An Xbox gamer takes the plunge and buys a PlayStation 3... then has a look at whether the fanboy attacks directed at the competing consoles have any real truth behind them.
lol both are good. Sony just needs to deliver one the 20 games I'm waiting for and all the online stuff. Even now its still a very good console though.
Microsft just came out fighting this generation and Spony knows it and it's making Sony try that much harder.
Seriously I'm waiting on about 20 games on the PS3 LOL... MGS4 being first.
i cannot agree with some of the premises noted by the author. he states the 360 has a better user interface. navigating the blades - and discount the fact the dpad is broken on the 360 controller - i have trouble finding things as they keep renaming them. there are fewer items to navigate on the 360. one can say that is easier. one can also say the amount of tweaks and setting possible on the ps3 make it a wonderful device for intermediate to advanced users.
the fact that two studios already stated that the limits of DVD9 forced games to be trimmed hardly makes bluray a tie with dvd9.
ps3 controller has been around. i like it but do not care for the shape of r2 and l2. i don't know what sony was thinking by curving those triggers back. fact. however as previously noted that 360 d pad is the worst. ps3 primary buttons are more responsive and more comfortable than 360's domed ones. 360 offset sticks feel more natural.
ps3 isn't a tie for cost with the 360. mp is a must have part of next gen games. not having it is like playing wii games with a joypad. that said by the time you add in 3 years of live service - and you should get 3 years of use from a console then the ps3 is cheaper.
There are some good points in the article, but where I see the problem is with,
The Controller -
I can't stand the 360 controller. The playstation controller feels natural to me. I don't like the feel of the Xbox triggers and I don't like the left analogue stick up where the D-Pad should be.
The Community -
Home and in-game XMB will make the PS3 superior, but for the time being XBOX 360 gets the win on this one.
Hardware Reliability -
wasn't even mentioned, but we all know whats going on there (RRoD)(Scratched Discs)
BLU-RAY -
with MGS4 taking up the entire disc and Killzone 2 which I think might take up an entire disc, I think that there will be a huge benefit to having games on blu-ray. As time goes on we will see Blu-ray games pull away from DVD games in terms of graphics and destructable environments.
Maybe the PS3 fundamentalists should read the article before blindsiding it completely like you usually do. Try arguing instead of whining for a change...
Ummm... what did that tell us that we didn't all already know? And the Joypad bit is purely down to personal choice so that is a moot point. I personaly think the PS3 pad is perfect, just as it was before, and Sony were brave to realise that if something aint broke, don't fix it. And BTW to all haters of the new L2 and R2, there are trigger thingy's available, PSW (UK) magazine gave them away ages ago, and by god what a difference they make, I too once hated L2 and R2, but now I love them :-)
I agree with a lot of what he said, but there were 3 points where I think his fact or fiction decision is wrong.
He says that the Blu-Ray making games better is fiction. Well, he's wrong. It does make games better. First of all, Metal Gear Solid 4 is a massive game that takes up 50 Gigabytes. Without Blu-Ray, everything would be more compressed. That's not a big deal, most people wouldn't even notice it. But the proof is in Oblivion, which has much faster loading times and less frequent loading pauses when you're just walking through the world of Cyradil versus the 360 version. Why? Because of data duplication. The data for the game is stored multiple times on the disc, thanks to Blu-Ray, which actually enables the data to be read more efficiently despite the overall slower read-speed of the drive. The fact is there, the PS3 version of the game is better, and Blu-Ray coupled with a hard drive in every PS3 is the reason.
Playstation 3 user interface is not as a good as the 360s? Well, I disagree there, as well. It's not a fact. I like the PS3 interface better, that's my opinion. It isn't 2+2=4... there is room for disagreement, so it's not a fact. I think it's way more attractive and easier to navigate than the 360 dashboard.
And the "FACT" that PS3 has an archaic controller design? RUBBISH. I hadn't used a Playstation controller in close to 2 years when I got my PS3. I'd been using the Xbox 360 all the way. But since I got my PS3 in November, I must say I absolutely prefer the PS3 controller. Even after a couple years without using it, it immediately felt better to me when I started using it again. It's more comfortable for me. If anything, the controller design is a PREFERENCE, there is no fact. It's not archaic. Look, if you think that the positioning of the left thumbstick is wrong on the PS3 controller, then why isn't the positioning of the right thumbstick wrong? The argument is rubbish, plain and simple. You spend basically all of your time in all of the most popular 360 games (Gears of War, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, basically all of them) with your thumb on the stick and your finger on the trigger. It's the exact same angle as you have your hand in when playing on the PS3 controller, only on the PS3 controller both hands are in that position. If it's not wrong for the right hand on 360, then it's not wrong for either hand on the PS3. This is just a pointless argument with no merit and I have no idea where people get that ridiculous idea. I like the PS3 controller better, you like the 360 controller better, neither one is archaic or objectively worse than the other.
