Kinect-Less Xbox One Will Make More Sense To Consumers, Microsoft Is 'Listening' - Chariot Dev

"Chariot is an upcoming co-op adventure platformer in which two players must work together to guide a chariot through various levels."

[XiSasukeUchiha]

MS is starting to make the righf choices when its comes to gaming!

[marlinfan10]

@am

did that make you feel better? lol

back on track though i think it was a good choice for them to unbundle it. some people simply don't want to spend the extra $100 for the kinect. especially the parents buying a console for their kids. most will go with the cheaper one since they don't know the difference

[Antnee534]

Here is the reason why people should be buying the 100 dollar more version. The reason being that the kinect separately will be a base of a 150 to 200 guarantee if you go off the last kinect when it launched. So for 100 more u save 50 to 100 more than buying later. Kids will want the kinect later after getting the system.

[Baka-akaB]

I'm sad , it' was obvious trolling and not that good or funny , but it seems you drop out of character on whims . I thought you'd RP Sasuke till the end

[Antnee534]

This is not a good thing. The xbox one was made with the kinect in mind and defiantly needs it because without it the system loses all sense of its originality. The system without kinect is nothing more than a watered down ps4 that can barely do 1080 60. I'm not here to troll I'm stating the truth about this.

[marlinfan10]

Alot of people like xbox more in general. The ui, the exclusives, controller, etc. The $100 price difference may be enough to get them to pickit up. Not everyones worried about the slight graphics differences

[darthv72]

the ps4 was designed with the camera in mind as well. Sony just decided to sell it separate.

People who want to buy the bundle can still do so. Id be surprised if the option of selling without kinect doesnt spark more interest in the full bundles.

When consumers do comparisons they see what something costs with options vs without. Seeing a $399 xb1 next to the $499 model might entice people to pick up the full package.

What's your point again?

[Antnee534]

@marlinfan10

Well this generation so far it's showing the complete opposite. The Sony exclusives are better it shows when Sony actually makes them. As where Microsoft just being lazy has other 3rd party developers make their games. The ui for the X bone one is horrendous because it's Microsoft 8 the worst operating system known to man kind.

@darthv72

Not really the system is not controlled by the system nor was that a priority. The Sony camera was just an add on that u could get not needed as where kinect was marketed as half the system controlling with u r voice signing u in. That is what kinect gave you and that's where the only original experience came from having an X box one. So really all my point is that it's a waste of time buying something that's incomplete and nothing more than a watered down version of its competition.

[darthv72]

"Microsoft 8 the worst operating system known to man kind"

ahhh...another person with no experience with Windows ME or Vista. Much MUCH worse than 8 and if people are still complaining about "8" without having updated to 8.1 then that is their fault. 8.1 is WAY better than 8 and in many cases...7.

And this is from someone who has experience with every iteration of "Windows" since inception.

[Thatguy-310]

If they were listening they would have done it since the get go since it was widely spoken about even before the console launch. The fact that they started to "listen" is simply to not let the competition widen the gap when it comes to market share.

[Rickgrimes95]

They coulda been listening a year ago an that's why their losing

[Wikkid666]

Without a visions and go for something... we would still be living in caves.

[Rickgrimes95]

Don't really understand what you just said lol don't really know if you can compare the two. But what I was saying is that after the May reveal an e3 2013 they received a lot of negative feedback an only after sony's conference did they get scared an change the always online, kinect always on, 24 hour check in etc. just shows whoever was in charge shouldn't have been they weren't confident and I still remember how angry I got when mattrick said if you don't like it go get an xbox 360, or the other Microsoft guy who said #dealwithit I game mostly on ps4 but I own an xbox one too, having phil spencer in charge now makes me feel a little better about the future of Xbox

[DARK WITNESS]

@ Rickgrimes95

The negative feedback was already there, waiting, bubbling away ready to boil over.

The internet was saturated with rumors about xbox and DRM etc. There were a lot of us though who didn't believe MS could be that dumb and actually pull all that crap off.

Then came the reveal and almost every bit of it was true. From that point on most people were up in arms.

MS said they were not changing anything and all that crap and personally I think it was because they were waiting for sony.

Although sony had already had their reveal they had not really said much about the DRM and used games issue and there was a lot of talk that sony would be doing the same thing as MS.

I think MS felt that as long as sony do it as well it won't be a problem because gamers wont have any option in the matter.

However it didn't play out that way. I think MS realised they were on their own on this matter and only a handful of diehard xbox fans supported them.

Once the pre-order numbers started to roll in it was clear that MS was going to have a problem and that is when they really started to rethink all this stuff, not because they were listening but because of the sales numbers.

