The Lies We Tell : BioShock's Exclusivity

Lida reports:

''The cat is now out of the bag, people finally know that BioShock is coming to PS3, after it was 'confirmed' not to.

Well, I worked on the PS3 version, I was even lead programmer for the PS3 SKU at one point, but then there were a lot of lead programmers that worked on the PS3 version, but that's a sordid tale for another post. Today's post is about one of the lies of the games industry, the exclusivity deal.''

[Imallvol7]

I think its very interesting, but I also think its very dishonest and sickening.

[Breakfast]

You do what you gotta do, to make money.

[rroded]

funny but whos gonna trust an exclusive thats not first party or at least published inhouse now?

After shelling out for the 360 version then seeing the pc version some were pissed but now its gonna b on the ps3 too and looking better there too lol

[chaosatom333]

this is what i learned:

" all high profile games from 3rd party publishers are planned from the beginning to be multi-platform" because of marketing money can be spent in on one big campaign.

"cost of developing for multiple platforms can easily be recouped" because both of the consoles have good install base.

"Once you’ve created a good code base for PS3, it is easy to turn that into a well running 360 version." sort of knew this.

Microsoft paid for the exclusive deals. Knew this also.

exclusive because of "unsureness about the success of BioShock" New developers will look for money from microsoft.

[jwatt]

Good read, we've been seeing this happen for a while but it's good to have some meaning behind this kind of stuff. It's obvious once the install base gets higher devs would start to show more love for the ps3.

[thewhoopimen]

f everyone of Microsoft's third party titles are "timed"exclusives, then it tells me one thing: I should only keep a PS3. Why?

If every title except for 3 Microsoft studios (rare/lionhead/silicon?) will all be available on the PS3, why would I buy the console?

I know I can expect about 16 additional 1st party exclusive titles coming from Sony because they have so many first party studios. Also it means that the 3 titles I'm missing out on, I can get for PC.

To me this article boils down my decision as a consumer to who has the most "TRUE" exclusive titles this gen. Sounds like it will be Sony.

Does that make sense?

[Mr_President_]

I concur. PCS3 FTW

[ChrisGTR1]

well it really depends on what exclusives you like, just cause sony makes the most exclusives dosent mean there the best. besides god of war how many other AAA first party ps3 games are there?? honestly.. i cant think of any.
edit and no socom isnt AAA

[ktchong]

In fact, Silicon Knights' Denis Dyack has said they're working on undisclosed PS3 title(s).

Microsoft's first-party studios are: Rare, Lionhead, Ensemble. They make good games, but NOT "AAA" titles. The only Microsoft's first-party studio that made "AAA" games was Bungie (which is no longer a first-party studio.)

[beavis4play]

your opening words were correct: "it really depends on what exclusives you like".
calling something "AAA" means nothing if you don't like the game. for ex. many people consider halo(x360) or final fantasy(ps3) to be AAA. but, if you don't like one of these, why would you buy the system(or the game).
i buy ps because of of exclusive titles like ratchet and clank, jak and daxter, socom, FF, GOW, KZ, resistance, MGS, twisted metal,(hopefully more come out!) uncharted....and what you think doesn't mean anything to me. just like you can like halo and what i think shouldn't matter to you. buy the system for what games YOU like that aren't on other systems, not what you are being told you should be playing.

[Panthers]

So, if a game isnt AAA then you dont play it?

Socom is the best online game I have ever played... period and the sole reason I got the PS3. I could care less about this stupid console war.

[HighDefinition]

Socom isn`t AAA, OK? Tell that to the millions of people that still play Socom 2 on PS2.

-GOW
-SOTC
-GT
-MGS
-SLY
-FF
-R&C

to name a few.

[boodybandit]

gaming is nearly as bad as most governments now. We only know what they want us to know and by the time we find out the truth it doesn't matter any more. This is why I don't follow politics and don't care for gaming reviews or trust "most" gaming information. I believe what I see when I have game and gaming products in hand to judge for myself.

[Andronix]

I understand the business of business, a timed exclusive makes sense for 2k Boston and promoting BioShock for the Xbox 360. However there are other developers who make deals for timed exclusives and are open about it. EG. EPIC had a timed exclusive with Sony for Unreal Tournament. THEY DIDN'T LIE and say it was an exclusive. They let everyone know it was timed.

Im less inclined to trust Microsoft or 2k Boston. Lying to customers isn't the way to go.

[otherZinc]

Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil: just to name a few. So you SONY only guys can just chill.