I play 360 when I have some friends over and we're playing Halo. Everything else, I use PS3. Just seems like a better system to me. And about the interface, I hate how 360's always locks up or takes forever.
EDIT: Good point about Hardware reliability. I took good care of my 360 elite, now that I sent it away for repairs I'm only hoping I don't get back some sh1tbox. But I had already purchased two 360s for times like these.
Pkease read the article, its actually quite fair in my opinion. Especially if its coming from a 360 fanboy. Knocking it or the author just makes youse look unreasonable. But i do agree that some of the things he said as fact or fiction are not in fact, "fact or fiction" but rather opinions. But give the guy a break, he is trying to give an olive branch
He lost me when he said fiction in regard to blu-ray making gaming better. That is a very narrow minded view, if a game that could not be made on a dvd is made on blu-ray (i.e. MGS 4 ) I'd certainly say that makes for a better gaming experience. And to say that the 360 conroller being better was a matter of fact, bull... I hate the feel of the controller and am much more comfortable with the ps3 controller. It's a matter of opinion obviously. Edit:Oh and also to completely leave out the RROD issue is asinine, it's probably the biggest complaint people collectively have about the system. He tried to hide his bias but he did not succeed in my opinion.
The article basically says both systems are equal.
Three of the points PS3 won Three of the points the Xbox 360 won Three of the points were a tie
One dissagreement, the controller issue should have been a tie.
The PS3 controller buttons are more responsive and the Dpad works very well, the triggers could have been shaped better and the sticks are too close together for some, but if you were used to it on the PS2 than that should not be a big deal on the PS3.
The Xbox 360 controller has better triggers and the sticks being offset do make it slightly better for FPS's, but the Dpad is very bad and the buttons are less responsive and feel kinda odd.
They also didn't mention the relliability issues that the Xbox 360 has.
All in all I thought they were pretty fair on most issues, Much fairer than most Xbox sites are.
I agree with the "fairness" of the article and with the comparison to the controllers being a tie. I think the controllers should be chalked up to personal preference with no clear winner.
An X-Box gamer examining the Playstation is like a McDonald's junkie investigating a five-star restaurant. And what is his conclusion? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Rouble Rheese Rurger Rule!
Actually he said Blu-ray doesn't make the games better. Which is kind of the opposite.
He had to say the X-Box is technically noisier. He went on to say you don't notice it so it doesn't matter.
He insulted the Playstation controller design for being too long-lasting.
He said the graphics were the same. Even though the Playstation is a year newer, has more expensive components, and architecture painstakingly designed to work together. All in vain, since they could have used off-the-shelf parts stuck together in a box to get the same result a year earlier. But he called it a tie so he must be unbiased.
Then he divided the online aspect of the consoles into 3 separate sections and despite awarding one "tie" said the X-Box was better at at all three of them.
Then he said installs were okay because you can just pay for an HDD upgrade.
"He said the graphics were the same. Even though the Playstation is a year newer, has more expensive components, and architecture painstakingly designed to work together. All in vain, since they could have used off-the-shelf parts stuck together in a box to get the same result a year earlier. But he called it a tie so he must be unbiased. " And what does that all help when the graphics generaly DOES LOOK THE SAME??? It's all clear now, you are one of those unfortunate souls that fell for the Sony cell hype and 4d speeches and no matter what happens, you will always believe what they said.
"He insulted the Playstation controller design for being too long-lasting." Of which he is spot on. Does he need to praise every single PS3 element in order to be unbiased?
What you said: "He had to say the X-Box is technically noisier. He went on to say you don't notice it so it doesn't matter." What the article say: "Yes, the Xbox 360 is noisy, and is a lot louder than the PlayStation 3." "Depending on how loud your sound system is, you may be put off by the Xbox 360’s noise level (especially at night if family members are sleeping nearby), so PlayStation 3 wins out on that one"
Looks like you still didn't read the article. Anywho, I might as well be talking to the walls so whats the use.
Words can be used subversively. The guy who wrote the article isn't exactly a master at it.
