Why I Don't Hate Nintendo as Much as Everyone Thinks I Should

Amber writes: "There is a lot of hate going around at the moment for Nintendo, in fact it has been going around for a while now and the question that I get asked the most is "Why do you like them so much? They're rubbish!" My answer is simple. Without Nintendo I don't believe I would be the gamer I am today, in fact I don't think I would have picked up a controller and played as much as I have done since 1997/8."

[masterfox]

I don't hate Nintendo, I hate Iwata, Shigeru Miyamoto and Reggie for screwing up Nintendo from advancing in the game industry, Nintendo shouldn't be a toy, sadly this is what this three morons have made of Nintendo :(

[Crazay]

Look - I have little faith in them right now and I'm more than vocal about that but mostly that's because I expect so much more from them. I got a NES for my 10th birthday and it was the greatest day of my life at that point. I got a SNES the day it came out but then the N64 happened.

Missed street dates, continued delays and design screw ups left a sour taste in my mouth. Gamecube was a great little system with some AMAZING games but they lacked 3rd party support.

Then bring in the Wii. Sure - it was new and interesting and gimmicky even and it sold really well but 3rd party support once again sucked and why? Because they still didn't believe in what Nintendo was trying to do. Which brings us to the Wii U. My god has there ever been a more monumental fustercluck? Nintendo's 3rd party support is nearly non-existent and they're continually relying on their 1st party titles. Ya they're great but it's not enough.

Also, I'm sorry, but that controller for the Wii U is absolute garbage. The battery life is brutal, the range from the base unit is crap and for any extended gaming sessions it's uncomfortable.

So do I have a bit of a hate on for Nintendo right now? Maybe - but they have to stop playing catch up and get back to being an innovator. I expect so much more from them as should everyone else whoever has fond memories of the joy and excitement big N brought them at one time.

[Crazay]

Honestly guys - this is a discussion forum. If you don't agree with me that's cool. I respect that but do me the courtesy of at least telling me why you disagree?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Well, you bash the game pad for a lot of strange reasons, for one.
It's not uncomfortable for long sessions and its range isn't an issue when you'll want to be near your tv anyways. It's the one controller on the market for next gen consoles that literally changes the ways gamers can experience their games (whether those improvements be big or small), and to be quite blunt, calling it garbage is a flat-out falsehood.
It's so good that it makes me wish Sony and Microsoft would upgrade to a similar style instead of sticking with the same thing they've had for the past two or three generations. Compared to the game pad, traditional controls don't just feel limited, they feel outdated.
They just don't offer the kind of positive new gameplay experiences, to devs or gamers, that the game pad does, especially with asymmetrical gameplay possibilities.
It's only issue right now is that it's not being taken advantage of more, but that doesn't stop it from being head and shoulders above what a traditional controller is; a conduit for game-improving experiences.

As for third party, they had the entire first year and a half to put out their games on the wii u with virtually no first party big-hitters interfering, and all they did was put out watered down ports of games we've all already played on the ps360's that we got last gen.
They failed to create compelling reasons for Nintendo gamers to support them en masse, hence their multiplat ports on wii u aren't beating the first party games.
That's not Nintendo's screw up; third parties are directly responsible for the kinds of games, and the content within them, that they bring to the system.
Watered down multiplats won't impress wii u gamers as much as the next Mario game.
A new game like Kingdom Hearts 3, however, might get some decent attention from them.

[SpeedDemon]

Nintendo has been surviving mostly on their 1st party games for decades, what makes it different now? I think it will turn around(it's already starting to) and don't believe that it will end up like the Gamecube did.

"Then bring in the Wii. Sure - it was new and interesting and gimmicky even and it sold really well but 3rd party support once again sucked and why? Because they still didn't believe in what Nintendo was trying to do."

I don't think it was that the 3rd party's didn't believe in what Nintendo were doing with the Wii(what ever that means), it was the hardware limitations and poor online service that made it difficult to port their games to the Wii.

"Also, I'm sorry, but that controller for the Wii U is absolute garbage."

there is plenty of controller options for the Wii U besides the gamepad.

"but they have to stop playing catch up and get back to being an innovator."

Was the gamepad not them being innovative? Do people seriously want all three of the big 3's consoles to be essentially the same and the only difference being the exclusives?

