Secret Ponchos Developer Explains Why They Are Not Developing Games For The Xbox One

"Secret Ponchos is an upcoming online shooter fighting video game for PC and PlayStation 4 which is under development at Switchblade Monkeys."

[Activemessiah]

Xbone just got Wii Ued.

[HexxedAvenger]

yea it did... :|

[Anthotis]

They want their games to be all they can be, and that's fair enough. The Xbox One would prevent them from achieving this.

A similar situation with DC Universe Online, is that it's development is being hindered by last gen, when it's focus should be on next/now gen, and last gen should be abandoned.

It makes no sense for a game developer to put obstacles in front of themselves.

[4Sh0w]

"Wii-Ued" nah, just a small indie dev team that chose ps4. What 3rd party dev that made 360 games is not making games for X1 so far?

I'd really like a list of ALL these indie games coming to ps4 and not X1 so I can see what I'm really missing out on. I think those type statements are more exaggeration and HOT AIR than actually a ton of great indie games only found on ps4. I'm glad though that indies have so many choices to showcase their games these days, just because I dont have the time or care about every little nitch title doesn't mean that others dont want them.

I think X1 gamers have their fill of indies, hell tons of indie stuff is just a click away on your cell phone. I prefer to only play a few of the ones that standout because I bought my X1 to play games like Ryse, DR3, Forza5, Titanfall, and soon Sunset Overdrive 99% of the time, hopefully micro will continue that focus.

[choujij]

Sad Face.

[XisThatKid]

I imagine when they began development MS was still on that BS with not being as indie friendly as much as Sony considering the Pubfund and other Indie plans and fixtures were implanted in Sony's strategy while the PS3 was in it's prime while MS continued to restrict and dictate indie devs. This is just for those that didn't know. If Your MS fan this is fact and learn to deal with MS and their shortcomings while reasonably defending XBoxs superior fields. Sony fans get off the high horse, things arent always going to be like this we're only 6 months in don't eat some those words most of them are quite bitter.

[Prime157]

4show, here's a list of games already out. Italicized games are indie: http://bgr.com/2014/04/21/p...

Now here's wiki's table that breaks down exclusives in 3 ways: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

I bet that e3 changes the list as many games either announce, set a release date, or change our add onto news of a release date. After all, the games industry is constantly evolving and deadlines are sometimes too fast... sometimes.

The info wasn't hard to find...

[amiga-man]

This will become more and more the norm, with Indies especially tight on resources it makes perfect sense to develop for the easiest platform to develop on with the largest market share.

But this won't just apply to indies even larger studios will at the very least use the PS4 as the lead platform and may very well decide against an xone version especially if sales continue to lag so far behind the PS4

[4Sh0w]

@Prime157 That list you provided is inaccurate. For example off the top of my head it lists games like Amazing Spiderman 2 for ps4 in Apr while it also released for X1 in Apr, never mind it's not indie, but its also missing old stuff like The Fighter Within, again not indie but its listing non-indie games for ps4 so it just makes it it less than creditable. Then there are recent games missing like Nutjitsu, Super Time Force for X1 not listed.

What's blatantly clear though is the level of quality indie/download games in the ps4 lineup. You got to admit its bloated with alot of 5min fillers, forget much of them are old pc ports but games like Pinball Arcade, Zen Pinball, Backgammon, Chess and Trivia games are just borderline stat fillers. lol, come on seriously bro, the point I think your response to my question only highlights even more that YES there's an occasional very interesting indie game (most of which are on both) and then there's a bunch of stuff that console owners aren't necessarily asking for that will sell to a tiny audience, which is why I don't think it's valid to pretend X1 owners are missing out on tons of great indie games.

For all the indie talk your list only proves neither console has a wealth of highly anticipated *creative/innovative/interesti ng indie games. Hell besides games like Max, Resogun and Child of Light, I'd take the *unlisted xbox fitness over 50 of those 5min filler games I can play right now on my cell phone here at work.

Thanks, appreciate all your help.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Secret Ponchos? Ponchos like Mexico?

[Angeljuice]

@4Show

The Fighter Within is best forgotten. I really don't know why you brought it up as every single indie game that you're trying hard to belittle absolutely kicks its arse from here to next week (even the worst of them).
I'd take the PS4's indie lineup over the XB1 'AAA' lineup anyway, but horses for courses I suppose.