"Can you really notice any of this during normal gameplay? Depending on how loud your sound system is, you may be put off by the Xbox 360’s noise level (especially at night if family members are sleeping nearby.)"
What's he's done here is create a ridiculous scenario where family members sleep in the same room a video game is being played. We know they don't have paper doors in their house because Japanese people don't like the X-Box.
But he's not done in that parapgraph, he has a second opinion on how noisy the and "tied" the X-Box is, he says in that section "BluRay drive is much quieter by comparison but also loads games slightly slower."
If the article writer really believed the graphics looked better and that Blu-ray ties with DVD in performance and capability he wouldn't conclude them as a tie would he? He'd point out that those cost the consumer a lot more and delayed the console by an entire year.
And to me the longer the controller lasts the better it was designed in the first place. And I'm not impressed that this X-Box controller will have to be replaced the next generation for the third time in the past 7 years. I'm not convinced that this makes it better for being newer.
But that's just me. And I don't appreciate being told I haven't read that article by the guy who thought the article admitted Blu-ray makes games better when in fact the article says you can't tell if a game is a Blu-ray or a DVD and that Blu-ray is slower also.
I own only the Playstation 3, and I found myself agreeing with everything he said. I'm going out on the limb here, but I think it's high time we all start reading past the admittedly connotative titles on this site, and give the writers of the articles a chance. The hell do i know though...
I own both as well and I thought it was a well balanced article. I didn't agree with everything he said, for me Xbox Live is a mile ahead of the competition even when you factor in the subscription, but he made an effort to justify his beliefs rather than just making inflammatory remarks. That's more than I can say for fanboys on both sides of the fence!
Dark Sniper is glad to read that this gamer has officially jumped out to Play B3yond. It looks as if he's having a dazzling time with the various features that PLAYSTATION®3 has to offer.
well at least devs have the option to fill it up with contents. MGS4 is going to use 50gb Bluray disc so will Resistance 2 and most likely FF13 even Rockstar stated that their games is not getting smaller. So for me its nice to have a 8gb game and also have the capacity to play a 50gb game.
oh my god... Sony exclusive developers claimed that they couldn't make the game without a blueray disk! Then it must be true, they would never say that to sell more ps3's to increase their chance to sell more games. No.. Never, it only means millions of dollars to them... I mean throughout gaming history (all the way back to floppy disks), as space got tight they just used multiple disks.. but i am sure its not possible anymore, why? because sony exclusive developers say so..
gotta love naivity.. this is why there is so much spam, suckers are born every minute.
I think what the author is trying to say is not that DVD is equal to Blu-ray, but that there is no difference in quality of the DVD games on Xbox vs the Blu-ray games on PS3.
Blu-Ray won't help make better games? Tell that to Kojima and MGS4.. thanks. Blu-Ray + Gaming = 7.1 surround sound.. more CONTENT, no need to swap disks. Add extra content, movies (Stranglehold) or extra game content (Bioshock / Oblivion) etc.. it's idiotic to argue against better technology.
As an owner of a 360 I dont see why (except for a game or two and bluray if a was a cinephile) I would want a PS3.
Maybe IN 2009.But in 2007 I was telling myself "maybe in 2008".
Ive always been a PS gamer untill this gen (by the way I got my 360 when the PS3 was allready out) simply because for the first time in more than a decade a gamer can have a great gaming experience without having a playstation.That wasnt the case these 2 last gens (xbox and Gcube were good but only as an "extra" console).
I mean I think alot more gamers are probably going to have only a single console (360 or PS3) simply because they are both great machines and are more than enough for one gamer.
I"ll be getting a PS3 when it hits the 250 - 300 euro price point.
But right now...I dont know , it has less "sex appeal" than the PS2 or PS1 had.
So to me the 360 is a better machine for gaming but of course thats in my opinion and others have differant opinions etc.
@dont8hdplaya : lol , yeah but I aint Pharrell lol.
You've been preaching the same gospel for as long as you've been on n4g.
Why should we expect anything else from you?
Blu-ray is NOT just for videophiles. Game developers say hello and totally rebuke that statement.
The PS3 has more "sex appeal" (as you put it) than any console I've had in my life. I see many people where I work (Electronics in Target) looking at the PS3, and seeing surprised looks upon their faces when I show them the touch-buttons, and the self-loading drive, and the shiny black exterior with the chrome trim.
They proceed to play the Heavenly Sword, DiRT, and GT demos, and they come away impressed 100% of the time.
