PC...and it story is way better than diablo....but diablo will be so addictive like world of warcrack and starcrack 2... They need to make starcraft 2 for the consoles...(ie xbox 360 and PS3)
i think diablo's story is better, and making a game a pc exclusive doesn't in any way make it worse. maybe it will hurt overall sales, but it doesn't make the game worse in any way. and blizzard knows how to do it right, they make it so many pcs can run their games, unlike the other ignorant companies that basically require you to have a 2 or 3 thousand dollar computer, which most people don't have.
no fangirls do no deserve playing Diablo and Starcraft.
lol are you on crack ? What's the correlation between fallout being on consoles and its quality ? One could even argue , anyway , if falling into that pit , that consoles versions made devs dumb down their pc rpgs , for good and bad reasons . And no Starcraft 2 does not "need" consoles versions . Only players wishing for it would . It sold an amount that not even GTA could touch , while only being on pc (crappy non selling consoles ports dont count) . With gaming even more popular than back then , SC2 could even explode it's score within the first days .
after all the old school fallout fans were in an uproar over the new direction their going with fallout 3, he tries to talk down about blizzard making a game for their fans with diablo 3 and starcraft 2. well, we'll see who completely dominates who in sales, even though fallout if multiplatform. diablo staying the course, instead of taking the easy fps way out had me running through the streets in celebration.
yeah. they are being conservative to take care of their old fans. not like bathesda that is enraging fallout hardcore fans.
Im disapointed with Fallout 3's producer being disapointed with Diablo III. What a disapointment. :P
I'm sure Blizzard's employees are crying themselves to sleep at night because Ashley Cheng doesn't approve of their games. It is noteworthy that they're crying into pillows stuffed with money, which are placed on a bed stuffed with money, which is located in a house built of money encased in diamonds and gold. Yeah, it's not a pretty house, but it sure gets the point across. :P
Your point...? That making money is better than making good games? I'm confused...
Actually i believe he is pissed off that a company as great as Blizzard doesn't fall victim to fashion and use 1st person cam and super-duper 3D graphics to make Diablo 3, BUT decided to make it a TRUE sequel and keep the core gameplay intact while expanding it into the future. Isometric is not dead. And Blizzard will show it to them, so they can understand their idiocy in completely destroying the fallout series and making it into a s.t.a.l.k.e.r + oblivion game.
games will be good but lets face it, FALLOUT 3 isnt the fallout I know and Love. Diablo III is!
Diablo 3 might be more addictive but Fallout 3 will have a much better story and character progression. Diablo has an always will be a boring clickfest for loot, nothing more. Entertaining when I was 12 maybe, but I actually want something more out of a game than pretty looking loot, and it honestly isn't that pretty. Other than the destructible environments, it looks exactly the same as Diablo 2 with a higher resolution. And as it was stated, there will be even MORE mouse clicking in this Diablo. These games require no skill or thought, just pointless clicking...yawn. And honestly, saving Deckard Cain AGAIN? Isn't that guy dead yet? Same boring Barbarian as before? Only 5 classes? And the new one is just a mishmash of WoW classes. Diablo 3 is more of the exact same thing. If some people want that, go right ahead, you're welcome to it. I'm looking much more forward to Fallout 3. The concept is much more interesting to me, the story will be as well, and the style of game it is hasn't really been done before. Who cares if it's not the "old Fallout"? Just pretend it has a different name and it's its own game. I'm sure it will be amazing on its own.
that's an awful lot of opinion there. fact is, most people who played Diablo know that it's anything but boring. Having more plot doesn't inherently make a game better either. Ultimately you're intitled to your opinion of course, but recognize that nearly all of the people who played D1 and D2 don't share it.
I dont see how you can claim that , seeing how diablo 2 had more plot than oblivion . Bethesda titles strength arent really the story , but their open world where you can (in appearance) do whtaver you want ... wich usually translate in bethesda's case by the interesting plots being locked away in library books , and you not really following a main quest that sucks , but dwelling in caves and hoter quests . D2 actually had a lot of dialogues and plot for a game of his genre , and did more than just a meager intro cinematic .
perhaps plot wasn't the correct word. Yes diablo 2 had a strong main plot but there were only 6 objectives per act whereas Oblivion has dozens of sidequests in every town and entire career paths to progress down. My main point, i guess, is that I didn't mind not having hundreds of quests in D2, and I never found it to be a boring game.
I played Diablo 1 and 2 religiously when I was younger. I'm not saying Bethesda is great at everything either. In fact if I had to vote which was better, I'd pick a third option. No one really plays Diablo for its story. It's a dungeon crawler loot fest, Blizzard even says so themselves. My point was that Diablo 3 by the looks of it does not vary at ALL from the previous games other than the destructable environments and a SLIGHT graphics upgrade. It's a single player MMO, a grindfest for loot with no skill in pulling off any moves, just a click of a mouse key like any MMO, except with a lot less of the side content. This is going to be a simpler version of WoW with an isometric view. I'm not saying it's not fun, or that it's boring, I'm saying that Bethesda games are typically a lot "deeper".
he is probably going to apologize in a day or two like the call of duty guy
I couldn't be happier that Blizz is keeping the old perspective and gameplay style: in fact that's the reason I'm looking forward to D3 way more than F3.