PS3 owners won't pay for online services, says Kutaragi

Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi has stated that while the company expects to earn healthy revenues from the sale of downloadable content for the PS3, there will be no charge for basic online services.

In an interview with Japanese site PC Impress Watch, Kutaragi said: "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC."

"On the PS3, basic services will be taken for granted while content will be the bread and butter of our business."

[TheMART]

Right. And there would be:

2 x HDMI connections --> 1 x HDMI or not at all

Killzone in game material E3 2005? Yeah right Motorstorm CGI last years E3, nowhere to be seen in the last PS2 kind of demo...

Remember PS2 Toy Story debacle? The so called emotion Engine which had emotion yeah it made me cry because it wasn't there. With Cell they are promising movie kind of graphics. Yeah right Emotion Engine 2? I will cry only harder for sure

PS3 cases on E3 2006 where empty cases. Nothing ran on real final hardware

Launch Spring 2006? Summer 2006? Christmas 2006... Up till the last moment just keep the lie going and then have to delay

PS2 would also have never experienced online gameplay. Right. I never experienced something online that bad!

All lies, lies lies

PS3 online services will be free. Does that include games? Well yeah uh right. Yes they say finally. Do I believe them? NO. Maybe only free stupid arcade games are free, the rest of the big games need servers, by Sony or by game producers. Either way, they need money to support the servers. Money they are going to charge the users for sure

[andy capps]

I am done arguing with you, every single post that I see of yours is "Sony lies, Sony lies". I wish there was an ignore posts by this user button on the site.

[achira]

you are an ignorant fool. sure a ms employer.

[TheMART]

I'm giving just facts. If they're not true, please tell it. If you can only say blabla and do not discuss, don't go whining like this.

You can't because you know all I just wrote above are facts and is true

[andy capps]

You don't repeat facts, you repeat rumors from pro-MS blogs with no proof, and then say that if anyone has proof, that they have to present it and prove you wrong. Or you pounce on each and every story on this site, that has no credibility, and in the absence of proof, start saying how they're right and the "delaystation" is broken, low CPU yields, the RSX I2 TEH SUXORZ!, etc.

I've already told you that the Toy Story thing was NOT Sony, that was a MS exec who said that. The Killzone and HDMI ones I'll give you, but the others are still just rumors. The "delaystation" is not nearly as bad as the numerous Windows products that are always delayed, as with the current delay for Vista. That is the same type of delay as with the Playstation 3, and is just as inexcusable as the Sony delay (or you could just realize like most rational people that delays do happen in the technology industry and that it's to be expected).

The low CPU yields is a rumor. The online can easily be done for free. I play Half Life 2 on my PC often and have never paid for that. There's Counter Strike, Fear, Battlefield 2, etc, etc, etc. Don't be mad that you're paying for something that PC users still get for free, with the exception of most MMO's like World of Warcraft and Everquest series (which you would still have to pay additional for on Xbox live if it ever came there, in all probability). Have fun paying over $250 ($50 x 5 years = $250) to play games online, plus having to pay for "premium content" like an extra level in Oblivion, or a suit of horse armor. I'll be playing for free, with the option of paying for the extra level or the extra things that are optional.

[Bill Gates]

I think people are taking the words out of context. Sony is not labeling their services basic and not basic. They are saying that having a gaming network brings basic functionality to gaming this would be things like downloading demos and playing and that they will not charge for such things as MS does. "You can't charge money for network matching and other basic services. These things are just taken for granted on the PC" - Kutaragi

In other words. He is saying Live Gold offers basic services which we will give for free. Stop taking the word basic out of it's original context.

Also about the bad news. Most if not all of the bad "news" is FUD created by anonymous authors and MS execs implied views. Anyone can write a blog entry saying "PS3 controller melts and burns your hands", would you label that ridiculous piece of untrue information, news? Well many at webblogs and qj.net would. Be cautious reading articles like this. Blog Posters are less incline to do research and be professional before posting a bit of information. Rumors are what rule in blogs and anyone can start one of those:

"did you hear that Miyamoto sent his resume to Sony after the introduction to the Wii, Does this mean we'll see Mario on the PS3?"

Of course if you're a young gullible boy/girl you will use this rumor as a fact in an argument that Sony will destroy Nintendo as the Xbox fanboys have done everytime a RUMOR starts about the PS3. Think critically or else you just sound like a ignorant fanboy.