I show them the Blu-ray function, and demo a quick video, and then I'll show them the web browser, and music and video-playing functions...and by the time I'm done showing people this, there's a crowd of around 20 people or so staring at the screen as I demo the PS3. The majority of the on-lookers are open-mouthed and saying after each feature "It can do that too? Wow."
In fact, my store has been sold out of PS3s for about a week, and there's very good reason for it.
By the time I finish explaining EVERYTHING a PS3 can do, ANYone looking to buy one feels justified in the 400 + dollar purchase, even if they weren't at first.
The 360 still sells too, but our display unit got RROD about a month and a half ago, so nobody pays attention to it. We've called Microsoft time and time again to send our rep out to our store to give us a new one, but he hasn't bothered to show.
It's exactly the same thing theMart does and has been doing, they're on some weird "don't buy a PS3 now buy one later when the price is <insert figure here>, instead 360 is needed now" viral marketing BS it's so transparent it's not funny.
Why should I spend 300$ on a console when I can use that money to upgrade my PC and still play its best exclusives(Mass Effect, Bioshock, Gears, Fable, Halo)?
Why should I pay for an online service that uses P2P networking instead of Dedicated servers which creates host advantage and keeps your connection speed at the mercy of the host?
Why should I pay for a console with such poor quality(noisy, annoying power brick, RROD, proprietary HDD)?
Why should I buy a console w/ no standard HDD and a measley 7.5gb of DVD space?
Why should I buy a console from a company that only has 4 in house devs vs Sony's 20 in house devs?
360: NG2, Gears2(pc), Banjo, Viva2, Fable2(pc), Left4Dead(pc), Alan Wake(pc), Halo Wars(pc), Halo 4?(PC), Too Human, Splinter Cell?(PC)
VS.
PS3: LBP, Resistance2, GT, God Of War, Killzone 2, FF13, FFVersus, The Agency, White Knight Chronicles, Socom, Tekken6, Motorstorm2, Siren, MGS4, Infamous, Eight Days, The Getaway, Twisted Metal, Team Ico Project, Hideo Kojima Project, R* exclusive, Disagea3, Heavy Rain, WarDevil
Can't you come up w/ anything better than that? You deserve Hillary Clinton as an avatar, not Obama.
My gaming PC will smoke a 360, but have fun w/ your PC w/ training wheels. XBOX360 is for people who aren't tech saavy enough to build their own computer(ignorant lazy americans)
PS3 is a bluray player and a gaming console out of the box while the Xbox360 is a gaming console but cant play Bluray / HDDVD movies out of the box. So i guess your right the is PS3 is not equal to the 360.
PS3 is over hyped Japanese nonsense(like soy sauce dispensing chopsticks). Its always championed as some mystical creation and not some over hyped consumer product. If my comment offended you people thats too bad.
PS3 is not as powerful as the 360 thats all that matters too me. I have a $3000 HDTV I wan't a console to take advantage of my Set.
It would bug the sh*t out of me if I owned a console that had inferior versions of titles & sub-par online services that is playing catch-up to other companies innovations.
"Xbox 360 is for people who aren't tech-savvy enough to build their own computer"
I believe you are correct on that, considering a PC can do anything a 360 can do, plus a
WHOLE
LOT
MORE
Where as with the PS3....you'll never see its games on PC, so you'd be foolish not to have one.
Oh, and about the lazy ignorant american thing....I'm American, I'm not lazy (I walk everywhere and I was going to school and work full time up until just recently), nor am I ignorant. I build PCs, I volunteer as a network admin at a local teen center, I'm a Graphic Design graduate, I scored a 95/100 on the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) in one hour and 35 minutes (time given is 3 hours), and I am 21 years old, engaged, I have a puppy who is f*cking insane, and I use Linux for my OS.
So as you can see, I do not have time to be either lazy or ignorant.
=)
I wish I did, though, so I could live with POG in his world of know-nothing bliss.
@ Below
If you paid any attention for the past 2 years approximately, the PS3 initial sales growth was and still is FASTER than the PS2 8 years ago.
The 360 adoption rate is nearly the exact same as the adoption rate of the original Xbox.
I think the masses are starting to see what I said above in my 5.5 comment thats why with GT5P, GTA4 and MGS4 all very close to eachother isn't really helping Sony as many thought it would boost Sony's standing in a major way.
Like I said in Post 5.5 not only would I be pissed many people must know by now hence why Sony can't blow past MSFT with a PS2 fanbase of 120 million.
