Scrawl: "Before I start this article, I'd like everyone to give this article over at RPGFan a read. It really states the bad situation Sony is in with RPGs and even highlights the numbers. Now, onto the article."
most third parties are turd parties.
care to elaborate?
PS3 has the top rated 3rd-party exclusive game in MGS4. Bioshock, the 2nd best rated is no longer exclusive to 360 and is also coming to PS3. The RPGs that are coming out on 360 are 2nd-rate titles made created on obsolete engines such as the Unreal Engine 3. They may be good games but they're not going to sell 360 hardware.
I have to agree. But the point they are making is that Sony needs to figure out how to get the third parties more involved.right now there just isn't that much support. From what I saw about the RPG's for the 360 only Fable 2 sparks my interest.
and not one of you know the truth. 3rd party games have been directed by a Microsoft check book and since it's free money every company loves it. I would take it. I don't work for Sony. Loyalty is a myth and a joke at the same time. The 360 doesn't have the first parties to support like Sony does so they are free to spend, spend, spend, on third party. MS knows what they are doing. They pay EA for timed exclusive rights to Rock Band in Europe because Europe loves Singstar and awesome drunken party games. They pay EA for giving Sony a sh1tty version of Madden last year because they know in the US, Madden is the draw (funny because FIFA 08 was 60fps and developed at the same time within the EA). They pay Capcom for their allegiance. They pay Ubisoft on the side too. They are paying all the Japanese developers they can for RPG support for Japanese prayers. And they still have money.... And the next XBOX is coming soon...
great timing for M$ to throw out to the streets their paid xbots to make articles like this. Have you all seen how many negative PS3 articles came out since MGS4??? it is really funny!!
How would Bioshock be a PS3 third party exclusive?
Stop treating the ps3 like a system that transitions easily from PC development, or giving horrible ports and you'll see players not buy it, thus making some 3rd party not try when in essence it was their fault to begin with. COD4, Burnout, DMC are just a few examples of what happens when you treat the PS3 like it's own system. You get results on par, or better than the other platforms. Uh..Duh?
Err, I think they made a mistake. Insomniac are not first party, they are not owned by Sony, they just happen to develop PS3 exclusive games. That makes the situation better.
And some of the 360 exclusives have been exclusives because the console has been out longer.. bigger install base = more money. As the ps3 gets a bigger install base (now reaching 14 mil) it will start getting some exclusives as well. I believe that he's too eager to say that the 360 is getting all the good third party support when in reality they're both getting some love. The 360 have had a better support thus far but that doesn't mean the ps3 will never get it. In my opinion this is just some flamebait and not a very well thought out article. Now that mgs4 is out and the ps3 has learned not only to walk but is starting to run we will see a lot of final hate towards the ps3.. Now that we got a pretty good library haters move towards, RPG's, PSN, Third Party (even thou we just got the best game a gamer could ask from a third party), and of course bring back old, very old issues with the ps3.. like the whole sony promises we saw last night article.. It's ok thou no need to get all angry at someone's silly opinion. Ps3 is here to stay boys, and i can care less if great games are either FIRST OR THIRD party.. i just wanna play great games..
It really does seem like with the overwhelming success and praise of MGS4 has com alot of PS3 trashing, and as Bullet said, bringing back old issues as far back as launch. It's true though, who cares about first or third party as long as the games are good, the rest will come in time.
This list incomplete where is tekken 6 and blaze blue also the new formula game coming out. E3 is just around the corner sony has yet to announce all their games. But the lack of third party support is due to microsoft's oh so generous checks and sony is just not having it this also shows how sony aren't buying exclusives. Lets just say Sony is still in a better position since it will always have its first party exclusives while M$ on the other hand has little to no first party exclusives and many "timed" third party exclusives.
lol..on the other side i say SCE's one leg is like an elephant leg who has doubt with first party game from Sony?
Because I read half that article and it was moronic...
