Those who gave lower-than-typical scores to Metal Gear Solid 4 are catching plenty of flak for their decision, and one of them explains himself. However, there are two sides to every coin, and PSXE talks about the other possibility...
The thing I find funny, is they wanted to make an example to show their sites weren't biased. I mean, we all can see thru that transparent tactic, but why didn't they do it with GTA4? Wouldn't that have made more sense. A multi platform game, fighting big corporation bully tactics on the review scores. No, they waited for the Ps3 exclusive to do it. I'm not stupid and their tactics are so watered down it quenches dehydration.
but i have a situation on my hands and if any one can help me out it would be great. i want to know how or if you can transfer items between save points. like say i go back and play one of my saved games and i find a new item, how can i get that item i just found onto one of my more recent saves? if you guys want to know how to get raidens face camo, laughing octopus's face camo, the camera, or octagons face camo, just hit me up if you dont know how to get it, and if your intrested : ) EDIT: someone agreed with me, but im looking for help! please help! lol.
(Potential MGS4 spoiler...small one, but don't read below if you haven't finished Act II of the game yet) there is a trick to getting the face camo from laughing octopus?...I thought he just picks it up right after, and then Drebin does something to make it work for you... I was using it the whole time when you are tracking naomi after defeating laughing octopus (which was an awesome boss fight)...and I didn't know you could get Raiden's face mask thing either...which sounds awesome...that scene with him and Vamp is still awesome, even though the entire sequence was shown over a year ago...
Well said Silogon. I'll give you a bubble for that. You earned it.
I respect his opinion but I truly cant look to his reviews and descern anything for myself. An 8 isnt a bad score by any means but it doesnt fit this title. Its quite a bit better than an 8. Like i said hes entitled to his opinion but it is one that I dont agree with. I wont be reading anything from him because we obviously dont share the same opinions.
8 - GOOD game, i REPEAT GOOD. 8-9 - a game between GOOD and GREAT. 9 - GREAT game. 9-10 - a game between GREAT and MASTERPIECE. 10 - MASTERPIECE. You COMPLAINING, that at WORST case MGS4 is a GOOD game? =))) Come on people ENJOY the game, FORGET the scores, GR and Mc SCORES matter only to FANBOYS. Moreover, it`s just an OPINION. Some people THINK, that MGS4 is GOOD and MANY, that MGS4 is GREAT or even a MASTERPIECE. What the PROBLEM here??? The scores matter only to those who haven`t played the game, IF you played and LIKED it, isn`t that the MOST important thing? =) The scores DOESN`T make the game worse or better.
EXACTLY. I am beginning to suspect the guy didn't play the game fully because he made a lot of controversial statements. And non of his comments seem to go beyond act 1. It would have been better if he was a 360 fanboy who rated the game badly for that reason and he had just shut up and gone back to playing COD4/Halo 3 or whatever game he is into. Instead he felt the need to call out other reviewers who clearly enjoyed the game more than he did. Gamedaily was a crappy site before but this guy just made it a whole lot worse for them
An 8 being a good game is a good thing. I agree with that in most cases, but in this case I really have to disagree because this really is a game for all. It is way higher than an 8 and by giving it an 8 will make casuals pass on it when they shouldn't. This is at least a 9.8 and I am only in the 2nd chapter in the game. The story has completely sucked me in and now it has become a mission for me to complete the next stage so I can keep going. Very rarely does that happen in a game. Usually its the game play that is fun but for the first time (Yes I have played all MGS games)I really am anxious to see what happens next with the story. The Movie and Gaming elements in MGS4 have been fused together to make the best gaming experience ever in the history of gaming. Thats where I have a falt with the score. This has never been done to the level it is in MGS4.
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games - WII Avg Ratio: 67% 4,533,574 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games - DS Avg Ratio: 68% 2,146,396 But looks like scores DOESN`T have THAT big effect on sales. =)) Moreover, First day MGS4 sales are 1,5 mln. and First week probably 2,5 mln. MANY people will play MS4, that is for sure. =) Maybe not all will rike it, but many will try. =] MGS4 will easy pass 5 mln. by the end of 2008, no matter what scores will be. =))
cant believe this argument is still going on. after now playing through (and completing) MGS4 i personally think you'd need to be dillusionial to give a review score of less than 9. still... reviewers are entitled to their opininon, personally i'm still stuck on chris buffas remarks that this game needs to be less like MGS and look more at what the competition is doing. LUDICROUS remark, honestly.
