Despite record-breaking sales and levels of hype never before seen for a video game launch, Grand Theft Auto IV had no discernible effect on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 hardware sales for the month of May.
to either 360 or ps3 then consoles would have certainly shifted well by pre-order stats MGS4 is holding the trophy for console sales at the moment,over 500,000 in japan alone thats serious numbers,good ol snake wonder if microsoft regrets that 50mil dlc? thats alot of money by anyones standards
yeah i mean dlc in a years time? Will anyone care? Suprised if this article is true though, you would have thought GTA4 would have sold consoles. But like you said, i think MGS4 is doing the job quite nicely. Only a few more days now
any guy with half a brain knows that 50 million was for GTA4 to go multiplat. Geow 1 cost 10 million to make (Epic themselves gave the digit) I mean even a hardcore fanboy with no knowledge whatsover in business can guess that 50 million was not for DLC (though included in the deal of course). @JAMIE FOXX: well , looks like you dont even have half a brain (that wasnt even aimed directly at you ) : - why do you think DMC4 went multiplat ? MSFT paid for it - why do you think Assasins Creed went multiplat ? MSFT paid for it - and what did Capcom and Ubisoft say ? That MSFT paid for it ? Of course not ! duh ! stuff like that are kept secret.Firms dont reveal things like that. Haze went PS3 exclusive (of course Sony made a deal for it, otherwise give me another reason for FR to cancel PC and 360 versions (both are home for FPS's and would have had solid sales jsut for being a FPS )) What did Free Radical say ? "Sony paid for it" ? Of course not ! They said "We want to take adavntage of the full power of the PS3 hardware" when OF COURSE Sony paid for it. Same goes for Bioshock. Once again 50 million WAS NOT for DLC but for GTA4 to go multiplat (DLC is only part of the deal) Think for a second , its pretty obvious that 50 million for DLC cant be right whan a game as impressive as GEOW costs 10 million.
rockstar stated that the reason gta4 went multiplat was due to sonys reluctance to confim details and plans that needed to put in place regarding gta4,many blame ken for gta4 going multi-plat his arrogance at the time and reluctance to confirm the deal which is why he was fired(along with his wierd rants)which is why kaz hirai who was more into the gaming side of things than the hardware side was then put into his spot. so lachance that brain thing you were chatting about....... edit=lachance dmc and assasins went multi plat for revenue reasons the company of those games would obviously generate more money releasing on two platforms,common sense. so i guess dlc was free for microsoft no millions was paid for that exclusive content ok well ill leave you with that dream now lets go play with the tooth fairy
sorry Fox but I am quite sure that the 50 million dollars went to outbid the Sony exclusivity deal.
you could be right dude but im just stating what came out of rockstar. dlc wouldnt be free so what was the price microsoft paid for the dlc then? its a known fact that it run into the millions as a game of gta size you would expect that,which really is a waste of money when it could have spent to secure the services of mgs4 or a new ip
the fifty million went to disrupt gta exclusivity, since it makes sense. But what I don't understand is how you can vehemently disagree with what Jamie Foxx says without having evidence to the contrary. Jamie has accounts of people stating that the fifty was for DLC. Regardless of whether that seems high priced or not, or whether it seems more feasible that MS paid for gta to be multiplatform, only a person with half a brain would push this as canon without having proof.
people like lachance dont want to believe microsoft have made a mistake so they spout off information with no evidence. end of the day whether its 50mil.30mil or 10 mil, millions was paid for dlc it isnt free and for a game of gta's scope it was alot of money,lachance has stated geow cost 10mil so basically for the price of dlc exclusivty for a game which has lost its hype very quickly microsoft could have had a new ip. lachance everyone makes mistakes thats life and even the most hardened fanboy can see microsoft could have spent that money more wisely. just like sony made the mistake in losing gta exclusivity in the 1st place
game pre-orders? or console orders? can you elaborate please. i wouldn't think that microsoft will regret the 50mil. they will recoup that in download royalties over both episodes....and rockstar/taketwo are always smiling when it comes to rvenue generated by gta....if they get this out before christmas, just watch the spurt in gta game sales aswell.
