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Philips Wins Patent Case Against Nintendo In UK

Philips Electronics has announced today that it has won a case against Nintendo in the United Kingdom.

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kurenaishinigami3596d ago

Nice UK. YOu allowed a troll to win about a patent that they never used.

Soplox3596d ago

And? It doesnt matter if they have never used it. Its their patent.

kurenaishinigami3596d ago

Yes its their patent yet they didn't use it even once, a patent troll is basically patents something, does not use it at all and then sues someone that unintentionally infringed their patent. What is the point of the patent that you aren't using...

Also since Philips in UK won so now it can sue Microsoft and Sony.

choujij3596d ago

Does this mean Nintendo won't be assisting with a CD-I 2?

rdgneoz33596d ago

"Also since Philips in UK won so now it can sue Microsoft and Sony."

Not sure if they can. It's for motion and gesture tracking, and the way the Nintendo does it vs Sony and MS is very different. Only way it could work was if it was some broad general patent that shouldn't have been allowed to begin with ("move your body or adevice and things happen on screen" sort of bs).

darthv723596d ago

@choujij...lol yeah. Philips...you can forget about a mario hotel 2: high rise havoc.

Chrischi19883596d ago

If it is their patent, they have the right to not use it. If someone wants to use it, they at least have to give the posibility of licensing it, but some companies wont even do that.

It is their right, but at the same time, not a good thing. Think about a pharmaceutics company, that invented a cure for cancer, in a simple pill, they patent it and never use it, because the pill is not expensive and the other meds they produce make them more money in that area. Is it ok, if this cancer healing medicine will never be used, because someone decided to patent it, never use it and never licence it to anyone? Is it ok, if somebody still uses it to cure cancer, that this pharmaceutics company sues this person?

The whole patent system is a mess, I am for it, but not entirely, there should be laws, that at least prevent a company, thats holding a patent, from not even licensing it, if they do not use it themselves...

paulcek3596d ago

This is interesting...So the court ruled that Nintendo violated 2 out of the 3 patents Philips was suing for.

The first patent was filed in 2003 and then granted in 2011. Nintendo had no knowledge of the patent until 2011.

Nintendo started selling the Wii in 2006. So what should Nintendo have done? Stopped producing the Wii? Or pay Philips because they violated something that they didn't know they could violate!? Philips approached them for the licensing deal 5 years after the Wii started selling. So should Nintendo just have accepted the deal?

The other patent was filed in 2009!! 3 years after the Wii started selling. I don't know how Nintendo lost that patent though.

UltimateMaster3596d ago

People are always wondering why Sony keeps making patents off of weird shit like spit sensors.
This is the reason why; just because you never know.
They made around a dozen patents for the Move controller; one of which is the Move Machine Gun with a screen as a scope allowing you to snipe with a screen close to you.
It didn't came out to the market, but the idea is cool and theirs.

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kneon3596d ago

I expect they used it in their motion control TV remotes.

xx4xx3596d ago

Uhhh....when it comes to patent law, I'll take the UK courts for it over a commenter on the N4G boards.

It doesn't matter if they were using THEIR patent or not. It doesn't matter if they are trolls holding onto THEIR patent. The court agreed with Philips that Nintendo infringed.

LOL_WUT3596d ago

Trust me some of the top commenters on here wouldn't be questioning the ruling had Nintendo won. They just happened to get caught up using someone else's tech and now have to pay ;)

randomass1713596d ago

LOL_WUT if this was a patent for the original NES controller, you still would have automatically assumed Nintendo was guilty. You're in no place to criticize anyone's disposition when it comes to Nintendo articles regardless of this ruling.

Fel083596d ago

LOL_WUT and you would be singing a different tune if this was Philips suing SONY for the PS Move.

Menkyo3596d ago

No tard a Patent troll is someone who buys up patents that are similar to other products or using very old obscure ones for the purpose of using said patents to win money in law suits. This usually involves companies that only exist in name. Philips isn't one of those.

kurenaishinigami3596d ago

One of Philips patents that is being used against Nintendo is over nearly 20 years old and other is nearly 10 years old.

The patent infringements that Philips is suing Nintendo for are very lose, Philips could/can sue Sony for PlayStation Move, Eye Toy, PlayStation 3 and 4 camera, Microsoft for original Kinect and Kinect 2.0 and it has been already discussed around the web and entire sites such as NeoGAF agrees that Philips suit is BS.

Where was Philips when Wii was released and also I find it odd that Philips patented one patent in 2005 that partially involves Wii and Wii was in development before the Patent and so was controller.

It is like developing lets say a small container box that is also a computer that can be disassembled and assembled as one and lets say Company A is developing it and Company B finds out and guesses correctly what they are doing and they patent it then Company B sues Company A after sometime.

Also I see a lot of confirmation bias and negativity towards Nintendo from I assume are Sony fanboys and we can see that by people like LOL_Wut.

