The PS4 has won the war already. This is one debate to end all debate. Knight Writer writes: "Both consoles sold a million units in 24 hours on launch. Microsoft went back on their ridiculous DRM policies but it was already too late".
In sales? Yes . The games are rubbish tho Edit: the ps4 got cellphone games LOL
You stealth edited your part - "PS4 has cellphone games LOL". Higher Metacritic average, and more games.. Look it up. LOL
More games? Besides indie titles, please explain the "more games?"
Funny enough, lots of the best games this gen ARE indies... AAA games became incredibly predictable and derivative. It annoyed me at first, but they are saving this gen so far. About the needed explanation, indie games are games. Enough said. - PS: How the hell a stupid article like this get approved? And why the F am I commenting on such a dumb/childish "debate"?
@Pontiac - Will do. Final Fantasy 14, MLB The Show, TLOU, Second Son, First Light, DriveClub, Bound by Flame, MotoGP 14, MXGP 14, Samurai Warriors, Dynasty Warriors, Air Conflicts Vietnam, LBP3, Guilty Gear, War Thunder are all games released this year not on X1. None are indie games either.
@soapshoes Ff is garbage. Tlou is not an exclusive and is almost 2 years old Second son actuallylooks cool but people sseemed to not care about that game real quick. First light? Isn'tthat dlc. Lol drive club. Lol indies. And guilty gear will obviously be good
@Souldestroyer None of those are indies and you logic is horrible. If TLOU isn't exclusive then neither is Forza Horizon 2, Super Smash Bros, or MCC. FF got several awards for best RPG and MMO. First Light has a physical release. You are moving the goalpost so much it's comical.
@souldestroyer: So you are saying that The last of us is not exclusive because its on ps3 too, so lets see.. Forza horizon 2, its not exclusive because is on both consoles, ryse not exclusive because is also on pc, Titan Fall and Dead Rising too.. And the upcoming Halo collection is also like the Last of Us, but with even "older" games as you called the Last of us old and not exclusive. According to you, its Sunset Overdrive and Forza the exclusives that you have on x-box one untill the next year?
Even if you exclude indies(by which I guess you mean download only), the PS4 still has more retail releases on their system. Funny no matter how you try to twist the numbers it always comes out with the PS4 has more games. The only time I see people say otherwise is when they just want to say it enough to make it true, or they purposefully leave out releases on the PS4. Truth hurts, but has the "no games" argument actually ever worked in the console wars?
Oops I missed Natural Doctrine, Akibas Trip 2, and Sing star in that list too. Prob missed a few others too not sure.
"The games are rubbish tho" You may not personally like them but PS4 has the better reviewed lineup. OT - This "war" is a long way from over, but PS4 is dominating thus far, no doubt.
Outside of TLOU (which is a remake), tell me what other PS4 games are getting awesome reviews? Killzone? Driveclub? Infmaous? I think Knack has the best score. Driveclub is basically broken. And I'm not talking indie games. Compare those scores to Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Forza 5, Forza Horizon 2, Dead Rising, and the X1 crushes it.
@Pontiac - Games are games. I remember last generation when smaller downloadable games were a legitimate bragging point for 360. Suddenly those games don't count anymore. I wonder why that is? You guys are like FOX News, CNN, and MSNBC, cherry picking facts to support your talking points. I play Driveclub everyday. It's not "basically broken". Skyrim was in worse shape when it launched and Bethesda got a Developer of the Year award.
He can't personally like them - he doesn't actually own a PS4. I do agree that it's not over till it's over, but in this case, saying the PS4 won is probably a sure fire thing. Without EU and JP, Microsoft will never beat Sony. Just my take on the market and what history can, sometimes, dictate.
"You guys are like FOX News, CNN, and MSNBC, cherry picking facts to support your talking points. " LOL, I can't help but laugh at this self admission post. OT, I don't recall many X360 owners bragging about indies..there were some in the beginning like Castle Crasher and Braid but it is mostly about big hitters like Gears of War, Halo mixed in with some cult hits like Crackdown and Lost Oddessey. I would know because I owned all the consoles and buy lots of games unlike most people here.
