GameZone's Matt Liebl: "When it comes to video games, I’m all for freedom of expression. But a new game from “experienced” indie developer Destructive Creations has me questioning my own belief."
Here we gooooooo
yeah its too early for this kind of talk...haven't even had a drink yet.
Gaming........ gaming never changes
Gameplay wise the game looks good but it needs more objectives than just kill kill kill. It will get old FAST.
Just wait until VR is perfected...going to be a thousand times more scary than this.
"Mario is racists against turtles...." just waiting for the article.......it seems the direction ALL journalism is going. Tabloids....nothing more than that.
After that article "Mario is racist against mushrooms...."
Did they seriously rip off the Doom logo?
I don't even know what words to use to describe this game.
"When it comes to video games, I’m all for freedom of expression." Apparently not.
The writer is a dumb @$$ hypocrite.
Doubt you even bothered to read it. If your younger than 12 I will give you a pass if not then you have problems. So go back and read the article and then give a valid remark. And I completely agree with the author.
Umm, actually there's no contradiction there. He doesn't have to like something and can question its existence. He's not calling for censorship. Freedom of expression also = freedom to criticise. Imo this could be an interesting game if there's more to it than using shock value to sell copies. Which is pretty lame.
Uhm, the writer is discussing ARTISITC FREEDOM. We are discussing ARTISITC FREEDOM. Freedom of expression does not equal artisitc freedom unless you are attempting to state a critique is art. It isn't. The second you state, "Thats's going too far..." you no longer believe in artisitic freedom. You can like it or not like it, but when you begin setting limits for the behavior and character of the art of others then you have lost that idea of freedom.
No, you can believe in the right for the game to exist but still personally feel that it crosses a moral line. For instance, I think this game should be allowed to be made and released to the general public, but I also hope it fails miserably because I have always had ZERO respect for shock art.
The right for the game to exist isn't what people are saying. You are not comprehending my remarks. As I have stated in two threads about this game, you can like it or dislike it, but stating that the the game should not exist, attempting to quash artistic freedom is inherently wrong. Young people never learned the expression, "I disagree with what you are saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it." It is hypocritical on the parts of these people that always attack the press for similar stances to suddenly take one themselves.
@Morgan If there was a game that was a real killing simulator told you how to kill how to rape how to go to school and shoot everyone and enjoy it would you still be all for freedom of speech. Because according to you this game should see the light of day.
For the last time...since you refuse to read, we are talking about ARTISTIC FREEDOM. ARTISTIC.....SPEECH. CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE? NO? HERE: http://www.rif.org/ As regards speech, I do believe in freedom of speech. And that info you are talking about? It is all over the internet already so you are, as you have readily demonstrated, too late. Run along now and live in your close-minded little censorship world where a minority tells the majority what to think, say, believe, and do.
@morganfell Art is speech, so no there isn't a difference. I mean legally what you are saying is wrong, like all wrong.
While I did find the trailer uncomfortable there is one thing that we should all agree on and that the author should acknowledge: Art is a form of speech. Which means if you're not in favor of that simple statement, you are anti free speech, and against the very same laws which allow people to maintain a job as a critic. As a website you can choose not to promote the game, but you cannot dictate it's right to exist.
I don't see how it's different then call of duty were you massacre armies of enemies.
The difference is cod represents war being fought by two groups of people called armies who chose to do battle over an idea they feel is worth dying for. I kind of see what you are saying as far as civillians dying as a result of war but cod does not portray that. Hatred is a person murdering innocent people.
two things 1: it's fictional and 2: your're are still massacring people I don't see this any different than going on a killing spree in gta other then the edge factor.
Someone seems to have forgotten the "No Russian" mission in CoD.
So Hatred is like Grand Theft Auto in that respect then.
Then you are to immature to tell the difference.
Then tell me o wise one what's the difference between kill faceless fictional enemies in call of duty to kill faceless fictional civilians from this game. I play multi-player games where i do nothing but kill people to win the game and I'm sure most gamers have too, so whats the difference between doing that and playing this game. unless you only play games like Mario and others like it that only get rated T and lower, it seems quite hypercritical to throw a fuss and act a holier then thou to those who know it's fictional.
