Online integration seems to be a big part of the Watch Dogs experience however, it seems you will be punished if you decide to turn it off in the settings. A screenshot was found of this punishment and what it entails.
So players will be punished for not being online? oh boy!
This will turn a lot of people off.
Joy of joys. Online DRM. What next?
The title is misleading- Notoriety skills only apply to the MP. So if i understand it correctly; turning MP invasions off will result in your MP notoriety, and notoriety skills, resetting. I don't think this applies to regular MP, just invasions...but don't quote me on this. I'll be turning invasions off from the get-go. So this won't affect me at all. Still...a crappy move on Ubisoft's part. People should be able to change back and forth at will without being penalized. The title and article make it sound worse than it actually is.
Companies never learn. You reward players for being online, you entice them. You do not punish them. I always thought open world games such as GTA and Watchdogs should continually stream new music and commercials as long as you stay connected. Or they should create random events that download and pop up on occasion. Those events would offer sizable rewards if you are successful. Anything tops Draconian measures on which these idiots continue to insist. Not everyone wants to game with others, or with interference from others. EDIT: Oh look, some cowards like me. @patsrule - One site is reporting that your stats reset to zero when you go offline and not just notoriety.
@randomass171, Its not online DRM. The game works fine if you aren't connected (at least as far as I know). You just won't get the build-up of noteriety if you aren't on-line. But if you aren't on-line, you don't need noteriety anyways.
"Your Notoriety will be reset to 0 and any Notoriety Skills you have unlocked will be lost. Do you want to disable Online Invasions?" This is the most disturbing part i'd guess. If i have gathered points, why do they have to reset the points if i no longer want to be disturbed by online players in my single player campaign?
@morganfell, I would need to see some sort of evidence before I believed whatever one site that says ALL stats get reset. This article clearly shows that Notoriety gets reset, and that makes sense. I would change my opinion if all stats got reset for disabling on-line, but I don't believe that will happen.
@Lukas_Japonicus Lukas, I get what you're saying but I think that this is a dangerous road we're going down. This is the beginning of something much bigger. I don't like this at all.
Like it did me
"One site is reporting that your stats reset to zero when you go offline and not just notoriety" The notification clearly says "Your Notoriety will be reset to 0 and any Notoriety Skills you have unlocked will be lost" If it was all of your stats, it would say so.
@Silent, you are assuming this article is correct and the other article is wrong. I would prefer to err on the side of caution, particularly in light of Unisoft's reputation.
No, what I'm assuming is that Ubisoft didn't forget to mention that going offline wipes your entire game's stats. Unless the screenshot is fake, they only mention notoriety/notoriety skills. Are you sure that they didn't mean online-related stats? Do you even have the link or remember what site it was that said this?
If you don't like it, comment on their Facebook page.
@morganfell I actually agree with most of what you said in your first post (shocking lol). I think that it would be great if there were bonuses to being connected to the servers in the form of extra content (not what's already on-disc and locked though, because that's BS). Also, internet radio would be amazing if they could have high quality sound. I hate that tinny distortion you get from low quality streams, and it would hurt the immersion factor if not implemented properly. While I think that calling this a "punishment" might be a little extreme, you should be able to come and go as you please in terms of going on and offline. The only reason I could think that they reset your notoriety level is that maybe there is something exploitable if you only go online when your friends are on too, like bonuses or boosting achievements/trophies as opposed to having anybody being able to get in at any time?
There has to be some kind of penalty for disabling invasions. Maybe a complete reset is overboard, but none of us have any clue how it works. Otherwise what is to stop someone from just disabling it every time they want to stop playing? Then you turn it on while you are playing. You rarely leave yourself vunerable.
There have always been games that are "always online." The mmorpg genre is all about that as an example. The article said, "it seems that the always online feature is becoming more and more present in games like Need For Speed Rivals and now Watch Dogs. We were originally going to see the always online feature in the Xbox One but during the reveal the screaming reaction from the Xbox Community has that overturned pretty quickly." I feel that is a hasty deduction. Yes, there are games that should be playable offline (watch dogs has that feature), that force online only. Next there are games like titanfall which are multiplayer only. Lastly there is a gray area. The problem with "online only" titles is when a seemingly offline game forces you online. Like IF you had to get online for skyrim, or how SIM city flopped because it was more or less a single player game forced online. paperweight syndrome for a game that is riddled in singleplayer content = wrong.
