The Bourne Conspiracy PS3 Requires 5GB Install

When will it all end? PS3 hard drives are gonna be full everywhere soon. Sure you can upgrade your hard drive, but do developers need to make 5GB installs all the time? The latest to share the hard drive is The Bourne Conspiracy, which shipped to retailers today from Sierra.

[fiercescuba]

mandatory game installs FTL

[drunkpandas]

If they're small, it's not that big of a deal. But so many games now requiring 4-5gb of data is just insane

[fenderputty]

but I'm not really all that concerned. You can delete install date without affecting game saves. Just reinstall later. It's a pain, but whatever. I'm thinking of getting and external HDD for my PS3 anyway.

[crck]

I mean the whole game fits into 9gb. And they have to do 5gb installs? Somethings not right there... I have a 120gb hard drive in my Ps3 with about 70gb free. But most casuals don't.

[fenderputty]

=D

I'm not casual and I don't have that much space.

Why it's so large? Sounds like a shortcut to me. Who knows though.

[Genesis5]

So why is my hard drive going to fill up? After I've played the game and beat it and then mess around with it a little bit after that. I just delete it off my hard drive. Why would I leave it on? If a while down the road I want to play it again, I'll just reinstall it.

I honestly do not see why this is such a big issue to some people. Believe me the load times are way quicker and the over all performance of the game is much better when the data is streaming from the hard drive.

[colonel179]

So you have to install 5gb so what? That is for the Game Data Utility, so whenever you finish the game you can delete it. It is not like if you delete it your game saves are going to get deleted too. People are making this a big issue because they need to find some reason to hate the ps3. If this gets resolved, I can bet a million dollars that they will find another reason.

I have 24 games, and I just have 4 games in my "Game Data Utility" folder, because I don't play most of the other. I also started playing DMC 4 again, so i installed it again and there was no problem. It's not the end of the world

[JasonXE]

why do you need to 5gb install everything when the blu ray is so big???

[CrazzyMan]

HDD was made to remove loadings, not for install of soem average games.
I hope sales will suck, people should support install for every AVERAGE game, i can deal when the game is MASTERPIECE like MGS4, FFXIII or GT5, but some average sh1t? No way!

p.s. though you can change anytime HDD to 250GB, i still don`t support when average game takes so much install.
Is that so hard to be like Naughty Dog or insomniac? Ratchet and Uncharted says hi!

[Real Gambler]

When the specifications for the PS3 came out, one of the nicest selling point was: "They will ALL have hard drives, so devs will be able to use them since it's not an option"

Now, devs use the hard drive, and they shouldn't????

What's the point of having hard drives in all the PS3 then??? Just for the look? Nah, you cannot even see it? You would think they put a hard drive in ALL the PS3 so devs could use it, but I may be wrong. Ya, those nasty devs should not use it. Heck, the PS3 also come with a game controller, but they should not use it either. Shoot, I just thought that it comes with a bluray drive too, but they should not use that too. They should ship their game on a USB key. That would be totally foolish to use the hardware provided! Yep, doesn't make sense to use something available on all the consoles. I'm sure the hard drive was not designed to hold games stuff. Those Sony engineers likely had something else in mind for it. Likely put your numerous recipes on it? Or maybe it was just for Linux... Yep, that's it, they never thought somebody would put games data on it. Dang I hate those devs : )

[mikeslemonade]

I can fit 20 5gb game installs on HDD in the PS3. Do I really need to be playing 20 games simulataneously. Just delete the install when you are done playing the game.

[bakasora]

This might represent bad coding. I played the demo, the loading is so slow.

[skynidas]

Thats a lot for such a crappy game

[Sev]

Agreed. 5GB for MGS4, perfectly acceptable. 5GB for Bourne... Nope

[MikeGdaGod]

agreed

[Says you]

Just stream load like Gurriella does for Killzone 2 thats actually a better method then taking all the space from your HDD!.