I dont see how the 360 is going to even touch the ps3;s line up.. I mean the only game this year on the 360 that will be pretty big is gears 2.. Fable 2 and too human arent going to do anything big.. Than what do you have after that??? Alan wake in 5 yrs lol Ps3 has a lot of freaking games people are looking for.. Resistance 2, killzone 2, final fantasy games, white knight, little big planet, gt5, jak and dexter, God of war 3.. I mean the list goes on.. and than you have home which is going to be huge. I dont care what anyone says.. Its going to be the myspace of gaming..
Im sorry but it doesnt sound what you know your're talking about btw is Jak and Daxter not Jak and dexter.....
In Development: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 Exclusive Final Fantasy Versus - PS3 Exclusive White Knight Chronicles - PS3 Exclusive Eternal Sonata - Multi Format Two Worlds - Multi Format Star Ocean 4 - multi Format Cross Edge - PS3 Exclusive Tears to Tiara: Kakan no Daichi - PS3 Exclusive Fallout 3 - Multi Format X Quest - PS3 Exclusive Alpha Protocol - PS3 Exclusive Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 - PS3 Exclusive Alien -- RPG Project - Multi Format Arcania: A Gothic Tale - PS3 Exclusive Big Huge Games RPG - PS3 Exclusive Borderlands - Multi Format DC Universe - PS3 Eclusive Elveon - Multi Format Free Realms - PS3 Exclusive The Last Remnant - Multi Format Rise of the Argonauts - Multi Format Already Out: Disgaea 3 - PS3 Eclusive Valkyria Chronicles - PS3 Exclusive Encharted arms - Multi Format And you say PS3 has no RPG's.
Not sure about all that list, but Star Ocean 4 has no plans for PS3. Dont fool yourself into thinking that the PS3 has a great library of RPGs out or coming soon. Sony needs to get on the ball with RPGs and fast. Many assumed that the PS3 would be the place to go for RPGs this gen and so far it isnt looking that way. I am really wanting FFXIII, but I would also like more JRPGs to come out.
As soon as you mentioned Star Ocean 4 as multiplatform you can see your intention. Fail! Not even going to bother reading that list of games that don't have release dates. I wouldn't be surprised if you have FFXV and FFXVI on it.
Star Ocean 4 not multiplat? Oh really? I think you're both wrong there. If that were the case, both MS and SE would be touting it as a full exclusive. Neither one has. Not in any of the press releases. Only SE mentioned that they would not discuss if it were coming to the PS3. And they did so at a MS event. This is no different than when Epic was purposely vague on UTIII for the 360. Even going as far as to say they haven't even began working on it. Everyone knew it was coming to that system but because Epic had an exclusive agreement with Sony they wouldn't discuss it.
star ocean 4 exclusivity is up in the air, alpha protocol is multiformat, marvel ultimate alliance 2 is multiformat, arcania is multiformat, Big Huge Games rpg is multiformat, free realms multiplat, probably more on that list, but these jumped up as clear flaws to me
1: GEC, you are a complete, ignorant retard who doesn't read MOST things that don't fit into your view of gaming ("we all better be 360 fans or else"), so that "I'm not going to read that list" just doesn't surprise me coming from you. 2: Not only is SO4's exclusivity up in the air, but SE never did close the door on anything about a PS3 version. They only said "we may or may not". And remember about SE giving everyone exclusives (with the PS3 getting their marquee title as exclusive, FFXIII). By the way, GEC, we're going to get a date at E3 for FFXIII, I can sense it.
give this article maybe even a thought if they shown the comparison at least instead of saying 360 is gettin more support of rpgs than the ps2 which is a statement that ruins the entire credibility of the article in itself. lol @ disagrees, Som1 tell me this VAST library of rpg games the 360 has.