Please I don't pretend to be wise or holier then the next person. Don't believe in God but that is beside the point. This game has no class no value at all. Basically it's about cold blooded murder. You brought up multiplayer fine that is basically a game you get a point if I kill you and you respawn it's about getting points to win. In hatred it's not about that it's about killing someone for no reason yes it's fictional but completely different. The mindset in this game is murder. Frankly I'm all for freedom of speech but be prepared for the consequences. Just because you say what you want doesn't mean people can't say what they want back. And I for one think this game is disgusting.
so in others words your just saying "stop making things i don't like" "You brought up multiplayer fine that is basically a game you get a point if I kill you and you respawn it's about getting points to win" I find this point comical how do you know Hatred doesn't give you points to win from killing? clearly if you put an objective on why you are mass murdering fictional people it completely nullifies the fact that your mass murdering fictional people, seems quite hypocritical to be content with mass killing in MP games to win, yet to denounce that this game is only about murder when you are doing the exact same thing in pretty much every other game I find it to be funny.
You have to be trolling. How can you not see a difference between someone defending their country or clan or state or whatever and someone just going out to kill innocent people for no reason. No one said that we didn't want this person not to make the game I am just trying to respond to your comment that the mentality is different than cod (which I'm not even a big fan of).
The difference is in call of duty it's kill or be killed if you can't see the difference you must be blind, a child could point out the difference to you
I don't know. I was very intrigued by the hyper violent nature of that reveal trailer. I'm definitely interested.
Agreed. I am looking forward to seeing more.
It's not for me. I don't like that level of violence in my games. But I don't think it's "going too far" or anything like that. I think it will appeal to some- it's a rather inbreeding premise, I admit- and some won't. People are going too far when they assign too much meaning to these games.
You seem to claim you do not think it is going to far but instead state openly that it only appeals to those with a genetic aberration. It seems your implication is that such a title would be deemed unacceptable by a person of normal genetic disposition. Am I misreading your remarks?
I just exchanged a series of PMs with Spotie and his remark is not at all what he wanted to say. Instead he was betrayed by the bane of every sane person's existence The autospell corrector. I hate them as well. What he meant to say was a far cry from the way his comment plays out and you can clearly see it was his original intention. What he meant to post was: "I think it will appeal to some-it's a rather interesting premise, I admit- and some won't." His remarks now make perfect sense and reading the rest of his PM he has a pretty levelheaded take on a title that he understand despite it not being his cup of tea.
I don't know what is about this game, but something is making want to see more and probably play this. It maybe just me, I think it's great to see a game that's finally pushing the envelope again.
I'm more offended on how gratuitous the premise is. It's so fucking on the nose. There better be one hell of a twist to make this whole story worth it or else there is no real point to this game other than to make headlines. What the main character is doing is unquestionable, straight up evil, and i say that based solely on the trailer with no context to whats going on in other parts of the story. Is he crazy? Does he think that people ARE demons and needs to kill them. If it IS only that he wants to kill innocent people then there is absolutely no point to having this game made. That being said, the game itself (graphics and gameplay wise) does look pretty good.
No Russian! Let the greenback decide!
I want to get this game banned from the uk I sent this to the Prime Minister Get This Disgusting Video Game Banned From The UK This video game's one and only premise is to kill innocent people for the sake of pure hatred. It has no other goals or motives other then to promote senseless murder as fun and acceptable. Dangerous media like this when played by unstable individuals is sure to cause acts of terrorism in society when re-enacted and mimicked by them. I ask that you watch the video in the link and I'm sure you will come to the same conclusion. So called 'entertainment' like this must be stopped not only does it cast a bad shadow over video games and create a false ideology about the industry as stated it can also have far greater implications for us the public. The game is called "Hatred" here is the link https://www.youtube.com/wat... ...........blah.....blah
I am normally all for games being violent because it's just a game. I think games should be able to do most things. Like Call of Duty during some parts of the story people are able to skip certain parts of the game because they will be really disturbing but I'm fine with them being there because it progresses the story and it makes you want to get rid of the bad guys even more. But this is probably the first game that I have seen that takes it too far. Yes in games like GTA you might kill innocent people but you are not given the feeling of what it is like to do that in real life because there is no real emotion comming from the random npcs. But this game is a whole other issue. Your character who you play as says he wants to kill these innocent people and not only that these random people beg for you not to murder them in disturbing ways. This adds a whole new layer of realism that should not be the main purpose of any game. Having a scene like that could be in the storyline like once(where you get to choose if someone lives or dies) but for you to basically be put into a mass murdering simulator is just too much. What pisses me off the most is that you are probably going to see the media or church related people make out all video games to be like this when they're not. But this is the first game I think should be banned. Games should not have rape, child porn, and killing innocent people as they beg for their lifes while your character enjoys it. Those three things just go too far in my opinion. ----------------------------- @People who think this game should be allowed to release I'm all for free speach but do you really think games should be allowed to have anything no matter how disturbing they are? If so it just shows how immature you are. No matter how fake something is it can always effect you emotionally in a very bad way or in a great way. Killing random people in gta does not really effect you emotionally unless you have never played a game before but this game is made to effect you in a very disturbing manner.