the executive, I'm sure the $50M helped, but it wasn't a bidding war. Rockstar themselves said they approached sony, and stated, if they (sony) allow GTA IV to be multiplat, that the next one or two Rockstar IPs will be Sony exclusive. Sony said go for it. This was in an interview with a Rock exec IIRC
I said that from the beginning. 50mil went towards making GTA4 multiplat and they threw in the "exclusive" episodic content package in there before finalizing the deal. Yet, hardcore 360 fans have been spouting, hyping, and bragging about the 50 million-worth DLC episoding content like it was the second coming of Christ. Believe it or not, but these exclusive episodic content won't be the size of San Andreas or Vice City. Rockstar could easily brand another GTA with a new city with updated features and make millions more selling in physical medium on both platforms than catering exclusively to Live's online marketplace.
GTA went multiplatform, so theres little effect
and not moving hardware game!! if it was exclusive for sony it would have moved much more consoles but less software!
who cares what MS thinks! Its not like they have been right on anything other then getting a year head start so they wouldnt be put into the grave early like the 1st xbox other then that they have been behind the curve as soon as the PS3 launched. I dont think MGS is going to move a huge amount of systems. Its just the time of year and ppl, adults atleast, have pressing issues with a reocrd hot summer on the way with gas and eltric utiltys going up by huge amounts..... but i do think MGS will be a good seller. Its going to be a great game and we all know PS3 owners will buy great games. Its the average ones that suffer
MGS4 is already shifting huge amounts of consoles just in bundle pre orders alone so you're quite wrong on that one. Not to mention the main reason I bought a Ps3 was because of MGS4, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. In-fact I personally know of a few people who did the same for the same reason.
Hasn't the bundle already sold out in Japan?
If anyone agreeing with me acutally knows, it would be great for a link. I remember reading this in comments and vaguely remember an article. Anyone know for sure?
sold out in japan yes, and those r the gun-gray color with MGS4 LE and DS3, and konami said they made only around 100,000 of those but who knows, maybe sony will make for them more!! they should at least!! also they selling everywhere a lot of the normal 40,80 GB bundles from sony and konami ones in europe and NA, but no one knows how many sony made of konami bundles!!!
probably because most gamers who are into GTA already have bought either the PS3 or 360. i'm still very surprised that it didn't have a huge hardware sales impact though
"everybody makes mistakes" Of everyone makes mistakes : you made a mistake thinking MSFT paid 50 million for DLC. Sony made a mistake paying for Haze to go exclusive , and MSFT have also made mistakes. Thats the way it is.
Lets face it if you are a hardcore gamer you probably already have one, or both, or all three. This doesn't surprise me all that much. The sales of the game were pretty impressive none the less though.
MS wasted that 50mil. That could have been used to secure future titles. By the time this year is over, GTAIV will just be another GTA game. I haven't even played my copy for my PS3 for at least a month now.
They got the game released at the same time as the PS3. They have sold more copies than Sony did. They accomplished what they needed to do which was creating a more even playing field this generation. I have been saying that the hardcore gamers had already purchased the 360 and PS3 well in advance of this game. The reason that neither the 360 or PS3 are selling that well is because the consoles are too expensive for the average consumer. You need an HDTV and broadband internet connection to play games the way they are intended to be played. And the much cheaper Wii that works fine on a standard TV is outselling the 360 and PS3 combined. So all the casual gamers go to the Wii, and the hardcore gamers are split between the PS3 and 360. Thats the truth. I know people will disagree with me based on my comment history. But it's why MGS4 won't move that many consoles. It's why at the end of the year Gears 2 won't sell that many consoles either. It sucks. But the early adopters have already purchased the console of thier choice. Now it all comes down to how long before prices drop on consoles, TV's, braodband internet, etc... Trust me. Neither Sony or Microsoft are happy with their sales numbers right now...