Because a company has infringed some patent does not mean that they did it intentionally or that they knew about the patent. There are over 7 billion people on Earth, of course there will be people that came up with same ideas sooner or later.

If Tesla didn't invent eletricity that we use today, someone else would have sooner or later.

Its like a CPU or GPU, imagine one person is a single core and now imagine 7 billion cores working on processing various information, sooner or later they will crack it and even come up with solution.

Our brain is biological computer, the computers we used were first mechanical and now do digital calculations and we already have a computer that does quantum computing which is somewhat similar to way we are processing in a way.

Also just because something is usual does not give an excuse or pass for Philips and I doubt you would say the same if Sony or Microsoft was sued and that LOL_Wut would have made the same comments as he did here and we all know it.

Philips is patent trolling, if they werent then they would have a product that uses those patents to at least some extent.

The way philips patent is wrote, they can sue anyone that makes remotes for TV's or other devices and anyone that makes a piece of software for tablets that interacts with other device...

Anyone of supportive of Philips in winning either dislikes Nintendo or is a troll.

Companies should not be allowed to own even their own patents that they are not using, let a alone sue another company that does it differently even thought have similar concept which still does not give an excuse for suing.

herbs3596d ago

Seriously fuck Philips and there vague patents... Philips is a company that stays afloat due to their team of lawyers and wide ranging patents that they dont even use, they do not innovate or make great products they are just strait up patent trolls. How is it even legal for a company to sit on a patent wait many years for another company to have success with somthing similar and then go after them 7+ years later after they have made a ton of money. Corporations like Philips hold back innovation and basically make the world a worse place for everyone, only if every CEO of every large corporation could be like Elon Musk...

jivah3596d ago (Edited 3596d ago )

Hope you dont have own any apple or microsoft products then.

And elon musk is not doing anything good for the sake of the industry. The patents he opened up are not important. The key patents that everybody needs is the ones having to deal with the battery. Those patents have not been released and it doesnt look like he plans to

Magicite3596d ago

I own 2 Philips electronics (TV and mp3 player) and nothing from Nintendo, so just screw Nintendo for all I care.

thehobbyist3596d ago

"Fuck that company I have no stake in nor own any of their products."
God how I wish I could make that last bubble pop.

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Neonridr3596d ago

didn't this case get dismissed in the US?

randomass1713596d ago

Yeah, I thought the same thing. What the crap?

Neonridr3596d ago

I guess the UK are more tolerant for BS then.

BattleReach3596d ago

@Neonridr

It it's no BS. Nintendo is just using Philips tech. That's not BS, that's a fact.

Neonridr3596d ago (Edited 3596d ago )

@BattleReach - the case they won in the US was against a different company, my apologies for mixing the two up. It wasn't involving Philips.

djplonker3596d ago (Edited 3596d ago )

Uk and the usa are different countries with different laws phillips wouldnt have won the case without evidence that they did infact own the patent...

rdgneoz33596d ago

Many patent trolls own patents they've never used, or sneak in before someone else can patent something they're close on.

djplonker3596d ago (Edited 3596d ago )

Yeah they might be "patent trolling" but they own the rights what ever way you look at it!

Lol look at the comments on the article "the uk hates nintendo thats why they lost" yeah because thats how the worlds oldest legal system works SMH.

Neonridr3596d ago (Edited 3596d ago )

patent laws are pretty clear cut. If they have the patent rights and it's a clear violation in the UK, then it should be the same in the US. We aren't talking about opinions here, patents infringement is pretty standard.

-EDIT- The case I was referring to that was just a few days ago involved a different company not Philips. So it was a different patent infringement claim.

Ck1x3596d ago

Yeah I think the US has more strict rules against people filing patents but not using them for producing a tangible product.

thehobbyist3596d ago

In the US your patent expires if you don't make a product utilizing it within a certain period of time.

THC CELL3596d ago

Wow Phillips still exist lol loved the first phone I had as Phillips

LOL_WUT3596d ago

Wow that's a huge win for Phillips hopefully it's not a large sum Nintendo has to pay ;)

BattleN3596d ago

I don't know how you gained bubbles but your comments get so many disagree's haha!

Fel083596d ago

The guy is a huge SONY fanboy, and remember N4G is the home for SONY fanboys so that's probably how he has all those bubbles.

Ck1x3596d ago

I've never seen anyone so happy to see a company in bad light. LOL_Wut doesn't ever comment on positive articles and that's why he gets so many disagrees! He just comes across as that person who likes to go stare at the homeless, because it makes him feel better about himself in the end.

randomass1713596d ago

He's also very crude and condescending toward people who disagree with him. Normally I don't care to bring it up, but I am dumbfounded that he has six bubbles with all the disagrees he gets.

thehobbyist3596d ago

He made a bunch of alt-accounts that just bubble up him.

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BoneBone3596d ago

You know, you really should try being less of a tosser, you might make more friends.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

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purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

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XiNatsuDragnel17d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8817d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing16d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS16d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder16d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218316d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.