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Dreamfall Dev: Sony Team Is Proactive, Microsoft Is Not

Ragnar Tørnquist, creator of Dreamfall and The Secret World, explains that the Sony team has been great with them, contrarily to Microsoft.

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Concertoine4063d ago

Ouch. MS needs to improve relations with developers, the last thing they need is bad press from someone other than themselves.
Im being harsh, but i should mention that they are doing better lately.

Gazondaily4063d ago

"Unfortunately the same can’t be said for @ID_Xbox. We’ve been having a really difficult time getting any response from @Microsoft."

Get your act together Microsoft. Actions speak louder than words. Sentiments like this simply should not exist if you keep touting how you are now supporting indies.

maniacmayhem4063d ago

It seems to me that for every dev that does praise the ID_Xbox and changes made we get one that doesn't.

Lets be honest here, MS can't get back to every single dev in the world, some will slip through the cracks. And for these little devs to tweet some inconsistencies between companies and especially MS is not only unprofessional but it seems to be the popular thing to do.

NewMonday4063d ago

hope Sony is "proactive" enough to bring over Yakuza Ishin

Anon19744063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

That's been our experience as well getting setup with the @ID_Xbox program. Sony contacted us almost immediately after we filled out our initial applications and our manager walked us through all the forms necessary to become a registered developer. The communication was great and they were very hands on to get us setup and I don't think I ever had to wait more than a few hours for a response when I've had any questions thus far.

Contrast this to the @ID_Xbox program, we filled out the initial application for developer status back when it was first launched. Nothing happened for two months. Then we received a form letter inviting us to some event in Chicago. This was the first communication we had and we still had no idea if we were accepted into the program or anything about it. In the months following all we've ever received have been the monthly newsletters (usually starting with an apology from MS that processing applications is taking so long) and invites to events in other countries. I asked the rep on Twitter (as my emails were never returned) and they said if we're seeing the newsletters, we're in but probably still being processed. That's it. No details about the program, no personal contact. Nothing.

It's actually nice to hear that it's not just happening to us. You can say "Well, probably lots of people are applying," but I'm sure they're applying to Sony as well, and Sony seems to be handling it. There's no excuse for MS not to be as well. If MS was serious about working with indie developers, they'd be putting resources behind building relationships with them and getting tools into their hands as soon as possible.

Nothing's going to change unless developers speak out about this. Kudos to these guys for adding their voices to other developers who've expressed similar frustrations. They only way MS is going to change is if developers make their voices heard.

I mean honestly, what are they supposed to do? Continue sending emails that go unanswered? Like Cog said below, the squeakiest wheel gets the grease. If you're too "professional" to make any noise, don't be surprised when you continue to be ignored. I can't believe there's Microsoft defenders here acting like the developer themselves is somehow to blame in all of this. Just unreal.

Could you imagine if each day you went into your bank with your business, and the bank teller just ignored you day in, day out when you're just trying to get your job done, and then someone has the audacity to tell you that actually YOU'RE to blame, not the bank or the bank teller. I'm sure they're very busy, or maybe you're annoying to them. Don't make any noise to attract attention, just be quiet and get nothing done. Unreal...

redwin4063d ago

It seems to me that if MS rejects a developer or if MS is not jumping hoops for them them MS is evil. MS has said that they don't want to clutter Xbox market place with every game available! Just the best they can get. I commend them for that. Remember, 35% of steam games haven't been played . If there is a game that I want and MS doesn't have it then I'll get it from PSN. But this guy seems very unprofessional, you don't trash someone else's business in the net like that.

Anon19744063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

@redwin. Microsoft still has the ultimate say on what's released on XBL and what's not. If they want to reject a game due to quality concerns, they're well withing their rights to do so. Good developer relations is another thing entirely. Nobody said anything about devs being "rejected".

Given the fact that Microsoft were starting every single ID@Xbox newsletter with "Sorry application processing is taking so long" it's not about developers being rejected, it's about MS not dedicating the resources to making sure developers are registered and given the chance to start working on making games for the Xbox One in a reasonable time frame.