[Mr_Showtime1]

Greed & Lazyness

[pegger24]

@mr_showtime1

Do you usually do more work for the same result? I am sick of everyone always calling people laze and greedy when they do installs or take any short cuts, My guess is when you go to work you do just enough, like everyone else, and I also bet you have never said to your boss, I am going to work harder todaythan I normally do but I would like to make less money for the day.
Get off your god **** high horse, at least Sony included the option to up your hard drive, so what does it even matter

[Coheno]

Unfortunatly it also takes more time and costs more money... I think that's why many 3rd party studios choose the easy way and make a 5 GB install, which is ridiculous!

[InMyOpinion]

Not all developers have $60 million to play with like Guerilla.

If Sony(or whoever is responsible) gave them better support maybe they could.

[Mr_Showtime1]

firstly, Im at still at school so I dont work and secondly, when developers like Naughty Dog can make a came like Uncharted or Insomniac with Resistance and Ratchet and Clank with no installs or and on some occasions basically no load times, then games like this and Haze come along, which are below par games which eat up our harddrives on our PS3's and charge £40 for it then I for one am not going to accept it.

[CViper]

Naughty Dog didn't have 6 0 million for Uncharted. Yet it streams.

As does Burnout after the initial load.

Lazy developers can install on the HDD faster than they can stream/cache. If they have ridiculous deadlines. Konami could have, but hey.. for some reason they didn't.

It doesn't bother people that actually Own Ps3's because we can just uninstall old games that you dont play anymore.

It bothers 360 fans.

But lets not pretend that its impossible for the Ps3 to run games sans install.

[celticlonewolf]

Game installs are getting slightly out of hand lol what happend to the good old days of stick a disk in and of you go lol. Pitty devs can do the same as oblivion or uncharted where the just catche data to the hard drive you just need what was it around 2 gigs free no install no room taken.

[Nostradamus]

quote: "what happend to the good old days of stick a disk in and of you go"

Those "good old days" are still around, its only the PS3 that does this, the 360 and even Wii do not require installs.

[monks]

correct me if i am wrong but this seems to be mainly an issue on multi platform games

is it because of dvd vs blu ray

i remember hearing something about a file to tell the game where to find the data on a bluray other wise it increases load time trying to find the data

i am sure some of it is sloppy coding but it might just be a side affect of old tech vs new

once 360 adds a bigger media games will get bigger and this will be less of an issue maybe

this is just my thinking i am sure i am wrong :-)

[jojo319]

from what i understand BR players are not fast enough to stream the data efficiently. So the "installs" are really just cache's. I would imagine the PS3's we see 2 or 3 years from now won't require installs because the stock drives will be faster. Just a guess.

[GutZ31]

@jojo

The Blu-ray drives are on par, if not faster then DVD drives from both Wii and Xbox 360.
The issue is that architecturally, it takes a different approach to handling data, and in that, data is all read in a one sweep fashion.
The higher the speed a DVD and CD drive goes, the more errors, or "misses" in information gathering occurs.

This by no means makes Blu-ray the better format by far, it actually makes it pretty much a level field if you ask me, as Blu-rays have much more data to read in the first place as apposed to DVDs.

The biggest problem plaguing the PS3 is in fact, Sony, and 3rd party developers that don't know what the hell there doing.

[JVIDICAN]

why the hell dont they just use data duplication?
the space is there so use it its pointless having a 9GB game on a 25GB
disk and still having installs this big. if its actually taking advantage of the space im fine with that. but when theres 16GB left, use it

[poopsack]

5GB of crap? no thank you, Id rather put a 5GB video loop of spongebob singing idiotically.

[SIX]

When you beat the game you can always delete the install. Either way though a don't condone it. I see it as developers using it to take the easy way out. When I see a game like uncharted run fine without an install I call BS on everyone else who PU$$IES out.

[Pornlord]

SHENANAIGANS!!!!!

[Nitrowolf2]

dam
im not buying this game any way
but dam 5GB
MGS is 5 GB
what else is gonna eat my hardrive i need to upgrade

[Pornlord]

I use mine as a media center, I have 250 gigs left. I still clean out old game installs I don't want anymore. GTAIV is already gone. I do understand the problem however. It's gonna be an issue though, there is no end in sight, I just fixed the problem... it was cheap and REALLY easy. If you can't beat em join em I guess is what I'm trying to say.