[4Sh0w]

Angeljuice, damm I thought I spelled it out pretty clear. You're right it sucks but that wasn't my point at all= the REASON I bought it up was because the link he provided has seemingly ALL games listed, instead of just indies which is the topic. Damm if you're going to correct me, linking a games list which is it? All games or just indie games? If it's missing that and others what else are we missing for comparison? So the list itself is questionable. lol, its tough to have a rational discussion working off of flawed info, I bought up Fighter Within as a example of inaccuracy not how good or bad it was. That said even omitting the mistakes it's clear all this indie talk isn't translating to any real significant advantage in quality games for either, that's not belittle indies that's just calling a spade a spade, sure today's indie devs making a poker game with some fireworks is tomorrow's next Remedy but that's a discussion for IF and WHEN that happens.

Again its not me against indies, as a gamer I love startups that have a passion to make games, that said I have no responsibility to support every indie dev, no like any startup they have to do something worthy of my $$$, being nice guys isn't by itself a reason to spend my $$$, so its me calling BS for those trying to make a big deal out of a small unknown dev like Secret Ponchos not making a X1 game. Hell it's nothing really bad here he had this to say:

“In terms of our SKU plan for other consoles, we decided earlier on that we want to keep development focused on one single console platform (PS4), so we can have the best chance of creating a high quality experience. "

If you read it he then went on further to praise micros id@xbox, they just don't have resources to do both right now. I think it's smart to go ps4, get whatever sells you can, build a foundation and when you have the money expand.

[chaos-lockheart]

@4Sh0w

They might be indies, but great things come from small beginnings. A lot of indie came are top rated.

[4Sh0w]

Chaos, I agree, not all will be successful but you never know who's the diamond in the rough. I never said different.

[memots]

Wait is the secret Ponchos the same that was worn by the whole crowd at MS conference at e3 ?

[UltraNova]

hahaha, more like someone stole the bone from the Xbone!

[MRMagoo123]

@4show

"If you read it he then went on further to praise micros id@xbox, they just don't have resources to do both right now. I think it's smart to go ps4, get whatever sells you can, build a foundation and when you have the money expand." I know its kinda offtopic here but its "get whatever *sales* they can" not sells.

[XxExacutionerxX]

If Bungie, Valve, Respawn or EA as a company said they didn't want to make games on the Xbox One, it would be a big deal and I would care. Who cares what Secret Ponchos makes games on, its just another crappy indie game that can make its way on the PS4. There are PS4 indie titles that are so horrible, I didn't download them for free and I have PSplus.
Good, stay off Xbox One, who cares.

Oh and by the way Sony Fanboys who think the Xbone got Wii Ued (Wow), If this talked about how this developer didn't want to make games on PS4. You would say the same comment that I am saying right now.

[Codewow]

Not so much WiiUed as Xboned. Because the Wii U is on an opposite playing field compared to both the PS4 and Xbox One. It's just not as capable of a machine.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@codewow
LOL....come on man....its an indie game.

[Kingthrash360]

a game is a game.
when you consistently hear announcement after announcement about new games for ps4..and the polar opposite with the x1..people are gunna notice.
you do realise also that legendary devs like ND were indie devs first right...this gives sony a chance to built relationships with new talent and pull the great devs out there and continue to build on their 1st party exclusive studios.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@kingthrash
I was referring to Codewow, saying that it is just not a capable system.

[ThePope]

@King

Polar opposite? Really, I know this is N4G but that's just stupid. ALL the major and 250(by MS design) indie guys are making games for the X1.

Have you ever considered the reason Sony is talking SOOO much about indies is they have little AAA to talk about? I mean MS just released more about Sunset Overdrive, and now we are already getting teased about GoW.

Keep your indies man, because a game is NOT a game, when you're playing it on a $400 console, as indies don't meet expectation's

[4Sh0w]

lol@Kingthrash

"hear announcement after announcement"

Seriously like what announcements? What games?, have any specific titles to share? lol, I know the parity clause affects some small indies that can't make simultaneous releases, but I'm curious what are ALL these announcements I'm missing out on? Or is that some vague statement suggesting X1 lacks healthy indies support when in fact as of Feb 2014 WELL OVER 200 INDIES are making games for X1. http://news.xbox.com/2014/0...
-jeesh, Its very hard to shed a tear for a small few that wont come to X1 while in the meantime there is ENORMOUS indie dev support already available for X1. A significant portion of the X1 fanbase won't be able to play even 10% of the indie games that DO come to X1. I'd say both ps4 and X1 have bloated indie game support since consoles are mainly about next gen games, I mean even you have to admit that the most talked about complaint on every site of sonys E3 was a over reliance on indie games. Thats not a coincidence or a conspiracy frankly indie games are not at the forefront of what most buy either console for, that's why it was a common criticism.

[MasterCornholio]

@Melman26

So is No Mans Sky but that doesn't mean it can run on extremely weak systems.