I don't see how you could construe what he did as "trashing" MS. He said they had good support from Sony and they've had a hard time getting a response from Microsoft. Oh snap! Oh no, you didn't just say MS wasn't responding to your emails! That's such trash talk! /s

This is a simple statement of fact for them. Sony's been good, MS won't respond to them. There was nothing inflammatory said (unless you think comparing levels of support between two competing company's as inflammatory), there was nothing derogatory said, it was just a simple statement. I can't get over how many on here are acting like this guy "went off" over his twitter account against MS. Enough with the rhetoric. He did no such thing.

frostypants4063d ago

@Redwin, how can MS know what the best games available are if they can't even get developers beyond the initial application process?

SilentNegotiator4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

@maniac
"It seems to me that for every dev that does praise the ID_Xbox and changes made we get two that have something bad to say about it"
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Fixed. It's not 1:1 good and bad reception and you know it.

"And for these little devs to tweet some inconsistencies between companies and especially MS is not only unprofessional but it seems to be the popular thing to do"
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Could you be ANY bigger of a fanboy? You're seriously saying developers that call out MS for bad policies are "unprofessional"? And why would bashing a potential business partner be the "popular thing to do"? Are you seriously so out of touch that you think that developers are bashing the second fastest growing 8th gen console manufacturer for PUBLICITY?

redwin4063d ago

So, you are selling a product to different stores and you publicly state that one store is proactive and the competitor is not that's why you are not selling your product there. Sounds to me like bad etiquette. Its possible that MS has resources allocated in different areas and they are doing what they can

air14063d ago

We'll lets be fair though.. Ms can't get to every dev. Respawn didn't get much response or help from sony either that doesn't mean they are bad, they probably just had there eyes on something that they thought would be better.

jessupj4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Oh maniac, you try to act intelligent by having good sentence structure, but you're so bias and so out of touch with reality it's just not funny any more.

Lets be honest here. Considering how we're all reminded on this site most days about how much money MS has, maybe they could use that money to actually invest into games. Yes?

Since they've been telling us how their for the gamer now and they investing heavily into games I would have thought we wouldn't be seeing these kinds of complaints from DEVELOPERS. (not fanboys with an agenda, but developers who's lively hoods depends on good relations)

It seems MS is just focusing on the things they deem "important" and that will garner more good will with gamers and forgetting about the rest.

This is why I support sony so much. Because they genuinely push the industry forward. They don't need to be so supportive and accommodating of the little guys for their current success, but they do.

The MS apologists on this thread sadden me. It's truly mind boggling how anyone can defend this.

UltraNova4062d ago

@air1

'Ms can't get to every dev.'

It looks to me that its the developers that go to MS and get ignored while Sony doesn't and if memory serves me its Sony that reduced their personnel by 50% the last 3 years and not MS. Whats MS's excuse? I believe this is just another case of being taken granted by MS.

'Respawn didn't get much response or help from sony either that doesn't mean they are bad, they probably just had there eyes on something that they thought would be better.'

The whole Respawn-Titanfall-Sony thing is so fishy I can smell it form here. I dont get how being under the helm of EA, and their bank accounts, and still need help works...We dont know what truly happened and I dont buy for a minute the assumption of Sony passing on such an opportunity (Titanfall)when everybody praises them for their fast and proactive support.

Open your eyes people, they talk so much nowadays we just need to read between the lines.

Azzanation4062d ago (Edited 4062d ago )

Where do you think Indies came from? It all started at MS (MS DOS/Windows) Xbox is fine and doesn't need Indies, that's what PCs are for. Don't forget Live was doing this way before Sony were.

Also note Sony looked pass Respawn so no company is perfect. But honestly who cares. Indies can make games on PC if they cant cut it into Consoles. If there successful then they cross over. Like Outlast.

I can tell you one thing. I didn't buy a next gen console so I can play Indie games.

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Charybdis4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Strange I was hearing positive sounds about @ID_xbox.Here is an example were to respond to a tweet of an indie dev offering their help to get their game on xb1.
http://www.reddit.com/r/xbo...

Obviously Microsoft is at fault not giving dreamfall guys an hand hope they will improve their program and invite them to their program.