I agree with that sometimes it's like someone who loves first person shooters reviewing a real time strategy game. The review usually turns out a lot worse than it should.
maybe if this was an xbox exclusive he would have given it a 10. he sounds bias
What I find strange is that three out of the four 8's that MGS4 received were from UK magazines Eurogamer, Edge and Games(TM). The fourth 8 being from Gamedaily. That is quite a coincidence. Maybe there is a bias there. I don't know what their reasoning could be but it doesn't seem right. 75% of the lowest scores coming from one small region is definitely fishy.
He sounds like he loves microsoft to me.... Th-a-a-a-ts a g-g-g-o-o-o-d thing.. 00000001010100100 BANG!! BOOM!!! "dead PC"<--- Running Windows.
It was nice to see a response to the whole Chris Buffa story from another review source. If I was a reviewer I would've taken extreme offense to what Buffa was dishing out in his interview. Buffa is as famous now as he ever will be, therefore accomplishing his original goal, and I hope we can all be done with this BS soon.
Exactly. Callin another reviewers review as BS is plain wrong.
i love the game and that's all that matters to me. Camel Toes FTW!!!
HELL yeah, Hideo Kojima ROCKS for giving the women in MGS4 CAMEL TOE....THAT is character detail, people!!!! I bet he paid his character artists a bonus for including it.
Did you notice that they jiggle too... on their own, btw! Especially, Mantis chick... but i wouldnt touch her... she might eat me, if you know what i mean. Yes, it's the literal meaning not the urban one. The four women are F***ed up!!! Mei Ling FTW!!!
Really, you can't play this game and give it an 8. Honestly this game deserves a 9 at the lowest.
Completely agree. I've completed the game twice and already started in on my 3rd, and it's just as spectacular now as it was the first time. I still get chills of excitement during the chases and certain epic boss fights of the game.
I'm impressed Xiphos! I work full time, so I'm only on Act 3 my first time through. Unbelievable game though. It's only the second game I bought for my PS3 (bought it when GTA4 came out) and it justified the expense by itself.
i'm half way through the second time around and i will say it is my favorite game of all time and has tons of variety it is simply lunacy to give this game anything below a 9 but in my eyes it is a 10 and i wiil judge all games that follow by its standards
I only wish we could watch all the cinematics in a gallery option or something like Subsistence... I'll be on my second run and i'll probably make several save points just to replay the cinematics again.
Now we have reviewers bashing other reviewers opinions? Wow. Journalism reaches an all time low. Reviews = OPINIONS. Everyone needs to learn that. You can't please everyone all the time.
The only controversy here is for those people who just cannot wrap their little heads around the phenomenon that is the MGS saga and the fact that it gets such high scores. Jesus, I mean, it's on the PS3, for God's sake! I can find fault with the graphics if I TRIED. I can find fault with the controls if I TRIED. I can find fault with the overall implementation if I TRIED. But fck, Kojima and his ability to tell a THOUGHT-PROVOKING story is in a class of his own. If I had to play this game on a piece of cardboard with paper cut-outs, it would still be a 10 in my book.
It had faults? o_0
MGS4 is the best game in video game history... If we had to choose a game to represent the BGATO - Best Games of all time Organization, MGS4 would be it. :)
goes to chris duffas
I know some people love to say "everyone's entitled to an opinion", which is true, and the same goes for freedom of speech. However, not everyone's entitled to officially review a game (and actually be given credibility) if that person is going to let his personal preferences mess with the product. I remember how EGM, when they were a credible source, prohibited someone in its staff from reviewing sports games, because he would review them very poorly. That would piss off the game developer, and the gamers that actually like those games. Game reviewers have no business doing game reviews if their reviews are not gonna be fair, balanced, consistent, professional and ethical. It's already suspicious when one magazine or press outlet gives a highly discrepant opinion abot a game, but when they differ from most of the press and gamers' opinions several times, overrating some games and underrating others, then you know there's something fishy going on. Edge, Eurogamer, Gamespot, Gametrailers, Gamedaily, Games TM and EGM/1up as of late are examples of that. My bet is that GameSpot wants brownie points to undo all their dirty deeds. These sources should either stop the hate (which they won't), stop sucking on game companies' d*cks, or change their names to "Xbox Daily", "MicroSpot", "EXdge", "Eurogamer X", "Xbox Trailers", etcetera.