While its not really vast it is pretty considerable. Mass Effect Eternal Sonata Blue Dragon Enchanted Arms Lost Oddyseey Phantasy Star online Final Fantasy 11 Oblivion Overlord -- not sure if its a rpg but its kinda like it Dark Messiah Kingdom Under Fire Operation Darkness ________________________ Coming soon Fable 2 Fallout 3 Spectral Force 3 cry on Infinite Undiscovery Tales of Vesperia Star Ocean 4 The Last Remanent Sacred 2 Rise of the Argonauts Mass Effect 2 Too Human Anyway I hate doing list but chose to only name games that we know will come out. It seem like Microsoft its trying to capture the rpg crowd by giving them a myriad of rpgs that the competition does not provide.
at least som1 had the balls to show me something which like you said isnt very vast. 4 of those games are ps3 games also and half of the upcoming 1s are on ps3 as well so I dont see how the ps3 is really lacking if you have a ps3 and want rpg games youll find them they are there and good 1s I may add. I think every1 forgeting also the exclusive deal Sony made with NCsoft the leading company behind MMORPGs soon ppl will be complaining that all the ps3 has are rpgs.
u are aware that most of those games are multiplatform right?
I did not intent on stating that the ps3 had no rpgs or will not have any rpgs. I was just trying to state how if you are a fan or rpgs you will really do yourself a disservice by not giving yourself a chance to enjoy the great ones on the Xbox 360. The system has so far shown that it will deliver and continue to deliver a wide variety of rpgs. Edit : yes I know alot of those are multiplatform but I also know how the ones that are exclusive are also really good. Like fable 2 with its revolutionary features, Star Ocean with its jaw dropping graphics, Infinite and Tales with their unique art styles and good rpg lineage. Hell an rpg like mass effect has never been done before and Lost oddysey and Blue dragon are from the godfather of rpgs.
for at least making a good arguement or showing me something which this article did not. Just throw and make accusations and nothing backing it up, to many of these articles these days and they keep getting approved.
Ncsoft isnt even in the top 3 Blizzard is the worlds #1 MMO producer.
as long as the games are good like Sony's 08 and 09 lineup. Even with MS's third party support it isnt as good as Sony's games coming out. So this article is awesome faneboy bait. Next.
all this little blog statements are taken from bigger article in around the web. they just expand it more with I guess facts or not.
The amount of BULLSH1T fud and negative, anti Ps3 articles from the 360 fanboys has really ramped up here again on N4G, since Metal Gear Solid 4 came out?
it's doesn't matter the side. both sides bring out the negatives.
Yup, anything to make themselves feel better and go to sleep at night. "Nooo mommy, MGS4 got another 10/10!" "Why honey, why don't you just buy it for your xbox?" "wahhhhhhhhhhhh"
but im sure when Sony does drop a exclusive RPG it will blow the doors of most others in this class of game They did it with Warhawk in terms of online WAR The did it again with MGS in terms of Stealth action Uncharted=Action adventure The Show=Sports im sure when the big RPG's are done after the 2-3 years it takes to make one the PS3 will recieve a winner. They do have the best percentage of games ranked in the 80's! The system isnt even two years old! Give it time RPG's are huge and complex games when done right!
MGS4 perfect reviews from! 10/10 from kombo 10/10 from gamespot 10/10 from IGN 10/10 from Playstation Official Magazine UK 10/10 from GamePro 10/10 from Playstation: The Official Magazine (US) 10/10 from Game Informer 10/10 from Gameplayer 10/10 from Console Monster 10/10 from PSX Extreme 10/10 from AceGamez 10/10 from Famitsu 10/10 from MeriStation (Spain) 10/10 from PlayStation Beyond 10/10 from Empire Online 10/10 from neocrisis 10/10 from Rise of Games 10/10 from pocket-lint 10/10 from gamespot(UK) 10/10 from JeuxVideo.FR 10/10 from bingegamer(BG) 10/10 from PSU 10/10 from Dubious (104%) 10/10 from 411 10/10 from X-Play 10/10 from PlayStationLifeStyle.net 10/10 from Eurogamer Portugal 10/10 from Loot Ninja 10/10 from PST (www.psturkiye.org) 10/10 from ME (megamers.com) 10/10 from 360-Entertainment 10/10 from jv.org 10/10 from Level 26 10/10 from PSM (Italy) 10/10 from Playr (bravo uk) 10/10 from ReelGamers 10/10 from Sl!ceGaming 10/10 from Sci Fi 10/10 from Giant Bomb 10/10 from Maxim Online 10/10 from Thunderbolt Games 10/10 from TheSixthAxis 10/10 from Lawrence 10/10 from Digital Chumps 10/10 from get2sammyb.co.uk 10/10 from Hooked Gamers 10/10 from GamingAge 10/10 from QJ.Net 10/10 from G4 TV
how is that related to the article?
easy, there is a picture of rayden and he is on MGS4!! u see the relation now??