Post a link to the story in the comments of their Facebook posts. That'll get their attention. I think it's crap. I don't mind having the choice to, or not to play online, but a game like Watch Dogs I'd rather play without interruptions. I'd like to be able to pause the game if need be, and not worry about some crazy crap happening. And I don't want my game progress hindered for wanting to play that way. It's not like it's competitive multi-player in the form of a shooter, where I expect to be online competing. It's a story driven game focusing on the single player campaign.
I think this actually makes sense. They dont want you going around invading people then going off line when you dont want to be invaded. If you want to play online then play online, if not then dont. I would consider that kind of breaking a part of the game so you deserve a penalty. Just play the game as intended.
@morganfell You said they should entice people to participate instead of punishing them for not participating. That's exactly what this is. I think the distinction of this being a "punishment" for not playing online as opposed to being a "reward" for playing online is all in your head. If you play online, apparently you earn perks for doing so. If you don't, you don't. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I don't see the problem with this at all. It's meant to give people an incentive to use the online features. I think it's a great idea.
sorry, I don't get the punishment, if you turn the online mode off.... you can't play online mode? but still, I see it as a easy way out for re-setting your notoriety. unless you can only do it once a day? EDIT: I didn't see notoriety skills, i just thought it said notoriety :S. I dunno what notoriety skills are.
I'm with Lukas_Japonicus and will be turning the feature off from the get go. My first play through I want to play by myself, take in the story, the setting etc. I don't want some randoms ruining my experience for a laugh.
Fine with me, I have no problems with it. If developers want you online they have the right to make games online only. Take MMO for example. I'm looking forward to the online only games that take true advantage of what that environment can add to the game. Quit crying about it, if you don't have internet access there are going to be games that aren't for you. Deal with it and play something else.
"Fine with me, I have no problems with it. If developers want you online they have the right to make games online only. Take MMO for example. I'm looking forward to the online only games that take true advantage of what that environment can add to the game. Quit crying about it, if you don't have internet access there are going to be games that aren't for you. Deal with it and play something else." It's fine with me too, but I don't agree with much else you said. A game that's billed as an MMO isn't the same as a game that's billed as having some online elements and then revealing at this late stage that there's actually a penalty for not being online.
There is no "penalty" for playing offline. There are REWARDS for being online.
Surely this can be circumvented simply by disconnecting your console from the internet? It would be ridiculous if it automatically reset just because my wireless went down. Also this was already emphasized as a problem by the early and allegedly 'illegitimate' reviews. So far those 'illegitimate' reviews have been very accurate in describing the games content.
"There is no "penalty" for playing offline. There are REWARDS for being online." From the article… "Your Notoriety will be reset to zero and any Notoriety Skills you have unlocked will be lost." That's a penalty, homes. Yeah, if you never play online then you never have anything to lose, but what about people who want to play with their friends when they're available and solo when they're not? I bet that's a large group of people.
Yea I am turned off already ... I don't want to always remain online. I don't like the fact that a game will penalize me for not doing so. I hope they don't pull this with The Division.
How is "“By disabling Online Invasions you will not be available for other players to invade, but you will also not be able to participate in Online Hacking and Tailing. Your Notoriety will be reset to zero and any Notoriety Skills you have unlocked will be lost" punishment? This prevents people from invading someone else's game, then going into offline mode until they feel the need to invade someone else's game again. How is this Online DRM at all. You can play the full game without any "punishment" at all without playing online. READ the article. Flaming headline.
Guess what game just fell off my list. Tsk, Tsk. Will pick this up when it falls to the $20-$30 range. For the best, now my money can go towards my Wii U savings.
It baffles me when dev do this. It's fair enough that people will not be able to hack you and you won't be able to participate in any online activity if you play offline but WTF is that have to do with everything you've gained online until that moment you decide to play offline being reset to 0 and gone altogether?? Your stats don't get reset in any other game if you decide to play offline but seriously, WTF is this shit Ubisoft? Can't anybody play a SP game without anyone else interrupting for once anymore? This is just BS!
@Lukas_Japonicus I'm going with your assessment until we ge more info. Plus two things... 1) Not that concerned with playing online. And... 2) Not that concerned with playing Watch Dogs.