[apoc06]

"1.14 - SONY started the PS1 with this same method.........
Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil: just to name a few. So you SONY only guys can just chill."

mortal kombat - when MK was released, the playstation did not exist. the first MK titles were on the genesis and super nintendo respectively. the ps1 did not receive a version of MK until ultimate MK III came out, well after the release of umk3 on 16 bit consoles.

final fantasy - final fantasy was originally slated to be a nintendo game. when nintendo eschewed the cd format, square had to take the project elsewhere since they could only fit the FMV-filled game on a cd based format.

tomb raider - tomb raider was released for the sega saturn first.

resident evil - the game was released for the ps1 and the saturn version was released very shortly after. given the known difficulty in developing for the saturn, the saturn version would have had to be in development at the same time as the ps1 version.

[Condoleezza Rice]

I think that's all that matters at this point,because what this means is Bioshock 2 isn't looking like an exclusive.

[Mark 1]

Bioshock 2 will be a 360 exclusive.

[mistertwoturbo]

"Bioshock 2 will be a 360 exclusive."

Just like Bioshock 1 right? *rollseyes*

[QuackPot]

At the most.

Depends on if Microsoft can get some value from what they pay.

My guess is that Microsoft won't pay for a timed exclusive as the secrets out that is game is now multiplatform.

Bioshock just isn't a valued exclusive as Halo or Gears are.

Microsoft's likely purchased some exclusive DLC instead. lol.

[kosha]

Bioshock might not be as good as the first because its being developed by different people (or so i heard)

BTW bioshock 2 wont be exclusive to 360. At most it will be timed like the first one

[Harry190]

from what I heard,is planned to be a day one multi platform title.PC,PS3,360.But things can change.Yeah,I thought the article was pretty interesting and worth submitting on N4G.

[omodis420]

Now we all know. Maybe gears will come to PS3 someday. A 3 or 4 year timed exclusive. I'd still buy it.
It does make good business sense. And now PS3 owners get some extras.

[Breakfast]

If you look at it that way, i can say the exact same thing about 3rd party ps3 games.

[TheExecutive]

True but its all about the deal. Thats what this article explained. I am sure Sony paid Konami very very well to have exclusive rights to MGS4. I am sure MS did the same for Gears. To see either one of these go multiplatform this generation would truly be shocking.

[chaosatom333]

True, but they are using SPE in the ps3. It's kinda hard to transfer if did it that way.

I'be fine with sharing 3rd party titles, but then it would come to first party developers. Which sony would own.

[QuackPot]

FPS developers just need to exaggerate the action, make larger than life characters and make them really Gung Ho....and you have yourself another Gears.

Damn, had Insomniac done this with Resistance, that game could have gone down as one of the greatest shooters ever.

So having Gears 3+ on the Ps3 would be great but not necessary. Just copy and improve developers.

[Martini]

Didn't you read what the "lead" developer for ps 3 had to say about programming ??

"Once you’ve created a good code base for PS3, it is easy to turn that into a well running 360 version."
Unlike the other way around :)

[Ri0tSquad]

Even Microsoft lied.

"From Microsoft point of view, they can claim it is exclusive and get all the benefit of a PR hit against PS3 without paying the cost for a full exclusive."

http://www.flickr.com/photo...

Only on Xbox 360 and windows my a$$.

@Imallvol7

Haha. That would be hilarious.

[Imallvol7]

They are going to have to add to that statement, "Only on Xbox 360 and Windows . . . for a while." Lol.

[jackdoe]

So, wait. Does that mean that future printings of the Bioshock 360 box would remove that Only On logo?

[Ri0tSquad]

If the new 360 copies still have it on there then it would false advertising.

[jadenkorri]

thats usually what happens, but really their is so many more people who would buy the game if it released same time, timed delays are f'in retarded, the games long over due, graphics have improved since the delay, so theres no point in doing multi-platform after the fact, espically more than a year apart... The game at that point is old and has to be made the same, cause then people would complain about buying it again... additionally less people will be aware that its on the ps3/360 thinking its exclusive to one...And then the fanboys rip it apart cause it "didn't sell good" on the console a year later...I agree with first party game, like mario and zelda for nintendo and god of war for sony, i can't think of any 360 first party games, i would think Halo, but thats bungie not MS...anyways it don;t matter....I personally would like to see all games go multi-platform, and let consumers decide what they want to play it on... I really despise devs who reach for the biggest wallet like Namco, which almost every games has gone to 360 exclusive...

[xplosneer]

That means that they are porting the code which as they say doesn't work as well backwards to PS3, so will it be another shoddy moneymaker is a better question.

[omodis420]

Yes you most defiantly could. I would actually encourage you to say it. I wasn't really serious about Gears man. My plan is to play Gears when 360 is on the way out. Then I can buy the system and a bunch of cheap good games that I never got to play :)

[Breakfast]

multi-console is the way to go :) ...then you dont have to wait.

