"With all the hype behind DirectX 12, the upcoming API update for Xbox One and PC which is due in 2015, it will be foolish to think Sony are not working to improve their own API."
After seeing the order,uncharted,bloodborne and multiplatform games on ps4 I know it will improve.
Not to mention driveclub. That game is making me a believer.
It still blows my mind that this is only the beginning. If Uncharted 4 looks this good now, how will Naughty Dog's last PS4 game look? The jump from Uncharted 1 to The Last of Us was enormous.
"After seeing the order,uncharted,bloodborne and multiplatform games on ps4 I know it will improve." IMO it should go like this: "After seeing the order,uncharted,bloodborne and multiplatform games on ps4 I doubt it even needs improvement."
Sony is pushing the pedal to the metal.
Too soon? Still upset about the Drive Club delay? ;) /s
Naughty Dog and the ICE team are all hard at work listening to this song. :D http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@Totsuko : Currently listening to that song while working on the stuff ^^
I think the biggest trouble is keeping the cpu busy with all the cores running. Once they get more from the CPU and also gpgpu for physics things will get alot smoother.
@ the long title. - "PS4 API Can Go Down To The Metal, Specific Optimizations Not On PC Will Improve Performance Further." I think the consoles will improve and get better over time, same as usual like in the past. being realistic, hardware though will have it's limitations do to being closed architecture. I think the major benefactor though is PC, utilizing the benefits of a console like API (such as mantle and DX12) defiantly tears down the stereotypical myths of poor range of support, as far as hardware goes. no longer will PCs have to use brute force power to emulate consoles.
Some things you just can't (reliably) do on a PC. For example, UMA optimization (will not work on DGPUs) or the fixed memory layout (fixed size buffers) and so on. Kaveri is the only APU which can support some of this on a PC but is far to slow to even bother.
Exactly. PC games are going to be in a bit of a renaissance in the next couple of years because of the PC hardware crammed into the current consoles. And at the above- yes, each console with have specific things that they can do that the PC or the competing console can not do. And the same in reverse. Its a non issue really.
So the PS4s true form is Kaguya!?
Lol...your comments, I give up!
All of the systems will improve over time, but Ps4 and Xbone have much more straight-forward hardware this gen. We really shouldn't buy into any of the hype about massive improvements.
Most PS4 game developers are currently using the GNMX API because it's similar to DirectX 11 and other graphics APIs. The PS4 has a much lower level API known as GNM that developers will start to utilize primarily. One of the main reasons PS3 games improved with time wasn't that developers mastered the Cell, but that they switched over from the OpenGL based API supported by the PS3 to LibGCM.
another flamebait piece
How so? It must have mentioned things you didn't want to hear.
just except the greatest tool/api workers in the game(iceteam/sony) is much ahead of ms/dx12.
huh??? didnt everyone already know this could anybody same the same about xbone and wiiu or any other console. thats what happen when you make a close system. if they are trying to compare it to pc power dont bother. pc will always be stronger and come up with new tech. next gen consoles were outdated when they were first announced. devs maybe dont code as efficent as the do on console but with cheap game engines and newer(way more power tech) console will be left in the dust. try reading this: http://devblogs.nvidia.com/... http://blogs.nvidia.com/blo... https://www.youtube.com/wat... and they are working with intel. bandwidth is going to be on a whole new level. late again i see.
Where will you find a PC Capable of Uncharted 4 Level Graphics for 400 dollars? Just asking, because while computers will always be the better choice for those that only care about "Graphics" 2000 dollars is where most top of the line computers are at.
you do know when new tech comes out, the older tech becomes cheaper right. http://www.amazon.com/PS3-5... thats $250 for something that been out for 8 years. if a $600- 700 rig is better than ps4, what you think your going to get with the same amount next year. use common sense. this is happening right now, and its going to continue to happen every year. gtx 770 cost $350 now next year it will be $250. spin spin spin.
Real sad that you have to make PC fans look like jerks with an ignorant comment like that.