I just pre ordered the game in full yesterday. And now it rears its ugly head. Awesome. Looks like my pre order is getting refunded. Thanks for ruining another game for me ubisoft.
@ Mystic Why not just disconnect from PSN or Xbox Live, and play as if you have no internet connection? That way you can play solo without resetting your stats. Unless of course this "reset" thing will detect that, and then reset you anyway. If that is the case, then I would agree with you that it is a "penalty". Otherwise I still look at it as rewards that you only get if you play online and STAY online.
This is a rental for me unless I hear that ppl are really digging the MP, but I based on what I've read so far... I don't think that will be the case. I may be wrong however.
So because I don't want arseholes invading MY game I'm going to be punished by having my points reset. Thanks Ubisoft /s Seriously this whole "online" thing has got to stop, multiplayer fair enough but when it's forced into the single player and punishes you for not turning it on it becomes a p*** take.
Lets not ignore this for what it really is, a sick way of implementing DRM. I can have more 'fun' if I play online all the time? f*** that.
This has nothing to do with single player. Why can't you guys get that through your skulls?
the other problem with this functionality is - what happens if your internet goes down? the game is going to punish you just because your ISP is unreliable? that's not exactly fair at all.
I don't think it would be so bad if this "feature" had been talked about before, but it's a little late for this kind of reveal about the game. @kurruptor - The hell it doesn't. @ziggurcat - Good point.
Can you explain how you're going to be punished if you plan on only playing with the multiplayer features turned off? By "my points" do you mean the points and unlocks you will not have accrued by not participating in the online game modes? And if you are going to eventually, a pretty simple workaround is to complete the single player to your satisfaction and then turn it on, that way nothing will be reset... Where's the punishment in that? It isn't forced into the single player in any way. Do you understand that there are systems in place that will gradually decrease the amount of invasions you receive if you don't participate in invading games yourself? I don't know if 'forced' is the right word. There definitely isn't anyone forcing you to play the game, that much I'm sure of. @ziggurcat There is no way that a failure to connect is going to be considered the same as going into the menu and disabling a feature. That barely makes sense as a concern because those are not the same.
How is that a punishment? If u have it off from the start then you are already at 0. Why would you want to turn that off? Its part of the game and a big part to why the game has the appeal it does. Being able to "invade" someones world is a huge reason why im getting it. It adds a new experience. Why not experience it?
That's why I'm getting it can't wait
Because you might want to switch from online and offline from time to time, yet, in doing so, all of your online progress is wiped out. About your second statement: "Why would you want to turn that off? Its part of the game and a big part to why the game has the appeal it does." Well, speak for yourself. I'm not a competetive gamer. It appeals to me with it's single player. The multiplayer component is a bonus that I'd like to visit on occasion, instead of being forced into it. "Being able to "invade" someones world is a huge reason why im getting it." Good for you. I'm sure that other people have other reasons to be interested in this game, though.
Because people can experience it in their own time....they should be forced to experience it. It's not really the big appeal of the game, it's an open world game which appeals to many single player gamers, thats what it was shown off as. The invading/social stuff is just bonus's for people who want to try it or people who already like that sort of thing.
Fox I feel u misunderstood me. I ment hacking is the big appeal to the game. The fact you can hack another player just adds to the atmosphere of the game. Knowing you can be hacked at any moment is thrilling. Dmd why turn it off other than just to do it? I just dont understand why you would want to shut out a part of the game that is such a focus from the developer? So your telling me that if it was NPCs hacking you randomly you would be ok with it? Its not like u need to have a conversation with the guy. He hacks you, you kill him, life moves on.
It's a punishment because it doesn't allow you the chance to say "I've had enough of people invading my game for now", and simply turn it off for a little while, to pick up where you were later on if you feel like it. If you quit, you lose ALL of your progress regarding your online-related skills, from what people have gathered from the article. If it didn't reset your progress, then it wouldn't be a big issue. But it does, from all indications, and that's a bad thing. It's literally unnecessary to do so. It's an undesirable punishment for not choosing and sticking with on or off for the entirety of your gameplay experience. There's no in-between option that will allow you to go back to where you were in your online capabilities without a lot of tedious re-grinding.