[manaxknight1]

also all the 3rd-party games had been released on the ps3/xbox360...so y get them for the wii u if they already been out? they are innovating for changing the experience the controller..touchscreen, has a camera. Definitely not garbage.

[N4g_null]

It is pretty interesting that most people that have a wiiu love that controller. You basically can play two player whatever with each player having their own screen. That extra screen is also motion senistive. That same controller has all of the buttons of the other consoles. Then you have controller choice. We are about to have 5 different controllers to choose from with a really robust bc and vc library to play your old games from.

You have your own fan social network also where true fans are creating art to share and helping each other thur these very challenging games. Invites are there messaging and even video chat is pretty easy to do. Everyone you played with shows up so you can send friend request. Then the mic screaming has been minimized praised the lord! Any development team can add this tech back in game because there is a mic and cam in every game pad.

Tech wise they created a platform that does handle modern gaming quite well. All fps support controller play and ir pointing play at pretty good framerates.

True 3rd party isn't present but I don't play consoles for 3rd party games. They never use the full power of the platform and you can get their games on better running pcs anyway. Plus the online equation has just turned into a way to tax you to play games that where simply not as fun as yesteryear games. So I look forward to what ms sony and Nintendo will make. Also 3rd parties are getting to big to fail now. So they might just begin to fail. The 3rd party franchises are in disarray compared to what the ps2 had. Many franchises are not even made by the original talent. Many new gamers do not realize this and are just getting suckered into wasting money.

You ask them to be innovative but simply dismiss two very big innovation and reinforce simply untrue statements. Also they are getting ready to unify console and handheld gaming. Why chase the high end when they can change how and what we can play. When you see what nvidia and amd are releasing you will see why the ps4 and xbone are going to get left in the dust by pc and by the smart phones and tablets they are loosing ground to. We have phone pushing 4k screen now.

All we have got from sony is remastered games that now run correctly. With ms we get the same while all of their games that are new are collectively boring. The power is also marginal. Please do not talk about specs. It is not in your favor. I will pose the closed hardware gets tweaked better than any x86 design. Also we all saw a whole gen where bigger numbers meant the ps3 was supposed to be more powerful yet the Xbox 360 got the better multiplatform ports and Sony eventually abandoned that very tech for x86 while nintendo builds a whole ecosystem around ngc tech that can now push mariokart 8 visuals and play ports without tweaks on one cpu out of 3. I don't know I respect what nintendo is doing with their tech rather than the pr. It sounds like you have fallen for pr rather than games. 3rd parties are promising junk that only looks good. Basically 3rd parties have lost their way in my eyes. The younger gamers will prop them up for a while but once enough quality software comes out game play expectations will rise again and Nintendo will be right there.

[ABizzel1]

I don't think the majority of people on here hate Nintendo, well outside of LOL_WUT, but for most of us, we just want to see Nintendo get their act together and do better.

There have been many common sense moves Nintendo could have, and should have made, but it's like Nintendo looks at everything and says....Well that makes too much sense so let's do something entirely different.

And that's great for being innovative, but most of the time these things ideas are "common sense" because they work, they're proven, and that's what your fans want.

Nintendo wants to have that whimsical and magical Disney-like persona (I could actually see that merger happening Disney & Nintendo), but even Disney has had flops (not saying the Wii U is a flop, but Nintendo's though process at times causes unnecessary struggles), and they too know when something is just common sense (buy Marvel for example, and milking those movies, which is love).

Nintendo needs their innovative team, but they also need a "common sense" team who's decisions trump what the others have to say.

The Wii U hardware was one of those Why? It should have been APU based just like the PS4 and XBO considering the technology was there and ready for the Wii U with equal and greater power in Llano and Trinity, making Wii U ports and better 3rd party support effortless, but they didn't, which is one of those "WTF Nintendo moments" (I'm coining that "WTF Nintendo Moment").

The good news is that they're finally learning, and "listening". They're getting unique 3rd party support in Hyrule Warriors, Pokken Fighter, and other Japanese devs, but they still need western support.

They're listening to AMD, and if the rumors are true AMD is fully powering the next Nintendo handheld N-Fusion here we go.

So things are looking up for Nintendo, we just have to get through this last stumble.

[3-4-5]

Wii U controller is comfortable and responds well CRAZAY......THAT is why people are disagreeing with you.

Most people who use the controller actually like it a lot. Same with the Pro Controller, which is arguably even better.