@No_Limit - I can't help but laugh at your attempt to downplay what I said when you know it's true, though it doesn't just apply to XB fanboys. Having the disposable income to buy every system doesn't make you immune from fanboyism, by the way. I remember many downloadable 360 games being talked about on here as pluses for the system. Slowly they started making their way to PS3, then PS3 started getting it's own bunch of good smaller titles. By the end of the generation downloadable titles were no longer a bragging point for 360, and now they're supposedly a liability for PS4. Moving goalposts.
Its funny how Xbox fans are still being fooled by the same illusion MS creates to think they have better AAA exclusives since the 360. Most of the AAA exclusives are timed and paid 3rd party that eventually reaches other platforms. Even Halo and Gears are not even developed by the original studios but they are still true exclusives nonetheless. Sunset Overdrive is developed by a Sony (2nd Party) studio, so I hope you guys now know what most playstation games are like. Enjoy it If you bring up reviews, ps3 exclusives had way more and better reviewed games middle and end of that generation. Its only the beginning, just give it time to realize Sony's 1st parties are no joke. Sony 1st Party > MS 1st party by a mile and 2 planets.
http://www.listwar.com/ A man got tired of listing things but luckily saw this site
Nice. Too bad the facts will be ignored once again when the next debate starts in 5 minutes or so.
Unfortunately this list is missing a bunch of games. Maybe they stopped updating it?
Best comment of the thread. Sony can't afford real games just android knock offs
It is funny we have been hearing how Sony can't afford new games for about five years now. I keep buying them so they must have found money somewhere.
Since this is about sales this is a bit late to the party. They had won sometime ago :p
Okay, so let's go along with the idea and say that there is ZERO chance that the Xbox one will ever catch up to the PS4. And you may be right! I dont' see MS taking over anytime soon, much less at all... but after we acknowledge this scenario- Then what? Is that it? Is that all it's really gonna take to get Sony fans to grow up and stop bashing things that are not THEIR console of choice, but are still good and entertaining consoles?? I swear, to you guys, there's always "SOMETHING bad" about anything that's NOT A SONY Product. Goalposts are always shifting as Sony fans scramble to look like their opinion really matters. And last gen, some 360 fans were this way too.. and they were jerks for doing it too! But back to the topic--- Is admitting that Xbox one is not in a prime position to dominate for tech, features, or sales suddenly supposed to mean that nobody should ever buy an xbox one??? Even if they really want to? Is that supposed to mean that all the millions of people in the world's various reasons for buying ANYTHING are supposed to cater to sales numbers, and just simply disappear? Haha! The Sony fanboys WISH it was that easy! I mean, if it was THAT easy, then no 2nd place (in sales) console would EVER continue to be on the market after one year of lower sales than the Competition... That would mean: Nintendo 64 would have stopped selling after the 1st year, cuz of lower sales than Playstation. Xbox and Gamecube would have ceased to exist after 1 year of lower sales than Playstation 2. Xbox 360 and PS3 wouldn't exist after year 1 (2 in the xbox 360's case because Wii came out after the 360) because of inferior sales numbers compared to the Wii. See how stupid this all is? It's really not about being the best selling console- it's about what that specific console offers to a particular gamer's interest and desires- or whatever criteria they use to determine Value... This sales crap is an old dead horse folks... let's just get over it. Sure! PS4 WILL probably sell the most this gen! But will that really matter to people who don't want a Playstation 4 in the first place? Will better specs always determine the success of a console? If history is any indicator, then No! N64 was more powerful than Ps1... did that really matter in the long run? No... Xbox was more powerful then Ps2.. did that matter in the long run? No.. Gamecube was more poweful than Ps2.. did it really matter in the long run? No! Everyone bought what they wanted, and HOPEFULLY they ENJOYED GAMING! Ya know, our "favorite hobby"? Or have you all forgotten what gaming is all about? 1st in sales doesn't guarantee satisfaction with a product! Just like some people don't buy a Honda or a Toyota despite popular opinions because they want an American car... or any number of situations that are similar to this where sales don't determine satisfaction for everybody. A top selling artist like Beyonce doesn't appeal to me, but an underground DJ or solo guitarist might.. see where I'm goin with this? People will buy whatever they want for whatever reasons, and unless things are used to intentionally harm someone else's quality of life, it will never be for the wrong reason. Live and let live. If Scotty's girlfriend is uglier than mine, do I have to go all around town bullying Scotty just because of it? No! PS4 owners be like: "My dad can beat up your dad!" If that's the kind of gamers Sony fans want to be, then I say: go ahead and stay on the pre-school playground where you jerks belong.