PC hardware will definitely make the jump sometime in the near-not -so-near future but as of right now if you look at the performance on a bang for your buck basis, the consoles have PC beat. Especially when you consider the "Straight forward pc architecture" that they have. Look at performance of games like Battlefield 4, Tomb Raider, Watch Dogs vs what you need to compare on PC, Watch Dogs especially. The consoles are due for a jump as well though and that is UNDENIABLE. I
It's true that high end PCs currently have superior hardware to the PS4, but that doesn't mean that some truly incredible games won't be made for the PS4. Elite console devs like Naughty Dog will create games that have some of the best visuals around. That said, there will be newer games on PC that will always surpass whatever comes out on the consoles. I loved the Uncharted games and they were gorgeous games, but they weren't the very best looking games I played last generation. Games on PC like Crysis, The Witcher 2, Metro Last Light, Far Cry 3 and Tomb Raider were the best looking games I played last generation and looked better than anything I played on consoles. I think we should all be happy that games in general are starting to look absolutely incredible. Most games are going to look so good that in a way it's almost pointless to worry about which ones look better.
Gameslayer- If you want to make such a comparison, you can't forget how much it costs per year to play PS4 games online. The real cost of a PS4 over a 6 year life span is $700. You know that every time you repeat that $2000 number, it just makes you look foolish And FYI, that Uncharted 4 clip from E3 is not what the game is going to look like. That was a pre-rendered cinematic clip. Even the disclaimer at the beginning says that it was "Captured on a Playstation 4". Well... there's a huge difference between capturing video and rendering in real time.
@AndrewLB That was in game footage this was confirmed by ND on twitter: http://www.gameinformer.com...
Have fun playing uncharted on your PC. Wait a minute... do you mean to tell me that there are some games that are not available on the pc? Thats downright blasphemy. Seriously this pc vs concole debate is funny. It's an opinion. You can like pc better or your ps4 but there are advantages to both. They both offer a different experience. PC has a performance edge because you can cram more hardware. Consoles have a convenience edge because games are optimized with no need to upgrade equipment. Yes not only do I mean developers optimize games for consoles but generally pc's get an unoptimized port. Like with watchdogs.
@AndrewLB "If you want to make such a comparison, you can't forget how much it costs per year to play PS4 games online. The real cost of a PS4 over a 6 year life span is $700. You know that every time you repeat that $2000 number, it just makes you look foolish" With my PS+ subscription, i got over $2,000+ dollars in games last year. I just repeated that $2,000 dollar number, and just made you look like a fool.
The rest i agree with but bloodborne? The most we got of that were gifs of pff screen gameplay, the trailer was cgi.
I am all for ps4 improving further. Uc4, the order 1886, driveclub have already blown my mind away.
PS4 is a beast. I remember the PS2 era, and PS4 is PS2 reincarnated. PS4 is in it's 1st year and look at the results!! This is just the beginning. No amount of spin coming from the 'other console' fanboys can change that. It burns like lava that PS4 is more powerful and has better IP's. Burn Baby Burn! #hulksmash
Ps4 is just a crazy beast. This gen is gonna be amazing for sony gamers. As usual.
sony is a top dog in this game. they bring us the best soo things like this im not worried about. all last generation when people bashed sony and microsoft paid there way around the industry i was sticking with sony. LOOK HOW THE TABLES HAVE TURNED, and its pure power and games bringing the masses to sony camp not any lies and pay offs.
Soooooo ... do we just say "OHHH YESSS it's going to bring us 4K Graphics" ... orrrr do we take the wait and see approach like we do with the other console?... Because seeing is believing and not just hearing people use this PR crap about this and about that... Cannot wait to see what the future holds..
Obviously you're one of those people who stuck your finger in your ears, shut your eyes and started yelling lalalalalalalala while the uncharted 4 and the order 1886 trailers were showing.
lol .. i haven't seen any UC4 gameplay have you?.. didn't think so ... and obviously you're one of those people that brush off the cloud and Dx12 but jump for joy when reading this article..
