Gears of War 2: More Emotionally Affecting than Bioshock

Big Claims for Gears of War, could it be that the story has finally improved. Will it step up to the plate and confront Resistance 2 in its greatest fortress.
"Beyond it," Ferro says. "I said it. It's going to be more emotionally effecting than Bioshock. A lot happens."

[name]

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[Rikitatsu]

Epic what a joke !

they also said UT3 is better looking the gears ...

The story is apparently going to be as generic as the other bald space marines games lol

[iamtehpwn]

So Gears of War 2 should be taken with half a grain of Salt?

[mikeslemonade]

These guys must be the next Dennis Dyacks. Stop hyping the game and let the game speak for itself.

[Halochampian]

I dont think the voice actor counts as EPIC. So I dont think you should be blaming Epic for this statement.

[Ghoul]

hahahah

best joke of the week
"emotionally affecting" GEARS ??? i didnt even recognised a story in part one.

quote below:
"when there is not a single promo or interview from MGS4 or Resistance2 talking bad about any other games but GeoW2 promo seems to live on dissing other's! it's like what they talk all day - saying that their's is the best!!"

very true man im really sick at bashing others to gain hype....

[TheHater]

you guys stated that UT3 will have a story. That wasn't much of a story. In fact is was beyond boring and lame. Guess I will just have to play it when it comes out and see for myself.

[SolidSnake93]

I hope that they can make a turnaround from the awful story in Gears 1 heres to optimism.

[badz149]

when there is not a single promo or interview from MGS4 or Resistance2 talking bad about any other games but GeoW2 promo seems to live on dissing other's! it's like what they talk all day - saying that their's is the best!!

what are they afraid of over there at Epic? it seems like they can't sleep at night without dissing other games in their every sentence! if your game is really that great, just let it speak for itself! there is not even a slice of humble pie over there at their studio and I hate arrogant people!

I hate arrogant people and I hate their games as well! I know hate is a strong word but I still stand by my words!

[chidj2]

r they pissed because bioshock its now multi?

[Condoleezza Rice]

It was more of a great story with a clever twist,not much that affects you emotionally.

[gambare]

Emotionally affecting? Metal Gear Solid 4. Agreed Bioshock was deep but not Emotionally affecting

[vickers500]

Are you serious? You must be a robot, because BioShock was the most emotionally effecting of any game I have ever played.

[gambare]

well.. the most emotionally effecting game I've ever played was Final Fantasy 6, for many others was FFVII with the Aeris stuff, but I saw Bioshock obscure, the good ending was comfortable.

[Condoleezza Rice]

Just a side question,when did you start gaming?

[vickers500]

Around the playstation/n64 days. MGS4 was alright, but it didn't leave me feeling anything afterward. The most overhyped game of all time.

[joeymoey]

Exactly how was Bioshock emo?

[efjio17]

seriously, when is this hype EVER going to end?? EPIC is digging themselves into a hole by throwing out all of these phrases and claims. If the release is less than what they told us to expect, they'll be in deep sh*t.

[Skerj]

Wonder if they hired some people who could write a story and script finally. Because the Epic I know from Jazz Jackrabbit, to Unreal, to Unreal Tournament, to Gears sucked at it. Excellent gameplay though, just nothing really compelling on the storyline side of things, but no one ever said people couldn't change so we'll see how things pan out.

[Superfragilistic]

Well if he meant narrative depth and interest and he's not completely full of the BS I'm cynically suspecting, then Gears 2 just went up a notch in the potential GoTY ladder.

[Bolts]

More "emotional affecting" than Bioshock, and "a lot happens" LMAO!!! Wow, this game is going to be deep. Guess I'm gonna run out of ammo then weep openly or something.

[ElementX]

"Finally improved"?? what's that supposed to mean? There was only one previous title.

[OJ_juice]

Marcus: "No!!! BILL!!!"
*goes on killing in rampage until end of game* THE END

Player: WTF??!!!

[wetowel]

wow epic... way to take gears of war 2 down a couple of notches... I want badass gun fights and explosions. Not emo crap.

[Harry190]

by making me laugh till I explode upon reading this 'headline',Epic has succeeded. Someone call the doctor quick...I'm dying....must be from laughing.