[Aquanox]

Is still a good thing that games require a mandatory installation for the PS3?

I don't think so. In my experience, having to wait 5 - 20 minutes for each game you want to play for the first time, reducing the space available of your HDD and worse of all, not being able to play an "oldie" on the fly just plain sucks. I can't imagine having to uninstall a game just because my disc is full and I want to play one I don't have installed ATM. 2 years from now, it will be a real pain in the arse, especially for those with 20-40GB discs and no knowledge as of how to replace them (Big majority)

On the Xbox 360 you just plug and play, that's the way a console was meant to work in the first time.

[user858621]

Halo 3 and Gears 1 was 3 hours long lmao hahaha

[JIN KAZAMA]

Consoles will have SO MUCH HD content to download, from MOVIES to SHOWS,to MUCH BIGGER games. And gamers will have so much on their HDD like SONGS, DEMOS, Videos, ETC...So the fact that PS3 we can get 350 or 500GB HDD's is much better off that 360 gamers who have 120GB for 180 dollars!

[TheFART at XfagKings]

B!TCH

[Thoas]

LOL we can get a 320GB HDD for $140, but Xbox 360 owners have to pay $170 to upgrade to 120GB, Damn that must suck to erase things all the time on your 20GB?? Right now I have a 160GB HDD with 101GB left. So bring on those 4GB installs. PS3 FTW!

[Mr Fancy Pants]

-"having to wait 5-20 minutes for each game you want to play for the first time"- In my opinion that's the real problem with mandatory installations, the long time they take.... If the installations were fast then all would be, perfect?

every console have their pros and cons, nothing new but for me the PS3 has all the pros i am interested! like FF games, blu-ray player, free online...

at the end the mandatory installations is just one of the many cons of the PS3 but that's not something as serious as reliability problems? ok that's bad.

[Light Yagami]

They're also not suppose to break down and scratch your games. I'm glad I am able to upgrade my HDD for cheap unlike another console.

[Aquanox]

@ Thoas:

So PS3 users will have to spend $150-$200 bucks more just to be able to play a wide variety of games at a given time?

I honestly prefer just plugging and play them. After all, it's true that Xbox 360's HDDs are more expensive, but at least you know they will be full by worthly stuff instead of Game installations just to make up for the slow drive speed of the console (In the case of the PS3 blu-ray)

[juuken]

...And that's why it's outdated.

[ravinshield]

oblivion...4.6gb required
sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install
full auto 2...1.7gb required
spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install
hot shot golf...5gb-five min install
skate...2.5gb--five min install
rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required
wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required
F.E.A.R...2.5gb required
NBA 07....3gb-ten min install
lost....3.6gb---six minute install
conflict denied ops...2.5gb required
beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install
GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install
Quake=4.1 GB install
GTA 4...5 min install.
battlefield:BC...300mb required
Bourne Conspiracy..5GB Install required

.hope you didnt buy a 40 gig
WEll all i got to say is
WAIT B3YOND or INSTALL BEYOND

[juuken]

Wow ravinshield...you're actually proving how outdated the 360 truly is! Those installs don't even take that long! Surely, a gamer cannot be THAT impatient to play a game!

Your list fails and so does your argument.

[Aquanox]

- After a few games installed...
Is still a good thing that games require a mandatory installation for the PS3?

I don't think so. In my experience, having to wait 5 - 20 minutes for each game you want to play for the first time, reducing the space available of your HDD and worse of all, not being able to play an "oldie" on the fly just plain sucks. I can't imagine having to uninstall a game just because my disc is full and I want to play one I don't have installed ATM. 2 years from now, when game libraries will grow exponentially, it will be a real pain in the arse for the consumer, especially for those with 20-40GB discs and no knowledge as of how to replace them (Big majority)

On the Xbox 360 you just plug and play, that's the way a console was meant to work in the first time.

[jackdoe]

Lol. Wii, not the 360, is the best/closest example of the way consoles are supposed to work (for the most part, don't even get me started on Nintendo's horrid wi-fi). Quiet, reliable, cheap, and no installs.