Thing is: what's being said about the PS4 improving actually sounds reasonable, and have been proven to happen in the past, or are statements made by arguably the best in the business, and who DON'T have a track record of lying or making outlandish claims. What Microsoft said about their improvements is utterly ridiculous. Increasing the power of the console even twofold is out of the question, let alone four times, like they said even as recently as last month in Japan. You already know this, but I don't expect a new troll to acknowledge such things.
how am i a troll if u guys believe everything Sony spews but then brushes off everything Micro says?.. sounds to me like u guys r the trolls .. i play games u guys r loyal to brands that aren't loyal to y'all i own a ps4 ... don't play it .. but own one .. own a xbox only thing i don't own is a wii which judging by their e3 i should look into .. but do not label me a troll because i do not follow the crowd... u guys need to take your blinders off...
@spotie where did u read that MS said dx12 can make Xbox 3x-4x stronger? Didn't they only claim to reduce CPU workload by only 50%? Removing Kinect help increase performance by 10%-20%? On the other hand, people on here never question ice team when they say new API optimization can improve performance by 10x-100x, or using words like bananas? Are u sure u not twisting the fact around or because you have some reading comprehension issues if you think Ice team claim is legit, but MS is utterly ridiculous. I can tell you one thing, 3rd party are already switching to dx12 (it benefits every thing from PC, console to mobile devices). Give me a reason why they would they use something that only benefit ps4?
@baodeus I believe he is talking about MS cloud statements about improving the Xone 2-4 times. "Give me a reason why they would they use something that only benefit ps4" Same reason they did for every other console, sells man sells.
@dark_king thanks for helping Spotie answer some questions but you should also remind him that he should stay on topic. This is about API right or are we talking about CLOUD now? It is kinda a trend here that the people i ask, never able to answer them while others have to jump in to answer for them. Very strange. since you are at it, who do you think are more ridiculous in their claim about what their API can do? MS (50% = 1.5x) or Sony (10x-100x/bananas)? not to mention MS has been doing DX for ever, while what API has Sony made that can be utilize for any other graphic cards/hardware? About sell, do you think Sony will out sell MS 7 to 1 ratio like back then with PS2 vs orginal xbox, or do you think the ratio would be more like 7:5 or 7/6? Do you think there are such things as saturation point for any games. Example: GoW always sell around 3-5 million, GeoW = 5-6 million regardless of increase in install base correct? infact KZ3 sell less than KZ2 with more install base out there. With those two things to consider, do you think developer will use exclusive API for Ps4 first and wasted more time to develop for PC, Mobile, or Xbox one (if you think ratio is 7:1)? or do you think they are more likely to use an API that are similar on 3 other hardwares and still easily support Ps4 (better hardware, faster ram, etc...)?
Believe_Games dont even try. optimization improve over time on consoles and consoles close system let devs program more deeper, this is somehow new on this site. they could have said we can achieve 4k and ps fanboys would believe them. ps fanboy logic # 12 when sony state something obvious and know, act like its knew, and when the state something to be suspicious believe its law. IT has been written. in sony we trust
I have no doubt we will be seeing Uncharted 4 like graphics running at 1080p and 60 frames per second by the end of the second year or beginning of the third year of the console. PC enthusiasts automatically compare the PS4 to PC hardware, but you cannot do that because of the unique specifications of the hardware. They forget that the PS4 does not have background services running, it doesn't have five layers of drivers they have to plow through in order to get different pieces of hardware talking to each other. So comparing PS4 hardware to a midrange PC is actually wrong. I would imagine, once the API has matured we will be looking at a comparison with a high-end PC, though not Max. As the OS and API shrink, it opens up more memory for the CPU and GPU, which in turn allows higher resolution textures and effects. More of everything on the screen. Better AI optimization. That is really the difference between consoles and PCs, consoles are made specifically to play games, whereas PCs are made to do pretty much everything. Creating that need for the brute force that high-end graphics cards use to play games at higher resolutions and maximum frame rates. They have to fight through all of the background services and driver APIs in order to just play the games. I'd love to see PCs go back to DOS, whereas all of that brute force would be used specifically for the games and nothing else. I think even high-end PC owners will be impressed by what the PS4 hardware can do towards the middle and end of its lifecycle. Of course, there will always be those who will deny it even coming close… Just because they have to justify all the money they put into the machine to get it to the point where it is now. That's just the nature of the beast. Not just with PC enthusiasts, but all electronics.