Edit: @ Below

I see youve got it all mapped out...lol. Well the best of luck then :)

[omodis420]

I agree. I have nothing against 360. I just can't afford to buy that many games. I bought Xbox 1 a year and a half ago. I stopped playing PS2 except for God of War 2. I bought Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, Halo, Doom 3 and a ton of other stuff. It worked out good. I played the heck out of it. So that is my plan again. Plus there are just to many good PS3 exclusive's coming down the line that are must buys for me.

[tethered]

Yes, multi-console is the way to go. I have PS3 and 360.
Now I just want to see the 360 have free online play. Then I have a reason to turn my 360 on.

I've been playing a lot of online games lately and they are all on the PS3 because I never paid the $50 a year to play the 360 online.

Microsoft really needs to fix this mess because they will be left in the dust once the PS3 has in game chat and in game music. I really hope Sony doesn't decide to go the way of Microsoft and start to charge for online.

Time will tell.

[Surfman]

Money talks.

[Angelitos]

Xbots, dont cry because of your FIXME doesnt have this as a exclusive anymore.

[pwnmaster3000]

bro stfu imean foreal dont u feel srry for them imean they bought a useless deffective console with no real exclusive.

oh well fuk it mass effect you nxt, then tales, then dead rising, then left 4 dead.

you can keep that gray of wars 2 we dont want that piece of shiit you call a game

[THWIP]

Assassin's Creed, DMC4, Virtua Fighter 5, Bladestorm, GTAIV, Fatal Inertia, Katamari, Bully, Guitar Hero, Okami....all used to be Sony exclusives.

Get over yourselves, kiddies....it's an industry-wide thing, and no hardware mfr is immune to it.

* EDIT: LOL...disagree all you want, morons; it can't change the facts. :D

[Ogrekiller]

this comment was made by the ps3 developer rite?
So go back to winning that darwin award, jerkwad

[thewhoopimen]

THWIP if most of the exclusives are going multiplat, I want the manufacturer with 16 private studios working for the console.

[juuken]

THWIP...um...what?

[n00bPwner]

are you f*cking retarded? No exclusives? why, because 360 lost ONE game? do I really have to list all the "exclusives" sony lost this gen? god damn, you're dumb.

[juuken]

n00b, the 360 lost more than one game?

[PopEmUp]

you do know noobpower call himself a noob so you would know what he is a noob he always comment something that bite his tale at the end

[Grown Folks Talk]

who stole the black people?

[juuken]

Lol, of course PopEmUp. He made his n00biness known.

[pimpstation]

Bioshock is much bigger than any exclusive the PS3 lost. PS3 lost some mediocre games like Assassin's Creed and Virtua Fighter. GTA was never exclusive to PS3, though the best version is. 360 would have to get something like Uncharted or MGS4 to make up for Bioshock.

[n00bPwner]

WRONG.

GTA4 counts (better version in HD). DMC, VF with online, Ass Crap (with better graphics), etc. etc.

[THWIP]

...and,unfortunately,is why HAZE will soon come to 360/PC. Not exactly a fair trade, to say the least...but the game will lose a ton of $$ otherwise. :o

[jackdoe]

Lol. With all the bad press, would a multiplatform shift help it at all? I mean, the general consensus is that Haze is mediocre. Much like Blacksite which came out on the PS3 after a delay, no one bought it because of all the bad press when the 360 version hit months earlier.

[TheExecutive]

Well yeah it would help. It would be really easy to make a 360 port. Had it been the other way around it would be a much more difficult question. Haze will come to the 360 and with some new "bells and whistles" to try to sell more copies.

[jadenkorri]

Haze om ps3 is mediocre...great that fine
if Ubi wanted to port it to 360, im all for it, but if they add new things and make the game great on 360...don;t think of achievements...but gameplay wise, whether single or multi
they would have to release that to the ps3 consumers cause people who bought it for ps3 would be pissed off (i know i would be) if the 360 version had features that the ps3 didn't.... a patch would be easy, but just saying if they didn't

[TheExecutive]

lol, well they cant make Haze great but they would tout the new "bells and whistles" as great and awesome to produce as much hype again as possible.

[jadenkorri]

but if i owned it on ps3 and the 360 got the game later on and was better graphically and the what not, i would be pissed... I was disappointed about GTA4 with the 360 exclusivity, but after playing the game, im kinda glad, it didn't live up to the GTA i was expecting..but theirs still gonna be GTA 4 Vice City and San Andreas type expansions on both consoles, 360 just gets an additional story or two...maybe different cities and whatnot...we'll have to wait as everyone is still unclear on what it is..