I think it's more immature to demand people make things for you and you alone, and this game is no different then any other FPS/action game were you massacre faceless fictional people other then the fact it's trying to be super edgy. I find it funny people say this going to far yet will most likely go play online multi-player games where the only objective is to kill people to win the round.
Except for the characters represented are fighting back and are equally matched for the most part and choose to be there...
I'm not going to say they went to far or don't make it but quit trying to compare it to games that represent battle instead of murder.
Don't buy it?
A video game can't encourage anyone to become a cold-blooded murdered. To become a murderer you already have to have a predisposition for it. We already went over this crap with the old "violence in video games leads to real life violence" argument. When i say "we", i don't mean me, but psychologists and neurologists who actually know their stuff proving it through scientific method. The human brain operates at a much deeper level than just the surroundings you grow up in affecting your personality, or the media portrayal of whatever it portrays affecting it [it doesn't really affect anything that hasn't already been born there before the fact]. Two people can grow up the exact same way in the same circumstances and same environment, and still end up being completely different people, because both of them had the trillions of electrical impulses and connections in the brain reconfiguring randomly from birth and creating different pathways in a domino effect for how they will grow up to be in the future. That's human individualism at play, and nothing will ever change it.
"We already went over this crap with the old "violence in video games leads to real life violence" argument." Exactly. But I guess some people were not around, or old enough when Doom first appeared. Or GTA. Or Soldier of Fortune. Or [insert title here].
I seem to remember being taught that I was a product of my environment in psychology class. Someone better let those people wasting my time with commercials know that it has no effect on people to try and entice them to do things by making it look enjoyable. "OH, well that's not the creators intent of this game..." Maybe.... Maybe not.
You are a product of your unique individualistic choices. Think of your own existence as a piece of paper and think of the environment as something that gives you random written titles on that piece of paper that you freely interpret and then write about in the paper, much like a language assignment in school. The environment has simply provided a title, what you will write about that title, how you will interpret it, what ideas you will have about it, HOW MANY different things you will think about it and from how many angles, and which you will choose from, is entirely up to your individual existence, and the final produce is what defines you as an individual irrespective of what the environment gave you as a title. Such produce can even depend on your emotional state [whether you are happy, or leaning towards stoicism, or anger or whatever] as it sways your mind towards some ideas more than others, which is again something that is yours and yours alone as an individual trait, unrelated to environment around you at that time. The reason psychology in school forces the simpleminded idea that you are majorly a product of environment is not only because education is bollocks these days in quality, but also because if it convinces you as such, you will stop thinking for yourself and start thinking that everything that defines you requires being dependent on the environment like a parasite that lets itself go. You should be able to see how this can be bad and what kind of people it can benefit at your own cost. The environment simply provides experiences or "roads" that you can take, in that sense it helps you build yourself, however which roads you will take and how you will interpret them depends on how your brain is structured specifically and uniquely to you as an individual, so the environment doesn't define you.