Picture Marcus Phenix/Fenix in a Richard 3 remake:

''Steroids,Steroids,my chainsaw for a shot of steroids.''

That would be the climax.Pure Shakespearean tragedy.

No seriously,the game is going to be great,but there is a limit to talking crap.

Epic dammit,where is the decent 'story' in Unreal Tournament 3? I'm still waiting.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Please! Don't compare Resistance to the masterpiece that is Gears of War. The game has proven itself with massive sales, great reviews and GOTY.

Resistance has done nothing.

[Isaac]

Resistance has a better storyline than Halo and Gears, Resistance has better multiplayer than Halo 2, and its campaign is longer than both combined. I will concede that Gears looks a lot better and that people weren't used to playing that much action with 3rd person shooters because the ones before were more tactical and this game is basically insane. However, why can't you jump? That is retarded. Now that Gears of War 1 is old news, Gears 2 will not be as big as the first one given it's pretty similar.

Oh, and yes, Gears of War sold more than Resistance, Xbox 360 also had achievements back then and was about 7 million consoles ahead of PS3 which was barely starting then. Resistance was also a game rushed to launch unlike its sequel. Besides, Insomniac has an overall better record than Epic. Epic is a middleware tech company more than a game company, Unreal games were never meant to be great, they're simply made to sell the engine. Gears simply hit the jackpot because they managed to do something original, which was a third person shooter. Gears got better reviews and sales because of hype, achievements, install base, and innovation, not because of overall better quality or production values. The production values in resistance are insane.

They are also hard to compare. For example, I can't tell you if Gears or Resistance is better as far as campaign gameplay or multiplayer goes, since they are different; resistance has lots of things happening because it is an FPS, and Gears is more tactical (but more action oriented than most tactical third person shooters). That is why I said Resistance is "longer", which to me matters more than graphics. However, the next resistance will have much better tech than the first in pretty much every way, it has more install base to sell to, it is aiming to innovate a lot, it is getting half as hyped as gears 2 (which is a lot), and it will be compatible with the new PSN features including Home.

So be prepared for massive competition unlike the first time.

[juuken]

Gears of War is a masterpiece?
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*falls over laughing*

[n4gzz]

Not that i don't like gears but sell don't reflect quality. Otherwise, you need to quit playing gears and play nintendo dog.

[Isaac]

Gears 2 looks just like what you would expect from a Gears 1 with minor updates. Just get done with the game already, Gears was great because it was the first graphically "next-gen" games we got to enjoy and because it was a bloodbath, not because it was for emo losers and because it tried to kill other games.

Whenever any developer compares itself to another game, it sets itself up for failure and that is what they're doing. The first gears was great because it was unique by making better a lot of things we saw on previous games like Killswitch and Resident Evil 4, not because it aimed to do so.

Epic Games = Epic Joke, Epic fail.

[BOSSMK XXIII]

Marcus Fenix: Sh*t!F*ck! My best friend died! F*ck! -- you're supposed to be emotionally struck now! F*ck!Sh*t!

[ChrisGTR1]

ok thats just bs. unless dom dies or something then he pprolly is saying the truth. i wish marcus would die instead though hes so retarded looking lol. make cole the main character

[Skerj]

God no, Cole is horrible and he rarely shut the hell up with the dumb things he's saying. I vote Kim returns to be the main character later, hell if Carmine can be brought back how come Kim can't?

[ChrisGTR1]

thats why it would be cool. all the random one liners are awesome.that train noise he does is the best.

[Vicophine]

COLETRAIN BABY!! WOOO :D

[beavis4play]

cole is the man. h*ll yea, make him the lead character; he's got personality. i don't like marcus and his 5 or 6 curse word vocabulary

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Ok people who don't read the story. This is coming from the voice actor that played Dom. This is not coming from Epic themselves.

The main complaint about Gears 1 was the poor story in the campaign and now someone close to the project is saying that the story will be deep and it's all "shut-up Epic".

I mean how dare the people who are working on this brag about it and actually try and create demand for their game and ease anyones fear that the game will have a weak story.

If the game is going to have the kickass gameplay with a great story attached to it then count me in.

[Vicophine]

They should just shut up right now. Dissing on MGS4, now hyping their own game beyond Resistance 2 and putting it ahead of Bioshock. Please, have some humble pie and look at a better developer than you Epic (Insomniac).