[tuaamin13]

It's $39.99 next week at Bestbuy and Circuit City, along with Assassin's Creed (which has been out considerably longer). [sale price listings on CAG]

[avacadosnorkel]

I think the only way to get the best out of a game is to develop it for only one system and take advantage of that systems unique features. Multiplatform dilutes the overall quality in the name of equality. Sure there will be less games available this way, but it's better to have quality than quantity IMO.

[jackdoe]

Interesting article.

[Ashton]

and start the same approach with some of the new IPs.you gotta fight fire with fire.

[omni_atlas]

Bioshock developer says it all. I doubt the xbox 50 million GTA IV expansion is so 'exclusive' anymore.

[jackdoe]

I have to disagree with you on that. DLC and games are completely different. DLC is relatively cheap to make and the MS exclusivity fee probably paid for its entire development costs.

[TheExecutive]

In my opinion MS probably paid 50 million to out bid Sony's exclusivity offer. For such a high price they demanded some DLC exclusive to the 360, hence the 50 million dollars.

MS isnt stupid and paying 50 million for DLC is stupid and unneeded. I know its not the strongest argument in the world but it makes sence

[JD_Shadow]

...you took the exact point I was going to make. The 50 Million dollar talking point about that could be anything. Thing is, if that is true, then DLC or not, the fact of this article is that most games, if not all games, that go through this ritual are timed. Personally, I don't see why people think that MS got ALL GTA4 DLC exclusive (not too many think that anymore, if they did to begin with), but I am not everyone, and I'm sure those that still think that have a good reason (better if you do think that). I always thought that Rockstar would makes sure everyone is on an equal playing ground (Rockstar making like Namco and giving each console its own exclusive episodes isn't too far fetched of a scenario when you think about it). For all we know, Sony could've paid the OTHER half of the GTA4 dev and whatever else they could pay for.

But I digress. This just goes to show to everyone a point I don't think I made on this board (I made this on another board) that ALL of Take-Two's games become multiplatform in some way, at some point. Have you ever seen any of those games that T2 have made staying exclusive to one console?

The way I think about it is this: As long as they are not an in-house dev and/or if their game is technically impossible to port to the other system (in the case of MGS4, unless there is massive compression or there is a massive upgrade to the 360 hardware, blu-ray enabled or otherwise, then the chances of THAT game being ported are VERY slim), then you will see a game, disc-based or downloadable, make the jump at some point. Thanks to how Nintendo treated third-parties that made games for the NES (with an iron-fist, helped them get anti-trust suits, and it was a good reason for the Turbographics 16 machine being forgotten), you will rarely see console manufacturers risk anything like Nintendo used to do (remember the 5 games a year rule they did way back then?). I think that's why you see exclusives from third-parties be timed (they don't want to risk that again).

[Mark 1]

How much would Microsoft have to pay R* before you stop deluding yourself?

[omni_atlas]

Wait a minute, what you said sounds familiar -- I remember you all yapping last year when Bioshock was claimed to be an 'exclusive' for the Xbox, and guess how that turned out? If you read the article, in a sense, MS *DID* pay for the bioshock exclusivity by paying for the PR when it launched.

Rockstar isn't stupid. Making downloadable content for one box and not for the other would be a complete waste of resources when they know they can be capitalizing on it. Come a few months, and I betchya downloadable content for the PS3 will come one way or another.

[Obama]

Don't care whether the dlc is exclusive or not really, since most gamers here feel the same way as I do, that gta4 is boring..

[beavis4play]

and full of glitches and bad controls. last GTA i'll buy on day 1.

[MisfitSmurf]

how much do i have to pay to get you to shut up ?

[Rob4Vendetta]

this means that the game industry is more concerned with wath the publishers tell them to do, than what the gamers really want...a world of lies!

[darkdoom3000]

Wow, its such a shady bussiness. cant trust no-one.

But then again, some thrid party Jpn compaines are good at exclusive only deals. Square. Konami (well, kojima.)

Im 99.9% certain that mgs aint going to hit X360. If it did come, it would be compressed and most denetly on multiple disks, possibly 3-4.
FFXIII im not too sure about. I mean, everyone remembers devil may cry.

[DJ]

Kaz actually let loose some big details, such as the fact that they were (in early 2007) securing exclusivity deals with Konami and Square for MGS4 and the FFXIII series. He also had wished that Kutaragi had paid more attention to 3rd parties who were sort of asking for exclusivity deals (Assassin's Creed was originally going to be PS3 only, but...they slipped through the cracks). But Kutaragi is an engineer, a console builder. He shouldn't be worrying about the actual games.

Thank goodness they have those duties spread out now.

[Sk8boyP]

It's also on the LARGEST played platform in the world, THE PC!

[THWIP]

...no need to shout.