[Shadow Flare]

this is all i got to say

if you read my profile, you'll notice i try to be unbiased unless i see an injustice in a comment, and so many comments are posted onto here with peoples opinions fed through it as if thats whats factually makes their console great

Im a playstation gamer, but i own an xbox. There are things about xbox i really like. I think xbox live is great, and i love halo. But as far as the xbox 360 goes, i have no respect it for numerous reasons. Mainly because to me, the xbox 360 has offered me nothing new to my gaming experience, nothing new over the ps3 or even the old xbox. You can mention xbox live. But that's not new. The old xbox did it. This is my opinion of course, but i think of the xbox 360 this way:

-a system that has made no technolical leaps and has not tried to make any great strides in advancement, just so they could get on the market first, because thats how microsoft thought they would win. Microsoft played it 'safe' on how they designed their new console because they wanted to create a cheapish machine that will be on the market before the ps3. And the rashness of design is evident when the machine is not completely backwards compatible and there were people saying their machines overheated (i dont care if yours didnt). And thats why i dont respect microsoft

But as gamer, i fail to see why you have NOTHING positive to say about sony. Of course they've made their mistakes, but they've also taken the risk to endeavor to create a fantastic console that is packed with great features, software and hardware. But you never have ANYTHING good to say about sony. I've always held a few good points for microsoft, like live because i know its good. But you are the epitomy of a fanboy, who is just too blind to see a company that tries to make advancements in the industry. Open your eyes

Microsoft to me is just a conglomerate with tons of money, and what do they make? A weak upgrade of the old xbox, and that's truth. It's no where near as creative and new as the ps3 or wii

Sony have always made quality products, products that i and millions of others love. Sony tries to push the boundaries, even when it might destroy their company. Microsoft just sits there with tons of money and produces a really inferior console in terms of advancement and creativity to ps3 and wii.

That's why im a playstation gamer

[Jay da 2KBalla]

""""" """""& quot;""if you read my profile, you'll notice i try to be unbiased unless i see an injustice in a comment, and so many comments are posted onto here with peoples opinions fed through it as if thats whats factually makes their console great""""& quot;""""&q uot;""

BS- you have said so much biased sh*t it isnt even funny.

""""" ;""""" Im a playstation gamer, but i own an xbox. There are things about xbox i really like. I think xbox live is great, and i love halo. But as far as the xbox 360 goes, i have no respect it for numerous reasons. Mainly because to me, the xbox 360 has offered me nothing new to my gaming experience, nothing new over the ps3 or even the old xbox. You can mention xbox live. But that's not new. The old xbox did it. This is my opinion of course, but i think of the xbox 360 this way:

-a system that has made no technolical leaps and has not tried to make any great strides in advancement, just so they could get on the market first, because thats how microsoft thought they would win. Microsoft played it 'safe' on how they designed their new console because they wanted to create a cheapish machine that will be on the market before the ps3. And the rashness of design is evident when the machine is not completely backwards compatible and there were people saying their machines overheated (i dont care if yours didnt). And thats why i dont respect microsoft"""&qu ot;""""&quo t;""""" ;"""

First of all you are a dumbass and you have no clue about what you are saying. Yes that is your opinio but as you would call it that was a complete "unjustice". Xbox titles arent fully back compat because the xbox used an intel cpu and the 360 uses an ibm processor. IBM is a competitor with intel. THIS and this alone is the reason why. So get you r facts straight fanboy. The only reason microsoft changed companies is because they lost too much money with intel who would not allow them to own the ip to the technology thus the increases loss of money on ever console sold dumbass.

""""" """""& quot;"But as gamer, i fail to see why you have NOTHING positive to say about sony. Of course they've made their mistakes, but they've also taken the risk to endeavor to create a fantastic console that is packed with great features, software and hardware. But you never have ANYTHING good to say about sony. I've always held a few good points for microsoft, like live because i know its good. But you are the epitomy of a fanboy, who is just too blind to see a company that tries to make advancements in the industry. Open your eyes """"" """""& quot;""""&q uot;""""&qu ot;"

Live is completely improved and you are just a sony fanboy because anyone that has played live on 360 will tell u. I dont have anything good to say about sony because they lie to consumers, fake video game footage, they are arrogant, they force unproven hardware on consumers, and they copy sh*t from their competitors after they say bs about it.

