Entertainment Buddha's Owen Hibbert discusses the use of sex appeal in the video game industry.
If women are objectified in games, so should men.
Try to look at things a little differently . Say for instance ,its a game thats meant to be an entertaining medium and relieve some of your stress and think less about those pesky stuff . Like this game is offensive , violent , has inappropriate image of a woman and your life will be easier . I understand how you feel but please you dont have to create a problem out of nothing because then you will just piss yourself off and piss other people off which is what some women are trying to do .
I'm not trying to piss anyone off nor should you read into my comment that deeply. It's a never ending arguement of how women are represented in games. I liked how saints row IV approached it. If a the female character has to be naked or strip, the guy does too. Most people will always say there's execption or look at the context.
But men are objectified. We just don't complain about it as much.
They are. In fact men almost always fit a stereotype.
Exactly. And the prevalence of this 'objectification' should make everyone question the legitimacy of the term 'objectification.'
Most men are objectified as well. Look at Nathan Drake, the perfect image of a man (body voice hair) or the other extreme, gears of war, muscle bound guys with the deepest most gruff voices you've ever heard. Would i ever want to be just like any of those guys, of course not, but i don't mind playing the role of those characters in a fantastical world for a few hours. Same with Bayonetta.
Bayonetta is a female character designed by men to appeal to men based on sex appeal. Nathan, Drake is a male character designed by men to appeal to men that wish they had that sex appeal. There's a big difference. If Nathan Drake and Uncharted was designed primarily to appeal to female gamers and their sexual attraction to the male physique, why doesn't it contains the same lingering crotch shots, suggestive close ups and overtly sexual dialogue? It's not as simple as saying that "men in games are all physically fit and and attractive". Women can be portrayed as physically fit and attractive without literally impossible breast sizes or a skeleton structure designed to show off their breats or backside. If it was the same for both sides,why don't all male characters have gigantic bulges in their pants bursting to be free, spend all their time fawning over women or take every chance they can get to look sexy no matter how inappropriate the context?
@Continue Bayonetta is designed by a woman. In fact that is a well known irony regularly used against critics of her design. Your ignorance is showing. And you can't be serious about Nathan Drake being designed as some sort of prospective alter ego for people with no sex appeal xD. He's just a tribute to the romantic adventure movie protagonists like Indiana Jones, The Mummy, etc. Now we can't even HAVE an attractive lead character in a game without accusing the developer of being petty? Only the West would make an issue out of this, lol. They act like Bayonetta is straight up porn when there's technically zero nudity and most of the sexuality is in a humorous context. Sometimes i wonder if any of these morons actually play the damn game.
@COntinueplay I have no desire to look like Nathan Drake, not sure what you mean. Why don't you look at Kratos, muscle-bound af and with tons of closeups on his face, biceps, chest etc.
Thx for that. You said it just the way I would. Since Duke Nukem we play with absolutely unrealistic male protagonists. And that was never an issue because it's pure fantastic. It's meant to be fun playing these characters! And it succeeds. Mission accomplished. Bayonetta is an amazing character IMHO. She is sexy, very capable without help from anyone, independent and fun... really she is my female Duke Nukem.
Almost all men in games are objectified, but do we men moan about it? No.
The only people whining about it are women who don't play games and journalists that want to be on their good side. Vocal minority, silent majority.
Oh they are. A person can be objectified in many different ways. Just as women are presented with unrealistic stereotypes, so too are men. This happens throughout our media, entertainment, etc. I'm not saying women don't suffer from an abundance of objectifying in sexual terms, but life isn't peachy and free of any stereotypes, social misinterpretations, etc--simply because you're born with a penis.
How often in games are men portrayed as the gruff handsome guy with abs? A lot. Do guys care? No
Well let's just take a look at Dante, the male counterpart to Bayonetta, and see if he's objectified/sexualised. http://i.imgur.com/zKrpQkl.... http://i.imgur.com/hQT1Dfu.... https://www.youtube.com/wat... Hmmm...
Funny and disturbing, a baseball bat for a weiner and then a large, erect, and veined..... pizza crust appears. I'd rather not see things like this but I support the right of devs to release it, even if the guy is wearing a 'douche necklace'.