[Darkiewonder]

What do 360 owner have to say now? Fact is, Microsoft help fund ps3 development too hahahaha. But was this really a surprise at all? I mean come on? It's not like this is the first time it happened. Let's hear from Microsoft's PR or Shane Kim. What you gonna say now? <3

[Breakfast]

Theyll find a way to spin it. Theyll probably talk about how many cross-game invites were sent or something...lol

[Darkiewonder]

The only thing I can think of is "If you want to play the game now. buy our system"

Microsoft wants to think short term. I say let them. The Transition from Xbox to 360 was that. they cut off Xbox immediately so if you want a system just for now then go for it. Sony is always there to support their system. Long term even if they have to try. That's the smart way IMO.

[White-Sharingan]

wow

one thing is to hear it from millions of fanboys

another thing is to find out everything is true from a dev

[THWIP]

They'd probably say...

Assassin's Creed, DMC4, Virtua Fighter 5, Bladestorm, GTAIV, Fatal Inertia, Katamari, Bully, Guitar Hero, Okami....all used to be Sony exclusives.

It's an industry-wide thing, and no hardware mfr is immune to it.

[Darkiewonder]

Round and round we go. Spin it. Don't stop.

[THWIP]

...it's fact, son. Move along to a topic you can understand.

[Darkiewonder]

Yeah sure it's fact. You know and I know anything that comes from Microsoft will never stick as exclusive. They don't care about their consumers. They just want the money. You're doing a good job. I'll let you keep believing that and I'll believe my story.

[TheExecutive]

I dont really think its fair to call a new franchise that was released multiplatform on its FIRST iteration as an exclusive of anything. In fact, its the complete opposite. Even if AC was stated at some point to be a sony exclusive the fact of the matter is that it was released multiplatform.

As for the GTA and VF they were PS exclusives and now are not. So yeah...

[ApocalypseShadow]

is that you can't trust any third party companies saying "it's not coming to the other system."

all they have to do is tell the truth and stop lying to gamers.if you tell gamers that it's coming to this system as an exclusive for 3 months,6 months or a year,then the gamer can decide if it's worth it to buy the other system to play it or wait.

bioshock devs LIED about it not coming.
capcom LIED about DMC being exclusive to ps3.
namco has been lying that none of their 360 games are coming to ps3.
oblivion devs were liers for a time.

just don't trust them.but it's not like I bought a ps3 to play third party games.nintendo fans aren't buying Wiis to play third party games.i bought ps3 to play FIRST PARTY games.and devs who trust sony's strategy and want to deliver truely next gen games with detail,lighting,physics,resolu tion,number of players,etc.

i didn't buy ps3 to wait for what 360 games might cross over.i could careless.my money was to continue playing my ps1/ps2 games on my 60gig,and wait for GT5,uncharted,heavenly sword,FFxiii,white knight story,getaway,resistance,killz one,MGS4,motorstorm,etc.

inbetween buying hot psn games like HV bowling,echochrome,stardust,pi xel junk monsters,go sports skydiving pseye games,etc.

for those who want bioshock,fine.but i got other games to play.

apocalypse................... .

[OC Shock Value]

Now that was a pretty interesting read.

Well it looks like no game is really safe. Its pretty clear cut that nobody has any idea whats goin on behind the scenes. I honestly at one point thought that microsoft had that game in the beg. And that they did it honestly. I had no idea they were trying to get over. Just trying to give the PS3 bad press and make themself look better. Bioshock was NEVER really a full exclusive for the 360.

I personally think that this is the craziest console war yet. People are pullin out all the stops this time. You can truely see how savage a man gets when his back is against the wall. Or he is scared. Thats when the true colors come out.

I cant really see things getting better from here. I believe its just gonna get crazier and more out of hand. I just hope there are no more lies involved.

So whats microsoft gonna do about the "only for xbox 360 and windows" sign on all the Bioshock cases. Its gonna look pretty silly once people realize that sign is full of shyt. The average consumer wont really care to much. Usually the average folk havent a clue about games like Bioshock anyway. They usually want wii fit, GTA4 or the newest madden. So they got kinda lucky this time.

Lets just hope NONE of the other companies lie anymore.

can you imagine the PS4 vs xbox 720?

[yanikins111]

I cant see this happening for much longer. PS3 exclusives are going to be leaps and bounds ahead of 360 exclusives soon. Take a look at KZ2(Graphics), R2(60 player MP, possibly graphics if insomniac pull their usual sh**), MGS4(needs 50GB disc), Uncharted(No load times/graphics). Once a good number of ps3 games have multiple features similar to this, multiplats are going to have to step up to continue being competitive on the ps3. I think its going to come to a point where the ps3 userbase is so big, and the ports from ps3 to 360 are so difficult that its going to encourage a lot of games TO go exclusive.