[name]

For a game of this calibur 5 gb install is definetly lazyness. Uncharted and resistance 2 can run a game with no load times with all that crap going on on screen yet they need 5 gb install just to..shorten it? I call bs

[AlterEgo]

Ok, NOW this is getting out of hand.

I do have a 160GB HDD, but wtf good is it if I have to fill it up with mandatory game data?

As others said, MGS4's I'll accept gladly, but its a 50GB game for goodness sake.

These other companies are abusing the option.

[jackdoe]

That is lame, especially for a game like Bourne Conspiracy. Gamers are willing to accept them for AAA titles like GTAIV, but for a B-C level game? I wouldn't think so.

[Avto]

like anyone cares no one is gonna by this game so let it have its install

[Euphrate]

I've got 560GB

So I DO NOT GIVE A FACK.

[Nostradamus]

So I do care.

[Raoh]

but it beats having crappy framerates and load times.

like someone else said you can delete your game data that gets installed without deleting your game saves.

i have deleted most of my installs from games after i beat them. i dont see myself playing dark sector, condemned 2 etc ever again so i only kep the game saves just in case.

[Drekken]

I usually stick up for installs, but 5GB for this turd isnt even worth a rent!

[mariusmal]

i downloaded both demos for the x360 and the ps3. i compared them very lightly and the ps3 version doesnt even haves antialiasing on. and now 5g install ? we already saw both consoles are great... who do i blame ? lazy devs of course.

[princejb134]

i dont think its the developers fault
i think it was sonys gamble by adding the blue ray drive which has slow reading speed
but if developers also wanted faster reading speed might as well duplicate the files since they should have enough space on the disk to do it

[mariusmal]

i dont think it's only the read speed. the architectures of the consoles are very different. some publishers just want to capitalize on their products without caring about the quality. then we have the real devs.... infinity ward etc etc. that made a great game on all 3 platforms.

[name]

Yeah I defend installs for majorly important games like GTA4/MGS4, but for crap games like Lost planet, haze, etc it's just rediculous. And what's with 5 gb being the standard? It's either a small install or it immedietly jumps to 5 with these people.

[ChefDejon]

needs to talk to these devs quick

[gnothe1]

this game isnt that bad, i dont know where all the hate for this game is coming from. i had a good bit of fun with it. I'm buying it for my 360 anyway, maybe not first day but soon. but MGS4 next week for sure first day.

[JIN KAZAMA]

2 years from now consoles will have SO MUCH HD content to download, from MOVIES to SHOWS,to MUCH BIGGER games. And gamers will have so much on their HDD like SONGS, DEMOS, Movies, Movie trailers, Music Videos ETC...So the fact that PS3 we can get 350 or 500GB HDD's is much better off that 360 gamers who have 120GB for 180 dollars!

[TheFART at XfagKings]

Lets not mention that Mr Aquanox was one of the scammers that made a DMC4 Comperisim thread on another forum and posting news here. Taking screenshots from IGN and editing them on Photoshop by putting lower resolution and change colour of PS3 side and have been proven false.

[Aquanox]

Yes, that forum was PS3forums.com, and they of course WANTED TO BELIEVE that those pictures were edited since the difference in quality and detail was so abysmal in favor of the Xbox 360.

The proof that the comparison was 100% real, unedited is here:

http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

In addition, this is a summary of what the voice in the IGN video said:

Xbox 360 Disadvantages

"This is a matter of preference, but gamers will notice that the camera comes in very close to Sam's back on the 360 version."

PS3 Disadvantages

"The PS3 versions has overall brighter environments, however the lighting is less dynamic causing things to look washed out and loosing the blackness of the shadows.

The textures and character models on PS3 suffer from a decrease in quality. For example the first prison guard that Sam assails is completely different on 360 than it is on PS3. In the included video you can see that the 360 version has an open mouth and more details in his face and clothing.

The PS3's frame rate is not as smooth as the 360's. In the very first level this is evident when simply rotating the camera around Sam.

Some small effects have been dropped from the 360 version. Like the special distortion that occurs when he puts on his night vision goggles. On PS3 the screen simply turns green instead becoming wavy and heavily outlining every thing."

So, sorry, the comparison was REAL. =)

[AllroundGamer]

wow so many games requiring install makes me sad, because other developers will see it like a quick problem solver when they don't know how to stream properly data during gameplay...