So when Carmine died in the first Gears, you were supposed to be emotionally affected? Yeah right...he got BOOM HEADSHOT.

EDIT- I don't care what platform they develop form, they're talking this much sh!t and trashing all these devs. they deserves to be knocked down a few pegs.

[djtek184]

More emotionally gayer. Queers at War 2

[ICUP]

Queers at War 2?

[Deadman64]

queers of war 2??
http://images.gamersyde.com...

[Dark General]

I have to say i would have really been more intrigued if it would have been "Gears of War 2 more emotionally attached than MGS4". Now that would have turned more heads.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Probably because it wouldn't mean as much. MGS4 has deep meaning to those who have played the whole series. Newcomers are like WTF is a Liquid? Are these people zombies? How come you can stab each other a million times and they don't die, why are people constantly injecting themselves with cyringes all the time? etc. etc etc. Not to take away from MGS4 as a story because it is epic but I think Bioshock has a great narrative all wrapped up in a nice tight package while it's taken MGS 20 years to get it all flushed out.

Also, it would require hours of cut-scenes to explain it all. Sorry, I love a good story but I am wanting to play the game not watch it.

@15.2: I've said it already many times when you did hit gameplay it was pure Gold and yes the cut-scenes are long(I love to rag on that) but they are brilliantly done and emotionally charged.

[Dark General]

But i'm saying for me (and others) to have been more surprised would have been a comparison to MGS4's story. Hell even MGS3's story was fantastic and that was the first mgs game i played and i felt a connection to the characters. But BIOSHOCK is a nice comparison for a emotionally connected storyline.

*Laughs my ass off* Yes there was alot of cutscenes but they were awesome and told (in my opinion) one of the best stories ever. Also there's alot of gameplay to be had took me 27 hours to beat it my first time around.

[meepmoopmeep]

Mark Rein has publicly stated that due to the popularity of oiled up, shiny, grunting men of the first Gears of War, scientific statistics have proven fact that the homosexual Xbox 360 populace has risen at an astronomical rate. GeoW fans have now dubbed the smash hit Queers of War.

Now that the 5 million fans have come to understand their feminine side due to the Queers of War phenomenon, Epic has decided to make the non-existent story of part one to cater to the fans and help further their feminine evolution by adding an emotional love story between protagonists Marcus and Dom where they will reveal their true feelings for each other amidst the battlefield.

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[highps3]

They started way to early with marketing. Keep building the hype train.

[meepmoopmeep]

i'm glad that they are putting a lot of effort on the storyline of the game and hope they can get a really good one to carry on for future sequels.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

it's because they hired a new script writer for gears2.

[Pedobear]

I know because I remember loling at the same title.

[Says you]

In the Story department keep dreaming Epic! and plus there games are just mostly upgrades there just going to milk the series like Unreal Tournament series.

[ngg12345]

hot!

[poeo]

totally off-topic but..

i love how people even here use the word "emo" without knowing what it is or was.

a freaking game can't be "emo". it's just a subgenre of hardcore punk music that i and many others have been listening to since the 80s (yes it's an old genre and nothing on mtv is emo). just because it's suddenly a trendy word, doesn't mean... ohh f*ck i give up, go on rape the word some more kids.

[meepmoopmeep]

you do know emo stands for emotional as well right? not just the subculture?

i'm emo, i write deep emotional poetry,
i just don't dress like them, kiss other boys or cause harm to myself.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

he believed he lost his wife and child on EMERGENCE DAY, in this new instalment he stumbles upon some leads on his missing family's current where a bouts.

you also catch wind of the new story on the trailer called DUEL.

[Big Jim]

Its almost impossible for a story to be emotinally affecting when the main characters are the same old cookie cutter, generic, space marine BS that we've seen a thousand times in a thousand different games. At this point, the story couldn't possibly be emotionally affecting unless they introduced an entirely new set of characters. Even if marcus and cole and all those guys end up shooting themselves I wouldn't care because they're so shallow and one dimensional. Just forget the story and improve the draw distance.

[beavis4play]

very well said.

[Covenant]

If you say so...

But Bioshock's more emotional moments...the plight of the little sisters, the confrontation with Andrew Ryan, the "good" ending, with its nice twist...will be damned hard to top.