[SilentNegotiator]

@4show

"WELL OVER 200 INDIES are signed up for the ID@Xbox program in case they decide to develop for Xbox One - since signing up implies no obligation and costs nothing"

Fixed.

[jnemesh]

@4Sh0w (leetspeek usernames are weak btw) Here is the list of all announced Xbox One games to date:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And here are the PS4 games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Heres the highlights:

This is a list of Xbox One games currently planned for release either at retail or via download.

There are currently 165 games on this list.

Exclusive = 17
Microsoft exclusive = 9
Console exclusive or timed = 11/3
Multiplatform = 125
Playable = 42 available to purchase (9 of these are exclusive to Xbox One)

This is a list of retail and digital PS4 games planned for release. Multiple titles are currently in development. Some publishers have indicated that they are developing titles for the PS4 without explicitly stating what they will be, which are not included in this list.[1] Sony says they have "every" significant third-party developer supporting the PS4.[2]

There are currently 240 games on this list (15 of which have been confirmed as free-to-play).

Exclusive = 28 (1 of these are free-to-play)
Sony Exclusive = 19
Console exclusive and/or timed = 70/1 (8 of these are free-to-play)
Multiplatform = 122 (1 of these is free-to-play)
Playable = 71 available to purchase (10 of these are exclusive to PS4)

Notice the dramatic difference in number of titles now bub?

[aragon]

lol u people on here with indies. So by that logic the indie dev that said they were making their game for xbone only and not ps4, so the ps4 is doomed? Grow up.

[redwin]

Did you see the game? It's not like it's The Witcher III, it's more like ghost and goules . An online only game( for all of you that hated that from TitanFall ). It sounds like they are strapped for resources . That's why they can't spread themselfs too thin ! I don't care, I won't buy unless I play a demo anyways. I hope they come up with a demo.

[4Sh0w]

@Silent, you make things up based on speculation and hopes, I just provide facts:

-Quote from the link I provided above:

"Remember, this list is by no mean exhaustive – more than 200 developers are already creating games using dev kits provided by ID@Xbox right now"

-key words= "creating games", "right now"
http://news.xbox.com/2014/0...

@jnemesh, again I never said X1 had more, but more doesn't mean better, especially in the case of indies which you and I both know are full of low budget misses vs the rare creative HIT GAME. Check out the link Prime157 provided http://bgr.com/2014/04/21/p... it's not accurate but good enough to illustrate my point, for all the indie talk there's not really alot to be missed. lol unless your waiting for a variety of run of the mill pc ports or worst borderline shovelware trivia games chess and checkers. Let's also see how future *planned games and their exclusivity turns out. Either way in no way am I saying I have some elitist attitude against ANY indie, I just got to call BS when you try to pretend this is like "OMG Secret Ponchos isn't making a X1 game!", lol Who? Let's be real this isn't something worth fighting over, X1 has 250 indies making games, that should be plenty to find a excellent indie game here or there, those not coming to X1 it's OK, that's life, I'll wipe my tears and just play something else.

[SilentNegotiator]

"creating games using dev kits"...funny that they don't say that 200 games are in the works; just implied that 200 devs have USED the dev kits in some sort of capacity.

Learn PR speak or you will be fooled all of your life by game companies. Companies like MS looove guys like you.

[ThanatosDMC]

Kinectless Xbone is now being called Barebones.

MS just cant get a break... lol. It was their fault though.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

and Ouyaed you forget to say as well

[medman]

LOL!

[mike_honcho]

more like 3DO'd

[MasterCornholio]

Sounds like the parity clause is stopping them from releasing it on Xbox One. They dont have a huge amount of resources so at the moment they are just focusing on the platforms that are easiest to develop for which is the PS4 and PC.

[Nodoze]

The parity clause will be the next thing MS 180's on. They have to now as they are not the goto console.

The parity clause shows just how MS handles things. They work to dominate a market and then intimidate.too bad their arrogance may just cost them this entire generation.

[TBONEJF]

It's because SONY listens to DEV using the familiar processor chip if anyone remember PS4 last SPRING conference.

[Magicite]

step by step 3rd party will start skipping X1, MS wont be able to bribe them all.

[rivencleft]

I'm going to start using that anytime someone gets cold-shouldered, you got Wii U'd! Awesome.

[DLConspiracy]

The game looks.... OK.

PS4's Spaghetti Western Fighting Game: Secret Pon…: http://youtu.be/hwjrz4d6M5M

[memots]

this game looks ... Meh

[Elimin8]

lol or Wii-ded?

[isthe]

what do you mean by "Wii Ued"?

[lelo]

I have a PC and never heard of these guys before. Everyone wants their 5 min of fame.