[Concertoine]

I wouldnt pin blame on those three.

The truth is, almost every problem can be rooted to the design decisions behind the N64. Before Iwata had a prominent position or Reggie was involved at all. If it werent for the cartridge format, third parties would have been more supportive, and the system itself would've been more affordable. If you think about it, even with its great games, its a wonder Nintendo sold 33 million on a system who's library was so small it was surpassed by the Dreamcast in half the time.

Because Nintendo couldnt gain any ground with the N64 and Sony's utter domination 5th gen, the Gamecube was destined to fail despite an exceptional effort to appeal to the hardcore. Really the Gamecube only got the respect it deserved in retrospect.

Nintendo looked at the middling sales of their hardcore system, and realized they had to chase a wider audience, and experienced more success with that audience then they had in history.

To be honest i don't know what they should do next, but those three are not entirely to blame at all. They hopped on a train bound for that route due to decisions they didn't make. Except Miyamoto who helped design the N64.

[pcz]

people think i hate nintendo.. but i dont. im not a troll either. i have been here since 2008 and supported nintendo right from the start. check my comment history.

i have always been a nintendo fan, since the 80s lol but lets not lie, its a bad time to be a nintendo fan. all my comments in the last year or so reflect that. its not that i (or possibly many others) hate nintendo- its just they suck right now and people are unhappy/frustrated with them.

nintendo could be so much better. we all know this. we are all familiar with their catalogue packed full with classic games. so to be in 2014 with a nintendo that is hardly recognizable as that once great company... its sad.

they have changed beyond recognition, they used to be pioneers, innovators and a melting pot of creativity... now they seem satisfied to lounge in the background making small scale games on obsolete technology.

nintendo really need a shake up on management level to change the way the company views the market and how it wants to fit in the market, because right now nintendo arent inspiring people to buy their consoles in the numbers they once did.

i will most likely buy a wiiu for xenoblade 2, possibly smash bros before then, but on a whole, im very disappointed with the wiiu. its the first nintendo console i havent bought since the NES.

anyway, being a nintendo fan, i made this remix of the theme from zelda windwaker, dragon roost island

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

please share :)

[marloc_x]

Like the tune, kudos.

[3-4-5]

I like what I like.

Nobody tells me otherwise.

If you need somebody else to tell you how you should think, then you deserve to be lead astray.

I love that Nintendo does what Nintendo wants and doesn't cave into peer pressure as much as the other companies do.

They don't want to be " the cool kids", they just want to have fun.

[AmbaLaBamba]

Thanks for leaving a comment! :)

[WeAreLegion]

I thought everyone was supposed to love Nintendo right now.

[masterfox]

lol for what reason exactly ? or that was sarcasm ? O_o

[WeAreLegion]

I don't know. I just get trolled by rabid Nintendo fans every time I say they're doing something wrong. It's even worse on Reddit.

[Theyellowflash30]

I'm sorry, but nobody cares what you hate and don't hate.

The fact that anyone could associate the word "hate" with a video games company is stupid. And another sign people take this sh*t way too seriously.

It's just video games. There are games for everybody.

[Eonjay]

Hate is a very strong word.

[AmbaLaBamba]

I'm only using a word that people use, I wouldn't use hate myself, probably dislike or something similar.

[Digimortal]

Nintendo while they haven't been doing the best so to speak but one thing stand clear for what there doing for the Wii U. That is giving you a reason to own the system. Sure there not getting the same support as what Sony and Microsoft are getting but if your a Sony or Microsoft owner. Nintendo is showing you there is a reason to want there system now. Instead of complaining about third parties, look at what Nintendo is getting and that train isn't slowing down anytime soon. All the stuff so far announced for there system since E3 this year, is exclusive to there console. That's not going to change any time soon. Nintendo is filling in the gap for those core games. If you already own a PS4 or Xbox One, the chances are if Nintendo was going to get 3rd party titles that are also released for the other platforms, you will prob end up getting it on your preferred console of choice. However, with Nintendo doing cross over games, and collaborations with developers is showing its true form and getting these games only for there system.

The only people who voice concerns over the whole 3rd party dispute is Wii U only owners but most of those people don't care, they just care for Nintendo IPS only sadly but meh what can you do right. So Nintendo is basically creating a new ecosystem for there own console. Standing out from the competition. This is what Nintendo has been talking about now for a long while. It make sense.