Do you have any idea what kind of specs a high end PC will be pushing towards the end of the PS4's lifecycle? The PS4 will improve. The Xbox will improve. But PCs will improve more. It's not a comparison worth stressing over. The consoles offer a whole lot of gaming for £350.
I think he's talking about the current/in about the next year definition of high end pcs.
Sweet, so this means if you have all the consoles like I do, you get to enjoy all the great games on all the consoles right? So far I haven't honestly seen anything look very noticeably better on my PS4 than X1...but hey making things better is only a plus for gamers all the way around...so if Sony can start making better looking games (that are fun to play most importantly) then this is all great news for gamers. I'm gonna be SOOOO busy with games for at least the next year and a half...it's great.
Finally, you lost that second last bubble. I was starting to think it was never going to happen.
Lol. Sure buddy.
"So far I haven't honestly seen anything look very noticeably better on my PS4 than X1." Really??
Some people need to stop buying games until they can afford either a better TV or vision correction.
i think even with directx 1000000 the xbone cant reach the level of uncharted 4
You're almost as much as a fanboy as georgenoob. XD, fanboys this gen, I swear.
Oh wow have you seen Uncharted behind close doors. How does it look?
nowbody saw other gameplay behind close door even the naughty dogs confirm that her is the only gameplay trailer https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I Know Edi007 trailers are misleading. I want judge Uncharted until we see some actual gameplay. The samething goes for a DirectX12 game. In theory it's suppose to balance the load off the GPU and CPU. Lets wait and see if Uncharted looks as good as it trailer.
Microsoft's plan was to release crap ports for 2 years while they worked on DirectX 12, and ms fanboys celebrate
Sony plan is to release a ton of indies to fill in the blank space until the big exclusives come.
Apapapapap, uh Sony darling.... we don't need you going all MS on us. Just keep improving and let the games do all talking. Last thing we gamers need is two companies who are all hat and no cattle running off at the mouth about better SDKs, Optimizations, Cloud Power, blah blah blah.
I've never taken the time to comment here, but over time I've found it to be pretty interesting to see the way these threads play out. I'm not a fanboy. I, prefer Sony in all honesty. They tend to create more immersive, narrative driven games. That being said I went with the Xbox One this generation. With my girlfriend's son having a Ps4 in our house I decided I'd like the chance to check out series I've never played. I.E. Gears, Halo etc... This seemed to me the better route as opposed to two Ps4s. I want as much accessible content as possible. At the distance I sit from my 57 in T.V (about 8 ft) I truly can't perceive the gulf in mutilplats graphical fidelity that the numbers show are there. I'm probably not as astute at spotting the differences as some either. Console exclusives are different, and I know Sony will be the forerunner there. As an Xbox owner I have a vested interest in hoping that there is something resembling parity between the two, but not to the point of hatred of the other. I see alot of intelligent discussion here along with a lot of ignorance from BOTH sides. I love to talk about games in a friendly way. If that's possible here, awesome. I guess as I become involved I'll see.
Welcome Kindomcome! I just have 1 question to ask you; Do you have a flame retardant suit?? Because chances are you'll need one.
I sense one could come in pretty handy from the looks of some of these threads. I wont sling mud. Like I stated friendly gaming discussion is my aim. I appreciate the welcome.
They always improve. Why are we pretending everything is some brand new instance this gen?
SuperBlunt + 1h ago Direct x 12 is obviously why crackdown and fable have the graphical fidelity of indie games. Qrphe + 1h ago Doubt that DX12, a multiplatform API will get be as optimized johndoe11211 + 55m ago Actually you're wrong, it's not the same . ICE team's optimizations are a lot better because it is console specific unlike dx12 which is more geared towards pc. The comments in this thread are gold! So uneducated.
And then you arrived, blissfully unaware that you were demonstrating your very point with unfortunate - yet priceless - irony... Thank you, Dimwitt! ;^P
Enlighten me since 90% of the people in this thread are clearly just bashing and making absolutely no sense.
Oh dear...Sad to see you can dish out the judgements, but you can't take it. -_-
950p this time around with up to 33 fps lol consoles