[truefan1]

I'm sure I'll miss their games. lol

[ger2396]

I thought you said it's all about games?

[Ron_Danger]

@ger2396

He changes his talking points all the time for whatever is most convenient for the current argument. Almost all his comments are reactionary to what he thinks will get the most responses, regardless of how applicable it is.

[MysticStrummer]

He normally doesn't admit indies are games at all, so let's be happy with this small progress.

[Kingthrash360]

smh....its always all about YOU, huh.
its impossible to see the real problem when you are sooo self centered.
i thought games were important too you...you always stick to the past and say "ms has more launch exclusives" now with more and more games NOT coming you brush it off like this doesn't matter? man you loyalists are spinners.
i dont even own a x1 but i'm concerned about this kind of news...this isnt the first time this kind of news hit the x1...i guess you wont be satisfied until the x1 has the same level of game devs as the wiiu.

[BX81]

You don't own a XB1? Would've never guessed.

[Kingthrash360]

lol, nope but i intend to..i always buy them all,
but i'm a smart buyer...and right now >>IMO<< it's not a smart move. i like to be sure of something when i pay that much money for something. i got a ps4 because they appealed to me and imo showed they are about the games. from day 1 they haven't changed that tune...ms seems really unsure of themselves and in the beginning rubbed me the wrong way. if you bought it thats cool no judgment coming from me...but i refuse to give 500 bucks (or even 400) for a underpowered machine that doesn't have an identity yet.
so yeah...i don't.
i want 1 but my brain says nope..not yet. i'd only buy it for the exclusives...halo coming fall 2015...gears is looking at 2016...so prolly a 2016-17 buy. the price will have dropped even lower by then.

[sic_chops]

@trufan one day you might. Do you think bungie's first game was halo? @ger he is just a troll who is still trying to find ways to justify his purchase. Too bad he only has one bubble.

[MysticStrummer]

That's funny, from your other comments I would have guessed that you wouldn't define this as a "game" anyway, since it's an indie.

Interesting that you called it a game here.

Are the voices in your head fighting again?

[Kribwalker]

It's just an indie dev trying to get some free advertising. Instead of telling us why you won't make this game for one console, why don't you tell us why it's a must have game? I see, because it'll most likely be a terrible piece of garbage anyways and no one would even know about your company or your game if you weren't slamming xbox

[MysticStrummer]

You may want to read the article. They didn't slam XB1 at all.

[WeAreLegion]

We all know about the game and are excited for it.

[OrangePowerz]

Where was he slamming the X1? You really need to learn reading. Also it's from an interview, it's that thing where the media ask questions and the devs have to answer them. Xbox fans like you or Truefan1 give normal Xbox fans a bad rep.

[T2]

wow what a surprise... every game that ps4 gets there aren't ONE xbox fan who likes that type of game. It's quite amazing really, xbox fans apparently only like titanfall, halo, gears, forza.

enjoy your long summer with 0 of "your kind of" games.

[jessupj]

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[memots]

With DLC "blinders"

[Anon1974]

I've had the opportunity to briefly correspond with Yousuf and another member of his team. Great group of Canadian indies! Looking forward to picking up this game and seeing what this developer brings to the table next. Secret Ponchos looks like it's shaping up to be a blast. It's a shame more people won't be able to play this title, but I respect their decision to make the best game they can on one platform and not spread themselves too thin. Smaller devs have to make these kind of calls when it comes to their limited resources.

Edit below: I wouldn't say developing on multiple consoles is effortless, and given this is a team of 5 guys you can understand that even if it was easy to go from PC to multiple consoles, configuration and testing alone on another console would add quite a bit of time to the development process when you've only got a limited amount of people. And it's not like they can finish the PS4 version, release it and then work on the Xbox One version with the way Microsoft's Parity clause works.

[Death]

Porting between the consoles and PC are pretty much effortless which has been demonstrated a few times already. They are either very incapable indies or are being polite. I'm leaning towards them being polite so they don't burn any bridges in the future.

[Death]

The API's between PC and Xbox One are almost identical. The big differance when porting from PC to Xbox One is the artwork which the PC is more capable of. Being an "indie" title, the artwork isn't an issue like it would be on todays tiple A PC games. If they weren't releasing a PC version then I would say it's simply due to the fact they are a small indie. Depending on when the PC version ships it is most likely the parity clause which is easily bypassed by signing a timed exclusive agreement with Sony. It's looking more and more like Sony isn't signing exclusives with indies in order to stick it to Microsoft. It's a valid strategy that seems to be working but isn't helping indies either. It's a two wrongs don't make a right kind of thing.

[ThanatosDMC]

Wow, you must have ported a lot of PC games on to the Xbone. I'm seriously impressed.