Just my useless opinion anyway.

[thewhoopimen]

If everyone of Microsoft's third party titles are "timed"exclusives, then it tells me one thing: I should only keep a PS3. Why?

If every title except for 3 Microsoft studios (rare/lionhead/silicon?) will all be available on the PS3, why would I buy the console?

I know I can expect about 16 additional 1st party exclusive titles coming from Sony because they have so many first party studios. Also it means that the 3 titles I'm missing out on, I can get for PC.

Does that make sense?

[ApocalypseShadow]

right on target.

there's no need to get a 360 if the games are coming to ps3.and the rest can be played as upgraded titles on PC.

no one will be playing any sony exclusive games on PC.and you get 360 ports to ps3 that have extra content for free that 360 gamers had to buy on XBL or wait weeks or months before it was free content.

bioshock is just another example of not having a reason to get 360.

unless you like the halo series,there is no reason whatsoever to buy 360 if you have a pc and ps3.

apocalypse..................

[Martini]

Ther is no need for 360 you are right if you like low resolution, bad frame rates and screen tear.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It's like politics.

The media is so liberally-biased that even ex-anchors from CBS, NBC, and ABC admit to the pay-offs.

I'm not saying FOX isn't any better...

...they just know what keeping a country together means.

[THWIP]

Although, if you're comparing FOX News to Sony...yeah, I can see that. :o

[TheExecutive]

you both make no sense.

FOX news is exactly whats wrong with the American media. Its all sensationalized and controversial.

I wont get into the politics of media with you because no matter what side of the fence you are on, youre wrong. period. Yes democrats AND republicans are idiots.

News needs to be reported not spun, not sensationalized, not controversial. Seriously, fox news is like a daytime drama; so is CNN. Anyone who sits down and watches these stations and think they are getting informed are beyond repair.

/rant

[gk07]

exculsive is a dirty word like next gen

[Tinman1]

It's pretty easy to tell you're full of crap. If you were a developer on the PS3 version, you would know that it isn't considered a port when it was programmed for the specific console since the beginning. In no way is 360 code being used for PS3. PS3 has been in development, and features improved graphics and dependability than the 360 one on release.

Any dev knows that's not a port. You aren't one of them.

[jaja1434]

dependability?
How is the game, not the PS3 vs 360 hardware, more dependable?

[Lucreto]

I wonder it this article will start a trend saying all 360 games are coming to the PS3 like last year about MGS4 to 360.

[juuken]

....Wow. By the time all of these games are ported over, the 360 would be done for. :o
And this is why MS cannot be trusted.

[caffman]

if you think that then...well girly you have a lot to learn about the world.
And going back to a previous comment, I seen to remember Sony droids acting like the world was ending and sending off petitions when GTA went multiplatform

[juuken]

...Sure.
Sony can trusted enough to deliver an excellent console that doesn't break within a month.
And could you link where there were petitions going around? You xbabies love talking from your asses, don't ya? You don't provide a link and you expect me to take you seriously?
And don't call me girly.

[testerg35]

Not sure if there was a petition for GTA4, but there was one for DMC4. PS3 fans cried like crazy as soon as they learned that DMC4 was also coming to the 360.

[juuken]

Aww, we did?
Hey, you guys can have DMC4 but you won't be getting 5. I bet it stays on the PS3. xD

[Meresin]

Interesting read. It confirms what I thought all along...Namely, that only first-party games are ever really going to be exclusive to one console or another.

[Hellraizer]

I'm really shocked...

[ChrisGTR1]

this is good to hear. looks like mgs4 substance is coming to 360. especially seing as they are really short on money to the point of putting a freaken ipod in game.

[mistertwoturbo]

If they find out a way to compress 50gb's and make the game without caching data from a standard HDD, then sure I'd agree with you.

Ask yourself, was there ever a MGS3: Substance for the XBOX? No. MGS2 for the xbox sold like crap, so there's no need for Konami to make a 360 version of MGS4.

It's just not going to happen. Sony knows this is one of their biggest games ever, they aren't going to let it go. And I guess you didn't catch the last thing Kaz Hirai said about changing they're strategies about paying for exclusives. Looks like they're fighting fire with fire.

[Martini]

It's well known fact that the ps3 games are very "bloated"

[ChrisGTR1]

actually, sonys biggest game was GTA... and now its on 360. so if they let that game go this will defenetly follow. especially seing MGS4 wasnt published by sony, its defenetly coming to 360

[McValdemar]

How can we call this article...
...discovery of "hot water"?

We have timed exclusives from ages.
And when you have the timed exclusive, obviously, you don't allow talking/commenting on the possibility of other portings.