Besides, Gears' appeal lies in its thick layers of testosterone and blood and guts, and not how many tissues you go through.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Sorry but the Halo story is far superior to Resistance. I suggest you read the novels if you want to know more about the story beyond what the games represent.

I wonder who is gettin more play time these days Halo or Resistance or Gears? I would guess Halo just look at Bungie.net and hundreds of thousands of games hosted a day.

You bring up some great points that are very fair and balanced. Like I said earlier if there was a story involved in Resistance I missed it because the mediocre gameplay bored me before I could even get into it.

I will definately give you that it was a launch title and it was rushed but it just doesn't stack up to Gears. If you want to play psychic and try and see the future be my guest, but my comments are based on what we've already played and we haven't played Gears 2 or R2.

WTF is up with N4G today. This was meant to be a reply to Isaac.

@below: OK, now that was funny! Touche!

[meepmoopmeep]

yeah, but you forgot that the statistics say that xbox owners read.
ps3 owners play board games and are over 40 yrs old.

:P

[Isaac]

I don't know why the hell you consider Halo's storyline good, it's pretty childish (colors and english speaking aliens unlike resistance which has a gritty art direction and enemies that don't communicate with you) and cliched (futuristic game with aliens versus a game set little after WW2 era with an alien twist; not as cliched IMHO, kinda similar to Bioshock in the timeline).

Halo never gives you the sense of hopelessness that Resistance does. In Halo you can actually communicate with the enemy, why the hell do they even speak the same language? They're alien for god's sake. And I absolutely hate Halo's art style, it is too cartoony. It is just not for me. I think that the grittiest enemies I saw in Halo are "the flood" and they never made me feel any chills on my spine.

On the other hand, the crawlers, the hybrid, the Widowmakers, the angels... they don't even speak "human", they are truly what *alien* should mean, strange, not understandable, beyond human comprehension, unlike the covenant, which is kinda silly. I hate the guys that look like wookies. I mean seriously... why is it even M-rated? The novels might be good, but we're talking about games here, and Resistance didn't need a novel to make a case for its story.

I also don't know why you found resistance to be boring if you loved Halo so much. Resistance and halo are relatively similar except resistance has more explosive weapons and is scarier. So as I say below, I presume you simply judged the game by its relatively poor introductory level.

I sent you this on PM:

I recognize you sometimes have intelligent things to say unlike your comrades and I admit I sometimes let my inner Sony Zealot take over. I know what you are saying about resistance 1, I actually regreted buying resistance the first level I played which is probably what happened to you. However, after the first level things get very interesting, I absolutely loved the storyline. Ironically I barely finished it, and I thought it was very intense and that the production values are extremely high considering all the research they did. The guns are awesome and each actually has a purpose on the campaign, which is not what I felt when I played Halo 2's campaign, which to me is sad, since Bungie could have simply sold the multiplayer experience.

However, I was disappointed by the lack of significant bosses and perhaps innovation on the first resistance, but the next one sounds like it will address all the issues of the first and might just become the definitive shooter; Halo 3 beat the first Resistance (that beat the second halo) on multiplayer because of its community features, but COD4 got better than Halo 3, and that's not bad since that is how the industry works anyway. I just hope Resistance 2 will be as good as it sounds. I don't doubt Gears 2 will be huge, but when Epic says "bigger, better, badass, bioshock that, metal gear slow" I can't help myself except by shunning them since Gears 1 was great because of its original and improved gameplay, graphics and community features, not because it had a good storyline or because it revolutionized the industry.

The sad thing is that I do see a lot of comparisons and fanboy wars in the future between Resistance 2 and Gears 2 even though both will be very different games with different things to offer and both will be worth your money. Resistance 2 will be one of the best first person shooters and I don't doubt Gears 2 will be one of the best third person shooters. Is it possible that Gears 2 will outsell Resistance 2? If it Gears 2 sells 6 million and Res 2 sells "only" 4, who cares? If Gears 2 gets a 9.4 in metacritic and Resistance 2 gets a 9.1, who cares? In the end it's about personal preference, not about what you think someone else should do with their money because of what is selling better or getting better subjective yet not directly comparable scores.