[Death]

You must have written a lot of novels to be able to write a response...

I think there may be an alternative to porting games. I choose to read what developers have said about the similarities between Windows based PC development and Windows based console development. Developers have stated the API's are extremely similar and the only real issue they have porting from PC to Xbox One is transferring the art which is much more robust on the PC. Indies are using very little of anyones resources which is why 2 guys in their mom's basement can make an indie game. Of course you are probably one of the people that don't know the difference between independent developers and "indies" which is the new name for homebrewed developers.

[mark3214uk]

i think you will see a lot of 180's from ms @ E3 for indie policys and other things

[Ausbo]

There's nothing left to "180". Except the parity clause I guess

[TheUndertaker85]

Oh? So they wouldn't get rid of that extra HDMI used for input to cut costs along with reduce power consumption in an effort to move more units?

Nah, just couldn't happen... /s

[r1sh12]

The main reason why indie games cant always make it to multiple platforms, the dev teams are too small.

[Anon1974]

Well, small development teams is one thing for sure, but let's be honest. Microsoft's Parity clause isn't doing small devs any favors. If you want to bring your game to multiple platforms, it takes time and resources. When you finish a game on one platform, you want to launch that game and start making some money so you have resources to port to other platforms.

With MS's parity clause, if you choose to go that route you have to start with development on the Xbox One first and then make the game for other consoles, you can't do it the other way around or else MS won't let you launch on their platform. And what happens if you need more time for the Xbox One version? Then you have to delay launch on other platforms, constraining your financial resources even further while you worry about "launch parity". I can see why some developers might just choose to skip over the Xbox One altogether and just not have to deal with that nonsense. How many developers have to say they're skipping the Xbox entirely before MS revises this policy?

[Death]

That's not true. Development on both the PC and Xbox One is extremley similar with both being Windows based and using the same API's. This is especially true for indies that aren't using many of either systems available resources. From a profit standpoint the PS4 is the console I would target first if I were an indie since the install base is larger than the Xbox One. If I was making a PC port at the same time though, I would target PC/Xbox One for the larger userbase and port to PS4 when I could. This would make the parity disclosure irrelvant while targeting the largest audience available with very little additional initial investment.

[Anon1974]

I understand Sony has given them developmental assistance as well which may play into why they're doing the PS4 version but, yep. The game starts on the PC during development and then you could port to the Xbox One and launch to the PS4 at a later point where that isn't an option if you launch with the PS4 and then want to develop for the Xbox One later. Unless you have the ability and resources to launch your versions simultaneously, Microsoft pretty much has you over a barrel if you ever want to launch on the Xbox One. "You launch with us first or you don't launch at all."

Or, the third option which a number of developers are choosing, you tell Microsoft politely (or not at all) to take a flying leap and you just ignore their console altogether until they revise their restrictive policies. You launch on the console with the larger install base who's players, traditionally have been more supportive of a variety of indie titles across multiple genres.

[mcarsehat]

How is this article not tagged for the Xbox One section?

The tagging alone puts the perspective of the uploader into a malicious light, post it on both so it doesn't look like flame-bait.

[Software_Lover]

This is what the internet has done to gaming and this is the bulk of articles we will see this gen.

I rarely saw articles about these types of games that weren't coming to the ps3.

I respect the devs decision to focus on one platform and i seems as if the ps4 offers the easiest port. I can't fault them for answering questions that are only used for headlines to get hits to their site.

My question is this: Why not focus on the game, how development is going, what makes it a good game, how they chose what type of game to create. Instead of focusing on "yeah!!!!! it's not coming to platform B".

[Illusive_Man]

Whatever

[Ryan741]

God, 95% of Indies are one play trash, what the heck is the big deal with them?

[Spotie]

The same can be said for non indies. For some odd reason, though, all the people hating on indies seem to forget about that.

[MysticStrummer]

Yes the same can be said for most books, movies, tv shows, etc...

[BX81]

I agree. The majority of indies are crap but that doesn't mean it down plays the gems. You just gotta choose carefully.

[mrmarx]

just say because the bone sucks so much we are willing to lose money. aye you might as well go ps4 exclusive i'll make room on my hdd for you

[Speak_da_Truth]

No guys its a indie game so it doesn't matter LOL xbox fanboy logic

[OC_MurphysLaw]

“In terms of our SKU plan for other consoles, we decided earlier on that we want to keep development focused on one single console platform (PS4), so we can have the best chance of creating a high quality experience. "

Wait... didn't we hear something like before? Oh wait thats right. Respawn basically said the same thing but SDF insisted it was money hatting that was the reason for Respawn focusing on Xbox One and PC first. And before you say it, EA hired Bluepoint to do the port for the 360 and cut the deal with MS AFTER they had already decided to focus on X1 and PC first.