No. Nobody is forcing you to buy the game, so why do you want to force them to do what you want? Go make a game objectifying men, it doesn't matter, it's just a game. I'd like a game that lets you spank women that want to take away necessary freedoms, but only the attractive ones of course.
Fine by me. Objectify away. But there is a difference between having sex appeal and being objectified.
If you view objectification as wrong, why would you wish it on another?
" so should men." They are. Next.
The people making Bayonetta made that game probably because that's what they wanted to play. Nobody gets to tell them what to put in THEIR game. Why not be constructive and go and make the kind of games that you want to play? So many people seem to know exactly what games developers should be doing and yet in a world where indy games can go toe to toe with AAA games, none of these people that know so much actually put it into practice.
The majority of males in video games sport a near-perfect figure, and a smaller faction sport the kinds of muscles that most men can only dream of. Every time this happens, there's going to be a fan girl objectifying them for their looks. And no one ever makes a big deal out of it when it happens. This is never brought up, let alone acknowledged to exist, however, because it would completely stab a hole in the inflating ego of the extremist faction of feminists if they were to admit that men in video games have been objectified for a long time, too.
Men are objectified in games... duh... I mean seriously they have perfect sex appeal towards women... I laugh at anyone who thinks otherwise.
Its funny some people look at Bayonetta and feel offended or look at her in a sexual way because all i see about her is total badassery . She is indeed beautiful but i always look at her badass side and attitude . And to answer that question . No is the answer because its a fictional world created for entertainment and not for delving into the real life issues . While some games do this perfectly , others look at games in a really weird and useless way . (Looking at you Bioware ) .
It's a weird thing, really, because I've always kind of disliked games that throw sexuality in my face for no apparent reason...I think because porn is already about as easily accessible as it can possibly be, so why do I need a boner while I'm playing an action game? But it's never really BOTHERED me to the extent that I feel like it should be banned or even widely chastised in the industry. Even in a game like Bayonetta, for instance, her sexuality seems to be playing into the big, dumb Japanese B-movie vibe that the developers were going for in the first place. I guess it's just good to look at everything in meta-context before making damning accusations about a game, because I agree with you: at the end of the day, these things are created for entertainment purposes. Most of them are not out to make any sweeping social statements about the world we live in.
I am getting this depressing feeling that every game from here on out is going to have the "its sexist" attack against it.
Gaming will mature out of that sooner or later. There was a time where all video games "caused violence." RE5 was racist. Halo was a murder simulator. That kind of stuff didn't change the industry and I don't believe this will either.
Yes I hope this "fad" passes away. To be honest these feminists and liberal journalists that push this stuff profit of making controversy so the sooner the money pool dries up the sooner this disappears
I remember the RE5 racism crap. Capcom had to add in white zombies because apparently some people felt they were trying to make a game where you were on some quest to kill as many black people as you could. So tarded.
@turdburgler1080, most of the people that complain are not really feminist nor liberals, just people who want controversy and attention......
They pretty much already do suffer that attack.
Not to worry. The sites promoting that garbage are already losing ad revenue, traffic, and credibility. We are winning. The fading misperception that we are somehow not winning is caused mostly by the same scared bullies that are losing ad revenue. Kind of interesting really.
In the first game, it felt as if the writers didn't want to put time into writing a meaningful character, so they ended up with an overly sexualized one. Felt corny and unnecessary most of the time. Didn't add anything meaningful to the game imho.
Sorry wrong post. I agree with you though.
It's all about common sense when it comes to representation. A lot of people see it as an 'attack' yet people who want fair representation want just that, fairness. Comparing make to female characters is frankly laughable. We're talking about sexualisation, saying "The guy in x game has big muscles, men a misrepresented too" etc is valid, but very narrow viewpoint to have. Most people who feel threatened by people talking about how games are rubbish at fair representation only use the 'muscular dude-bro' statement as a counter argument to female representation, but instead of using it a a rebuttal it should be used to support it. The same is true of race, homosexuality and transgender representation. At the end of the day if it's fair and justified in a context other than the ridiculous argument that its "just a videogame" and therefore ok, then most of the 'feminists' will accept it. The fact is right now most cannot and will not accept that there is a problem because it doesn't really affect them in the same way and therefore throw up knee jerk and childish reactions
you make a fair point. i think this article doesn't and made no sense throughout. sex appeal in video games should be questioned in a sense of why portray this character in this way? what i mean by this is if female A had to be running around in a bikini? i recently saw screenshots of the new fatal frame and had characters in little to no clothing DLC. now in that sense its kind of objectifying women and was totally unneccesary. however, i havent seen many other games that would be out right sexists or over sexualising the females.