[zypher]

why all these mandetory installs all of a sudden? so far i've had a total of about 16 games for my PS3, and before DMC4 came out the only one that had a sizeable install (roughly 5gb) was Oblivion. all other games had minimal installs (averaging like 200mb). now all of a sudden games are taking up chunks of hdd space, and ALL of it is mandetory. what gives? if this is gonna be the trend of things Sony really needs to consider a 200gb PS3 sku. i for one am not excited about the prospect of having to buy a separate hdd so soon. 35gb out of 60/55gb left, and MGS4 hasn't even come out. i can only imagine how much space Fallout 3, Resistance 2, LBP, Soul Calibur 4 etc will take up.

[jackdoe]

I don't believe Resistance 2, LBP, or Soul Calibur will require installs. Fallout 3 takes up 3-4gb, but not through the process of a lengthy installation (more like caching data).

[AllroundGamer]

LBP will definitely have HDD install, because of the custom made content and faster loading of objects/textures when in editor mode.

[jackdoe]

Right. Completely forgot it is a PSN game which is supposed to be on your harddrive to begin with.

[princejb134]

wasnt this pretty obvious
almost all games coming out in the future gonna have at least 5 gig install
still like my ps3 more than the 360

[PoSTedUP]

5 gigs! get the fu*k.. thats one reason i am not buying this game. i have 80 gigs and from all my photos/music ect. i have nothing left. they gotta stop doing this. its a good thing i can get close to a terra flop of space for the price of a 120gig HD for the 360 cause its about time i upgrade to a 250gig. sh*t i might go all out and buy a terra flop : )

[TheMART]

Damn another game?

So those 40GB PS3's are already doomed with all that games installed you have to start delete another one, and when you want to play it again, wait 25 minute for installation.

Sounds like a PC. You say keyboard/mouse positive, with installation it is a PC. NICE console gaming there. NOT

[TheFART at XfagKings]

says the idiot that cannot afford a real PC and instead buys a cheapman's PC called X360.

Nearly All X360 exclusives are way better on PC.

[heyheyhey]

yeah except only 4 games have a 5gb install so far

and there's like 6 games that have tiny installations

no big deal, hundreds of games don't have one

what are the odds thats someone would want every game that requires an installation on their PS3

and that person could have an upgraded HDD

[TheMART]

@ one of the countless mini-me's I have

First off you sound sad over buying a PS3. Second: you have to admit, console gaming is ment to be put in and play. Not to put in and install. And certainly not put in, install with many games having no room on the HDD anymore.

That's just plain sad.

BTW I own a great PC setup, but I prefer playing on the 360 with controller on my HDTV instead of PC at the desk and a keyboard thats meant to TYPE on

@ heyheyhey

1. Bourne Conspiracy
2. DMC4
3. Hot Shots Golf
4. GTAIV (3GB install but still a lot)
5. Lost Planet
6. Haze
7. MGS4 (will have a 5GB install)

That's already 6 x 5GB = 30GB + 3 = 33GB and more games will follow.
Just to speed up the slow BluRay game loading times.

25 minutes installs. It's a PC. This is no console gaming anymore.

[heyheyhey]

yeah.... but do you know anyone who has all those games and intends to play them more than once and who DOESN'T have an upgraded HDD?

no, i didn't think so

those installs have advantages too you know- less strain on the BD drive and improved performance (well obviously, why else do they exist?)

[heyheyhey]

doesn't bother me

im getting a 320gb drive next month

il take the reduced loading times and less texture pop-in thanks

[Aquanox]

You're spending even more money on the already expensive Playstation 3 just for the ability of playing various games at a given time? Something that the Xbox 360 does by default.

I don't see the good deal here.

By the way, very few people is able to spend so much money on a console, especially now in times of recession.

[heyheyhey]

and i shall use it to store hi-def pr0n :)

besides, i can get them mega-cheap

and im not getting it because of the installations, im getting it because i can and you can't and that makes me feel big and clever

[Aquanox]

How exactly does that level of reply make you feel big and clever? lol...