[Imalwaysright]

With their lineup I have nothing but love towards them.

[superchiller]

All Nintendo has done for the last decade or more has been to release poorly-designed hardware coupled with annoying gimmicks. The Wii, 3DS, and Wii U are all prime examples of this. The Wii was a weakly upgraded Gamecube with a terrible waggle gimmick, the 3DS a weakly upgraded DS with an annoying fake 3D gimmick (which most people just turn off), and the Wii U is nothing more than a weakly upgraded Wii with an awkward, bulky, distracting pseudo-tablet gimmick. Nintendo used to be the best, the NES and SNES were masterpieces, but they lost their way a long time ago. They really have no business producing hardware anymore, they just don't have the ability to design anything good, as shown by their products.

[marloc_x]

Zzzzzzzz..

[ICANPLAYGAMES2]

Who is this everyone that you speak of? I'm fine with them, sure there could be more done, and they seemingly ignore what the majority of people seem to be asking for, but so far they are practically the only one giving me local mp support (something still important to me). Whereas, with the competition buying an extra controller (or three+) is pointless, not many games support local mp, the functionality is built into the consoles, but hardly anyone supports it.

Besides, I don't mind that Nintendo tries to market gimmicks otherwise every console option out there would be the same. So what if not everything they try pans out, at least we get to see or try something different.

[jayzablade]

If you hate Nintendo, you're a tool!!

[LOL_WUT]

We don't hate Nintendo we just want them to do better. They seriously need to drop this whole kid/family friendly image because as we have seen in their statistics and transition from Wii to WiiU is that casuals are not loyal and you can't depend on them.

They need to approach their future console with 3rd parties in mind I'm not saying give us a super computer but something that can compete. And don't give me that BS that devs still wouldn't support them because that's the same mentality that got them in this mess in the first place.

Secondly the fanboys stop being so gullible! It's like they have you guys brainwashed. Speak out and ask more from this company. Oh no multiplayer in this game? Demand it! It's 2014 people. I could go on but like I said i can't wait for the day in which a Nintendo console is my my only and primary one. ;)

[N4g_null]

You talk of brainwashing when this is video games not a popularity contest. Who cares about their image. We play their games not their image. If you hate or don't like Nintendo based on image then you sir are the one that is brainwashed.

My question is why isn't sony asked to make fighters, platform erstwhile or any other game type any sonic liking fan would love? Yet nintendo must release a direct copy of the other systems just to see 3rd parties support the cheaper tech. This happened during the n64 and ngc. The wiiu is running ports off one cpu. Yet somehow the console is not powerful enough. LoL.

Your very first argument about image will be what 3rd parties will hide behind. The truth of the matter is indies will just have to grow. AAA are set now and that is all you will get is sequels or episode paid content.

It is fine to be critical but your solutions and lack of being critical of all console makers do not make sense. The truth is sony got free pr from trolling and Nintendo simply has the better game line up while 3rd parties are getting long in the tooth or borderline boring.

[LOL_WUT]

Why do YOU guys always have to drag Sony into this or another company?

Hardly anyone asks Sony for a fighter because whether you hate 3rd parties or not they have that area covered (Tekken 7, SF, MK10) same goes for every gaming genre out there coupled with Sony's own original ip's. Sadly enough the same can't be said about Nintendo and it all falls down to their incompetence and broken promises of securing multiplatform games.

http://www.youtube.com/watc... 1:19 mark

Just now they realized that they should focus more towards the core gamer. Why is that? Because they aren't seeing the same success they thought they would by focusing towards the casuals who up and left them. Oh we'll just put out this console and they'll have to like it no matter what just because its Nintendo. I swear they are stringing you guys up really good! ;)

[ABizzel1]

@Scissor_runner

I came here to check on LOL_WUT comment, here because I know he's usually "tolling", and he PM'd me his side, and after reading his comment and knowing he too has a Wii U I agree with him, although he is a bit extreme.

1. "Who cares about their image."

