Yes its their patent yet they didn't use it even once, a patent troll is basically patents something, does not use it at all and then sues someone that unintentionally infringed their patent. What is the point of the patent that you aren't using...
Also since Philips in UK won so now it can sue Microsoft and Sony.
"Also since Philips in UK won so now it can sue Microsoft and Sony."
Not sure if they can. It's for motion and gesture tracking, and the way the Nintendo does it vs Sony and MS is very different. Only way it could work was if it was some broad general patent that shouldn't have been allowed to begin with ("move your body or adevice and things happen on screen" sort of bs).
If it is their patent, they have the right to not use it. If someone wants to use it, they at least have to give the posibility of licensing it, but some companies wont even do that.
It is their right, but at the same time, not a good thing. Think about a pharmaceutics company, that invented a cure for cancer, in a simple pill, they patent it and never use it, because the pill is not expensive and the other meds they produce make them more money in that area. Is it ok, if this cancer healing medicine will never be used, because someone decided to patent it, never use it and never licence it to anyone? Is it ok, if somebody still uses it to cure cancer, that this pharmaceutics company sues this person?
The whole patent system is a mess, I am for it, but not entirely, there should be laws, that at least prevent a company, thats holding a patent, from not even licensing it, if they do not use it themselves...
This is interesting...So the court ruled that Nintendo violated 2 out of the 3 patents Philips was suing for.
The first patent was filed in 2003 and then granted in 2011. Nintendo had no knowledge of the patent until 2011.
Nintendo started selling the Wii in 2006. So what should Nintendo have done? Stopped producing the Wii? Or pay Philips because they violated something that they didn't know they could violate!? Philips approached them for the licensing deal 5 years after the Wii started selling. So should Nintendo just have accepted the deal?
The other patent was filed in 2009!! 3 years after the Wii started selling. I don't know how Nintendo lost that patent though.
People are always wondering why Sony keeps making patents off of weird shit like spit sensors. This is the reason why; just because you never know. They made around a dozen patents for the Move controller; one of which is the Move Machine Gun with a screen as a scope allowing you to snipe with a screen close to you. It didn't came out to the market, but the idea is cool and theirs.
Uhhh....when it comes to patent law, I'll take the UK courts for it over a commenter on the N4G boards.
It doesn't matter if they were using THEIR patent or not. It doesn't matter if they are trolls holding onto THEIR patent. The court agreed with Philips that Nintendo infringed.
Trust me some of the top commenters on here wouldn't be questioning the ruling had Nintendo won. They just happened to get caught up using someone else's tech and now have to pay ;)
LOL_WUT if this was a patent for the original NES controller, you still would have automatically assumed Nintendo was guilty. You're in no place to criticize anyone's disposition when it comes to Nintendo articles regardless of this ruling.
No tard a Patent troll is someone who buys up patents that are similar to other products or using very old obscure ones for the purpose of using said patents to win money in law suits. This usually involves companies that only exist in name. Philips isn't one of those.
One of Philips patents that is being used against Nintendo is over nearly 20 years old and other is nearly 10 years old.
The patent infringements that Philips is suing Nintendo for are very lose, Philips could/can sue Sony for PlayStation Move, Eye Toy, PlayStation 3 and 4 camera, Microsoft for original Kinect and Kinect 2.0 and it has been already discussed around the web and entire sites such as NeoGAF agrees that Philips suit is BS.
Where was Philips when Wii was released and also I find it odd that Philips patented one patent in 2005 that partially involves Wii and Wii was in development before the Patent and so was controller.
It is like developing lets say a small container box that is also a computer that can be disassembled and assembled as one and lets say Company A is developing it and Company B finds out and guesses correctly what they are doing and they patent it then Company B sues Company A after sometime.
Also I see a lot of confirmation bias and negativity towards Nintendo from I assume are Sony fanboys and we can see that by people like LOL_Wut.
Because a company has infringed some patent does not mean that they did it intentionally or that they knew about the patent. There are over 7 billion people on Earth, of course there will be people that came up with same ideas sooner or later.
If Tesla didn't invent eletricity that we use today, someone else would have sooner or later.