The point is, often the case will be smaller studios will elect to focus on fewer platforms where they think they can maximize their efforts and results. I have no issue with these guys deciding to go PC & PS4 if they feel it was the best course for them for now.

[Spotie]

Odd, then, that even Respawn spoke at length about the PS4 version that was to come.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Pretty sure Respawn always talked about concentrating on the Xbox One and PC versions of the game first. Vince talked about it "could" come to the PS4 and he said certainly future Respawn games would come to PS4 but I dont ever recall him saying anything about a confirmed PS4 version outside of down the road and that was before the EA deal.

[Spotie]

Google what was actually said, and you'll find it to be more along the lines of what I said than what you did. A PS4 version of Titanfall was always coming, until exclusivity was bought.

Something that isn't happening here; blame Microsoft for this game never coming to XB1.

[bleedsoe9mm]

shows how important being the company that kickstarted next gen was too sony , ms was so much on their heels and probably won't recover with small devs until DX12

[azure1990]

Y'all want to pull out this bull$hit. It at least Microsoft allowed insomniac to publish their game exclusive without ripping their rights away from them by um who? Oh yea Sony..

[Beeker]

This comment explains your 1 bubble

[Mikethejew]

until a AAA studio does this it isn't news. No one gives a #@$@ that some no name indie studio didn't develop for the xbone

[BlackTar187]

You guys are disgusting.

How can you spit posion like this is beyond me.

Indies= Future downplaying them and just acting like entitled jerks is the oppisite of what this industry needs.

I'm sure there's a # of people who say SCREW Indies then make comments about all the Sequels and no original games coming out.

It's disgusting behavior and i look forward to MS doing more for the Indie scene so people who are so Pro Xbox they hate something so important and pivotal to the medium can wise up and stop hating just to hate.

[Mikethejew]

so saying one game that's an indie not coming to the xbone is not a big deal is the same as saying screw indies? You need to learn how to read.

[BlackTar187]

"No one gives a #@$@ that some no name indie studio didn't develop for the xbone"

So you're saying this only represents your feelings toward this specific DEV and Game?

Is that the truth? I know it's not. This way of thinking is not just for one dev.

Yes your post is in a singular game article but the comment is worded to imply this is a feeling you have towards the Indie devs in general.

Question do you know enough about this specific game dev and game to justify a statement like that being a singular feeling?

[LexHazard79]

Ok, im reading some really stupid comments regarding this. Im pretty sure there is plenty other devs giving the Xbox One a go.

I like how some of you guys are saying Xbox got Wii Ued and all th is other crap, yet MS not losing any sleep over Swithcblade Monkey not wanting to develop on Xbox One.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Just laugh and move on. The game actually looks pretty fun, but I've got plenty of top-down shooters to not miss it. If a developer chooses the PS4, everyone is "boned" but if a dev chooses the XB1 it's absolutely coming to the PS4 and it's because of some type of pay off. Just remember this and it makes it easier to laugh at them.

[LexHazard79]

Funny, I dont own a Xbox One yet...its coming on the 9th. Switchblade Monkey, lol....

[blakstarz]

MS stringent policies for indie development is what probably drove these guys away, nothing to do with XB1's power or anything.

I know they said ID@Xbox was suppose to make things easier for devs, but doesn't look that way for some.

[corvusmd]

So they did it only so that they could focus on just one console...ok, that's respectable, esp since he went out to praise MS's indie game development program which he has no ties to. Good luck to them. This isn't nearly the drama that the title and some of the commentators here are thinking it is. I'm sure this kind of thing goes both ways.

“I think it’s great Microsoft is making big steps towards supporting indie development, it creates more opportunities for all indie developers to have multiple platform options,” Yousuf said to GamingBolt.

[beerzombie]

Most indie games suck that's just the bottom line. Making a big deal about 1000 indie games do not impress me. it might hurt them in the long run by making another crappy android market.

[WeAreLegion]

They don't have time or money to do it yet. Why is no one reading the article?

[xpressyoself]

Aw Man! A developer nobody has heard of or gives a shit about won't put their shitty indie game on the xbox! Boo Hoo!!

[LexHazard79]

(Bill Belichick voice) YES, Oh YES......
Bubble for funny.

[xpressyoself]

I find it hilarious that we have tons of experts of this "developer" on here and how this is supposedly a big deal. Case n Point Adolph below me

[Aussiebeachbabe]

Yeah. Indie games are either good or bad. I have both consoles but shall see what this is like before I buy. These guys making indie games think too much of themselves. But like I said I'll shall see if they're worthy?