Concertoine4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

I'm sure most devs are pleased with it, they're just the silent majority. But it's their job to take care of the whiners because that's all people will hear.

tgunzz4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

This is no different from respawns article about bringing titan fall to ps4... Good example to compare bias, or unbias..... Capybara who is working on below for xbox one has high praise for ms support of their indie game, but where is that article???

xx4xx4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

The positive stories about XBOX don't get page views, silly.

Christopher4063d ago

Eh. Not everyone is going to get the same level of support. And, the best way to get support is sometimes to go on Twitter and make a big deal out of it. I'm sure Microsoft will be giving them the best of support now.

maniacmayhem4063d ago

I disagree, I think that is the last thing any company who wants to be professional should do.

We have seen a lot of companies and especially people go to Twitter and it backfire because they didn't get the whole story or fully understand the situation.

Christopher4063d ago

maniac, I don't think it's the right thing either, but that's the reality of business (not everyone gets the same level of support all the time) and social media (squeakiest wheel gets the oil).

maniacmayhem4063d ago

I agree that not everyone gets the same level of support. That is the nature of the beast and it sux, but taking it to social media won't make those wheels turn any faster. Only that paper green seems to move that machine faster.

A business like this should try their best to make this game as fun and popular as possible and put it out only for the PS4. If it becomes a success then go to the media with those facts. I'm sure MS will take notice then.

DragonKnight4063d ago

@maniac: Twitter is partly responsible for MS removing their draconian DRM schemes from the XB1. Making a noise affects PR which translates into dollars.

maniacmayhem4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

@Dragon

Twitter is also greatly responsible for many of people losing their jobs.

There's a difference between public and fan outcry of a product and a person crying on Twitter. Especially since we don't know the full story on either side.

ShwankyShpanky4063d ago

"We have seen a lot of companies and especially people go to Twitter and it backfire because they didn't get the whole story or fully understand the situation."

"Deal with it."

Gazondaily4063d ago

lol @ squeakiest wheel gets the oil. Gonna jack that quote.

Hit the nail on the head mind you.

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karamsoul4063d ago

Microsoft needs a culture change, and fast.

HugoDrax4063d ago

The value of the corporation says otherwise.

http://www.forbes.com/compa...

They don't need to change anything if they're still making money, hand over fist.

"IF IT DONT MAKE DOLLARS, THEN IT DONT MAKE SENSE"

Magicite4063d ago

Developers are the main pillars of gaming.

randomass1714063d ago

Microsoft has definitely been slow to appease developers lately. Something they really should work on. Nintendo too. Sony's the only one of the big three that really played their cards right with devs this generation.

corvusmd4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

This is almost as bad as how Sony treated Respawn. Its tough to keep up with all these indie devs coming out of the woodworks. I'm sure some amazing games will come out of this and some will slip through the cracks. However, when you start treating AAA Developers like this...then it's a real issue. I'm sure MS would love to give every indie dev in the world their full undivided attention if they could...it's not really feasible. But somehow everytime one of them says something negative about MS it becomes headline news here. Just keep it fair people.

Indie Devs are great, but at the same time...think of them as like new rockstars signing their first major deal. Their heart and soul is REALLY into the project, which is great, but also makes them overly sensitive when it isn't treated like the best thing in the world...understandable, but simply not returning a phone call at this stage could be the difference between getting called "proactive" and "non-responsive". I've worked around enough new "rockstars" (and old ones) that I can spot this psychological behavior miles away. Reality will set in soon.

@ Mystic Strummer "How many dev complaints does it take for you to see a pattern?"

When it's more legit devs than people leaving Naughty Dog.

calis4063d ago

Sony treated Respawn by saying they weren't interested in funding the game. That's not unusual and not a big deal.

People leaving devs is also not a big deal and happens all the time.

ShwankyShpanky4063d ago

Sony treated Respawn the same as other 3rd party debs: they weren't discussing PS4 with anyone.

AceBlazer134063d ago

Respawn wanted Sony to fund a multiplatform game published by EA aka Microsoft's b*tch. Who would do that? Besides i don't believe a word of that from respawn. You telling me all these indies got Sony's support butrespawn didn't ? Nothing seems fishy there?Only 1 thing kept TF off PlayStation and that was Microsoft's cheque book.

assdan4063d ago

I don't know why I keep clicking on these. We get that sony has better relations, let's move on.