""""" ;""""" """"Microso ft to me is just a conglomerate with tons of money, and what do they make? A weak upgrade of the old xbox, and that's truth. It's no where near as creative and new as the ps3 or wii""""&qu ot;""""&quo t;""

No thats not the truth that is your sony fanboy BS and ps3 isnt creative at all. Copying isnt creative. An inferior console, dont make me laugh. Why do games look better on 360 then hmmmmmmm. And if i recall ps2 was the weakest console of the last gen so STFU fanboy. If 360 was launching this year with last yers launch titles then all the launch games on 360 would blow ps3 away and thats the truth.

""""" """""& quot;""""&q uot;Sony have always made quality products, products that i and millions of others love. Sony tries to push the boundaries, even when it might destroy their company. Microsoft just sits there with tons of money and produces a really inferior console in terms of advancement and creativity to ps3 and wii. """"" """""& quot;""""&q uot;""""

That is your opinion and considering 360 games loook better than ps3 ones I will pass. And you want to talk about a quality product that millions love lets talk about the 300 million plus peolpe around the world with windows.

""""" ;""""" "That's why im a playstation gamer """"" """

Lol. A sony fanboy is what you are. A gamer of any kind is open minded about all consoles unlike u.

PS- please name some of this so called creativity from ps3.

[Shadow Flare]

You said: "please name some of this so called creativity from ps3"

I say: Dont ask questions you cant answer yourself. But i'll name you a few anyway.

-Pre-installed blu-ray drive. I know you will have some bad points to bring up about the blu-ray drive, but its tecnologically better than a dvd drive and a HD-DVD drive in every way, shape and form.

The ps3 has a blu-ray player
The Xbox 360 has a dvd player
End of story

-Development of the cell chip. Again, i know you are eeking to put the cell down, but it was designed by sony and others on the design architecture of supercomputers, soley to be a freakin powerful chip. And sony are using it in the ps3. What...does...the...360...have

-Seamlessly intergrating the psp with the ps3. That's cool. There's alot of potential with that, and if you dis this point, then u truely are an absolute moron. I cant see anything thats bad about this idea.

-Free online gameplay. PC's do it. Why cant PS3? Why do you have to pay online for the xbox? Why is microsoft taking more of your money when they don't need it?

Granted sony have taken a few ideas from other companies, but if its in aid of making the ps3 better, then im not complaining

Now im going to try to not be anti-microsoft here but, please name some of this so called creativity from 360.

-Xbox live...NO. The old xbox did xbox live and although the 360 has improvements to Live, the old xbox could have done the improvements aswell. Its not new, its not creative, and i wish you'd stop bringing it up, as if it was the only good thing about xbox...oh wait

-The console has an improved look. Yeah i like the new look of the console. Trying to think of more creative things...

-DVD-player, uh no wait

-Controller which does the same old thing...nope not that either

-Xbox live, oh wait i explained that one.

Well im all out
I love your comment here: "And you want to talk about a quality product that millions love lets talk about the 300 million plus peolpe around the world with windows"

Let me rephrase that correctly for you...

"And you want to talk about a quality product that millions love lets talk about the 300 million plus peolpe around the world THAT WERE FORCED INTO BUYING windows. I am an idiot"

Thirdly, you're point that i have made completely biased comments myself.

Did you read my profile? I said i try to be unbiased UNLESS i see an injustice in a comment. So many of you make such seriously anti-sony comments that i just turn completely pro-sony and defend the console i prefer. Being unbiased to some of you guys doesn't help anyway, because you will NEVER see anything good that sony does. Would you be using CD's if it wasn't for sony? mmm...

About you saying: "And if i recall ps2 was the weakest console of the last gen so STFU fanboy"

The ps2 was the weakest console MARGINALLY. If the cell is as powerful as it was designed to be, in a few years time, the power of it will blow the 360 away. And i know you dont believe that. I dont care :)
Boxy, i love the way you kept quoting my comment, but if you're gonna reply to it, make it a good reply, not just you ranting on about, "Uh Sony lies, Xbox 360 has better graphics uh im a freakin idiot duh"

I think i'll use this oppertunity to quote your fantastic comment:

"First of all" "I dont have anything good to say" "and you have no clue" "How much" "of" "a dumbass" "i am" ",and that's truth"

Box i love the way you're the NO.1 comment guy on this site. Way to go! Get a life! You so prove the point i made in comment 16.3 in the following article:
http://www.news4gamers.com/...
lol

And in another article, you said to me, "you always come back on my comments. Watch how i take you down on everything you say"

Try me

[Shadow Flare]

-BEWARE-

The following reply may contain scenes of fanboyism, stupidity and reliance on rumours.