That's a dumb question to ask. Every company cares about its image, and right now Nintendo's image is a kiddie console. They don't need to be a Adult console, but they need to be looked at as an E for Everyone console. Like I said above Disney is who they should be imitating. When people think of Disney they think cartoons, Mickey Mouse, Pixar, etc... But Disney has also grown up now having the Marvel Movies, Pirates of the Caribbean, Prince of Persia, John Carter (which was actually decent), etc... Nintendo has the first party is the Disney equivalent of Mickey Mouse and Pixar, but they lack the more mature titles to get masses of aging gamers to stay with the console brand (Metroid and Zelda are both great franchises but they need more). And if they don't want to make those type of games, then they need 3rd party support to get that image.

2.1 I don't really understand what you're trying to say here or what Sony has to do with this. Sony doesn't make a plethora of platformers, because it isn't a widely popular genre, but they have Little Big Planet, Tearaway, Ratchet, Jak, and Sly. Why do they need any more. As far as fighting games they have PSASBR, just like Nintendo has only Smash, and now Pokemon Fighter.

2.2 As for the second part of your question 3rd party support did exist on both N64 and GC, however, PS1 and PS2 had such a huge sales advantage 3rd parties didn't have to make games for other platforms unless they wanted to, and at that time the architecture of each platform was vastly different, so if you have 80 - 100m on PS, vs. 20 - 40m on Nintendo and don't have the developer power to port, then common sense says go PS only financially speaking.

2.3 For the final part of your question games are no longer CPU bound (PS360 era), they're GPU bound and the GPU in the Wii U isn't up to par with current offerings.

Majority of games run at these settings: Using "Last-gen" only since there aren't many "Current-gen PC games across all consoles.

PS360 = Last-gen PC games 720p @ 30fps (console setting - low settings)

Wii U = Last-gen PC games 720p @ 30 - 40fps (low - mid settings)
Wii U max = Last gen PC games 720p @ 40 - 50fps (medium settings)

PS4 = Last-gen PC games 1080p @ 60fps (high - ultra settings)

So yes the Wii U is powerful enough to get most of the current games up and running on the Wii U in 720p @ 30fps low settings. However, with the Year 2 upcoming games for PS4 and XBO, Wii U can't compete. Which again is why they should have went with a Trinity APU. And once again the PS brand is winning, so why make games for Nintendo when you can easily make a PC game, port it to PS4 and XBO, and know that you're going to get a profit, vs. hoping you game sales 300k on Wii U. Profit is the end all of these companies.

[ABizzel1]

I agree with you that LOL_WUT is overly critical of Nintendo frequently, but at times Nintendo makes things so much harder for themselves than it needs to be with the backwards decision making.

Usually LOL_WUT is trolling, but he's completely being real here. Nintendo isn't infallible like so many fans want to make it, everything isn't peachy in the Mushroom Kingdom. It's great that the games are coming, but it still doesn't fix the most dangerous problem to the Nintendo brand, the people making decisions on hardware, online infrastructure, and game ideas / New IP. But ultimately all those things come down to Nintendo's Upper Management which is the biggest problem they have.

They need to get rid of some of those old heads, make them retire and get some young and fresh ideas into the company.

[N4g_null]

Wow you guys stick together don't you. Why are we talking about image when nintendo has done more for families and kids in hospitals? Why are we such a bunch of myopic trolls who actually trumped things that are bad for gaming?

Sure nintendo is not perfect but they ate the only real game company in the biz right now. As a gamer we should be looking at skill and craftsmanship of the the primary reason gaming exsist.... game play.

Also gaming graphics are all gpgpu bound now. Which means that the cpu has a big say in what you can do graphical wise. Do you even know what hardware based vs software based shader code means? In the end a true gpu that operates closer to a risc cpu will help out gpgpu operation over an x86. Where you not around when Intel tried this with Larrabee?

Also gaming is in a horrible state. Watch dogs did crazy numbers and now everyone hates it... that alone is hurting gaming more that anything nintendo has ever done.

Other companies are brought up because you all keep claiming they are doing it right. Pr wise they got you all... gaming wise... they are stop gags... fads even. Social movements. Sony nore ms has made gaming better and they are doing Nothing to get younger games to enjoy gaming. Instead we have a 4 ace to be a bigger troll or even better talk about things in a disconnect manner so that you can end a fact with opinion.

lots of gamers wanted more from sony... they simply gave up on asking. Yet it is ok to ask nintendo for more sony or ms games? See how one sided you all are?

Plenty of people own things and hate them ask ms windows owners. That does not free them from making sense in a casual debate over gaming.