[MegaRay]

Aw Man! A developer nobody has heard of or gives a shit about won't put their shitty indie game on the console nobody want! Boo Hoo!

-sorry couldnt resist :(

[Predaking77]

The thing is that this is not the first case. Many other upcoming games are going just to the PS4 PC combo. Many developers re choosing not to release on the x1, Square Enix and final fantasy online , a triple A title, is an example.

[Adolph Fitler]

Not every indie game is some little, blocky graphics, 2D platformer or the like, that many fanboys seem to think... I mean, wouldn't Insomniac rate as a indie developer....Yes, I believe they are completely indie when it comes to every part of there development process & decisions, & they stay completely independent, for the cost of there IP's.....so point being, indie developers are also responsible for some blockbuster hits, & hopefully Sunset Overdrive will eventuate into something extroadinary, rather than a hugely hyped mediocre, turd like FUSE, as if Insomniac die, well, one of the biggest, most established & best blockbuster triple A capable indie teams will prove extinct, & will discourage MOST other indies, not to think TOO big, & we'll end up surrounded by 2D platformers with retro graphics, or more Minecraft type turds... I personally HATE all those type games..... The good part is, that Secret Ponchos is not like that, & looks awesome, & xpressyoself, you sound butthurt, or just plain ignorant, as this developer is comprised of some awesome game developers from the bigger blockbuster studios.....SO don't be a jealous little fanboy, just buy a PS4, if you want the game.... At least you'll be getting a FULL game, rather than DemoBoxOne, with it's series of belayed demos that release in installments, such as Killer Instinks, or Forza 4.5, or maybe you could lay down your FULL game price for Titalfall, & wait for the other half of the game to fall, onto Live & MS will charge you another $20 for some more game modes to fatten the original up to what should have come on the disk in the 1st place....PS4 may have 1 or 2 less exclusives, BUT, al least there not, quarter games, buy in installment games, like KI, where they'll get you, as you'll never even suspect you've paid $100-$150, by the time they have finally released & charged you for a full title. This is the type of milking MS was planning all along, & why I won't be buying a XBoner, & why many people went from proud 360 owners, to PS4 owners this gen.

[Condemnedman]

What like drive club ?

[Condemnedman]

Here's me explaining I don't give a feck . Keep you indie games you Sony suck jobs like to claim anything as a victory . Your embarrassing lol

[diesoft]

I'm not a fanboy on any side, here, but... I don't suppose you see the irony of saying "your embarrassing", do you?

[Condemnedman]

Don't care like the rest on this site.

[diesoft]

Yeah. I didn't think so. That attitude will serve you well at McDonald's.

[mogwaii]

Indies are next generations naughty dogs ect, smart to support the up and coming with fresh ideas and talent.

[S2Killinit]

Its good for indie to be supporting the company that supports gaming, so im not suprised.

[Ghost_Nappa]

The wii u sold half the among x1s in twice the amount of time

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Who?

[horndog]

Exactly! Who? If I want indies I can have those and more on my phone or tablet. When I want the best aaa games I go xbox 1.

[xeroxbane]

I don't see why Xbox guys are bashing the game because it's indi. On Xbox 360 I use to take breaks from gears halo fable. And play some indi games.

[kewlkat007]

Lol never heard of them... There are a gazillion indie devs out there.. What makes this team special?

To some of these devs, if your game don't end up selling on whatever platform you choose, then you put yourself on a bad spot for future games..

No need to give fanboys ammo with these blogs..these indie teams need as much exposure possible and to get their games I as much hands/consoles/platforms as they can.

[Gunstar75]

Erm..... bothered?

[chaosx]

Another indie title for PS + to give away till the AAA titles start to filter through. Hope they make good money from leasing their game out.

[AnEwGuY]

I just watched the gameplay video, because I'd never heard a single thing about this "game". Now I know why...and I know I honestly don't give a f*** what platforms it comes to, because it looks boring and weak as sh*t.

[90Supra]

That parity clause strikes again...

[Skate-AK]

Makes sense.

[cyclindk]

Kerplunk - sound of X1 sinking to the bottom of denial.

[MetaReapre]

Well that is too bad but not really much of a big deal.

[PAYNEinc85]

They clearly state they wanted to keep their full team working on 1 platform and not have them spread thin. Nothing about this interview says the Xbox One isnt powerful enough to run their game. You guys have gone to a whole new level of stupidity.

[GoPanthers999]

Who? And who cares?

[pop-voxuli]

I'll let Nelson convey my feelings:

[chikane]

And i should Care why?

not every Developer has to make games for the box or ps4 or nintendo.. what makes the shit box so special that this is news. OMG Secret Ponchos is not making games for the box stop everything...