[juuken]

Aquanox, may I ask why you're making such a big deal about this? Installs go by very, very fast. They don't take up that much space either. I installed GTAIV on my PS3 and it was done before I could snap my fingers. Installs improves the game's overall quality.

Stop spinning damage control for heaven's sake. Once MS makes a system that's more reliable and it's cheaper, I'll consider it. But for now? PS3 FTW.

[kewlkat007]

and we all were hating on CAPCOM.

sorry CAPCOM...looks like it's the new trend.(for obvious perfect reasons)

Again the 360 does not require it..but nothing new here. This is the work arounds Devs talked about when developing for the PS3. At least one of them.

This will hurts 20-40 gigers after a short while and 60-80 gigers after the long haul.

You'll have to start erasing games, after a while..ouch

[Meus Renaissance]

Play Beyond

[Aclay]

It's no big deal for god's sake, PS3 owners like myself can upgrade our hard drives whenever we want. I could go out and buy a 250GB hard drive for my PS3 for the same price that Microsoft charges for a 120GB hard drive for the Xbox 360.

Bourne Conspiracy is a waste of hard drive space anyways. The only game coming out in June that will have the honor of taking up 5GB+ of space on my Hard drive is Metal Gear Solid 4.

If every Xbox 360 was shipped with hard drives, then I don't see any reason why the 360 wouldn't have an install either, but every 360 doesn't come shipped with a hard drive and that's the main reason why the 360 doesn't have installs. If the Game Installation will improve the experience of the game by cutting down on load times, I'm fine with it. It's a shame how so many people in the gaming industry b*tch and moan about every little small thing and take every chance they can to nitpick on anything in regards to the PS3.

[B3RS3RK3RGANG]

-Nobody is going to play this lame game anyways

[Mr Marbles]

this console just has so much negative baggage, how do they expect any multiplat games to sell on PS3? I mean seriously who would have thought that PS3 would be such a flop of a console when it was first announced.

[Fade_Walker]

Devil May Cry 4
Haze
The Bourne Conspiracy
Metal Gear Sold 4
Lost Planet

If this keeps up I might as well put a 1TB HDD in my PS3 :(

[Kyur4ThePain]

Do you keep every game you've ever bought, or do you eventually trade them in for a new game?

[Mikey_Gee]

If shops like EB or GS are gonna "F" me as hard as they do on trade in value, they better be buying me dinner and a movie first

Motorstorm = $7
Waaaahhhhhhhhhh

They I see it on the shelves an hour later .. USED ... $50

[snoop_dizzle]

I mean if they made it optional i wouldn't mind. Some games granted i might delete it off my HDD like Genisis5 said up at the top on the first page in a reply.

But if game after game are coming out, and i will be replaying them it will get annoying. I have been thinking of getting a bigger HDD though i have a 60 gig HDD and have 19 gigs left, and i was thinking of installing linux so i will probably have to anyways lol.

In that case its not so bad. For me at least.

[360 OWNS]

What Will You Play?

[Kyur4ThePain]

"The Bourne Conspiracy PS3 Requires 5GB Install"
That's the negative spin version.

"The Bourne Conspiracy PS3 Gets 5GB Install...360 doesn't".
That's the other way of looking at it.

All these articles do is make it sound like the game just couldn't work without an install. I'm sure the devs would LOVE to be able to do the same on the 360, but just can't because they don't know whether you have a HDD or not, so they have to find a work-around for it every time.

See? It makes just as little sense the other way around.

[Mikey_Gee]

I thought it was a cool nice to have FEATURE to be able to do a quick swap to upgrade your PS3 hard-drive .... as it turns out .... soon enough it will not be a cool nice to have FEATURE, but a REQUIREMENT.

NOT COOL ...

Whatever happend to having the OPTION to install or not ??

[Doctor Strange]

If it helps reduce load times and adds other benefits I don't mind the 4-5 GB installs but I do wish they optional so people have a choice if they don't that game filling up their hard drive.

[SuperSaiyan4]

And thats what you get thanks to the padding and installation so the measly 2x speed blu-ray drive can read the data on the disc...