I think he means you don't need a bunch of third party exclusives, you just need a few good ones. I am really getting tired of how MS is reaching for their wallets so much these days, I hope Sony does the same as I miss the PS2 JRPG era.
lol @ 1.2 more than half of those reviews aren't even gonna enter gamerankings unfortunately also the article discusses exclusivity in a general way, it doesn't talk about the quality of the exclusives (lol @ haze & lair), everyone knows mgs4 is a masterpiece
How could you spend so much time doing that which btw has NOTHING to do with this thread.
"I think he means you don't need a bunch of third party exclusives, you just need a few good ones. " Like Nintendo right? I would agree with that, as long as I get a few good quality First party games and a few good third party exclusives , that works for me, on any of the consoles. "I am really getting tired of how MS is reaching for their wallets so much these days, I hope Sony does the same as I miss the PS2 JRPG era." All I got to say is, it ai'nt over yet...the JRPG era on the PS2 that is, NIS ans Atlus still love the PS2 for that. I mean, more JRPGs came out on the PS2 this last year then where announced on the PS3, lol
There wouldn't be a problem, and making on newer system takes time, that or go the easy root and make on PC box 2 with M$ money leading the development.
That's a great list dude. What a superb game MGS IV is. But in your zeal you forgot the 'increasing list that no one wants to talk about' Here it is for you: (no need to thank me, friend) 80/100 GameDaily 80/100 games(TM) 80/100 EuroGamer 80/100 Edge Magazine 80/100 Boomtown 80/100 GameCritics 80/100 Total video games 70/100 (Metal gear online) Eurogamer
But a PS3 or dont! Either or Having 1 leg is always better than having Empty Wallet!
Sony needs to realize this gen is completely different from last gen. Sony does not have the dominance it once had. The PS3 is more complex and more expensive to develop for as compared to the 360 Sony needs to start paying for more exclusives from third party, because that loyalty crap is last gen when ps2 was dominating. It all comes down to what your in house studio can produce and what exclusive games you can buy from third parties.
yes, very correct. there is that need to have that on game that will blow away the competition. it can be from all fronts. it doesn't have to be just rpgs. just wait and see what they bring up and the others as well.
if the only negative stuff they can come with is lack of RPG's or whatever other stuff you have read then let it go, i dont remember the negative stuff because most of it is PR flaimbate or some 360fanB with a job typing stuff onto a small unknown website. If your a RPG fan i guess you might take this as bad news or a bad turn of events....like i said above i can really care less
Funny thing is that the author completely ignored the multiple articles in the past half year ALL stating that 3rd party exclusivity is very very scare this gen. Most 3rd party devs build only multiplat games to compensate for the higher dev costs. Additionally the article fails to deliver the touted "huge list of 360 3rd party exclusives", not surprisingly as there is none cause 3rd party devs don't do exclusive anymore(with some very very few exceptions, and these have been paid by one or the other faction). The only group that is doing exclusives are the 1st and 2nd party dev teams. Funny how they take a complete arbitrary random selection process to make something look bad, when in essence due to the HUGE number of studios working exclusively for Sony its anything but bad. Its funny how 20+ exclusive first party studios + 4-5 3rd party exclusive studios is now suddenly worse than 2 exclusive first party studios + 10 3rd party exclusives (that ende up being not exclusives a few month after). In my book that still results in 25 exclusives for one side compared to 12 on the other, but yes, 12 is more than 25, suuuure.