Concertoine4063d ago

Cool....... why are you replying to me about it?

Pogmathoin4063d ago

This is just another one of these articles to announce themselves.... Who had really know much about this ragnar and developer? Now you do....... Seems to be a story like this every week.....

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4062d ago

Who? Another small time complaining about MS?

pheature4062d ago

better in what way exactly?
i see no difference than the announment of ddrm way back then

Concertoine4062d ago

better in that their PR blunders are few and far compared to last year. Plus the promotion of Phil is a good decision

pheature4062d ago

concertoine honestly regardless of who is in that position the same agenda is going to stay in place.
The way i see it, if microsoft look as if things are changing from the outside people would believe it.
just like the same way people believe the cloud will make the console Xamount times more powerfull.
Its all a bit of a sham if you ask me.
Good entertainment box, but for games the ps4 is the console. and i was a 360 fanatic. so no biased opinion im just saying how it looks.
but it would be good if x1 came out with a new "hybrid" before the sony price drop, but ofcorse that would change the hardware completly and with still so many x1 unsold it wont happen.
sony has this one wrapped up ...

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Alexious4063d ago

It seems like they didn't improve so much after all, not yet at least. Dreamfall Chapters will be a unique kind of game and it would be disappointing for many Xbox gamers if Microsoft didn't help the devs porting it to Xbox One.

CJDUNCAN4063d ago

seems like a lot of these indie developers wants to be coddled. and sure it will be disappointing to lose out on these developers and games for some xbox gamers, but it's not a deal breaker to me.

randomass1714063d ago

You're satisfied with Microsoft actively allowing LESS content? Also indies need all the help and ease they can get given how hard and expensive game development can be.

CJDUNCAN4063d ago

it's not about having less content, i prefer better quality over more quantity. If I could get one stellar AAA or mid-major game release vs 10 indies, I'd take that any day of the week.

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chrissx4063d ago

This sums up why Sony and Ps4 will win this gen hands down

Negative774063d ago

Because some no name dev is blabbing gibberish?

MysticStrummer4063d ago

How many dev complaints does it take for you to see a pattern?

Baka-akaB4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

apprently it only works when it's EA , wich is odd considering everyone hates them .

Joke aside , there is no winning "a generation" , especialyl so early after launch for both . Sony fans and fanboys especially should remind themselves that the ps3 was "doomed" at first , yet caught up over the years , and in the end

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zenezrail4063d ago

First of all, this guy is established, not a "no name". Second, how do you think the big names got where they are? They all started out as nobodies. Ignoring the nobody little guy is how you miss out on the next Minecraft. Those sort of things come out of nowhere over night.

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Einhert4063d ago

People talking about "winning generations" now?

How pathetic and childish is this industry? Do knuckle heads not understand that competition is good?

If either company ever "won" it would be for the worst.

Negative774063d ago

There's no room for logic at N4G!!!!

Take your common sense elsewhere!

MightyNoX4063d ago

So will you call MS childish when they have said "we will kill Sony this gen" or "we will win this gen" or will you retreat and prove you're a paid astrosurfer?

wodan4063d ago

yeah that is why the PS1-PS2 days are bad right?

BlackTar1874063d ago

Competition is good. Just wish it was someone other then M$.

To this Day PS1 & ps2 are the best systems with some room for argument obviously SNES NES and N64. But really competition is needed and that's a fact. The level of competition needed is yet to be defined though.

ShwankyShpanky4063d ago

Competition means winners and losers, even if only in relation to each other.

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hello124063d ago

Microsoft has switched focus to setting up more first party studios, to make games. Microsoft welcomes indies but the focus is more on bringing AAA games to x box 1.

Sony dues to its financials supports indies more than Microsoft. That's just the reality for next gen.

MysticStrummer4063d ago

MS has switched focus for sure, but games don't have much to do with it.

hello124063d ago

E3 will tell us how focused they are on games, not long of wait now.

MysticStrummer4063d ago

Very true. It's gonna be good all around this year I think. New consoles have that effect.