[meepmoopmeep]

Halo 1 had an awesome story. that's where it ended though, for me. after playing Halo 2 it was like i was replaying Halo 1 with a worse story. I didn't want to finish the fight after Halo 2. neither did a few of my other Halo fan friends.

[biggamerhk]

yeah whatever you say, Epic.

[n00bzRtehgey]

plz leave story out of my game. if I want a story, I'll watch MGS or a blue ray movie.

gears 1 had no story because it didn't need one. nuff said.

[pwnsause]

wow this is coming from a guy that has noob stamped on Kutaragi's head, a man that has been in the gaming industry for more than 20 years. we are really going to listen to you now...Right.....

[poeo]

no.. emo does not stand for emotional, it stands for "emotional hardcore". AND it was originally a joke, it was never meant to be taken seriously!

"emo" only stands for emotional to you and other ignorant people who suddenly decided that it does, when in fact the term has existed a loooong time in punk music culture (and it has always been a joke term, since day 1 when someone yelled it out at a Rites Of Spring concert)

[meepmoopmeep]

well, it does now whether or not it deviated from the original. if you go around and ask random people what emo meant, they'd say emotional.

calm down, i wouldn't want you to throw yourself over the balcony or something. whether or not that's the root of it, now is the present time and that's what the term emo is, whether you like it or not.

[Arduen]

Emo does not "stand" for emotionally hardcore either. The word "stand" was first used in the slang to imply that one term was equivalent to another during a Fendley Bros Big Time Bandstand Concert in the 1920's when a young man yelled out, "This Bandstand's for the birds". He was mistakenly understood to have said, "This Band stands for the birds"--largely attributed to the fact that either a large number of pigeons were in attendance or perhaps a less likely explanation posited that various time traveling fans of "The Byrds" were around to overhear his exclamation. Whatever the case, the slang held from that day on. It may not have started out that way, but the popular meanings of many words change as society uses them. Go figure.

Also, for all intents and purposes emo could mean emotionally harcore or just emotional depending on who uses/reads it. So, you're both right. :p

[pwnsause]

i know gears 2 is going to be awesome and all, but saying this, I LOLED!!!

[WIIIS1]

Is excitement an emotion? Is exhilaration an emotion? Is fear an emotion?

Are emotions only brought out by soppy longwinded stories?

[TheDesperado]

More emotionally affecting than Bioshock('s sh!t) maybe, but Cliffy and his pals couldn't write their way out of a paper bag.

Holy sh!t. What arrogance, what REVOLTING RUBBISH! I hope their game crashes and burns because of this comment. Better than Bioshock? It won't even match Resistance 1, let alone 2!

[Big Jim]

Cliffy and pals didn't write this. They hired some hack professional writer to do it.

[KidMakeshift]

None of those were emotionally or morally affecting nor will there sequels be.

Bioshock had good atmosphere that became somewhat lackluster after the first 10 hrs. Plus, I think you played a midget because he was completely improportionate to his environment. Gears of War looked good when it came out, but is now condemned for starting a "unreal engine" cloning trend. Resistance was just okay. It felt lacking visually and quite empty.

Who actually thinks there's anything deep to these games?

[Millah]

Does this quote deserve the "b1tch please" award?

[beavis4play]

shouldn't cliff be saying "bigger, better, and more emotionally affecting" ? lol

and if it is "more emotionally affecting"...does that mean that the unicorns are in this time?

[juuken]

...A lot happens like what?
Lol...they'll have to convince me of that because unless they can fit a 300ft monster in the game...they got nothin'.

[n00bzRtehgey]

actually, there will be new and bigger bosses, JEWKIN!

[juuken]

Oh give it a rest n00bie.

[n4gzz]

well its good to have good story but i am sold with just gameplay.

[multipayer]

more giblets = more emotional

but microsoft game studio should be able to pour money into a few cut scenes this time around.

[zer0man1]

I predict the story in Gears 2 will be just as boring as the first.

[level 360]

Definitely the "most emotionally affecting" bit was a tad too much to promote or is it more looking like they were begging/would suck up to anything/blow down their enormous egos just to make a movie deal with New Line Cinemas?
Though the first Gears and this up-coming installment does'nt have any problems because it did/will deliver the hype and has a totally awesome game playability plus it does speak for itself, but I don't know about the guys behind them who are really more looking like puppy dogs.