Readers discretion is advised as xbox ballers fanboyism may be contagious.

-Remember to view and make comments with a fair and logical mind, and dont try to become the top comment guy, which im sure xbox baller is VERY proud of-

-Thank you for your attention-

[jiggajayp]

Please, notice how he hasn`t said free online gameplay, multiplayer services!! Fony sucks!

[MoonDust]

If it's free it won't be good. Hopefully it is. :(

[Schmitty07]

Well if you go back to the E3 press conference they show the free "basic services" on a slide, and multiplayer is no where to be found.

I won't believe it till I see it.

[Krimson]

"According to Kutaragi, the PS3 will make use of network services "from launch day", and consumers will embrace the idea of digitally delivered content within one to two years."

Also, the online-multiplayer will be "free" because Sony is not providing gameplay servers, and leaving this up to the game producers.

[TheMART]

So it's the same old sh*t that we've got with the PS2 which killed my online dream

[shotty]

Online cost way too much money to start up. It cost MS a couple billion to get that up.

[PS360PCROCKS]

blah this guy's a lying idiot

[Gamer13]

Sony needs to confirm free online gameplay multi player services, then we can say wow.

But if the price for the online is cheap ill get it.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Like 50 dollars cheap like Microsoft, that's fricking cheap...it's what $4 a month like a dollar a week lol

[andy capps]

$50/per year x 5 years (average life of a console) = $250.00. That is $250.00 that PC gamers and PS3 gamers will not have to spend to play online. That is also $250 in addition to the monthly charge that you already have to pay for your cable modem/dsl/T1 etc. Then, if you want to use wireless internet you have to buy a $100 wireless adapter.

Sounds like a good deal to me....

[OutLaw]

This guy gives me a headache. Everytime I turn he keeps coming up with some lame news. Next they're probably going to change the PS3 name to the Kutaragi system.

[Bill Gates]

You're just a racist who can't see past his ignorance.

[FreeMonk]

Basic package = Live! Silver

That basic package will allow you to download demo's, trailer etc but not to play your games online I bet.

It cost millions of pounds to maintain, run and update X-Box Live, hence why we get charged. Sony are going to throw millions of pounds a year to offer FREE online gaming. Somehow I can't see that happening, but I will be very surprised if I do!

[mikeeno7]

i will only believe this monster of a man when i am sat down on my chair, with my PS3 on my desk, playing online. Up until this point, i will not be having any of it, i just don't know when this guy is telling me the truth.

[USMChardcharger]

he mentions that within two years he believes that all games will be delivered over the internet.
so, i guess he is saying in two years blue ray will be just for movies and not for games.

[FamoAmo]

That was funny #13!!! Your right though!! lol...

[Patrick]

According to Kutaragi, the PS3 will make use of network services "from launch day", and consumers will embrace the idea of digitally delivered content within one to two years.(Content, doesnt have to mean entire games, can mean game upgrades,demos, movie trailers, and maybe certain older games) Eventually (can be a long time) optical drives will be obsolete, he believes - as indeed might hard drives.

[Lucidmantra]

He's Gloming onto the same thing Bill Gates said a couple of years ago about the 360. And I think we need vastly larger HDD to store games, hell I own 24 games for my 360 already and at even 4 GB a piece that is already about 80 GB for those alone not to mention caching space, XBL Arcade games. I would love to download games, but it would kill used game trading because it is your right to sell you license to a game (via the packaging and media) to recoup some money. This would be null and void because I am sure it would be hard to trade games with downloads.

[achira]

hahaaa the xbox user get crazzy. you are so envy... hahahaaa

[TheMART]

Uhm envy on what exact?

THERE'S STILL NO REAL PS3 HARDWARE ON THE MARKET

And 360 is already in the next gen area

Envy on that clown of Sony. Oh yeah he's funny you're right MS doesn't have such a clown I'm envy!!!

[Bill Gates]

Quit it with the hate already. You sound so P A T H E T I C. If you can't afford it, just move on with your life. Dude you're such an idiot. Sony doesn't owe you jack SH!T get off their nuts already. So what we're Sony fanboys who are blind, stupid,can't get passed Sony's "lies". get over it.