Why o why4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Sorry knws but sony have been building their 1st 2nd party relationships for 2 gens now. Ms are playing catch up. The evidence of that is last gen. Look at the fall off for such a 'cash rich' company..... last gen too many flip floppers were screaming exclusives didnt matter and when they were winning goty awards its was then the 'ps3 owners dont buy games' nonsense.

Now you see ms finally talking about 1st party growth, some assume sony is resting on its laurels. They have tackled their indy issues of last gen head on and have come out better for it so now indies are predictably downplayed. 'Indystation'.......li ke some how having more of both is bad... some of you guys just can't make up your minds

Oh,.....Thanks for the easiest 3 points we've earned at the Emirates in ages

BlackTar1874063d ago

Why o why,

It's so true the flip floper on the MS fence are so tiring and annoying.

Last gen you had
Exclusives don't matter casue MultiPlats sell the most.
A missing shadow on a multiplat was the ZOMG 360 version is so much better
Indies are awesome and amazing and xbox supports them like crazy so they are awesome and amazing.

This Gen
Exclusives are all that matter. Xbone has 1 count them 1 retail exclusive more then PS4 and it's so huge now.
Less resolution and missing effects don't matter anymore at all it's all about the gameplay.
Indies suck boooo

These are just 3 of the 20+ goalposts Xbox fans had last year. Sick of them moving it's getting old.

randomass1714063d ago

Could be worse. Once upon a time their focus was only on TV and DRM. Now it seems like it's going to be a lot of things, and E3 may very well tell us that games will be a big part of that.

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SuperWeeb4063d ago

Sony secured their first parties last generation with studios like Media Molecule. Yes, they were idiots for getting rid of Liverpool (WipEout) and Zipper (Socom), but the investment they've made has secured them a good number of first party studios and IPs.
It isn't far off to say that they have possibly one of the best first party lineups for this generation.

The studios everyone knows and loves in Nintendo, including Game Freak (Pokemon) and HAL (Kirby) are actually mainly second party and not owned by Nintendo, so that's kind of out of this particular discussion.

Microsoft on the other hand, often need to resort to, like last gen, moneyhatting third parties for exclusives. Dead Rising 3 is an example of this, which could have easily been on any other system. Something like Deep Down, however, which also involves Capcom, is being co-developed by Sony.
It's safe to say that Microsoft have the weakest first party lineup this generation. They've lost Bungie, which is replaced with the inferior 343i. Lionhead have taken into a new direction with dungeon crawling and have no plans on a "proper" Fable 4 (Which would currently be the only thing that would make me want to buy an Xbox), and the key figures of Rare have pretty much left, and now we're stuck with them making Kinect games. Aside from this, they have literally nothing left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that they're going to be improving their first party lineup, it was abysmal last generation. But if you're looking for AAA first party titles, you're less likely to see it on the Microsoft front for the while, and more like to see it on the Sony front that have the party resources and IPs to support this.

ghostface94063d ago

Micrososft funded the development of dead rising 3 which is why it was exclusive. The way you hate on xbox and defend sony like your getting paid to do it supposively the playstation has games so why dont you go play them instead of trolling and looking dumb in the process.

frankdrebin724063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

343i inferior??..really..bungie moved on,.they wanted to branch out and not do halo,..and personally i am glad for them,..weather destiny will prove amazing is to be seen,..but i think it will be..time will tell.
A proper fable 4....complain about a game,..once its released,..and you have played it,..surely this makes sense,...you might be surprised??
key figures at rare have left??....yet is it not so that key figures are leaving sonys studios..(you know ......the ones they have left after having to sell them to keep afloat in such turbulent financial problems)..naughty dog etc...yet this is ok
as for resources,..microsoft Have the resources,.and begore anyone blabs about microsoft buying devs up and stranglehold talent etc etc,..well im pretty sure the devs are big boys that know what they are getting into,..o and how much richer they will be,..like it or not,..money talks in all walks of life.

OrangePowerz4063d ago

Sony has more studios and AAA games in development than MS.