How do you know MGS4 won't move consoles? The bundles have been sold out already and they count because they're consoles as well. You can think whatever you want but MS should have kept that money for something else worthwhile. GTA was hyped to kingdom come and look what happened? You already have people talking about reselling the game and getting something else. Or they beat the game already so therefore they don't feel the need to worry about DLC.
if it wasnt for that 50 million, gta4 wouldnt have been half as good as it is, the game cost 100 million to make, im sure that 50 million helped in some way to cover the costs
I think that a lot of people are waiting for another price drop on the consoles. The U.S. Economy isn't in the best shape right now either and a lot of people may have to give up buying a console for gas money or whatever. Personally I expect MGS4 to move some serious PS3 hardware. I remember around the time of GTA4's release, places like Gamestop and Sony said that they noticed a considerable "spike" in PS3 sales and from what I've read, it seems like GTA4 moved more hardware on the PS3's side because I didn't hear anything like that in regards to 360 console sales and GTA4. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft expected to move more hardware just because they had the proclaimed "Downloadable Content", but it seems as though the Downloadable Content wasn't even enough to sway peoples decisions because people are going to buy the console that they truly want and the "average" consumer or casual gamer that doesn't read gaming magazines or gaming news sites doesn't even know about the Downloadable Content and they probably could care less because all they want is the game. However, people can't forget that this console war doesn't just take place in the United States, but Japan and Europe are places where the PS3 is dominating. Europe may become the new United States of gaming when it comes to hardware sales until the U.S. Economy can bounce back. Europe's hardware sales will only continue to help the PS3 more. Even if the 360 outsells the PS3 by a few thousand units in the U.S. in May, it wont really matter that much because the Playstation 3 is outselling the 360 everywhere else in the world and it's Worldwide sales that count. Honestly, the PS3 is doing very good when you consider the fact that the PS3 is more expensive than the 360 and it's outselling it worldwide and the 360 and PS3 monthly sale numbers are about neck and neck in the U.S.
sony is doing very good in japan...really, after the ps1 and ps2 how can 9k a week in japan be considered doing very good?? when they are used to selling wii type figures for the last decade? i notice alot of people on here are very vocal in singing europes praises on here now, and seemingly trying to discount NA because that is the only region where sony is triumphant over microsoft...it's just a shame that sony themselves dont feel the same way and continue to favour NA over the EU. i think alot of fanboys miss the underlying point when they try to put down microsoft and gta dlc. if people had bought ps3's en-masse for gta (which all the fanboys were saying would happen because gta is a playstation franchise), that would've been a disaster. but by keeping it even, microsoft have managed to stay one step ahead. or 5mil consoles. outselling outselling outselling...but only by about 150k a month worlwide. which is not enough to catch up this year. and shows just how much microsoft and nintendo have upped the ante. next-gen is gonna be even tougher for sony.
Why does the article mention MGS4 at all? Doesnt it seem like flame bait to mention MGS4 moving consoles when the article is about the GTA4s lack of ability to move consoles? Seriously, whats the point?
@Closing ...ur right man....ma entire group of friends(08) bought ps3 just for MGS4
How did this thread evolve from GTA sales to MS flamebait? For one, MS paid RS to "make" original GTA dlc specifically for the 360, not withhold already planned content from the PS3 version. And there's a HUGE difference. Think of it as commissioning someone to do freelance work for you. Not sure where these "MS shelled out 50mil to keep dlc exclusive" rumors started. Now with Bioshock, that's another story. A PS3 version was planned all along, but was taking longer to develop than the PC and 360 versions. So MS shelled out cash to T2 to keep mum on the existence of the PS3 version. All the while, giving the title a brief stint as a time-exclusive. So it all panned out well in the end.
This may be the case in the American market - but the American market is a very different beast to the rest of the world. I do despise the way these articles based ONLY on US sales try and pretend they represent a universal trend. The moment anything is posted about Europe or Japan, it's labeled as such. Would it kill Americans to acknowledge they aren't the entire world for a change? That aside, it IS surprising to not see an increase in hardware numbers related to GTA. I'd be be very surprised if this were the same elsewhere, as we've already had had reports from the UK for instance that have shown a significant hardware spike on the back of GTA4 for both platforms...
i wish i could be bothered to copy and paste all of the fanboys comments about how gta4 was going to shift ps3 consoles :)
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