[Silogon]

I now realise why every ps3 had a manditory HDD in them. It's because they knew t90% of all ps3 games, ports and so forth would require HDD installs. Without an HDD the ps3 user/consumer would've been assed out. Sony needs to be shut down over this one. I'm sick of manditory installs and I have a 150gb in mine. It's absurd to have 20 games and 13 of them take 5 gb a pop. Think about it. you buy a game and have to erase ones cache and data just to run the new one. How absurd is this?

[Mikey_Gee]

I am in the same boat and the same train of thought ....

Un-Freaken-Real

I have over 35 games on another console I own (will not mention any names for fear of fanboy banter). If I had a MANDATORY install, I would now have to start deciding what to start dumping. And God Forbid I wanted to DL's some demos, music or movies.

[Silogon]

What burns my ass is this, though. Let's say that this game used all 9 gb of the xbox 360's disc. That leaves 41 gb left on the ps3's blu-ray for them to put this damn 5 gb cache mandatory install. You "sony fanboys" tell me why this is even remotely acceptable? We have 41 gb sitting on all of our multiplatform games and then we're told to install 5 gb on our hdds? This needs to stop!

[Mikey_Gee]

I think it is to help eliminate the LOAD times.

If you get a chance do a VS from Orange Box HL games from both and see the PAINFULL difference.

[Silogon]

Painful how, though? I've seen HL on my PC long ago and I've seen HL on the xbox 360 at my buddies house and I've seen it on the Ps3 when I rented it. The Ps3 version was gimped. Big time.

[Mikey_Gee]

The PS3 version of HL has Looooooooooooooooong load times.

[REPLOID24]

delete it later.

[EDF 2017]

Who would waste their money on that PC woops I meant PS3. Why oh why would you buy a console with mandatory install, its a console for christ's sake.

[ElementX]

This whole thing sounds fishy to me. Installs suck. A lot of people have a fair number of games. If they only buy a 40GB system they'll have to delete stuff. Before you go and say "you can get a 200GB drive for $99", you shouldn't have to! Sony should've seen this coming. What if a gamer has a nice collection of games and someone wants to come over and play an older game? Too bad! You have to install and waste a half hour, or worse, you run out of HDD space and don't want to delete anything.

[Bladestar]

I guess it's safe to include another hard drive when buying a PS3.... obviously what the console comes with will not be enough as every game is requiring mandatory installs... I said it before... reading speed limitation of blu-ray and it's ability to move quick enough from one sector to another of the disc... forced developers to have to implement this workaround...

This better have 0 loading compare to the xbox 360 version... because the fact that this game fits in a single DVD9... is unacceptable.

[Ali_The_Brit]

its down to lazy Devs not the PS3, if this was made by a GOOD game dev it wud be like 3GB

[name]

Bladestar, seriously don't post in PS3 threads. Everyone knows everything you say has some fanboy motivation behind it. Either go to the open zone or just learn to stop being so bias.

[Bladestar]

only if you and every other anti-xbox 360 guy do not post comments on xbox 360 articles... besides why are you so mad for what I said... you are just mad because what I say is a fact... I didn't made it up... is more than an opinion... 40GB that the PS3 comes with is not enough if every game is going to be requiring mandatory installs... so, that $400 + hard drive... which brings the PS3 to over $500...

[livespawn]

now i can understand a huge game like MGS4 having a 5GB install. whats this games excuse? it fits on a DVD9 for Christs sake and has no reason to need a 5GB install. i think that multi-plat games like these should have smaller installs ( because there are many more multi-plats vs exclusives) to make it easier on ps3 owners, but, then again u could always get a 500GB HDD or a 1TB if your feeling lucky ;)

[SL1M DADDY]

Yeah, that's if you're stupid enough to keep all of the game data on your HDD when your done playing the game. Come on, if this is truly a big deal then some people need to grow a few extra brain cells and figure out how to install the larger HDD. Good god, what a bunch of pansies.

[Mu5afir]

is for store and run games / applications / movies. (exclamation point)

[n4gzz]

I can guarantee that when next xbox 720 or ps4 comes out, it's gonna have mandatory install on every game. Its called game getting more high standard in terms of graphic and other visuals. Sony is little ahead of time but it will be there then what these media gonna say about it ??