I just watched the trailer again and seeing people beg for you not to kill them then you do it is really screwing my emotions up. I know it's a game but it makes me feel the same as when I saw the dash cam video of a cop begging for his life before he was murdered. This game is so mest up and I can't believe people would defend it. Video games are not movies, books, or anything like that. They are the most interesting form of art ever created that puts you in the position of being in the game itself no matter how fake it is this should not be allowed to be created. @nippletwister @00 No human is born without the ability to kill. We exist in a somewhat civilized and intelligent enough world where we are raised not to kill for no reason but given the correct circumstances anyone would kill another human. But seeing someone else kill someone will not make anyone want to become this way. Not caring what happens to your self is the first step in not caring about anyone eleses life either. While videogames are fake you can't say they can not effect you emotionally just like seeing the same thing in real life. This isn't even about video games turning people into murders because they don't but it is far too emotionally disturbing for it to exist. It should not exist for the same reason child porn and rape videos should not be allowed to exist, they are extremely desturbing.
It'd be interesting to see if that's the direction this game goes. Seeing ppl beg for their lives and then you kill them could be a VERY powerful message. Unfortunately, it looks like they are simply going for shock value.
I'm sorry, but child porn videos [with real children] and rape videos [with real people] can't be compared to fake imaginary pieces of code. In your examples real people are hurt, in video games nobody is hurt and it is all part of an imagination. You feeling disturbed because real people are being harmed in rape and child porn videos is a valid thing anyone can agree on, but censoring art that doesn't utilize real people because you feel emotionally disturbed by it even though there are no humans harmed in the making of it is simply tantamount to thought policing. The real world doesn't operate like a hug box. If you feel disturbed by something, fine, that's your opinion and your right, but what you feel isn't necessarily what others share and calling for bans or deciding what should exist in this circumstance is tantamount to you insulting the intelligence of those who are capable of discerning the imaginary from the reality.
This really doesn't look that interesting. The shock-value is so contrived it's laughable. The trailer depicts the barest of plots and the gameplay doesn't look like anything special either. Nathan Explosion going sickhouse on a bunch of unarmed civilians doesn't sound like a compelling gaming experience. Shooting unarmed civilians is about as interesting a challenge as hunting domesticated cattle would be. I'm also almost positive that every "edge-y" thing about this game exists only to elicit negative press and build up free public awareness about what will be a sub-par game.
This looks like Hotline Miami with more realistic graphics , everyone loved HM so why is this getting so much hate , game of "bad taste" , oh suddenly when graphics represent something that looks like real ppl you shit your pants ? You didnt care for any of the 8bit characters u killed in HM and here your crying over 3d polygon models , every journalyst who condems this but loved HM is a fake bandwagon jumping piece of ****
No, people don't like that the people being murdered in this game are innocent civilians, in Hotline miami they would kill you if you did't get them. It's just common sense, not exactly a complicated difference.
Seems like a good family game. I hope it has co-op so little Johnny or little Suzy can play with Mom & Dad in a time of family bonding.
Let the consumer decide what art is appropriate for themselves. Otherwise, give it a rest.
I wonder if the developer will make it more like Fallout 1 & 2 and add children?
Its just a game. release it , or not the world will still turn and life will go on. including murder rape etc._
This game is going to make it so hard to defend against stupd 'violence in videogames' arguments. The reason is that it completely renders a lot of the arguments we that we use null and void. I don't care if it's just a game. I don't care if it's not meant to be taken seriously. It seems like they're hitting all the wrong notes. It looks like a horror themed experience, but that very same thing is built around being pure fun ? Say all you want about creative expression. You still have to put a little thought into the repercussions of something like this at a time like this. The biggest one right now is that it makes it a whole lot harder for us to argue the stupid violence in videogames causes violence crap.
How about we ignore it?
I wanna see more of this game
Trying way too hard. This game will get old fast. Manhunt is better.
Personally I'm intregued by this, its not for everyone and the violence will definatley turn people away, but this is the developers vision and i respect that. The russian mission in COD as has been mentioned gave players the option to skip it, just as this game is not forcing itself on anyone, if you dont like the look of it from the trailer and you dont agree with it then dont buy it, simple as that. Just dont become keyboard warriors preaching all high and mighty when games like this have existed way before this was thought up, carmageddon springs to mind, i used to laugh about getting points for running over old ladies. I guess what im saying is, let them do what they set out to do, they are not forcing anyone to like it or buy it, if it fails then at least let if fail because of the disliking of the vision and not for the countless journalists and haters trying to tell everyone else what they should be thinking
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