[JIN KAZAMA]

Its so funny, all the pathetic loser 360 fans are so into the ps3. Even more hardcore than the real fans of the ps3. If you guys are so happy with your crapbox, then you shouldnt even be here. Just admit it people, you are very very jealous and insecure that you bought the wrong piece of hardware. Free Online lpay baby, FREE. You guys got shafted with the 360.

[OutLaw]

You start of by saying pathetic loser 360 fan and a few of us here who wrote negatives are still considering to buy a PS3. We will see how free is the PS3 online will be, since Sony loves changing their mind so much. So enough with the child calling alright and wait to see what happens first.

[PS360PCROCKS]

huh? we scared we brought the wrong system, were commenting that it won't be free but believe what u want moron, it will cost you'll see, Sony's cheap you think their going to pay for you to pay online games? PALEASE

[TheMART]

At least we bought a piece of good hardware with an online service that has run already 4 years now.

You are still waiting on a faulty system with bad yield on CPU as well as CPU, delaystationed from Beginnen 2006 till end 2006 with hardware that is old by that time. Which build with no former online knowledge. Oh yeah that crappy PS2 emotion engine that didn't work only emotion is that all fans cried out loud

[andy capps]

As mentioned in my previous post, you are repeating a rumor about bad CPU yields, it was delayed ONE TIME from Spring 2006 to November 17, 2006; and the hardware will not be old in November. The RSX is still apparently blowing away a 7900 GTX in SLI, the cell is running rings around any processor that they've tested it against. The Mt. St. Helens realtime flyover at 30 fps being rendered in real-time was especially impressive, considering a top of the line Mac G5 was chugging at 4-5 fps. There are numerous other tech articles that have been written about it, I suggest you read up on it before you knock a processor that the military is looking at using for various applications and that the scientific community is going nuts over.

[PS360PCROCKS]

it's ok mart they think Sony is god and that they will be playing videogames just by thinking what they want to happen on the screen, they'll see what their getting in 6 months if their lucky...that is if it isn't DELAYED again

[Patrick]

What happen? Did it freeze up? Need a break from the Noise or heat. Or Just tired of current generation and want a glimps of REAL Next generation! Its ok, the heat from your 360 will dry those eyes, and possibly burn down your house. But hey, go have fun...well try to anyway.

[kingboy]

say what u wanna say...i`m sorry it`s free online for gaming .

[TheMART]

So quote please where Sony or this guy says that exact. You can't because they don't say that. Because they keep lying

[Grown Folks Talk]

notice how on the picture to the side of the article there is no box for gameplay? and the only thing on the list you can't do on xbox live silver is video chat.

[slugg]

The entire game industry is holding its breath and rooting for Sony to pull off what they are saying the PS3 can. Also, lots of movie studios, burned by UMD, are holding THEIR breath that Blu-ray pans out. Sony has a lot to lose, and so does everyone who plays games and loves movies, if the PS3 "fails." I doubt that the PS3 will fail in the classic sense, but have they put their chances of leading hardware sales in the next generation in jeopardy? You betcha. Look at the polls from Japan. It used to be that all Japanese gamers were waiting for and wanting a PS3. Now it is the Wii that most Japanese gamers are saying they want the most. Sony HAS lied over and over, and it's not just Xbox fanboys who are noticing, because I don't think that there are many of them in Japan! LOL! But the fact of the matter is, PS3 gameplay online will not be free. It will be up to the game publisher if they want to charge for it, etc., just like with the PS2. I live in Washington State, and M$ is building a new server farm in Quincy, WA, located right in the middle of the state. Why not over in Redmond where M$ is headquartered? The price of building construction and the cost of electricity is far less in central Wa., (Grand Coulee Dam) that's why. The server farm, for xbox live and msn, is expected to use half a million in electricity EVERY MONTH. On Sony's side, who is paying for this?

[THAMMER1]