[Thatguy-310]

If they were "listening" then they should have done it when the console launched. They had a year to listen and they ignored it. That being said people knew that they were going to unbundle the kinect from the xbox one sooner rather than later. What made them do it now is simply to prohibit Sony from getting more market share from them. This is the reason why competition is good but what ticks me off is how they do their best to say they changed and how they're pro consumer when in reality all these changes are happening because of how better the competition is doing. The way I see this is like a "Monkey see, Monkey do" game with them.

[pompombrum]

This, it's annoying hearing people claim that Microsoft are "listening" they're not listening at all, they're reacting. If they actually bothered listening to consumers, they wouldn't have been in this position in the first place.

[DARK WITNESS]

Very well said, my feelings exactly.

They basically told us fans to F"^%"6k OFF and go play on our 360's if we were not happy.

They just forgot that it's these very same fans that would be buying the brand new console at launch!

The casual, kinect junckie market aren't going to rush out and buy a $500 just for kinect.

still...

[aragon]

Blame Mattrick

[Lucreto]

It will be interesting to see how it sells

Using Amazon as a guide the kinectless is at 92 on the US Amazon and it is not in the top 100 in the UK with 6 PM days remaining.

[MonstaTruk]

Here's the thing: as much as $399 is a step in the right direction for Xbox One, getting rid of something that made your system unique is not. I understand Microsoft is stuck between a rock and a hard place, but...doing this shows you have no vision that you truly believe in.

And at the end of the day, if I go to MickeyD's and they have a cheeseburger for 1$ (multiplat on Xbox One) and a double cheeseburger for the same price (multiplat on PS4), the REAL debate is: why are you overthinking it?

[Belasco]

You may just want single patty cheeseburger if you are watching your weight.

[MonstaTruk]

Is that how it is, now? We're okay paying full price for "less beef" in our multiplat games? I must've missed the memo on that... :-/

Correction: I don't care about that memo, whether I got it or not. I want more burger (resolution/frame rate/effects) for my dollar. Anybody that tries to make an argument on how I should WANT to pay more for less, well...I'm not the guy to talk to about that.

I went all last gen not buying games like Halo:ODST, Two Worlds, Doug Williams Black College Football Experience and other exclusive Xbox 360 games, and I survived with my PS3/PSP. I'm sure I'll be alright this gen with my PS4/Vita & 290x 2-way crossfire PC (Double Quarter Pounder w/cheese)...

[JBSleek]

Your analogy would make sense but I think the real analogy would be the Whopper vs Big Mac due to exclusives sell the different consoles. At the end of the day it's preference.

When Sony comes with their Big Mac(Uncharted) that's when I get the burger.

[LogicStomper]

"And at the end of the day, if I go to MickeyD's and they have a cheeseburger for 1$ (multiplat on Xbox One) and a double cheeseburger for the same price (multiplat on PS4), the REAL debate is: why are you overthinking it?"

There's more than just the price element to choosing which console you'll buy it for. Let's say you're thinking about buying Call of Duty Ghosts for Xbox One or PS4. Now let's assume that the PS4 version is cheaper.

Do you only decide based off price? What if there are relevant circumstances in play, such as friends that have CoD on Xbox One. Which do you value more? Saving $3 or being able to play with your friends?

So to put this into an analogy, you're out with your mate. He wants to have Burger King, but you know Mc Donald's is cheaper by $1. Do you leave him to save that $1, or do you fork out the extra dollar to eat with him?

How about another circumstance such as preference of controller? What if, you enjoyed playing FPS games with the Xbox One controller over the PS4? Would you value that $3 over an experience you'd enjoy more?

It's not as simple as choosing the lowest price.

"the REAL debate is: why are you overthinking it?"

That is not the real debate. The real debate is, have you thought it through thoroughly?

[Moe-Gunz]

They're listening to the sales numbers.

[ats1992]

You mean like how sony was listening to sales numbers when they dropped the price of the ps3 so early in its lifetime (;

[Moe-Gunz]

Sure.

[Agent_hitman]

I guess now is the right time to buy X1.. Thanks for kinectless X1, Microsoft. It's a lot more cheaper

[TKCMuzzer]

The way things are going if you wait a bit longer it's going to be even cheaper.

[MegaDan]

Too little, too late.

[TKCMuzzer]

If they had listened to consumers in the first place this would never had been an issue, it's best to be proactive in business, not reactive.

[Baka-akaB]

I dont equate urgently reacting to market fluctuations , as the same as listening to fans . The end result might be the same for some consumers , so it's all good , but the intent and apparatus behind both motives widely differs

[zep]

can’t just flip a switch cant do it without kinect what a bunch of lairs more like desperation than listening to fans

[mcstorm]

I still don't see the point in a kinectless xbox one but if that's what people want then that is what people will buy. It will be interesting to see the difference in sales of the two versions.