At n4g gaming is secondary. Most people come here to argue with each other and have thier limited world views reenforced.
Ps4 won since it was announced. Undisputed
This is actually true, it didn't even need an overpaid "analyst" to predict it.
A man wasn't sure but after E3 2013 it was clear who was going to win. A man remembers the Amazon poll where PS4 was beating Xbone in anticipation about 22,000 to 1,000 after a couple days then Amazon had to shut it down to avoid pissing off MS too much lol
lol well it doesn't mean shit when xbox owners are more than satisfied with their games. Anyone who relies on sales to claim their purchased console is better is clearly insecure. A million people buying the console you bought doesn't help you in any way. Consoles are made to run GAMES, and right now Xbox One KILLING it, specially if you're a fan of the exclusives. I went with XB1 and I initially thought I had made the wrong choice, but now I know I would be pissed off if I had gotten the PS4 . Forza horizon 2, sunset overdrive, Titanfall, and soon Halo MCC are keeping me so happy, it's so funny to see people here argue about sales when I'm spending most of my time playing my xbox.
Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4..
PS4 13.5 million shipped xbox one 7.5 million shipped wii u 7.29 million shipped
Need a * next to Xbox One numbers. The last shipped numbers Microsoft announced were combined. It's probably closer to 7 million.
This has become pathetic. An embarrassment as well. When did we start caring who was selling more? Both have awesome exclusives both are great systems. Let's stop this pathetic console war and enjoy the damn systems.
No surprise. I get down voted for being releastic about how gamers are now.
"When did we start caring who was selling more?" Last generation, if not sooner.
I remember the good old days when we all just enjoyed video games. Never argued or anything
Oh yeah. 1988 was all about sales with SMS vs NES. Its always been there. Atari vs Coleco etc....
So do you agree that last gen the Wii beat both the 360 and the PS3?
"I remember the good old days when we all just enjoyed video games. Never argued or anything" The console wars and arguments go back to the Atari 2600 vs Mattel Intellivision days. I remember arguments then, and later when it was Sega vs Nintendo. The difference was those arguments had nothing to do with sales. I didn't notice sales becoming a bragging point until last generation, but it probably has it's roots in PS1 killing off Saturn and 3DO, and later PS2 killing off Dreamcast.
"I remember the good old days when we all just enjoyed video games. Never argued or anything" Yup, that's why nobody ever said "Sega does what Nintendon't" or claimed blast processing made the Genesis more powerful than the SNES. Nobody ever compared VRAM, sound chips, or overall horsepower. Nobody ever claimed Sonic is better than Mario, or viceversa. Nobody ever compared Genesis and Nintendo multiplats and claimed one was better than the other because of sound, graphics, color, or the ability to have blood in Mortal Kombat on Sega consoles which made it the more "mature" platform while "Nintendo is for babies". Nope, none of that happened. Not a single one. People just played in harmony until the 5th, 6th, 7th, or even this gen, the 8th came along, or you know, whichever one you think brought fanboyism and stuff like that into the mix.
Exactly. This has been going on for as long as there has been competition in the marketplace vying for developer attention. Just because you were neither alive nor aware of it, doesn't mean it wasn't taking place. It was and is.
Much earlier than this gen, but last gen is indeed when sales mattered... pretty much when Xbox fanboys and preemptively dumb gaming websites kept declaring the PS3 as "doomed". Sales mattered when Xbox fanboys continually rubbed the NPD numbers in everyone's faces. In fact, last-gen was also when graphics and resolution mattered when Lens Of Truth kept pinning 360 games as looking and running better than the PS3 versions, and fanboys kept using that site as a talking point. Let's brush it under the carpet though... nope! Let's just accept the ugly truth that is a firm part of this industry.