[Dunban67]

You mention other co s not doing enough to get younger gamers into gaming- bit right now Minecraft has the attention of a large part of the younger gamers- much more so than anything on the Wii u- yet MSFT and Playstation both have it and Nintendo does not - Every day that goes by w out Minecraft, Nintendo s hold on the younger generation is slipping

Nintendo has so much going for it as a company yet they have been poorly managed the last few years or more- They need to figure out who thier customer is now, what demographic they want to target going forward then do what it takes to take care of them and gain renewed trust

[ABizzel1]

@Scissor_runner

I see you're one of those types, so this will be the last time I respond to you regarding the issue, unless somehow we end up in another article regarding the topic and I don't realize it's you (which happens frequently).

You brought up image by saying, AND I QUOTE "Who cares about their image." I was just stating the fact that Nintendo and every other company cares about their image. Now you want to show Nintendo's image in a positive light since it's beneficial for getting the Nintendo diehards on your side.

"Sure nintendo is not perfect but they ate the only real game company in the biz right now."

I have no idea what you mean by this once again, "ate"???

"As a gamer we should be looking at skill and craftsmanship of the the primary reason gaming exsist.... game play."

Which is exactly why Sony, MS, and many more developers/publishers exist, because there are many companies that have great gameplay, and provide a great experience to the user.

"Do you even know what hardware based vs software based shader code means?"

You can't tell me much of anything when ti comes to technology, and the facts are that GPGPU is simply using the GPU to handle traditionally CPU calculations. AMD has been using this since the HD 5000 series (which the Wii U is based upon), we've had a 6000, 7000, and currently R series since then. So as I said games are more GPU bound this generation, the CPUs are there for ordering task. There is absolutely nothing fancy about it outside of it finally being put to real world use, and both the PS4 and XBO have the same capabilities, since APUs are effectively GPGPUs to being with.

"Also gaming is in a horrible state. Watch dogs did crazy numbers and now everyone hates it... that alone is hurting gaming more that anything nintendo has ever done."

WTF are you talking about? What does a game selling well, and being disliked have to do with hurting gaming? People have buyer's remorse in every industry, and in no way is one game hurting gaming as a whole. This once again proves this will be the last thing I have to say to you.

[N4g_null]

You should really read up on gpgpus and hsa. Seriously. Man.

Sorry ABizzel1 for the typos but you are not the person I was talking to and it is just weird you came here to protect lol wut lol.

I really don't see any thing else to talk about. You don't see the problem and I'm not willing to show you the problem.

Sorry for the typos but I really don't have the time right now but thanks for playing.

[ABizzel1]

"Other companies are brought up because you all keep claiming they are doing it right. Pr wise they got you all... gaming wise... they are stop gags... fads even. Social movements. Sony nore ms has made gaming better and they are doing Nothing to get younger games to enjoy gaming. Instead we have a 4 ace to be a bigger troll or even better talk about things in a disconnect manner so that you can end a fact with opinion."

Now it's time to go in.

Plain and simply put, PlayStation 4 is the only console done right Hardware wise this generation. The XBO suffers from RAM issues (APUs benefit from the fastest RAM possible), and a weaker GPU than the PS4 by comparison. The Wii U suffers from being the odd man out architecturally which means PC ports are less likely to happen compared to PS4/XBO, and overall the Wii U is closer to the title "Most powerful 7th gen console" (PS360), than being considered a low-end 8th gen console (PS4/XBO).

The XBO has 3x the GPU power, 4x the amount of RAM, and currently 3x the total bandwidth of the Wii U. The PS4 has an even bigger specs lead. The Wii U in comparison to the PS360 has a 4x the amount of RAM, similar bandwidth, and 2x the amount of GPU power.

Gaming wise Sony was the winner of the last generation. 8/8 of the GOTY winners were all on the PS3, 2 of which were exclusive. 6/8 were on the 360, and 0/8 were on the Wii. Nintendo only places when you count runner-ups.

Now it's really time to dig in. Contributions to gaming.

No one can argue what Nintendo has done for gaming. They were really the pioneers of gaming, and got the rock rolling, with Sega following behind them. They have the most popular franchises in gaming PERIOD, and they have worldwide appeal with their franchises. However, you're completely delusional to think Sony and MS haven't contributed worthwhile additions to gaming.