Wow, this game has be fairly enjoyable so far, but it definately isn't close to a 10. The graphics for the most part are good, gameplay controls are "meh". Character animation on snake are so hokey. Sound is pretty good, and the story and cut scenes just suck. You spend almost more time watching these stupid cut scenes than playing the game. The type of game MGS 4 is, doesn't lead to a very exciting game. A linear stealth game just isn't everyone's cup of tea, and MGS 4 does absolutely nothing to improve the genre. MGS 4 is an overly bloated, boring gameplay game. 8 is pretty well a fair score for it. I think I will have a hard time putting the effort in finishing it.
"and the story and cut scenes just suck" Yeah, it requires waay too much mental effort on the player's part. "You spend almost more time watching these stupid cut scenes than playing the game. It takes only TWO button presses to skip them. "The type of game MGS 4 is, doesn't lead to a very exciting game." I know. What's the fun in trying to sneak 12 inches past a guard while camo'd. Especially since I've just climbed out of a garbage can and knowing he could SMELL me at any time. Absolutely NO fun. "MGS 4 does absolutely nothing to improve the genre." Mm, I wonder who STARTED the genre. "Ignored by: 33 users" Why did I even waste my time?
I love how MGS4 has to "improve the genre" (which is does btw) But Halo 3 can be another typical FPS and get a 100/10 from you, right?
Oh agent, you never fail to disappoint with your trivial and asinine drivel, do continue to work mindlessly please.
not exciting? give me a break.
Agent VX doesn't even have a PS3. Every stupid post is always pro-360 anti-ps3 from this guy.
"Shut User Up"
I don't believe for a moment you've played this game at all, (at least a very good portion) because if you had, you wouldn't be posting stupid comments like that. I'm sorry, I'm just feeding the troll.
...WHAT? No...just no.
its funny the first ps3 game to get a sh!t load of 10s and now people are jumping up and down about it. if this game was anounced for the 360 tomorrow we wouldint hear another word about it.
...MGS4 = 9.8/10 MGO = 6/10 The single player game is without question the best single player experience on the 360 or PS3 to date. However, the on-line component does not even come close to rivalling other multiplayer games out there. If MGO was a separate game and did not carry the MGS name/brand then it would not make much of a dent in terms of sales.
In all fairness, i think its kinda just a tac on for fan service. I bet Kojima didn't even wanna do it, but Konami wanted to do because online is all the rage right now. I tell ya what, I love online games, but I feel they have put less of an emphasis on single player games. MGS4 makes me realize how much I miss single player games.
GTA 4 was way overated but nobody said sh*t about it. I really feel the media is still bias against the ps3 this generation. To those who disagree I can only say you are a xbot or a naive person.
I agree Obama. It's not just 360 fanatics but it's the media. I guess they were getting sick and tired of Sony leading the gaming industry. This biased attitude is only going to get worse when Home, in-game XMB, and more games come out.
I agree with one of the guys above. Numerous games have had all ten's this generation, yet this is the first time we hear a guy claim the game gets a free pass? If this would have been the argument for all games that got 10's so far, it would be fine. But wait until the first ps3 game to get all tens and then try to steal its thunder with an excuse like this. Its sickening.
WHOAAA..if you dont have a 46" 1080p LCD then your missing out...the graphics and everything about this game is simply a true masterpeice... 10/10 hands down...i just beat my first boss (which was abit creppy at first )and i dont want 2 ever stop playing....ppl that dont have a PS3 are simply missing out..enough said
Sorry, but any score under 9.5, I would suspect an agenda, but 8, thats just plain insulting. You might as well kick Kojima-San in the balls and tell him he has ugly children. An 8 CAN'T be justified. Even if you hated the movies, no interest in the story, and don't like 3rd person shooters, you would still have to acknowledge the quality, the epic scope, the graphics and sound, all the subtle touches and the sheer ambition of this groundbreaking title. 8 just reeks of biased.
I completely agree with you, bubble up. A 8 for mgs4 is just plain insulting.
i agree with u a 8 for metal gear solid 4 its just [email protected]#$
Chris Buffa's clame to shame. He gets his 15 minutes of fame. The 8 isn't the problem really, it's the dumb comments he made. He seemed to give MGS4 a low score for things that gamers like MGS games for. This reminds me of the idiot who reviewed the PS3 Ratchet & Clank game. He likes sports games so R&C Future got a low score because he doesn't like things that make R&C great. I'm to the point I just hate reviews now. I don't read them now since I knew I wanted R&C Future, GTA IV and MGS4. I think maybe we should all just boycott the reviews. Maybe real gamers should create a free site and everyone just post their free opinions on games. Doesn't that sound like a good idea?
