90°

Why I think Microsoft buying Minecraft isn't all doom and gloom

After Microsoft confirmed they are buying Mojang and Minecraft for $2.5 billion, next to no details have actually been announced for it. Following the speculations and worries of the community, Liam from gamercrowd writes about why this acquisition, isn't such a bad thing after all.

Read Full Story >>
gamercrowd.net
martinezjesus19933931d ago

It isnt. Its just that with 2.5 billion dollars they could have invested on multiple studies to bring multiple new exclusives. I need more games on my xbox one!!

OpieWinston3931d ago (Edited 3931d ago )

Microsoft authorized the 2.5 Billion.

Not Microsoft Studios or Xbox.

MICROSOFT as a whole sees the potential in Mojang.

Mojang as a developer will be helping Microsofts Software sales indeed.
Future games will be exclusive to Xbox/PC.

BUT Minecraft has a ton of potential from a profits standpoint. It's the new lego.
Lego Movie made over $460 Million worldwide with a budget of $60 Million at a time where Lego isn't very popular. Lego used to be like crack for kids, but now Minecraft is.

Imagine the Minecraft movies....TV shows.
Profits from Servers(Azure Servers)
Product Lines(Minecraft Lego is launching this November)

Minecraft is crack for kids.

You do realize Microsoft Studios invested over $1 Billion in it's first tier of games, and will continue to invest big money into it. They've got over $84 Billion in offshore cash.
Microsoft has opened up 6 studios.
They've bolstered the Black Tusk workforce to 150 employees
They're constantly hiring for Lionhead/BlackTusk/343i(Look at job postings).

They're going to continue to invest in multiple studios while also utilizing their Rare IPs like they're doing with Phantom Dust(Not a Rare IP) and Killer Instinct.

GAMES are coming to X1. Got to be a bit patient and be thankful for what's on the horizon.

ThatOneGuyThere3931d ago

"Microsoft authorized the 2.5 Billion. Not Microsoft Studios or Xbox. "
...
"You do realize Microsoft Studios invested over $1 Billion in it's first tier of games, and will continue to invest big money into it. They've got over $84 Billion in offshore cash. "

Your nonsense has confused yourself. XBox/MS Studios does not have 84B in cash, Microsoft does. How can you have 84B in cash for something that has a net loss? Microsoft owns the XBox brand. The money doesnt come from XBox, it comes from MS. Stop pretending they're not the same. XBox could not stand on its own legs. MS is quickly running out of reasons to support the XBox brand in its current state.

If I had to guess, I would guess this acquisition is the beginning to the long and slow death of the XBox brand as it exists today. Microsoft leadership is going to prove to the board that they don't need the XBox brand to become highly successful in the gaming world. They're going to do it for far cheaper than XBox has cost them, and be far more profitable. After all, the entire mission of the original XBox project was to win the living room before Apple did. However, its not about the living room anymore. It's about mobile.

dcbronco3931d ago

I actually disagreed with the purchase initially. But if the stories of fan based mods selling for serious cash and 100 million PC users are true, then this will make Microsoft money. I'm not sure about about their by fiscal years end talk, but I also had no idea so much was spent on this game outside of Mojang's revenue. It also makes even more sense that they sold it. A small developer would have a terrible time trying to police the modding. Microsoft could quickly bring that under one roof.

Godmars2903931d ago

If anything, Xbox fans should be concerned that MS proper has just invested a massive sum in a project which is separate from the Xbox brand. What's going to happen to a division which has been a money sink if a new and similar project sees an immediate return.

MrPink20133930d ago (Edited 3930d ago )

Godmars, Xbox fans should be worried?

Basically what that means is your not an Xbox fan because your directing your comments forward. Which to me means you have no interest in this deal being positive. So let me ask you, should Nintendo fans be worried about the Wii U lack of sales and lack of software? Should Sony fans be worried Sony just announced they forecast yet another 2 billion in losses? A company that might not even exist in a few years or might be reduced to a services only company?