"The same is true of race, homosexuality and transgender representation." It sounds like you're trying to manipulate companies into doing things your way, using the public, etc (since you believe you're right). They are making a product, it's their choice what they put into it and your choice to buy it. "At the end of the day if it's fair and justified in a context other than the ridiculous argument that its "just a videogame" and therefore ok, then most of the 'feminists' will accept it." It is just a game, and for adults they should be allowed to make and buy any kind of game they want. A 'book burning' mindset is more dangerous than any game could be. I don't care what any group will accept, the truth is what's important. "The fact is right now most cannot and will not accept that there is a problem because it doesn't really affect them in the same way and therefore throw up knee jerk and childish reactions" It effects me because I want more nudity, jiggling, and sex in my games :) and there are dangerously ignorant people delaying it (and bring on the VR versions! ;). Childish is calling other people childish because you're throwing a tantrum when you don't get things your way, there are enough problems in this world without people making up new ones. You can explain your wants/reasons to the companies and try to nicely convince others to help, or you can just not buy it and tell them why you didn't.
I would go one step further. Instead of being destructive and telling others 'you can't do this' go and be constructive and say 'I can make this'. People generally make the games they want to play. If you disagree with what others are making, make the games you want to play.
to be fair games that sexualize male characters to appeal to female gamers are actually common in Japan, more so than those that sexualize women, the thing is only male oriented 'fanservice' games get localized because gaming is not as common among teenage girls in the west as it is in Japan
There's nothing wrong with questioning things. Questioning things is not attacking them. Nor is it asking for them to be changed. It certainly isn't calling for censorship. It's just offering opinions, and sometimes alternatives. A little bit of awareness goes a long way. Saying that, I think Bayonetta is a great character and portrayal, but someone else may disagree.
Questioning is absolutely fine. However, there are some that demand it to be changed. It's these people that I, and I think probably others, are annoyed with.
"There are many titles out there which have a real heavy focus on sex within games, and use it as part of mass marketing. Bayonetta 2 is of course the most recent example, but most of us take a lot of the characters we see as they are." didnt really think bayonetta focussed on sex. seems more like an action oriented game. anyway, throughout the artivle the writer seems to mix up the differences between sex and sex appeal. some games should be questioned and in a sense we have rating boards for this. they may not actually portray things the right way but they have a set of guidelines that say how games should be rated. i dont think bayonetta should even be involved in this kind of talk. yeah shes female, yeah she is tall, has super long legs and is covered by a hair suit(?) but does that matter? "How do you feel about sex within a video game? Or the portrayal of women in general? Is it something you find needs to be understood or should we just accept it?" they picked the wrong game, bayonetta actually portrays females in a cool sense. she knows shes sexy sp she flaunts it a little. shes kinda gives off the domiatrix vibe but thats just her character. the writer also talks about quiet from mgsV, game hasnt been released yet and we havent got much information yet but if rumors are correct then she wears little clothing due to her photosynthesis abilities. sounds bullshit, but a previous mgs character already had that. anyway, pretty much a non article that is confused on what he wants to ask or express. best to avoid reading
Questioned, yes. Condemned a priori, no.
The gaming industry is a joke. Keep giving this subject attention. I didn't click on the article just to let u know I already know whet this is going . And they picked on of the coolest badass chicks in gaming . Smh. Samus is next along with princess peach.
The article is actually positive toward Bayonetta.
Why is this on the X1 page it's a WII Wii game
I think a lot of games are supposed to be 'for adult' rated and what? Seriously its a joke. this media is way behind what it should be
They do make the M rating for a reason. Everyone can quit being mad about titties now.
Never! Unless it tries and fails to be sexually appealing.
No. Unless its appealing to a younger crowd. an M rated game is an M rated game. sex shouldnt be questioned unless they're pulling a Disney. I find nothing at all wrong with bayonetta... Though I wouldnt put it in the hands of a 12yo.