[Strife Lives]

Was what I expected.It wasnt a Mass Effect,Final fantasy 7,8,10. But,it was what it was,and I liked the way it tied into the action. If they make it better,good for us.as long as the game is longer.sure. Its already bigger ,better ,more badass than GeOW1 lol

[JokesOnYou]

the game won't be anywhere near as emotionally gripping as Bioshock, that game did it better than any game on ps3 or 360 imo, but Gears2 doesn't need to be better than Bioshock in that regard no its a fckn testorone filled shooter, i.e. kill the damm Locusts as cold an as brutal as possible= ha ha do I really need to know what the Locust eat for breakfast? I'll probably end up on the dinner menu if I thought about it too long. So really lets in reality all Gears2 needs is a "better" story that adds a little more depth than the first, because Gears is world famous for its graphics/gameplay, thats where Gears2 will succeed or fail, so far from what I have seen there is no doubt in my mind Gears2 will deliver where it counts= gameplay thats tops the original.

If these same comments came from a guy involved with a ps3 exclusive it would have been a few comments like "wow, sony really does have great voice acting talent in their games" no big deal and everybody would have moved on. Obviously this voice actor is just excited about his role in the game and for that sony folks are bashing Cliffy/Epic, ha ha I remember when Epic had lots of love because of UT3, now the sdf has issued orders to place their name back on the sony folks most *wanted, errr ahhh I mean hated list.....lmfao, "welcome back to the darkside Epic, kick up your feet 'n make yourself comfortable."

JOY

[power of Green]

They have been acting up for some reason 360 fans are getting 10 to 30 dissagrees and reported and removed by the mods when the PS3 fans are clearly trolling.

The only thing I can think of is E3 must be making them nervous.

I also forgot Cliffy is now hated even worse than he was before not catering to PS3 but with Cliffy commenting on MGS4 this also must be the reason for this out of control trolling.

[dragunrising]

It was hard to develop an emotional attachment to players like Dom that always died. It was a chore to revive him every other minute you played with him. If they improve some of the AI co-op, and make him better at holding his own, that is a one step improvement itself. I speculate that they DO improve the AI and Dom becomes a character you don't want to murder anymore. Also, probrably has a connection with Dom's MIA wife.

Speaking of M.I.A...has anyone seen the "soon to be official dance" Paper Planes video. Based off the Paper Planes song from upcoming movie Pineapple Express.
Here's the link, hillarious.

[Rhezin]

YOU MIGHT LIKE RESISTANCE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY DOESN'T LOOK AT SLAES FIGURES YOU RETARD.

[Matpan]

There is no real need for a story as compelling as that in bioshock. They are different genres (similar indeed, but different nontheless) and each holds up extremely well by their own.

It´s like a roumor stating that the next Rambo will have a much more heart-touching story than that of "I am Sam".

Bigger, Better and more Bad ass... no need for a shakespearian plot development. Just throw enemied at the player and make it a bloodbath!! :D

GeoW2 FTW! :)

[felidae]

wow. Bioshock is still the best game i've played in the so called "next generation"

[FKN Unbelievable]

Gears of War was action game in it finest hour with a Decent Storyline. The Story moves a cool pace that did'nt derail you from the action like Say a MGS4. Disagree all you want but this is how i want my Harcore action games. Last i checked the Hulk was'nt big on story be the action scenes is what sold the story.

Resistance story is no different that a fuking B-Movie so please enough with the bullsh1t already. Gears 2 is going Smash on this sh1t like it stole something. Here's praying that sony Advertise this game and pulls out all of the stops because last i check Gears smash on Resistance with the Commercial alone that help a certain song go platinum.

Now after going back and play Campaign on Gears of War that sh1t flowed effortlessly and it was'nt all over the place Like MGS4 (Every 30 sec referencing flashbacks.),Yeah A real fuking movie with gameplay cutscenes (Not to mentioned it borrow heavily from Gears cause Kojima even praise Gears for its horror movie presentation.).

Now with all this b1tching and complaining about story in Campaign mode Epic is going to pull a Spider-Man 3 us and turn it into a love story for Dom and Maria since you F@ggot-@ss Emo gamers b1tched about a story fuking whiners, What do you care about a Xbox 360 games you Dudes own PS3's right?

Get Prepared For Re-Emergence Day!!!!