Its like a CPU or GPU, imagine one person is a single core and now imagine 7 billion cores working on processing various information, sooner or later they will crack it and even come up with solution.
Our brain is biological computer, the computers we used were first mechanical and now do digital calculations and we already have a computer that does quantum computing which is somewhat similar to way we are processing in a way.
Also just because something is usual does not give an excuse or pass for Philips and I doubt you would say the same if Sony or Microsoft was sued and that LOL_Wut would have made the same comments as he did here and we all know it.
Philips is patent trolling, if they werent then they would have a product that uses those patents to at least some extent.
The way philips patent is wrote, they can sue anyone that makes remotes for TV's or other devices and anyone that makes a piece of software for tablets that interacts with other device...
Anyone of supportive of Philips in winning either dislikes Nintendo or is a troll.
Companies should not be allowed to own even their own patents that they are not using, let a alone sue another company that does it differently even thought have similar concept which still does not give an excuse for suing.
Seriously fuck Philips and there vague patents... Philips is a company that stays afloat due to their team of lawyers and wide ranging patents that they dont even use, they do not innovate or make great products they are just strait up patent trolls. How is it even legal for a company to sit on a patent wait many years for another company to have success with somthing similar and then go after them 7+ years later after they have made a ton of money. Corporations like Philips hold back innovation and basically make the world a worse place for everyone, only if every CEO of every large corporation could be like Elon Musk...
Hope you dont have own any apple or microsoft products then.
And elon musk is not doing anything good for the sake of the industry. The patents he opened up are not important. The key patents that everybody needs is the ones having to deal with the battery. Those patents have not been released and it doesnt look like he plans to
patent laws are pretty clear cut. If they have the patent rights and it's a clear violation in the UK, then it should be the same in the US. We aren't talking about opinions here, patents infringement is pretty standard.
-EDIT- The case I was referring to that was just a few days ago involved a different company not Philips. So it was a different patent infringement claim.
I've never seen anyone so happy to see a company in bad light. LOL_Wut doesn't ever comment on positive articles and that's why he gets so many disagrees! He just comes across as that person who likes to go stare at the homeless, because it makes him feel better about himself in the end.
He's also very crude and condescending toward people who disagree with him. Normally I don't care to bring it up, but I am dumbfounded that he has six bubbles with all the disagrees he gets.
And the decide to sue years after the Wii's release? Geez, wonder what took them so long. Sounds to me like they are just trying to make some money and are trying to stay relevant.
Uh oh.. This has me a bit worried since I never expected them to even win at all anywhere.
I am not really worried about the money they will have to pay but more so the fact that Philips doesn't just want money, they want to ban the Wii U from being sold anymore altogether.
So does this mean that is going to happen in the UK?
If that happens elsewhere the Wii U's future isn't looking so bright if they literally ban the system from being sold.
I truly hope they don't win this case in the US or anywhere else for that matter. Talk about a string of bad luck... Sheesh, the Wii U cannot catch a break.
Okay; so, where's Sony's case for the PS Move? What about the Kinect?
Honestly; this entire case just reeks of total hypocrisy and desperate cash-grabbing. I don't know how on earth PHILIPS managed to win this - but if a precedent has been set, I expect to see the other companies in court too. Otherwise; that'll be some SERIOUS double-standards.
Well the PS Move and Kinect use vastly different tech. Also if they were using philips tech they could have made a deal years ago about using their tech (something that is never talk about because who really cares)
I see comments on here acting like UK law is run by a bunch of gibbons. Clearly there was a case and they won (Nintendo clearly infringed on something,so what Philips wants to cash in. They have every right to). UK law isn't a joke
This will have greater implications outside of the UK. The lawyers at Phikips will now cite this case as precedent if they take the case to other regions. Nintendo will definitely appeal.
Nice UK. YOu allowed a troll to win about a patent that they never used.
didn't this case get dismissed in the US?
Ok.
Wow Phillips still exist lol loved the first phone I had as Phillips
Wow that's a huge win for Phillips hopefully it's not a large sum Nintendo has to pay ;)