Not sure to be honest. As a human I feel that every should be treated the same, but as a man I enjoy looking at a nice ass. God damn you to hell, mother nature!
I don't get why you feel conflicted. Do women not look at men's asses, too? Which is why I have a problem with this uproar, such as it is. Men are objectified just as frequently as women are (no, really, they are; just think about all the ideals we're expected to live up to, that women look for in us). We just look at that unification differently. That is to say: we don't get categorically offended.
I agree. I feel women are objectified more in society, but to say that men aren't is just dumb.
NO. video games are an art form, should we really burn down all the old "Nude" oil paintings from the late1800s. FUCK NOPE
Firstly videogames are a form of entertainment and so is art, all entertainment. For me nude oil paintings are not art, sure many people consider it as art, because it's accepted as art since centuries, but why should I or you or anybody else consider it as art because it is considered as "art" by the majority? Many people fear to use their own brain, they just have the same opinion as the mass, afraid to have a different opinion than the other 98 %, that's the problem. Videogames that show too much skin without sufficent reason should be questioned and not be considered as art or "art form". Such games are just products that are made to be sold in my opinion and not art. Take Bayonetta 2 for example, sure the game can have his qualities, but I wouldn't buy it, because the character looks too off-putting for my taste, the game looses it's credibility and should not be taken seriously, that's why it will always remain just a videogame and will never be real art in my opinion (of course, nobody has a clear definition of art). Nobody should burn down anything, one should just be more critical instead of praising everything, question it, not just eat everything that looks eatable.
Yes, it should! I find it inappropiate in videogames, another thing that should be questioned is senseless/inappropiate/exagger ated violence in games. It's acceptable as long as it is needed, sadly there are games that contain a lot of pointless violence. The sad thing is that many use exaggerated violence and sex to sell as many copies as possible. You can negate it all you want, but it's a sad truth ... Simple logic: more skin, more blood, more money (more dumb people that will buy the game)
This is a never ending topic. Sex appeal in videogames should only be questioned when there's a good reason to question it. What exactly is Bayonetta doing wrong? She's a strong independent female who likes to show off, taunt enemies, and dance. She isn't bowing down to any man and when she gets naked, it's taunting enemies as her hair demon is killing them. The camera is zoomed away during those scenes too, so her becoming naked is shown for a few seconds at most. Bayonetta is sexy and she likes to show off. If you were sexy, wouldn't you like to show off? Maybe not Bayonetta levels, but maybe change from baggy clothes to tighter ones? Show off your abs in the summer? Wear that sexy bikini at the beach? Most people would say yes. They like that attention of being admired. Concerning this article, they say that: "Gone are the hideous witch stereotypes; glamour and style are all that remain. The thing that makes Bayonetta stand out so much is her sex appeal, but without that she is merely a very flexible husk. Bayonetta as a character has many traits, but three main ones which define her. Her looks, her voice and her flamboyant attitude. Take even one of these away and the game would lose its charm almost instantaneously." Well, no duh. Take away Batman's intelligence, voice, and wealth (Batsuit, gadgets, etc.) and that charm is gone. Take away any of Jole's voice, his past, and his attitude and you lose the charm. Many well respected characters can be pegged down to 3-4 simple traits and if brought down too much, they lose their identities. Bayonetta isn't just BODY. She's a caring jerk that likes to tease people. She's shows emotions and likes to be sarcastic. She's not dumb since she can plan out trajectories with extreme precision. What more does she need to be more appealing? Does she need to come from an island of amazons? Does her parents need to be shot in an alley? Take away all the sexiness and this game would still be fun. A character's appearance/sexiness is only the topping. The cake itself is the gameplay. Sex appeal is a very small part of games. If that was false, games like DOA would sell in the trillions because boobs. DOA sells not solely on its boobs, but it has the gameplay to back it up. The fighting game is fun and is one of the few games where there are just as many females as males. It has extremely fluid combat and its tag mode is great.
No. It seems that only people that think sex appeal should be questioned are unattractive themselves.
No, Should Sex Appeal In Movies, Books and Other Media Be Questioned too? That is the bigger question. Hollywood has been using sexy girls throughout the years. Where is the big uproar over this?
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