Dude just wasted $400 bucks on PS3 its no wonder he's seeing PS3 in a different light hell even I would ignor what I'v come to know if I spent cash on that console(probably 90% of PS3 fanboy *SDF* motivation).
@5.7 Sony can't blow past MSFT with a PS2 fanbase of 120 million? Well you see 360 came a year earlier than the PS3. Before the the PS3 was launch the Xbox360 had a 10million lead now it is down to less than 5million which means the PS3 is actually selling better than the 360. And the PS2 did not achieve a 120million units sold in less than 2 yrs and if you compare the early sales of PS2 with PS3 sales today you will actually see a very similar trend. But I guess you no longer have the capacity to see things clearly. And BTW I can honestly admit that the 360 have a better gaming library at the moment and a better online service.
I'm looking forward to the AAA RaceDriver GRID I just hope the devs didn't gimp this ONE title too much. I know they said they got the PS3 version with in 1% behind the 360 version and that the reviwers will confirm it but I fear its PR spin and the *1%* is sugar coated spin and when the real comparisons come out after the retail version launches we'll see more than the PS3 version being behind by 1%.
I fear sence all of the game's versions were built from the ground up for each respective console the media outlets are doing what they did with GTA4 *pre launch* to control Sony fanboy Hysteria due to the fact the Grid engine(was designed with PS3 in mind and still fails.
Pow is angry since the 360 is not only third in both Europe and Japan, but is selling at the same rate as the ps3 in NA. Also there's really nothing for 360 this year except for gears 2, so he has to vent out his anger by spreading false claim that ps3 has no games.
I fear PS3 is holding back 360 versions of games and feel its not cool MSFT has to keep everything secret due to Sony waiting for MSFT to innovate for them.
It strange to hear Sony fanboys comparing XBL with what Sony might do in the future due to Sony boasting about implementing MSFT's online innovations. Its just strange to hear and see all these PS3 fanboys digging up what they can in the last couple of days trying to convince people PS3 is on par based on Sony boasting MSFT's ideas from this generation.
**EDIT**: #5.14 Oh thats nice... Only results from the games count. lol
Dam you rabid fanboys have mental dissorders. I only pointing out PS3 is not as powerful. When the devs cater to the lowest common denominator(PS3) things are almost fine but when the devs try to push the quality of their work/product they take advantage of the 360's offerings and are willing to end up with two different products with different quality to compete with other devs work thats all.
Also What PS3 fanboys are waiting for are basically MSFT innovations(NOT TALKING HOME THATS GOING TO FAIL ANYWAYS IF IT DOESN'T TAKE OFF IN A YEAR OR SO).
Seriously POG were you hypnotized by MS or something? Does the 360 have some sort of mind control trick. Hey maybe the RROD is the way of MS to transform gamers into blind 360 fanboys. Now I know the reason behind RROD. So people when you see three flashing red lights on your 360 NEVER EVER stare at it.
Thats quite a nice TV set for someone who doesn't have a job. How do I know you don't have a job?
1. You're on here all day, and night. Hell I don't know where you even find time to eat or sleep. 2. No one is going to hire someone where the constantly have to tell the person this is the way things are, but the person just ignores all that, and keep on doing what they've been doing without learning a thing.
Seriously dude learn to at least deal with a few facts. All this lying can't be good for you.
As Tony posted this before I'll post it again so you can ingrain it into that thick little skull of yours.
Edit: Same thing goes for Nasim or lenheart or whatever he goes by these days. Trying to say Haze is not a flop in scores with a very low metric or 6, and Ninja Gaiden 2 somehow is with it's metric score of 8, which is good by any standards. You guys work off zero logic you know that? I swear you fanboys are a special breed, and when I say special breed I mean you must have rode the short bus to school. I don't even know why I try..
oh POG before you start talking about rabid fanboys you might wana read your posts first because you are actually one of the worst rabid fanboys here at n4g. MS did contribute things for gaming specially when it comes to online gaming and community. But come on everyone copies something from someone.
he says he likes 360's "interface, multiplatform games,controller, and Xbox 360’s Community Features" more.....truth huh..............ok
the guy says I'm an Xbox fan.
and the winner at the end is Xbox 360.
An X-Box gamer examining the Playstation is like a McDonald's junkie investigating a five-star restaurant. And what is his conclusion? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Rouble Rheese Rurger Rule!
that makes SOFTWARES !
PS3 comes from a company that makes hardwares and electronics.
That's why Xbox 360 hardware failure is +33%.
The Xbox Gamer Perspective? Im sure this wont be bias...