Sony is the reason gaming is as popular as it is today. The PS brand is the best selling console brand out of the big 3, and PS brought millions upon million of gaming into the industry literally doubling the number of gamers worldwide on it's own. With 3 consoles, Sony has sold more than all of the Nintendo console sales combined to date. PlayStation main contribution to game was allowing the industry to become a thriving career for everyone in it from developers, to publishers, to hardware partners, and more. This contribution is every bit as important as what Nintendo has accomplished for gaming, and is often the most overlooked accomplishment of the PlayStation brand.

Xbox is the reason we have online infrastructures in consoles today. YEs the PS2 had online, but the Xbox perfected the template of what online gaming should and would become. The Xbox brand also brought simplicity in architecture to consoles, and is part of the reason why the consoles (PS4/XBO) are today hardware wise.

[ABizzel1]

"lots of gamers wanted more from sony... they simply gave up on asking. Yet it is ok to ask nintendo for more sony or ms games? See how one sided you all are?"

And once again you revert to calling out the competition instead of focusing on the issue at hand, Nintendo. What exactly are PS fans asking for? The most I've ever seen are sequels to older IPs (Legend of Dragoon), sequels to newer IP's (Ni No Kuni), and a release date for The Last Guardian. Really that's pretty much it. Sony has been upfront about pretty much everything, and it's a lesson they had to learn through stumbling with the PS3, which has only benefitted them with the PS4.

"Plenty of people own things and hate them ask ms windows owners."

I agree

"That does not free them from making sense in a casual debate over gaming."

Which is where you failed to prove any kind of point. All you did was try to call out Sony (several times) and MS instead of addressing the issues LOL_WUT and I presented. Everything I said about Nintendo comes from someone who wants to see a Nintendo console thrive. If I could only afford one console, and it was only a Nintendo console, I can't say I'd be satisfied for the entire generation FOR ME PERSONALLY, and I've felt that way the last 2 generations (Wii and GC, although I enjoyed GC).

No one here is bashing Nintendo, which many of you fail to understand. Once again I have a Wii U, I had a NES (got it much later), I had a SNES (started gaming at the end of the generation), I had a N64 (huge Nintendo fan at this time), I had GB (enjoyed it, but began moving to PS more), and I had a Wii (PS3 completely won this gen for me).

We are simply asking Nintendo to do better.

Better hardware next time (you don't have to be on par with PS and MS, it's a losing battle, just be capable of competing). Which means 3rd party support.

Better online and features, they're basically 2 generations behind in online gaming. Their media features are good enough, but they can do better here as well. The eShop is bad to navigate. Overall things just need to be more seamless.

Better sense of direction, management wise, and game wise. Management needs to get many of those common sense baffles into their next console. And they need smarter game choice. Zelda and Metroid should be the Marvel equivalent of Disney movies (push the boundaries of what Nintendo is known for, Rated T), Pokemon MMO, etc...

"Sorry ABizzel1 for the typos but you are not the person I was talking to and it is just weird you came here to protect lol wut lol."

That's the thing, I didn't come here to protect LOL_WUT or anybody else, and that's been proven many times. But in this one case that I've seen of LOL_WUT he's actually right IMO. I said he borderline trolls and in overly critical of Nintendo, but for once at least he was right about Nintendo needing to change for the better. Once again I'm not against Nintendo in anyway, but when there's room for improvement (and there is here) then things should be improved upon. Nintendo has a lot of catching up to do with MS and Sony in some areas. They have the IP success and the brand, but they're not living up to the expectations of the current industry.

Nintendo is living in Nintendoland, but the real world has changed, and if they don't adjust to some of those changes they're going to suffer a loss of audience to Sony and MS.

No hard feelings here, just stating that Nintendo can, and has to do better or the reality of a non-Nintendo home console can become real with another generation struggle.

[Christopher]

@Abizzel said "What exactly are PS fans asking for? The most I've ever seen are sequels to older IPs (Legend of Dragoon), sequels to newer IP's (Ni No Kuni), and a release date for The Last Guardian."

1. Massive improvements to firmware/OS.

2. A freaking western RPG.

3. That stuff you mentioned as well.

[N4g_null]

I'm sure you could go deep into my comments right before the ps3 came out and you would see. Sony had a lot more game types to support. The move needs support. Etc etc...

Everyone gives sony a free pass now and they really are mediocre. At least the consumer electronics as a whole woke up. I was a proud owner of many things sony that made sense or where simply superior.