[Bladestar]

No it will not have mandatory installs..
"Its called game getting more high standard in terms of graphic and other visuals." you are so wrong... why don't you show me prove of this... are you saying.. that this game will look better in terms of graphics and visuals than the xbox 360 version.... all games that are now on the xbox 360 and the PS3 which require mandatory installs on the PS3 do not have any obvious improvements... DMC does not load nor look better on the PS3... nor does GTA4... so don't come with that non-sense... and the 720 will not need to have mandatory installs... do you know why? because the blu-ray it will come with it will probably be 5 times faster than the one the PS3 currently have...

They are already producing blu-ray drives for the PC that are 2-3 times faster then the PS3... which mean the disc will be able to transfer the data directly from the drive.. and not have to install.

[n4gzz]

No proof at the moment. But I have something called brain and I can think where video game industries are going. Who would have imagined this high def game when you were playing brick game in 80's in computer which didn't even have hard drive. Now 500 GB is standard in desktop. So what you gonna do with space which gives you advantage on making games???

720 with blue ray ??
Are you kidding me !! Why would 720 will need blue ray!! MS don't need advance technology. I bet they can make killzone's graphic game on atari. Dude you just told yourself that technology advancement is good for advance game. And hard disk will play major part in it. TRUST ME.

[kewlkat007]

it's dumb to keep your games and cache info on the system after you play it, then again what if:

1.You wanna go back to the game because some new "DLC" came out?

2.Your friend comes over and would like to see or play some of your games?

3. You would like to finish this game but you started some others and you are running out of room?

While some are aware you can upgrade the HDD but at 5 GB a pop, that soon too will be full, I can't imagine 40 gig and 60 Gig devices.

While Sony did Pick BD "for whatever logical reasons I have yet to realize or see the major difference currently" not many people thought about this, when we were hearing the marketing blitz of the PS3. We thought this was gonna be optional at best.

While loading some of the game on the HDD does have it's advantages(Very similar to the PC architecture) then what is the big advantage of BD? All I see is waiting..waiting to install a game and HDD space being used up very fast.(regardless if you can upgrade your HDD) Nowhere in the PS3 manual, does it say Sooner or Later you will need to Upgrade.

Of course it has it's advantages I can't deny that so I will not complain but it should not be accepted. Like everything Sony does. It's Ok to do but not the competition. It's OK for MGS4 but not other games, WTF is wrong with gamers? That's so hypocritic looking at the PRINCIPAL.

[DJ]

It simply STORES data. But optical media is exponentially slower than Hard Drives, which is why devs lean towards HDD caching and installations. Gamers like us have been complaining about long load times, and HDD usage is basically the only way to fulfill our demands without sacrificing the quality of the title.

[Salta_nelas]

" On the Xbox 360 you just plug and play, that's the way a console was meant to work in the first time.
"
Nice, that´s because there is no standard HDD, your loss.

[Aquanox]

False. That's because the 12x DVD is capable of keeping up with good loading speeds whereas a 2x Blu-ray isn't.

[juuken]

...And I'm wondering why you have so many bubbles at the moment Aquanox.

[Fux4Bux]

With MGS4 it's acceptable because you know they used it well. 5GB for garbage like Bourne is just lazy programing.

And quick acting like install data matters for HDD size. YOU CAN DELETE IT. It's separate from the saves and it's not like you're playing 12 games at once.

[DJ]

2GB: that would be perfect. But most devs shouldn't go anywhere near this amount. Just look at Naughty Dog -> Zero installation, gorgeous game. I better upgrade my HDD soon.

Sony put in the hard drive mostly for Caching and recreational use (videos, dlc, music, photos). I guess they didn't see this coming...

[Knightofelemia]

Thats not the only game to require 5 gigs of memory Haze also requires that much of harddrive space.

[Rockstar]

Not me.

[Rockstar]

It now appears as though I do in fact care.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Aquanox]

Perhaps because I don't go for the standard and cheap trolling and try to back my posts with fact, my friend.

[juuken]

What kind of facts may I ask?
The one that makes the PS3 sound really bad when it's one of the best systems anyone could own?