Also Sony supported indies better already 3 years ago. You are making the assumption that Sony is paying the indie devs, but all they do is provide support to get the games released and most of them are multiplatform.

randomass1714063d ago

Both Sony and Nintendo support the self-publishing model. Why it's taken Microsoft so long to get with the program is beyond me.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain12d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198112d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK11d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts11d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK11d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT14d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits14d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel114d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic14d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN13d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel113d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica14d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14913d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga13d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania14d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7714d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7714d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts14d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7713d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb13d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow14d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor14d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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FTC drops case against Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard deal

The FTC has officially dropped its case against Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

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slate9121d ago

The sweet smell of tax dollars burning

Killa7821d ago

From the unemployment this deal caused, no doubt.

Obscure_Observer21d ago

"The sweet smell of tax dollars burning"

They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start. And yet, still, they´d decided to go ahead and double down on their bs to bleed the taxpayer even more.

dveio21d ago

The IRS demands 29bn USD in not paid taxes from Microsoft.

If we're talking bleeding.

1Victor20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

@slate: “ The sweet smell of tax dollars burning “

The smell of political donations endorsements under the table.
There I fixed it it for you
We all knew Microsoft plan of “10 years of all systems publishing “ and some of its supporters happy that after all the games would be “exclusive to Xbox “ now that things have changed and Microsoft got humbled by the lost of money from CoD going down from OVER A BILLI🤑N to
MILLI😩NS the sales failing of games that would released on PlayStation and be forced by INVESTORS asking for their M🤑NEY to grow faster than the next 10 years it is obvious that it would be a waste of money to continue this litigation.
Edit:@obscured: “ They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start “

Same as your grievance stages.
Have you passed the bargaining stage yet ? Or are you still on the anger stage 🤣

slate9120d ago

I knew my singe bipartisan sentence would bring out the crazies. Thanks for the wall

Astrokis20d ago

Not sure if I’m disturbed or entertained but either way I hope you are alright

OtterX21d ago

I think they're convinced now that MS won't (and can't) withhold releases from conpeting platforms. MS on the street corner now like, "Who wants a taste?!"

PhillyDonJawn21d ago

I wont be too sure of that. Gotta wait and see till after these deals expire

OtterX21d ago

That's how it always starts, "I'll just work this street corner for a short while until I get caught up on my bills..."

Tacoboto21d ago

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna make Xbox exclusives again, with the hardware they're totally committed to selling and making available lol

raWfodog21d ago

As far as I'm aware, the only 'deal' that was discussed was for Call of Duty. Xbox had no obligation to make any of their other games multiplatform. They did that of their own accord.

OtterX20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

**btw, I'm talking about street food vendors, just in case there's any confusion!

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Lightning7721d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I've seen videos and talk a online speculating MS long game. Some think that MS multiplat move is use to appease the FTC so they can buy more and is somehow a move that could get Sony to open up their platform. In other words them going third party and letting their games go everywhere. MS possible scheme and ulterior motives, speculated by Jeff Grubb is that putting Xbox store on PS via regulation Which would hurt PS buissness very badly because that 30% cut would be even less or not a cut at all. MS buys more because they're "playing nice" by opening up its platform to Epic store and steam which would force Apple and Sony to open up their ecosystem to other stores like MS.

If that's the case that'll mean as I said before, PS fans buying Cod on PS via MS store would give 100% maybe even 90% of the money being pocketed by MS while Sony's store front wanes when it comes to third party because guess what? MS is buying more third party and preying off the extreme ignorance of the FTC. Manipulation of the FTC and MS overtaking the PS store and customers

My thing is this. I know it's a opinion and speculation but why does Sony have to open up its store or force them to go multiplat? If they still believe in selling their freakin console then let them do it. If they want to provide the best games and the best content for its fans then let them do it!? Why because the competition is trash at selling games and consoles for 14 years now Sony has to change? MS using the ignorance of the FTC to overtake gaming as we know it?

Again it's just talk and opinion but man this seems very, very possible imo.

dveio21d ago

Well, at the time, I actually did think the FTC and CMA did a poor job in court. But also the judge.

Having said that - it is what it is.

If 75bn mergers in any industry ain't a threshold to deny them, then I don't know what is.

As far as your thoughts about other 3rd parties getting taken over in the future go:

I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher.

But smaller studios ... maybe.

However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft.

That isn't to say an announcement of such couldn't drop on Monday already. Because we today know that Microsoft had approached a plethora of other studios in 2018 to 2021, such as IOI, CD Project, etc.