Sales in the last 6 months: Wii: 8M (266% more than 360) PS3: 4M (33% more than 360) 360: 3M The only console that's actually doing worse than before is the 360. In fact, if you look at the same 12 month stretch in the lifecycle, the proportion of sales is just about exactly the same which suggests (but does not guarantee) that the 360 is the least liked by the consumers and by quite a margin. Doesnt look good for Microsoft. To make matters worse, Microsoft will have a tough time cutting costs on the 360 now that they went back to an outside company to redesign the boards (originally designed in-house) to make it less unreliable at the cost of giving up full control of the product (which affects the ability to cut costs). Just goes to show that cutting corners and nickel-and-diming your customers to death is not a great way to succeed.
That only because MS is being greedy making money on each console sold and not doing more than a measly 50 buck price drop after almost three years.... While Sony is losing money on each console sold and has already had TWO price drops within the first year. Maybe after E3 the 360 with have the price drop to reach the proven mass market "sweet spot" of $199.... then we'll see ;)
Unless they drop the price of the Premium and include a 60 GB harddrive and price the whole thing at $299...then the Xbox 360 has no chance to beat to PS3 or Wii. The PS3 will drop to $299 before years end...heck the 80 GB PS3 MGS4 bundle is $499 and is sold out everywhere....just like the wii and wii fit...Xbox 360 consoles are now just sitting on the shelves and gathering dust. And how do you know Sony is losing money on each PS3 sold? They might has already broken even...
And that the last time I checked is the LARGEST video game market in the world you toolbox
You must not have checked recently. Asia and Europe are both bigger now. :P The US isn't the only country in the world that matters. Welcome to the global economy.
Bzzzzzt!. Fail. The USA is still the biggest video game market. Maybe it will be different in 5-10 years time....
IM FINE WITH THE 1ST PARTY GAMES AND AS WELL THE 3RD PARTIES THAT ARE CLOSE WITH SONY.. UBISOFT, EA, ETC... 360 CAN HAVE EM. JUST GARBAGE... EVEN ASSASSINS CREED.. LORD WHAT A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT.. MADDEN? LMAO.. SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE MISSING? GEARS OF WAR? THATS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.. AND ILL PLAY THAT WITH MY UBER PC THAT COSTS 50000000 ... OH ANDI USE THE 360 CONTROLLER WITH ADAPTER FOR MY PC GAMES SO NO DIFFERENCE... *FANBOY ABOVE... NO NEED TO POINT THIS OUT LIKE AN IDIOT.
MGS4 is out, it's a success, it actually pulled off that ridiculous ultimatum of 1 million sales in a day, you're pissed off about it, and the only way to vent your anger is to come up with ANYTHING to bathe the system in a negative light. Because no matter what this article says about the PS3 RPG situation, as crazy as it sounds, do you think it even comes close to the situation Microsoft is dealing with in Japan? And like Microsoft in Japan, the RPGs are coming... so how about you stop complaining and just wait for them?
Blah, Blah, Blah. Does this idiot realize most 3rd party companies are going multiplat? First/second party development is where the key differences occur, and thats where Nintendo and Sony have the advantage over Microsoft.
Yes it has been said they are all going multiplatform for 3 years now yet we continue to hear about exclusives and timed exclusives. All the ones bit*ing about MS thowing money around need to understand if that was the case for every exclusive out they would have to make it public that money was exchanged for exclusive. Don't get mad that the 360 is the new PS2 this generation. Just the way it has always worked. Enjoy gaming and quit bit*hing.
Quality over quantity.
is because 1: It's easy to develop for, and 2: Microsoft throws money around like trash, who wouldn't want to work with MS? I don't know what Sony's planning, but they better wise-up. Or maybe they have something else in store, who knows.