Some people just don't want to hear it though Digi...no matter what amount of facts, links, documented history or otherwise you can prove.
It was a big deal because Xbox was an underdog.It would be like the Jacksonville Jaguars beating the Patriots.Sony had years and years all to themselves with little competition and had all the awesome devs.
Has won? Not yet. Winning? Subjective. Ahead in sales? Will probably stay that way for a while. The PS4 is an amazing machine. Infamous Second Son only scratched the surface of it's capabilities. I can only image what the games in late 2015/2016 will be like, especiallly GT 7 and Silent Hills.
PS4 is the champ! console Domination! PS4 undisputed badassery!!! ...anybody up for Gungoose CTF on Bloodline Tuesday? Gamertag:SquishyBroFive0
Lmfao PS4 won nothing no Updates Failed servers games what games outdated phone games man keep thinking you won Sony fans you are delusional
http://prntscr.com/54bb08 ^Winning. I have both..so it doesn't matter but honestly as far as winning and not winning they are clearly ahead.
I just got thirsty from all of that salt.
Celebrate! Sony won! http://i.imgur.com/3RzbJAp....
There's nothing wrong with a good old fashion barn whippin. PS4 is layin to the XBone and for good reason. MS is getting what they deserve. They needed to be takin down a few notches. Thing is though, they haven't learned much. You would think they would be going out & spending the mountains of cash they have to buy up exclusives or buy studios to actually make games for the bone. Looks to me like they're going to do what they did last gen & nut ride multiplats, Halo, Gears & Crackdown. They're too busy trying to figure out ways to squeeze more money out of gamers than actually give gamers what they want. As far as "no updates" as you say. I thought update 2.0 was pretty huge. People need to get used to others cheering for PS & sneering at MS. MS brought it all on themselves. It's not the gamers fault. Over 13 million PS4s should tell you something. #1 Design a system gamers want. #2 Don't poop on gamers & tell them your going to screw them before you release a system. #3 The PS4 is still more in line with what gamers wanted. #4 Gamers have a heck of a memory & while they may not utterly write you off, they very well may give you the finger for a generation. MS had it comin even before that announcement disaster. They could have been the ones selling 13+ million but they botched that, pissed people off, blamed their messaging, nut rode through half of last gen, shoe horned avatars & kinect to seep what they could from the Wii pie, increased XBL fee to $60 & the list goes on... The 360 started out great (in terms of what I wanted) but ended horribly. Meanwhile, on PS3, exclusives were being churned out by the loads. Really great ones at that. The PS3 didn't start out terribly but ended much stronger in terms of gaming than the 360.
Like Sony doesnt rely on Uncharted, Killzone, GT and Infamous. Both have lots of familiar games and new ips. Microsoft is looking good so far with new ips like Ryse, Quantum Break, Titanfall, SSO, and much more from all the new teams they have built.
wow, other PS4 owners on this site are so embarrassing.
Some Sony fans i think have gone from idiotic fanboys to full blown fanaticism.
Yes it's very bad. Just have to rise above all the immature fanboys (something I thought was AGAINST the N4G TOS -- IMMATURITY) but yet here they all are in this very article in swarms... It's great to be a gamer on ALL platforms. Leave the bickering and delusional fanboy wars to the immature childeren.
Tell me about it.......
Implying that there aren't fans of the other two consoles that aren't embarrassing? More to the point, what are you being embarrassed about? Cuz some people aren't afraid to give as good as they've gotten these past 8 years or so? I guess it would be better to you if we all just shut up and let the other side spew out a bunch of nonsense and sway whoever doesn't know any better?