Most of the kids who post pro Sony here do not really realize how detailed production, distribution, and cost of the services offered for online gaming are. I realize that most of the Sony fan base still probably believes that Santa clause is real too. So it would not be hard to deceive them, and as you can see it is working and Sony is happy with that. I talked to some kids who have never played a 360 anywhere or seen one but they are convinced that it will blow up. Why do they believe this? Because the people from age 16-30 who are Xbox haters are lying to them. “Leis” is not fair right. So you know what I did I invited all 10 of them to my home to play 360. We played for about 5 hours and they had a blast man. I also use a HD projector instead of a HD TV. So that really blew them away. I am 24 years old, games consoles are made for families and kids to enjoy. All the lies take away from that, the kids do not care about a console war they care about having fun. None of those kids knew about processors or Blue Ray more did they care. But one of the older kids asked how much did the PS3 cost I told him $500.00 - $600.00 his jaw dropped. I told him the price of a 360 at $300.00 - $400.00 and he asked why the PS3 cost more. I could not find a way to explain to him that Sony could offer the PS3 at the same cost of the 360 if there was not BR drive. So I just told him Sony is having some small problems that we hope will get worked out. See I could have said Sony is trying to rip you off for the sake of winning a HD DVD format war but I did not Because I am a gamer not a fan boy. You fan boys are Idol worshipers.

[Grown Folks Talk]

that keeps seeing sony contradict themselves? 1. hdmi is required for the best possible hd signal. it's superior to other hd connections./ you won't be able to tell the difference between the $600 hdmi version and the $500 component unless you have a "ginormous tv". so your telling me hdmi is not the advantage you're charging me for. 2. blu-ray gives developers a true hd platform, and will allow for huge worlds and gameplay possibilities./ digital distribution will overtake physical formats in the near future, and we might not even need hard drives. so the blu-ray you want me to pay for will be null & void in a few years. 3. 2 skus confuses the consumer (in other words, we're too stupid to distinguish between the versions in sony's mind). all ps3 will ship with a standard hard drive with bigger sizes available./ $500 "core" unit, $600 "pro" unit. so did 2 skus all of a sudden become unconfusing, or are people smarter than sony originally gave credit for? in my opinion, sony continues to shoot down all of the features they touted as why their system is going to be better than all else. why they expect people to pay $100 to $300 more for their product. if i can't tell the difference between hdmi and component on my 17" lcd monitor, then why do i need it? if digital distribution is coming soon, why do i need blu-ray for games? maybe microsoft thought of these things already, and they feel they will reach the digital distribution phase sooner than sony. why is it that a system which has been from conception, in production for about the same time as the 360 taking so long to reach store shelves?

[Marriot VP]

Sony themselves won't charge you, it's not up to them since they don't make the games online infrastructure. They can say that all they want because it's good PR, and when prices do come out it won't be them giving them it'll be the games for online multiplayer.

They've said if online multiplayer games demand a price then they will get it. They can say it's free all they want but their service is still the same as free xbox live silver. And trust me you have no idea how costly and hard it is to run a good online service, ohh yes you will pay.

you will all pay, lol

[Phytonadione]

All that time I spent playing Counter Strike online for free, I was thinking to myself "Damn, this sucks!" :)

[Marriot VP]

phyton what's your point. I mean, CS to me just sucks big ones. Hover around levels and shoot, no depth and dynamics.

[Phytonadione]

Are you saying Halo sucks too? More team dynamics (depth) in CS. Just my opinion. Honestly, I'm not the biggest FPS fan, but its fun to play to past the time.

[ps3willrule]

ok let me make some valid facts and not 1 sided 360 fanboys facts...
ps2 sold over 100 million units and today still sells more than the 360 don't beleive me look at gamespot and check out the sales charts....hell GAMECUBE sold more units then 360 did in their launch month and do u kno y ....JAPAN yes they have a huge market over there that little island has a huge factor and 360 just don't sell there...ps2 is still selling out the 360 in games and systems and heres another little quick fact for ya 360 fanboys xbox was A LOSS!!!! it never made an income for microsft type that into ur google and u'll find out they lost millions with it!!! and they will with the 360...don't beleive me hell then y r u guys on here complaining about ps3 shouldn't u be playing....o wait no games coming out that are good for the next 4 months....u guyz are pathetic u talk about delays look at doa4 that was a critical title for japn but they delayed it but in the end no one bought a 360 over there....when u look at the numbers 360 only has shilped 10 million and only has sold 3.....wtf do u think ppl are waitin for??? sony owns 75% of the gaming market and u people ae the ones that said MS would win last generation....pathetic
o and sonys online heres an accruate trutful fact SOCOM HAS MORE PEOPLE ONLINE then any xbox game and all xbox games combined they have roughly 35000 people on daily and with each socom game....o and killzone u know why it wasn't at E3??? think about it....killzone, resident evil 5 and devil may cry are going to be playable at tgs.....to give further hype to the ps3 b 4 its out....they want u to think like that don't b so nieve like o killzone nothing at E3...what u think sony bought gurella and are just abandoning the game..its going to b at tgs... but w/e u guyz are impossible u guyz make the stupidist points from ur own oppinoin and not facts because if u look at facts u'll c that 360 is not selling as good as there making it out to b..but that is peter morre job is...and last point out of many more to come DO U KNOW WHO PETER MORRE IS....ur holy grail of microsoft marketing is the one that lead SEGA in to the poop hole...honelty 360 fans shouldn't state negaitive sony facts cause every one for sony there is 10 for MS.