If third-party games weren't generally garbage, I'd be bothered by this. Hopefully there'll be more quality third-party software coming to the PS3 as dev kits improve, but believe me, I'm not gonna be slitting my wrists over not getting to play OPERATION DARKNESS. :P
i don't think the ps3s 3rd party support is all that bad; and couple it with their incredible 1st party support and they'll be fine. microsoft has larger problems than sony with their poor 1st party support. yea, they survive on third-party right now. but, how many games made by other devs using the unreal engine do they get before they start looking the same? all i know is i've gotten ratchet, uncharted, warhawk, MGS4 and GTA4 in last 8 months. and have LBP, bioshock(with new content), RE5, KZ2, resistance 2, GoW3, FF13, FFvs,motorstorm2, mafia2, heavy rain, WKC, wardevil all coming in next 12-17 months.(and i'm omitting lots of games that i'm forgetting. i think i'll be pretty happy with those.
COLDBLOODED! your as cold as ice Ps3 3rd > 360 1st......nice
Sony doesn't care about the hardcore fans anymore. It's obvious with every move they've made as of late. Eightdays Getaway Heavenly Sword All would have appealed to the hardcore crowed without online and I applauded them no having online in any of them. I am sick of online gun downs with idiots. Sony isn't going to waste anymore money on RPG's, exclusives or anything of use to their fanbase cause they're going to redirect all their assest into 10 min mini games on the PSN and new queer games to be played with their absurd motion controller they're coming out with. What a piese of ****! I am so offically sick of Sony it's not even funny.
When the Xbox360 reaches $199 Microsoft will learn why the online feature of the original xbox failed to win people over from the PS2 even though the PS2 didnt even have online. People who are waiting for the $199 price point are not willing to shell out $50/yr (or 25% of the console's cost) for online. Unlike the "hardcore" shooter fans, who are also the type who happily pay $600 every couple of years to upgrade their PC graphics card, most consumers are very sensitive to being nickel-and-dimed. This is why Sony made online free. They know that most consumers do not know or care enough about online to pay 25% of the hardware cost every year yet Sony want to provide a high enough quality of service that people will be compelled to use it when they can. This is similar to the strategy that many cable companies have taken with Video on Demand. In other words, at the $199 price-point, the PS3 with free online will sell much better than the XBox360 with $50/yr online.
That's a nice theory you have there. What you are saying is that consumers, at $199 per console, have less 'price elasticity of demand' for online gaming costs. That is most likely true. There is, however, a major flaw in your little spiel. Can you guess what it is? Yep. well done. The PS3 is nowhere near this $199 price point and it won't reach it for a number of years. In fact, the 360 will reach $199 MUCH sooner than the ps3. At the current price, the ps3 is losing money. Do you really think the ps3 will be reduced to $199 within the next 2 years? Don't forget that in 2 years time it will be (nearly) 2011. Will that be too late to put into effect the online advantage you mentioned? I heard a rumour that the 720 would come out in 2011/2012.... Ironically, the 360 will take advantage of this price point well before the ps3, despite there being truth in what you said.
... despite the higher price and the fact that significant reduction in parts cost is very difficult for Microsoft now that they've had to give up some ownership of the hardware (after the 33% failure rate debacle) Microsoft's gaming division will have to be willing to lose even more money in order to beat the PS3 in parts cost. It's much easier to go from $399 to $299 than from $299 to $199, particularly if mid-way you had to change your hardware design (and give up some control over parts cost) because you cut too many corners the first time (resulting in a 33% failure rate). As for the PS3, Sony has done a typically superb job on the hardware design and manufacturing (no surprises there) and it's entirely feasible that they will be at component cost parity with the Xbox360 in less than 18 months. Just look at the PSone and PStwo. Sony is simply far better at reducing costs without compromising quality. All evidence shows that Microsoft is not good at cost reduction. Part of the reason is that Sony has been a master at hardware manufacturing for decades It will be difficult for Microsoft to break even at $199 unless many of their customers pay the additional $50/yr for online. Microsoft's best strategy would be to charge $10-$12/month (with a two year contract) for online play (thworing in some freebies and discounts) and give away the Xbox360. It would be a daring move but it would be more profitable in the long run. Furthermore, they are the only console manufacture who is experienced in managing online subscriptions. An even more interesting option for them, given that they alrea