Have been this way ALWAYS.

[beavis4play]

question the guy didn't answer is: why did ken levine continually say " bioshock will never come to the ps3"?
he said this on more than 1 occasion. it's the first thing i thought of when ps3 bioshock was confirmed.

[mistertwoturbo]

Because $$$$$$$$ was slapped all over his face. If someone paid you a million dollars to deny something, you probably would too lol

[Picnico]

First of all, can be we be sure that the article is true?

A lot of people think that we already knew that 2K Boston had lied to us because they claim to remember reading the company say that 'Bioshock will never come to the PS3'. They never said that- videogame website writers interpreted 2K Boston's comments as meaning that. What 2K Boston actually said is that there were no secret plans for Bioshock to come to the PS3. This is different from saying that they have 100% ruled out the possibility of EVER having plans for Bioshock to come to the PS3.

It's like me saying that I have no plans to go to America. Does that mean that I might NEVER in my life go to America? No- and no-one would call me a hypocrite if I decided to.

Show me an article where Kevin Levine himself says the words 'Bioshock will never come to the PS3'. There isn't one.

The best we knew before this article, and after a PS3 version had been announced, is that Ken Levine had been 'economical with the truth' but we couldn't prove he had lied.

But if he has actually lied, and PS3 development was definitely planned or going on then he does himself no favours.

[marionz]

So I guess we will see Mgs4 on the 360 6 months to a year from now, as it will be kinda the same deal that sony will have with konami.

[cellypower]

How does a 50gig disk fit on a dvd?

[thewhoopimen]

MGS4 is one of the dying breeds of 3rd party true exclusives. You won't see it on 360. This article mainly pertains to Microsoft's strategy. Sony has more leverage on getting true exclusives.

[GameDev]

is that it makes all the "hahahahaha no deve wants to work on the PS3 version cause the games dont sell" garbage that the most rabid xboys were spewing non-stop this time last year seem rather FOOLISH and FANBOYISH. But then again we knew that.

[Ali_The_Brit]

haha so they where working on a PS3 version all along anyway ;D, christ xbots..you guys really must be hiding your head in shame lately

[KING85]

I guess no one can't be mad anymore that they won't be enjoying bioshock. I guess most of us knew that it would be going multiplatform and why should any person be mad that it's multiplatform? I played the demo on the 360 but did not ever get around to buying it. Now that it is coming to the ps3 I definitely will buy it especially that it will more than likely be launched at the budget price of around $40. Lets hope that bioshock 2 is not timed exclusive also and that it gets a simultaneous launch on all platforms.

[heyheyhey]

which means don't be surprised if a PS3 version of Mass Effect is already in the works

[giovonni]

Are forgetting that no 3rd party game is safe, in theory. Some people are spining this as if every 3rd party game is going to come to a certain system, and be better when it does happen. The same can be said about Heavenly Sword which is now being made for the 360, or Bio Shock in that matter. As gamers, we need to not feed into the ha ha 7th grade mentality and look at the article for its true meaning. Which again means no 3rd party game is safe no ps3, no xbox360, or wii game.

[cellypower]

Sony owns Heavenly Sword.

[Silver360]

The developers point of veiw

"Remember Sony claiming that most developers are creating the PS3 version first? That is not because PS3 is more popular, or easier to code, it is purely because from a technical point PS3 is harder to create good code for. Once you’ve created a good code base for PS3, it is easy to turn that into a well running 360 version."

Developers do not owe loyalty to any console maker. They are in business to make money. And of course the PS3 version will look better. Duh!!!! It has to look better to get PS3 owners to buy it and they will have had a year to update the graphics. And while on the subject of graphics the way a game looks depends on how good the graphic artists are these days not so much which console. And multi platform games have to look the same or the console with the worst play or graphics will sell way fewer copies. And as much as fanboys like to rant and rave about my console is "better" developers don't care.

[Clinton514]

Claiming everyone was crazy and should stop asking about the PS3 version. But here we are a year later, and they're trying to push their game despite a dirty lie. If the game sells poorly, I wouldn't feel bad for them.

[pushergreen]

I wonder how many lead POS3 programmers they went through to try and get the POS3 version of Bioshock to work. Not a big deal as the 360 version will still be the superior WON. POS3 version will probably suk because the POS3 is such a nightmare to program for. I am sure the rez will be less not to mention the framerate and screen tear you sonyboys will have to endure.
I don't think it is a big deal these titles are going multi (bio, Mass effect maybe, etc) what bugs me is the idea of future multis being programmed for the POS3 1st would certainly add to the development time. I don't feel 360 fans shouldn't have to WAIT beyond for programmers to finger out the POS3 version 1st then port to 360.