[OutLaw]

Well Fnck Japan I don't live there and before you start with that Fanboy Sh!t look at you. You dreamer, with a name like PS3WillRule. Tell me on what facts you base your logic on? I'm not a fanboy, But I do own a 360. Also I would like to buy (because I could afford one) a PS3. But after hearing your logic, it kind of change the outlook on things. It's people like you who causes Sony to fail.

[Patrick]

Dont give us this crap about "I was going to buy a PS3 but you just changed my mind, cause I am just that stupid that one person can talk me out of a system, DUHHHHH"

Get real here, You are scared that PS3 will hurt Xbox just like PS2 did. And your fear is right. Oh and if you cant afford it? its ok, you dont have to act here. Just put it on lay away and pay it off a little per month. As smart as you sound, I bet you could pay it off in 12 months or so. Just save. Oh hey, if you get a bucket you can stand at intersections and beg for money to buy one, I bet people will feel sorry for you. I do. lol

[Lucidmantra]

Thus Peter Moore is the marketing ... Bill Gates is the richest guy in THE WORLD!!!! I don't think he got there by being stupid. Wheres the nearest Japanesse guy to him on the list? Anyways enough of the USA vs. Japan thing.

Also, just so you know yes the PS2 outpaced the Dreamcast but lets see what the Dreamcast did, hmmm first console with a internet browser, first online console, hmmm what else, yeah a console that ran a OS, also... Ironically some of the graphics in DOA 2 and Shenmue are better than most of the crap that happened on the PS2. The problem with the DC was that Sega AMerica screwed up and the PS2 did kill it with hype, then the hackers trashed all sales for games by haXX0rzing it. But can your PS2 emmulate anything? DC can emmulate, also every old console. Hmmm. Sega was screwed by a weak console in the Saturn (even though I loved Saturn also it was a weak console...with some stellar games lost in there) they were strapped and when the DC didn't catch on that fast they had no recourse but to fold.

[OutLaw]

Who the hell you think your talking to? I have so much money I probably could buy you and your lame ass friends a PS3. So you need to shut the Fnck up you [email protected] Fanboy. You come here at this forum and said nothing about the system and attack me for no reason. I live here in New York where we make money farm boy. So next time know what you speak of before posting. I buy stuff that's worth more than your whole year salary. So maybe that pan handling sh!t you brought up is your life experience. If you want more, than maybe I could send you money for your system. Just give me your address and I would personally deliver it.

Also for your records I post this topic here idiot.

[Phytonadione]

"Well, if it's gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my d!ck in the mash potatos" -Beastie Boys

No really, if it's about who's rich, I proclaim myself wealthiest person on this site. I will challenge all new-comers. I will of course need your bank account number and routing information in order to verify your status.....

[OutLaw]

Ofcourse I'll give you my Bank account info. LOL. But on a serious tip. I do love all systems. If I had my way Sony will succeed with flying colors. It would be boring to not have it that way. But this guy Patrick comes out his face and not get what I'm trying to say. Then insult me for no reason. I understand that there are xbox fans and Sony fans. But people that are in the middle can't say anything about either side without being attack. That's all I was saying in the beginning. Then after people just started to attack me for saying a few opinions on the PS3. I do believe that Sony is messing up. But it doesn't mean that I hate them. I even put this topic on the site. If I was a fan of only the 360. That will be the only news I post.

[Phytonadione]

No need to convince me. I've read most of your posts and I believe I actually had an intelligent "discussion" with you, though I can't remeber about what, and you seem to be pretty level-headed. Too bad I can't say the same for the rest of the lot.

[Patrick]

You attacked one person and Japan and I jumped your rear for it. You also said that one person changed your mind about PS3 and a PS fan wouldnt have said that. I dont care if you made this entire website. You dont like being talked down to then dont talk down to everyone else. So far I have seen you attack several people. Maybe I will just watch and see. No one cares where you live. PS3 online will rule.