"I think maybe we should all just boycott the reviews. Maybe real gamers should create a free site and everyone just post their free opinions on games. Doesn't that sound like a good idea?" I think this a great Idea. you'd still need a way to moderate it so that way x360 users don't stroll into ps3 section and ps3 users don't stroll into x360 area. So no opinions on games you didn't play. but I dunno how'd ya do it.
Saying that MGS is the best game in history is just an opinion, it wont be eveyones so people need to recognise that not everyone likes the game, you cant force someone to like it because you think its right, leave that for the people spouting jihad
Q: hey what he means with:"Saying that MGS is the best game in history is just an opinion..."? A: He's just saying he is a idiot!...Of course his oppinion is that MGS4 is not the best game because he is a dumbass xbot, that's why... Q: But he says that nobody can be forced to like the game?.. A. but who in the hell is forcing someone to like the game? Saying that the game is the best game ever, is saying that everyone must like the game? Of course not!...Of course there are guys that don't like this game, but that is not the reason to admit that this game is a MASTERPIECE...look at me I, there are games that I don't like but admit that some of them are great! But, despite of I think that every one must have his oppinion and his taste, I must say that in a review, the reviewer must be COMPLETLY UNBIASED, because that is the essence of the unpartial journalism... Q: what you conclude? A: I just conclude these xbots are completly desperate, and saying completly nonsense things, but that's the usual of brainwashed guys!...
You're missing the point!
First of all for him to say the 360 is the greatest console ever already shows me why he gave MGS4 an 8. Also he was nitpicking at every stupid thing about MGS4, come on man ugly looking bottles in the first chapter? I mean wtf man, were u really looking for any little thing like that just to dock points from MGS4? lmao its obvious the guy doesnt like the ps3 and another thing for this idiot. Dont ever say reviewers are giving Kojima a free pass because if u call, "Hard Work" a free pass then u my friend need to close down that piece of sh!t site of yours gamedaily and go do another job because u obviously know nothing about great video games. MGS4 FTW Baby Babyyyyyyyyyyyyy, we Salute u Snake and Hideo Kojima and your Staff for bringing such a masterpiece to us fans. :)
Conclusion: Reviews these days are written either to promote a game or a website.
Really Simple : If i were to Review a Game Franchize I've been playing since PSone GC PS2 PSP and was waiting for the Last Game of the Series The Fanboy in Me Would rise and give the game a 9 and Upper Even If It isnt that great.
I don’t get why every one is making such a big deal out of this. Big name games have always had a couple of less than perfect scores but for some reason this time it’s a huge deal. When the Halo 3 came out most of people gave it perfect marks(or near to them) but a few rated it 8 hell a few gave it 7, fair enough that’s their opinion. Was there huge outrage kicking off about those reviews? GTA4 has been given loads of perfect scores but again some chose to give it an 8 (again going against what most reviewers where giving it). Any conspiracy theories or moaning about those reviews? No. So why is it that when a few guys give MGS4 an 8 it’s like the worst thing that’s happened in gaming history? All those 8’s are from fanboys, haters or people on the MS payroll apparently. I don’t see why so many people are being so negative over what is still a very respectable score. No game is perfect in everyones eyes, that just the way it is, except that and enjoy the game.
MGS4: B- MGS3: B, Subsistence: B+ MGS2: B+ MGS1 (PS1): C+, Twin Snakes: B-
MGS4 is amazing. I had my copy since Friday. At Act 2 at the moment. It is not a FPS shooter where you rush in and shoot the dingus out of anything that move. You have to spend a lot of time crawling in the shadows, lying still, planning your next move. The graphics is awesome. Maybe not as static pictures in screenshots - but in motion this game rocks. That is not to say that the static images looks bad - it is in fact great - more than great. But in motion it owns. There is an awesome amount of weapons. The storyline is deep... but if you don't like it - skip that portion. The install times is not bad - it only happens between Acts - as chapters is called in this game. Giving it an 8 was not unexpected. In fact - check posts - my own - we *knew* that EuroGamer / EDGE and its ilk will give it a low score - and we knew why - it is because it is simply one of the best titles ever, and it is PS3 exclusive. Despite all the waving of arms - and excuses - everyone knows. This game was going to get knocked by a certain segment of the so-called reviewing community - the avid XB360 fan sites / magazines. If it was on the XB360 - these same sites / magazines would have given it 11/10 - and would have hailed it as the end of the PS3. As it is - XB360 is not going to get MGS4 - and therefore - it must be downplayed at any opportunity. Just check Kotaku - they don't even have real MGS news - or anything that could be positive for MGS on their pages really. No mystery people - we expected it, we predicted accurately that it would be 8, because a 7 would show the bias too much. With 8 they can still say - hey we like it - without acknowledging that it is truly the best game on consoles today.