That said the back end of this year is looking like its a great time to pickup an xbox one as we are looking like we will have games like Forza Horizon, Titanfall, Halo 2 HD and more.

[snookiegamer]

Is this a joke?

MS didn't listen back in 2010 when 360 owners were vocal in their concern that Kinect was taking away from the 1st party games they actually wanted to play...so why does this PR/Dev think MS listened to the 'consumers' now?

Noooo! MS only reacted because the Xbox One sales are woefully lagging behind PS4's, this is basically because of the 'forced' Kinect 2. Forcing every potential Xbox One owner to accept Kinect 2 or nothing, hurt Xbox One sales. The forced Kinect 2 SKU cost the average consumer an extra $100, before they even purchased a game!

I kid you not when I tell you, that $100+ (integral to the operation of Xbox One?) Kinect 2 device can actually be purchased pre-owned for only £20 in the UK. So much for technology advancements huh?

The Xbox One is a quality console, with some awesome games on the horizon, but as for MS as a company of integrity? On that I'll only say, it's a sad case of, MS hasn't been good at listening to anything other than the revenue stream ;/

[stuna1]

"Kinect-Less Xbox One will make more sense to Microsoft's pocketbook, Microsoft is `Reacting`!

Not saying that the end result is not beneficial to the consumer/fanbase, but all should know this was not an action taken because the consumer/fanbase was being vocal about it! It was an action taken because options were slim as to what course of action were available at the moment to try to generate or spark demand for the Xbox1.

The fact that the consumer/fanbase indicated that they likely would buy a Xbox1 if the option was given to them to be able to purchase a Kinect-Less Xbox1 whereas Kinect was no longer a mandatory inclusion is in all likelihood why Microsoft felt this was the best option to offer.

Microsoft is gauging whether people will follow through with their claims that Kinect is one of the biggest hurdles that needed to be removed in order for them to consider buying a Xbox1.

Of course price was also a factor, but that goes without saying.

[snookiegamer]

@stuna1

'Of course price was also a factor, but that goes without saying'.

So why you saying it???

Kiddin' Loool :-)

I agree, Xbox One will move more units without Kinect though.

[ocelot07]

It is a shame really. Why didn't they listen to us when the first revealed the XB1. A load of people didn't want kinct then. Why take a year to finally listen? Sure they listened about always online and DRM and changed it. But I feel that was due to the pre order numbers compared to the PS4.

Now I get the feeling there only listening to us due to the sale numbers compared to the PS4. Which I am sort of proud off as gamers have forced Microsoft to listen by voting with there wallet.

I enjoy my XB1. I think it is a great system. I have it for the exclusives so I only have 5 titles at the moment (Dead Rising,Killer Instincts,Forza 5,Power Golf,FIFA (came with system)).

[Whitey2k]

How can it be a right choice to consumers? Hell might not even sell that much! ms already reduced to that amount when it had kinect and it hardly beat ps4 in terms on console sales im sorry but ps4 is the better machine this time round.. the only people think that it do well us the silly fanboys

[Belasco]

At this point MS can do nothing right, and a vocal minority simply want to see them ground into dust.

[Dewitt]

The comments in here are absurd, this a brand new team. Satya taking over CEO, Spencer now as the head of Xbox. They obviously had a completely different vision then Mattrick/Ballmer. Now people say they can't be trusted because of what others did? Makes absolutely zero sense.

[Codey47]

Now I haven't completely boycotted Microsoft, even though, I have decades of experience with Microsoft's "choices/business practices" and those experiences have been embossed on/in my brain for a lifetime. They have never had the consumer in their thoughts in any of their decisions before.
It takes a long time to win back any consumer trust that has been lost in the past.
Although this new "wonder" team are talking steps in the right direction, in reality, is still in it's infancy.
I know what I expect from MS, through my own experiences and I know where I stand with them
Never believe a word they say until hard evidence is produced.

Being a company that has draconian measures embedded in their infrastructure....that's hard to scrub out.
Rome wasn't built in a day and If somebody pisses on you...you don't call it rain.... and all that jazz.

The Kinect-less Xbox One SKU in my honest opinion is a bit of a let down...considering you can get a Kinect Titanfall Bundle with Wolfenstein: The New Order for £$49 extra.
It seems that MS are charging more for less.

[mmj]

Here in the UK it makes little sense looking at the prices, the Kinectless version is barely cheaper than the Kinect version, it needs to be around £300 not £350.

[mrpsychoticstalker]

big things coming for Microsoft