This doom and gloom attitude is getting old. Xbox fans are getting the royal treatment for the biggest game right now. Xbox fans are also getting Forza Horizon 2 which looks excellent, as well as Sunset Overdrive and Halo collection. All coming this year. Along with all the other third party popular games. So now what, are you going to become an Xbox fan now or just keep making pessimistic comments towards them?

BitbyDeath3930d ago (Edited 3930d ago )

@MrPink (cool name btw), both Ninty and Sony have a ton of money to keep em going.

Both Sony and Ninty want to hang onto their gaming divisions and the loss you speak of for Sony is from a separate division (phones).

Xbox is a division that loses more money than it makes and is starting to be treated like a red headed step child by its parent (Microsoft).

This is where GodMars was pointing too.

Deflect all you want but you know it is true.

dcbronco3930d ago

People that still believe Xbox loses money should do a little research into how consoles make money and then edit your comments. As for the Sony and Nintendo having plenty of cash to keep them going comment......hahaha. That is truly funny. I should upbubble you for that one. Just because the loses are coming from other divisions it doesn't mean it doesn't effect PlayStation. PlayStation profit does go to the company as a whole and vice versa. A half billion loss for a company that has bled cash for over five years and was projecting a profit is not good.

This could cause Kaz his job. There have been calls to replace him in the past and this could make it happen. This could also cause the Japanese government to go through with their threat to delist Sony. That is when the real trouble starts.

MrPink20133930d ago (Edited 3930d ago )

BitbyDeath, how is the Xbox brand bring treated like a red headed stepchild by Microsoft? If anything having Phil Spencer at the helm shows Microsofts willingness to hear feedback. Acquiring Tomb Raider in a timed exclusive deal where these things costs lots of money now also shows they are Willing to spend money on areas Nintendo and Sony don't seem to want as much. There are no signs of the Xbox One desecrating so where are the signs of this exactly?

What happens after the Xbox One is anyone's guess. Nintendo isn't making money in the Wii U and gaming is all they have to fall back on. Furthermore gaming isn't making Sony much money. Most of their earnings come from movies and insurance. The thing is Microsoft can afford to keep pumping money into Xbox if Nintendo doesn't make money in games they will cease to exist. Either having to become a third party software company or be forced to focus on handheld. Sony has bigger issues, the company once known for TV and electronics is becoming irrelevant. They also have the burden of being Japanese where honor and keeping jobs come into question. Firing people and trimming everything that isn't making money is going to be very difficult for Sony who still want to be known as a major company even if it means more losses. Console sales in Japan are also in decline and the lowering value of the yen certainly isn't helping. Kaz will be gone just like the many other CEO before him as if late and the guy running Nintendo should be fired.

We hear this every generation how Microsoft can't keep the Xbox yet they are still here. They still get far more software support than Nintendo too who you say is all about gamers, lol. Microsoft got EA Access, they have monthly hardware updates. What have Nintendo and Sony been doing this last year that makes you think they are doing more for the owners of their consoles besides delays?

After the PS4 Sony could turn into a service provider. PSNow shows the irrelevance of hardware much more than Microsoft buying minecraft.

Halo2ODST23930d ago

No one cares about 343, they should be getting Fired

+ Show (5) more repliesLast reply 3930d ago
MrPink20133930d ago

Where exactly are you getting that notion it's one or the other? They are still making games with parties like Remedy and Insomniac. What exactly is Nintendo doing? That's why I laugh at how much flack Microsoft gets no matter what they do but yet we don't see nearly as much controversy over what Nintendo is doing.

It's like Sony is doing everything right, Microsoft is doing everything wrong while we ignore Nintendo and what's going on with the PC. Microsoft just added another studio along with what is perhaps the biggest ip right now, bigger than Halo, but the responses are they should have instead...

So when exactly did this site turn into Sony versus Xbox?

Mystogan3930d ago

I don't think Minecraft is a Microsoft Studios acquisition. I think it will be treated separately from other Microsoft Studios.

itisallaboutps3931d ago (Edited 3931d ago )

2.5 billion dollars. Let that sink in.