We'll see. And we can't do anything about it. It's up to trade commissions and then probably courts to decide.

Lightning7721d ago (Edited 21d ago )

"I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher."

That's the thing MS is ticking all the boxes by not have anything be exclusive so the CMA/FTC see that they're doing "fair practice" in games and content distribution. Which technically greenlits more aquisions or it makes it easier for acquisitions because MS is a mega publisher now.

"However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft."

Hopefully not but them going multiplat could entice Studios to join MS because nothing is not longer exclusive which means more money for them, studio and teams.

We can't do nothing about it but Sony can. They can block xbox games on their console (lose that 30% cut) but Sony won't do that because that's money that will be lost and Sony runs a buissness. That's the only way to hurt or slow down Xbox.

I'm probably over thinking it as I do these things but it's something we shouldn't just ignore and be weary of MS motives here. I'm keeping an eye on them.

Rancegamerx20d ago

The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up. Microsoft’s multiplatform approach is 100% due to past failures and its laughable position in the gaming industry. Their best attempt was a fluke and a lie, brought on by Sony’s missteps and a poorly made machine that broke down too often.

Sony would never allow themselves to be "forced" to do anything; they control their platform and storefront perfectly fine without the need or desire to add an unnecessary Microsoft storefront. Even if, by some flaw on Sony’s part, Microsoft were able to introduce its store on PlayStation, Sony would adapt rather than collapse. Digital storefront competition already exists (Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox Store), and PlayStation’s business won’t suddenly "wane."

Also, regulators like the FTC don’t operate on ignorance—they actively assess market behavior to prevent monopolies. Microsoft isn’t secretly overtaking gaming with some ultimate scheme. The industry might be changing or shifting (for the worse, in my opinion), but Sony will continue evolving based on market trends, not because of alleged schemes.

Gaming isn’t about one company "playing nice" or another being "forced" to change—it’s about making money with games, something Microsoft has yet to achieve in 25+ years.

Lightning7720d ago

"The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up."

That's why I said it was all speculation that's what Jeff Grubb opinion. I made that clear several times. You know what's funny? When Jim was in court ppl got mad at the FTC for protecting Jim Ryan instead of the consumer. Maybe he was right to worry about his business. Now look Releasing Xbox games on PS keeps MS studio an a float. Now Xbox games are all over PS now. Maybe Jim was onto something.

MS is still competing with Sony just in a very different way. The FTC back down mainly means they can buy more and MS next steps can proceed. We'll have to see what happens in the future but I wouldn't be so sure on your stance.

InUrFoxHole20d ago

@Lightning77
MS putting games everywhere is the most consumer friendly thing I've seen a game company do.

dveio20d ago

@InUrFox

What does "putting everywhere" actually mean?

This book has so many pages.

• Xbox was dying in revenue
• Regulators put a 10 year deal on CoD
• Microsoft had to give away the streaming
• Spencer himself only offered 3 yrs initially

And most importantly

• Again, Xbox was dying in revenue

Xbox have the benefit of their actual financial situation giving regulators and courts the impression they release games everywhere, what they actually do.

But for reasons they can't be proven guilty of anything in court.

I'm not judging, it's just what it is.

IF the Series generation would have developed differently and was much more successful, I don't hesitate any second to believe in what Spencer had originally planned to do:

• Make everything Xbox exclusive
• We today know that Spencer had also approached Sega, From Software, CD Project, Nintendo, and even Valve was on their list of buyouts.

MS are playing a card here everyone knows why they are doing it.

Putting Doom "everywhere", which even was it already before it got bought, ain't a MS thing.

It would had hurt them in many ways if they'd put it exclusively to Xbox.

But, no matter what - it is what it is.

Xbox bought themselves back into the game. And I think many people just don't have very fond feelings towards this behaviour, wether on corporate nor private levels.

Let's see how they'll run with it.

In 2030, but most importantly after regulations will have expired we will learn better.

Reaper22_21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Seemed like a lost cause anyway. Microsoft gambled and it paid off big time. That's what you call a big boss move. Sony played a huge part in the success of that acquisition.

wesnytsfs20d ago

Bout time. Pointless from the start.

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