Monkeyman if this is all true I can on imagine the reason for them to do this is to detore cheaters that jump in and jump out. My bigger point is that its their game. If they want you to commit to online then its their choice to do so. Punishment. Thats ridiculous. An inconvenience maybe. Punishment? The self entitlement gamers have is sickening. Id say just dont by the damn thing but we will and we will enjoy it.
Console Players are ALREADY Punished by being ONLINE it's called $59.99 Xbox Live and PSN+ Now they will get PUNISHED again for being Offline. Talk about tough love.
Getting games added to my Instant Game Collection every month is a punishment? If that's the case, Sony can go ahead and punish me some more.
PSN is only $49.99 And paying for servers isn't punishment. Punishment is if you didn't pay that money but your multiplayer game started after a 30 second advert. Was interrupted half-way through for four 30 second adverts. Then you had to watch another 30 second advert when the game was over. Like you'll find on many network streaming services.
PSN is only $49.99 And paying for servers isn't punishment. Punishment is if you didn't pay that money but your game started after a 30 second advert. Was interrupted half-way through for four 30 second adverts. Then you had to watch another 30 second advert when the game was over. Like you'll find on many network streaming services.
why can't i enjoy my game that i pay for offline, i don't want some moron to enter my game. Single player for a damn reason. UBI you are turning into the new EA with announcements of season passes 6-9 months in advance and i special editions for watch dogs keep it up and soon enough gamers will turn on your games. stupidity at its finest
Who says that you can't enjoy the game offline? Start the game, turn the feature off, and play the game. Quit making a mountain out of a molehill.
-EvoAnubis- not when the progress will be reset every time, so the choice is either play always online or don't play at all.
Dude, Notoriety is the ranking system very specifically for the online play. If you're not playing online, it doesn't concern you anyway. It's not going to take away the upgrades and whatnot from the single player game; that has nothing to do with this system. Here, get some knowledge in you: http://www.examiner.com/art...
Not a punishment. More like by not participating online, the game loses some functionality.
After the graphic downgrade this game went off my day one purchase. After this news it has gone into my when its 20 euros brand new list. If I got this game I would have played online and never disabled the thing but after finding out I've no choice??!!! Screw that, heres my new choice.
99% of people that comment here never even read the DAMN ARTICLE. They just read the title and comment. Dumbasses
Maybe if the authors would stop using flamebait titles people would stop to read the article, rather than saying screw it not worth my time. That is a part human nature, apparently so is being a asshole to 50+ people, who did not personally attack you whatsoever.
Its going to be TURNED OFF permanently for me, i'm not gonna support this online forced crap !!!
well i dont like online anyways i suicide if invaded in dark souls so oh well more of the same
You don't even try? Hows that feel?
It probably "feels" like he's trying to enjoy the campaign and not be interrupted by cheaters, masters purposely staying at level 1, etc.
simply put it doesnt feel, they are not relevent to my gamiing experiance at most it costs 3k souls to repair a ring a price i gladdly pay,
Your assuming he/she wants to experience the pvp portion of the game, that isn't always the case. Sometimes getting invaded in ds was fun, other times it was a pain in the ass because it could screw up world tendency. Mainly it's you don't want to deal with people being stupid or the players that intentionally do things to piss you off for their amusement. And now i need to play demon souls again. Some of us aren't big on competitive play.
No need to suicide, just quickly go to the system menu and sign out. If you wait until they have fully invaded your world you can even cost them their cracked red orb as it counts as a lost for them. I've been using this method since demons souls and boy do I enjoy the hate mail from these losers. Can't stand invaders as they are never looking for a fair fight, just some cheap trolling fun. Anyone looking for a good fair fight would be PvPing in one of the MANY covenants with other players who are of the same mindset, instead of invading unsuspecting players who want to enjoy co-op with friends so f'em. Never had any intention on playing this game online anyway and this confirms it.
couldnt agree more, because of the fact people cant find out who you are they all seem to think they can be complete [email protected] heads and get away with it, its always fun to see someone get them back with certain techniques like yours lol. I remember all the hate mail i used to get on COD4 because cheaters hated it when they died.
Glad I'm not that type of player. If I had Dark Souls, I'd be invading for the "soul" sake of helping people out.
After years of playing games online the only thing i have come away with is the knowledge ppl in general are complete toss pots and like to grief for fun, but when you do something to prevent them from being toss pots they will call you a care bear lol.