And I can honestly say that any score less than a 9 is simply uncalled for. I have played all the games they claim to be 10 out of 10 and to be honest, none of them can hold a candle to the production value and story/gameplay that is MGS4. Sorry, but if you are going to score games like GTA4 and Bioshock 9 or 10, then MGS4 is definitely a 10, unless of course you are a jaded Xbox fanboy still upset at the exclusivity of the game...
In the year 2007, i was an xbot. I bought Mass Effect, bioshock, halo 3 and gears of war but this 2008 i'm going to be a sony droid. MGS4 gameplay alone is worth 9, come on!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly this people are envious, haha too bad. MGS4 to me is Game of the year 2008 see ya all folks, i'm going to go back playing Mgs4 on Extreme Big Boss!!
Understanding and good judgement are not Universal ......... Personal taste comes into play, and Reviewers are always in the process of learning .... refining Their tastes. I am on the final act of MGS4 and I am totally hooked . From a visceral and esthetic perspective it ROCKS. I don't have to wonder if a game is has me by the balls when it's 3:00 am and I am reluctant to put the controller down........ Negative reviews just like positive ones are good for letting You know about a particular reviewers understanding but they are bad for sales of the game. We will never get clear of this. ........ Perhaps in a few years the fellow that gave this game an 8 will realize he was wrong...... unfortunately the damage has already been done .
to all the reviewers that jumped on the GTA4 bandwagon, not the MGS4 bandwagon!
"Negative reviews just like positive ones are good for letting You know about a particular reviewers understanding but they are bad for sales of the game" I dont think reviews make that much of a difference to a games sales when the title in question has such a devoted followng. As somebody mentioned before look at "Mario and Sonic and the Olympics" sales figures, a game slated in almost every review sells like hot cakes (are hot cakes really that popular?). Most people know if they are gonna buy a game before they read the reviews. Their opinions made up based on previews or previous titles and no review will change their minds. Hell half the people on this site decided MGS4 was game of the year weeks before playing it and then proceeded to get aggressive because someone didnt share their view. Its weird that for a bunch of guys whose only actual connection with Metal Gear is that they have played it (not produced it, programmed it, designed it or had anything to do with its creation) some are really protective over it. Im sure the guys at konami and sony will be so touched by your loyalty and devotion that they will send each of you a free copy of MGS5 upon release....or maybe they will just say "we got given an eight in a review, nevermind, people are still buying our game and making us money".
I think you are completely missing the point here. Us gamers are annoyed simply because there is a lack of respect from someone in the industry who should know better. The reviewer is clearly a non PS3 fan, and previous readings from this guy completely point to that. There, AT LEAST, needs to be some respect or appreciation shown. For example, I don't support Brazil in football, but I sure the hell appreciate what Pele was as a footballer, and his ability I will never question, but I have respect and appreciation for what he has done for football - and this is me, someone who is not a professional footballer, but only someone who plays the game. Now for this guy, who works in the same industry, to come out and say stuff like 'Kojima' gets a free pass, after all the hard work that he is done not only in this game, but in other games, is a complete and utter disrespect. I actually feel embarrassed for Buffas, and everyone assocaited with him.
I have put over 6 hours into act 1. I'm exploring everything. Not to mention I have yet to kill more then 5-10 people. I can't wait to try to beat the game on "The Boss" setting, without killing more then I have to. I hope trophies come out soon! It would be cool if trophies could be obtained for your work in the old MGS games as well. I'd replay them all again.
the mgs4 gamerankings score go back to 93%
Reviews by pompous gamers don't mean dittly squat when it comes down to it. So what if they gave a really good game a 7,8, whatever. Maybe it was a bad day, maybe somebody named snake used to steal their milk money, whatever the case if you wanted the game, you played the game, and you loved the game does it really matter what that person said in hind-sight? Controversy? Come-on. Play It. Love It. Give it your own score. Thats the one that really matters anyways.