They will have to make that back plus extra revenue. But they also know they can't piss on the consumer. I am interested to see what they do with it

But again investors had to agree with the purchase and that is what throws me off a lot

user3672723931d ago (Edited 3931d ago )

MS can buy a cure for Cancer and give them out to help the sick and somehow people still will find negative with it.

Apple bought beats for over 2 billions and Amazon bought Twitch for god know how much but no one seems to think that is bad until MS does it. A franchise that sold over 50 millions on PC and is constantly at the top of Live activity and sold over 13 millions just on x360 since its launch is a huge IP and MS will make it even bigger. Ms has over 90 billiln in cash reserved so how is this doom and gloom for them? It is not like they barrowed money or selling other assets like buildings in order to buy it.

DigitalRaptor3931d ago (Edited 3931d ago )

It can't be completely Xbox-related, it's got to have something to do with their entire ecosystem. Even still, it's a massive gamble, since Minecraft has made most of its money already and last year Mojang made $129 million off the IP. With that trajectory, it would take them 2 decades to make back the investment.

So in reality, Microsoft has spent $2.5 billion on an IP that has already more or less peaked. Minecraft was a "right place, right time" kind of creation, and the studio won't bring out another hit like it again. So in reality, the people on here who have been hating on Sony's "indie" direction and focus should let it sink in that Microsoft has spent $2.5 billion on an indie developer with an uncertain future.

That's more of an investment than they've put towards AAA exclusives on Xbone. Just keen to put things in perspective based on all that we've heard over the past few months.

ziggurcat3931d ago

it's not really doom, and gloom... but i think it shows a lack of confidence in their own studios if they'd rather spend 3+ billion on keeping titanfall exclusive, paying for times exclusivity for tomb raider, and buying minecraft/mojang.

that money would be better spent investing in more new IPs, really...

DevilOgreFish3931d ago

they should have invested it into project spark, it's newer. with more money they could make more themes out of the tool, cell shaded, realistic, and rustic. it's got way more potential.

annus3930d ago

And that's why you don't run a multi-billion dollar business.

Minecraft is so well established. Look at its sales, its platforms, its merchandise, its a brand name that so many people know, it even has a conference. You can't name a single new IP that even comes close to Minecraft in ANY of those terms.

MS could make some new features and slap a 2 at the end of the name and sell millions of copies in an instant across most of the platforms.

ziggurcat3930d ago

no, you build your brand (in this case, xbox) by taking risks, and investing in new ideas, not resting on the laurels of an existing franchise that requires no thought/effort or innovation to the industry.

annus3930d ago

'Building your brand' doesn't exactly come into play when you are a multi-billion dollar company that is one of the largest, most well-known companies in the world. It's about making money now, not about being known.

This also isn't some impulsive buy, if you don't think MS had some of the worlds best people looking over this deal you are a fool. There is clearly money to be made.

Show all comments (25)
260°

AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

Read Full Story >>
clouddosage.com
Obscure_Observer2d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK2d ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent752d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM2d ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif2d ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer2d ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin1d 23h ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Agent752d ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer2d ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 20h ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 1d ago
Fishy Fingers2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer2d ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

HyperMoused2d ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher2d ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning772d ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay2d ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer1d 23h ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 1d 23h ago
Show all comments (39)
210°

Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

21d ago
21d ago
lukasmain21d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198121d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK20d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts20d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK20d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

21d ago
Show all comments (19)
410°

Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

Read Full Story >>
windowscentral.com
23d ago
23d ago
23d ago
shadowT23d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits23d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel123d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic22d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN22d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel122d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica23d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14922d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga22d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 22d ago
CrashMania23d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts23d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7723d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7722d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts22d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7722d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb22d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

+ Show (4) more repliesLast reply 22d ago
BLow23d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
...
As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

23d ago
Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago (Edited 22d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

22d ago
1Victor22d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 22d ago
Show all comments (77)