Yet Nintendo every move is ridiculed. They have over come so much but sony is still ahead based on belief mostly. Sony can not support a console on its own. The 3rd party free pass is going to run out one day also. As you can see 3rd parties can be bought. You guys don't see how backwards it is that the xbone gets ports and the wiiu doesn't? It's major money hatting. Also sony is bleeding money. Even though ms is loosing they are winning. As time goes on sony eventually just can not buy support anymore. Yet Nintendo has the problem.

I bring up the others because they are being artificially put up on a higher standing over reasons that are not really based on console gaming and Sony has done nothing to protect it self from being sega-ed.

Yet we constantly hear why the others get games or blind support based on branding along or baseless lies. Now we can't talk about other consoles in comparison to nintendos?

There is no even handedness in the fans assault on nintendo brand is the point I'm making. I was the first to say I hated double dash and the ngc needed bigger disk. Yet many of the things I wanted nintendo did. Many things I did not want them to do they did not do.

as a sony fan I do miss them branching out to make games for everyone. No tlou and lbp is no getting it done for me. Truthfully buying a ps4 right now would be a waste of money for me. Had it had bc in it I would have gotten one already to put in another room. I can afford to buy a console for one game. I even spent 500 on the ps3 to get the god of war addition so yeah I am a winning fan of sony. Yet i actually like what nintendo is doing for gaming.

It is just starting to look really one sided. The psn network went down not to long ago. Yet it is still better than a free service that even has free dlc and bc and a better online browser.

No one asks sony for anything any more
Because we don't think they can even do it anymore. Yet retarded things are asked of Nintendo or simply lied about.

I know plenty of people who had been ps2 owners that stopped buying sony everything these where also the people who can afford sonys higher end products. Yet they choose not to because they stopped being fanboys. Sony needs critical comments more than both ms and Nintendo in my eyes. They have the blind good will of gamers who do not stay loyal no matter what fanboys say.

[CandyFace]

They have approached us with a future console, it might not be the future console you expected, likely because you wanted a power beater against the PS4 and Xbox One. Power doesn't always need to be the issue, and quite frankly is a bad excuse in most cases. You need to adapt to the resources you have been given, and make the necessary changes for your game to work great and look good enough to be proud of it. If that doesn't work for you, then you might just accept that your project doesn't fit the console. It is obvious that Nintendo looked for something else, that would make their console different from the rest. The Gamepad is that "something", and it is doing a damn good job IMO.

3rd party developers such as EA, Ubisoft have been given the proper tools to make games, just as any other indie developer and possibly more because they are developers behind a giant publishers. It is their choice to make something new or just bring their old stuff to another system, and if the game is just a port... then they most likely need to give it a greater makeover to make it attempting enough to pay full price again. It is shameful as a publisher/developer to complain over a game that doesn't sell well when it is either released much later than their counterparts or gets heavily delayed for no reason.
my last word on this subject. I don't give 2 cent of what those big publishers/developers do if they aren't dedicated enough to make their game work properly or bring something new to the platform.

"Oh no multiplayer in this game? Demand it!" You don't demand as a respectful "fanboy" you suggest... by demanding stuff you think of yourself as if you were worth more than the developers (which you aren't) you get nowhere by demanding stuff out of the blue.. If the developer didn't implement it, there is likely a reason why. Even if you referred to a port of a game, you still don't demand as some royal, you can expect something but that doesn't mean you have the right to demand it.

[MasterCratosKong66]

People speak out to Nintendo all the time and they know they can be better. But we have all seen your dumbass suggestions and glass half empty criticisms and we know that if they listened to people like you and ThePCZ they wouldn't be around anymore.

[bamillington]

Stupid title

[AmbaLaBamba]

This is a more personal piece to me, I don't literally mean 'everyone', just those who I know and discuss things with. Almost everyone I know (personally) thinks Nintendo is shit, sadly.

[Tzuno]

Nintendo is the only console that tries to keep it to the roots and not be casual, i mean would you play cod on WiiU or DK and specific N games?

[Picnic]

The article is a Mario Kart (8) and a E3 (2014) out of date. Ever since the line up there with Toad's Treasure Trackers, Yoshi's Wooly World, Mario Maker, the new Zelda, Bayonetta 2, few knowledgable about games hate Nintendo even if they're not intending to buy a WiiU.