[Wildarmsjecht]

Sucks that developers have to go through 3 360 test consoles every time they make a game for it.

See? I can be a effin moron 2.

[pushergreen]

well maybe they go through multiple 360s big deal how much do you think it cost 2k to hire and fire all those PS3 programmers? Which is worse, a couple of fried consoles or the frustration, fallout, and large expense of hiring and firing PS3 programmers.

[Wildarmsjecht]

Oh yes. Because they know for a fact that no one is going to continue buying a system that breaks so much. Do you hear yourself? You;re ok with ur system being broken. Just shut up. you're done.

[Quickstrike]

at first you think a game is exclusive, then a year later you find out its coming out on another system. I wish developers would just come out and say its timed exclusive, exclusive to a system, or multiplatform instead of just letting flame wars start over rumors.

[N4g_null]

It seems it was only an exclusive because the PS3 early development was going badly and MS wanted to pay them money to hold off on the PS3 version when infact it was another title hit by the wall of cell code that just would not work phase of development. Now every thing seems ok. GTA came out on both systems and most of the games that where delay are starting to emerge right? Maybe or may be not. Even this guy says it is easy to get PS3 code to run on the xbox 360. Which is funny and implies that the xbox 360 was designed a lot better for gaming even though it RROD a lot. I wonder if this type of developing (for the ps3 first) will hurt the xbox 360 more? Also could it be that taping into the full power of the xbox 360 results into RROD? So could the PS3 code be the answer to this problem? Seriously guy killzone2 graphics are shader tricks and artistic expression. There is no real difference in the GPU parts of these systems.

[Expy]

Bioshock was never exclusive. PC gamers with decent setups all had a better experience playing the game.

[pompoms]

This makes me wander how exclusive MGS4 really is? I know Kojima has said its never coming to the 360 but Konami have been a little vague. Personally I think exclusives serve only to exclude poorer gamers from enjoying of all the great games out there. Not all of us can afford all 3 consoles. I own a ps3 by the way.

[ElementX]

I think it's wrong to blatantly lie, regardless if it's the president of the US or Ken Levine.

"I promise you, there is no secret plan about the PS3 that we're keeping from people. There's no PS3 development going on that we're hiding. There's lots of stuff that gets into game code, plans change over time and we got an exclusive deal with Microsoft ... that's not a Rosetta Stone discovery."

[Strife Lives]

If any of those confirmd ps3 games go multi,I'l feel cheated.especially MGS4.The whole exclusivity thng is crazy with MGS4.but,im sure I'd get over it soon.I do have a life and a gf lol

[7h3ultim8p00]

This makes me wonder about Ninja Gaiden II "exclusivity." I mean, I know Itagaki said it'll never be on PS3, but idk.

[watchman]

Yeah sure you spend your time and money working on a game for a platform, your not even sure it's gonna be om, come on!!!. It's like saying, let's make a Enzo ferrari after it's gonna be easy to make a Ford Saleen.

With all the games never seeing the light, I realy don't think that developpers have that kind of thinking. Omly major ones like EA could do such a thing.

[etownone]

OKs, so one of the GOTY for 2007 goes to ps3 a year later....thats ok, that game is old news. Same way another GOTY 2006, oblivion went to the ps3.

How can i put this, it's like your taking out one of your co-worker's ex-girlfriend. You heard him brag about her, and him telling the stories of how he treated her like a ho and how she takes it up the poop shoot, BUT she is so hot, you still wanna take her out and see for yourself. But, now do you go bragging about it afterwards to the same co-worker?

so please sonydroids, after ONE year, if you want to take out one of my ex's, be my guest. I am more than done with her anyways.

hey, its all good, i might be wanting to take out your ex, MGS4, next year when she's available.

[psnDevistator356]

I have for pc and its so sexy! Since i don't have a 360. I probably wont get the ps3 version because when you have a powerful pc most of the time the pc version will be best. But yea goooo ps3 i love you.

[etownone]

"goooo ps3 i love you. "

?!?WTF??! i know this site is over run by sonydroids, but you sir take the cake.

you really really really need to get out the house!

[butterfinger]

was actually pretty insightful, and one of the few blog posts that are worthy of being posted here on N4G.com. I found it interesting that they usually start development on the PS3 first now, because it is harder to code for. That actually does make sense, though, and I'm glad they are starting to do that more and more. I can't wait to see more multiplatform games that look equally impressive on both consoles.

[RINGOFDEATH]

Bioshock,Lost Planet,Mass Effect,Gears of War,Halo 2,etc.Exclusivity means to 1 system only,not porting to the PC and PS3. Microsoft lies alot..

[Harry190]

Bioshock.