[ShiranaiJittai]

@Prime154 Thank you for that list it is incredibly helpful. Whether the information is easy to find or not is of no relevance you provided two different sources for easy comparison for the one that asked you. Bubble up and agree for you.

@4Show Though some of the points you make have merit why would you ever WANT The Fighter Within to appear or count as a game for ANY system. If that were on PS4 I would be saying the same thing (more on that in a second) so far that is this generation's Duke Nukem forever. NBA Live 14's online rarely worked and it wasn't as detailed as 2k14. Thief "didn't meet expectations and frankly wasn't half the game it could have been. Neither of those games however come close to the absolute garbage that is "The Fighter Within" If you really want it on the list of exclusives by all means add it. Me I would do everything I could to erase it from my memory.

On a separate note it is a real shame how many people give valid interesting comments yet get a ridiculous amount of disagrees. I say this as one of the biggest Playstation fan's to walk this earth. Why can't we all just get along? If you write a great comment that is valid I don't care if you "agree with my platform of choice" I will give you the kudos" Just like I don't care if you do support my platform of choice if your comment adds nothing, trolls or attacks others, tries to belittle someone I will disagree I will flag it I may block you. It never takes frequenting a gaming forum for very long to remember why I often leave them.

The PS4 is going to have more exclusive's it is just a fact. What that quantity is or what the quality of them are is a different matter. This whole debate seems to stem from the quantity. The bottomline like it or not is The Xbox one will not be as successful in Japan hence the smaller japanese developers are not going to bother with making a version for them. There are so many amazing smaller JRPGS for 360 and ALL OF THEM came out near the start of the system. They found out a long time ago that it simply isn't financially viable. It doesn't even have to do with it being an exclusive or not it just isn't worth it for them financially.

It is true that some of these "exclusives I have on my PS4 here could be better. It is equally true that some of these indie exclusives are better than some of the mainstream games "exclusive or not" I love that Indie is really taking off for consoles. As far as I am concerned Indie, Steam, and GoG brought PC gaming back from the brink (Not as far as people not playing them just in the sense of them being sold in stores, and warranting a port from developers. Not from my opinion or your's but from the developers,publishers, and stockholders of their respective companies.

Playing games is awesome. Variety of games is great. Exclusives encourage developers to not repeat the same old trick time and again. I am not telling you anything you shouldn't already know. We are just so blinded by this fanboy stuff that we can't see the forest for the trees. Just enjoy the games!
(Does not have a 360 or Xbox One but very well may get one for Sunset Overdrive as I am not upset that it isn't available on PS4 I am happy Insomniac Games gets to own their own IP for once.)

(Steps Off Soapbox)

[chikane]

One more thing why is this box story on the front page of the playstation 4 front page session

http://s17.postimg.org/o0nk...

I Take offence to this as a pure PlayStation Fan.

[ShiranaiJittai]

This is because the article is someone talking to a Secret Poncho's developer about their game which is going to be on the PC, and PS4. More than likely when they submitted the article they listed as many relevant keywords as possible to increase it's chances of appearing. It is big news for it to be an exclusive for Playstation and to get actual answers from the developer, but not enough to warrant surpassing a Halo Headline or two on the Xbox One feed, it is still there it just isn't ranked as highly there.

Not to mention the articles title is clickbait. It makes it appear as if the developer is talking crap about the Xbox One when in the article itself nothing of the sort is said.

[gigoran]

Lots of people here are saying "so what? It's just stupid indie games"

What was the name of that stupid upcoming space sim that people donated millions to and are drooling all over it? Only stupid indie games? I see...

[cyber_daemonx]

Yeah No Man's Sky lol. If that ended up a PS4 exclusive the butthurt would be incredible.

[gigoran]

Well I was talking about some other well known indie space sim... but sure.

[GundalfDeGrej]

Developing for next gen consoles is pretty darn expensive and if I had to make the same choice they had to make then I'd probably do the same thing. Not because of power but because of the bigger install base.

You just know people wouldn't be as supportive if this had been an Xbox One exclusive. "Hurr durr, I'm sure MS conviced them with their big fat check".

[CrimsonK]

Well what everyone seems to forget that we are all supposed to be gamers and indies are just as important as AAA titles because these devs are our future AAA developers we need to support them all and nurture their craft otherwise ten years from now we will be playing halo 13: chiefs epic covenant adventure or uncharted 9: same sh*t different day come on am I the only one who wants more than just sequels of the same games over and over? Whether it isn't on x1 now doesnt matter because 5 years from now they might be a Microsoft exclusive developer so quit being so closed minded people