See, that's the thing though, nobody needs to be swayed for anything... Most people are capable of making up their own decisions for their own reasons... and everyone needs to just be ok with the fact that the ps4 is ahead in sales, and that it only matters to Sony, and to people who DO care about sales.... to everyone else, they might not even care who sold how many of what- they know they just want one specific thing! And whether they find what they are looking for in a PS4, Xbox One, Wii U, PC or tablet- that shouldn't matter to you if you aren't buying it anyway! Your notion that people simply talking about why THEY think the xbox one is a good is system is somehow "Swaying" is ridiculous..the fact that you think this is "being swayed" proves that you are eager to sway people to your side of the fence too! Hypocrite much??? Anyway, it's pointless... when all consoles have their fanbases, features, games, and Pros and cons to them- People don't need to be brainwashed into submission.... Just like two teams playing football don't need to pay off referees to win when BOTH teams are capable of playing some good Football- besides, it's all about the love of the game! Let's go back to LOVING videogames and being a gamer! People are capable of acknowledging two very good consoles for what they are- and making a decision for themselves. Now that's where being adamantly negative about a console comes into play... don't overdo it. Sure, talk about WHY you do or don't like something, but don't needlessly bash something you have zero experience or interest in.. and if others want to promote their machine, so be it! It seems to me the difference is how far people will go to bash the competition, rather than simply letting there actually BE some competition. It's all about fun, so let's stop making gaming look like a bunch of un-fun assholes are just being losers who wanna just sit around and talk shit all day.
Too early (fanboy) opinion,absolutely not authentic. This site = News for only Sony gamers, not news for gamers.
This is old news.
I don't understand. Microsoft has been making a profit from the Xbox One. Sony has been losing money. Watch 5 years from now, Sony will go bankrupt and PS4 with it while Microsoft keeps dropping billions for exclusives. Also the fact that the 360 has sold nearly 90 million consoles and the Xbox One is selling better during its first year of launch than the 360 did. Anyone notice the 1st party exclusive games coming out for the PS4 this holiday.... Oh wait.. Lol
You dont understand because you didn't return to sanity yet.
Your first sentence was spot on, mate - you don't understand.
Can you elaborate why?
Its not about who makes more money, bonehead. What good does that do us? We want our favorite systems to sell the most so they receive the most and best developer support. Biggest install base receives most and big budgeted games. This is why we debate it. Not because the parent company's bottom line matters. That means nothing to us.
Sorry for the essay, but making it shorter would mean I wouldn't be addressing all of your points fully. Sony's losing money on 2 divisions, and every other division makes enough money to cover for those losses. That's how business works, you have operating losses and hopefully revenue covers it so you can continue, which it seems like Sony is bound to do. You talk like MS dropping billions on exclusives is really a good thing too. What they need to do is build new studios, there's tons of unemployed developers who would love to be working again and MS doesn't even have to drop a billion to start a studio for them, just something like 20-30 million, but they rarely ever do that. Instead, they buy Mohjang for 2.5 billion. With those billions they could have also "targeted higher specs", but they specifically said they chose not to. I find it strange that a near "bankrupt" company like Sony is able to put out a more powerful machine that's also initially cheaper. I don't know about you, but that just rubs me the wrong way. The XB1 is only selling better than the 360 because of the huge launch. Never before have we had 3 million consoles available at launch. The XB1 is at about 7 million consoles now, and that means that almost half of its sales were from the first two months. It then goes on to sell 4 million in 10 months. Those aren't horrible numbers, but the 10 months after the 360 launched, the console was still supply constrained and it sold about 4 million. If it wasn't supply constrained, I can guarantee you it would've sold much better. And did you notice the 1st party exclusive games for the XB1 throughout the year? Or do games that release throughout the year not matter at all and all that really matters is the last 3 months? I guess they don't if you want it to fit your narrative. The PS4 had games throughout the year and PS4 owners didn't have to wait 6 months for a new exclusive like they did with the XB1 (Titanfall in March then FH2 in September). But sure, just ignore all of that. Also, MS had to cut almost all 360 development the last 3 years to move some games to the XB1. Moving development around doesn't amend the fact that people were very pissed about the 360's support. Sony kept up PS3 development and were able to still supply the PS4 with a comparable number of games.
That's great. Call me when there is something worth turning it on for.
Yep, no need to on ps4. Enjoying fighter within immensely on xb1.