The console is now as old as the Dreamcast was when Sega announced the system’s death and has sold just about half as many units.
Well, we've yet to see what mario kart 8 and smash bros does for console sales, so those figures are a tad unfair... but I think its time Nintendo upped its online game and gave us a unified trophy/achievement system.
Just to be fair, He saying Wii U is selling even slower than Dreamcast did. Wii U has been around approx. 17-18 months has sold lets say 6+ mill give or take The Dreamcast sold 10.6 mill so at the end of the year (2014) will have to sell around 4 mill or so in 10 months in order to prove the statements and logic of this article incorrect. Hope Smash and MarioK8 helps but those would be soem huge numbers moved, not impossible but would be very hard sell. Not factoring in the competition as well. All in all it doesn't really matter I guess it's some kind of personal observation and since so many people are sayin "it's goin the way of the Dreamcast" this is why this is even remotely relevant. Who really cares though? Wii U isn't going to Die anytime soon regardless of its state and people who are openly offended by this must somewhat fear for their console of choice and exposing yourselves just making it show over the internet. Let trolls troll, Let the internet have it's fun and pick on the little guy when it's down you can't save it this way, ignore and lets play. Edit: Please do disagree in silence It's not offensive you just disagree with what was said but facts are facts I know some of you are hurt by this article it shows but I wouldn't post this crap.
Wii U hasn't had a lot of stellar content until recently and I think a lot of people are waiting for the heavy hitters like Mario Kart and especially Smash Bros. before they jump in.
As heartless as it sounds, i hope nintendo makes new games besides mario and pokemon as their flagship tittles. I mean am i just going to buy mario hart 10 in a few years? i dont think so, the only reason i would buy a wii u is for kids. all the die hard nintendo fans already bought one. I mean metal gear solid is up to 5 surviving as a multiplat now. I really only think pokemon can put nintendo as a contender.
Nintendo gave Wii U so many similarities to the Sega Dreamcast most notably was the controller with a screen used in game play. It was released a year earlier than the competition with lesser power. So the outcome is really not hard.to understand. The Dreamcast though short lived was a fantastic home console witg ao many aweaome games. It had Soul Calibur one of the earliest games to have universally acclaimed perfect scores and one of the first arcade to home console port to actually be better than the supposed tobe be more powerful arxade veraion. It also had the innovative and groubd breaking grand daddt of all hunting games JRPG Phantasy Star Online. It was.even more appreciated and loved by hardcore gamers after discontinuation.
Dreamcast had sold 10.6million by **2007!! So those last 7years your taking into account are irrelevant. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi... **
There's a big difference between the Wii U and the Dreamcast. If the Wii U officially died tomorrow. It would not be remembered anywhere near as fondly as the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast officially introduced online gaming. It wasn't behind the times like the Wii U. And it actually had quite a lot of games in its short lifetime, many of which were unique.
@BattleTorn The numbers were in relative to the discontinue year of 2002 and was repeated every year and the unofficial numbers were never tract by SEGA thus never announced. even if this were untrue it at least put out near 5 mill after year and a half roughly the same as Wii U. The article is still standing true in its actuality
There was actually alot hype around the Dreamcast. It broke launch sale records.
Nintendo has infinitely deeper pockets and the wii/ds/2ds/3ds have been wildly successful for them. Mystery solved.
If Mario Kart doesn't save the Wii U I don't know what will.
Zelda ;) and a bit of Bayonetta 2 exclusivity ;) that and the never gonna happen Shenmue trilogy, 1&2 HD Remake and then just 3 to finish the story... Finally, perleaze!!! Thanking you ;)
I know I'll be getting my Wii U sometime this summer if they drop in price a little more, and after I finally get my PS4, just for some of the exclusives.
@RosweeSon I'm pretty sure Mario Kart is Nintendo's best selling franchise right now.
You lose a lot of credibility when you use the term "save" in your comment.
Online, and 3rd party games.. But F*me right!!!?!?
Yeah, Zelda is the big must buy system seller (for the gamers). I don't know that the Wii U is "unsavable". We know it's not going to be bought for third party games, so as long as Nintendo can keep the Mario Kart, Mario World, Zelda, SSB, Metroid and the like coming, maybe they can yet keep it going for a couple more years.
@roseweeson those game wont sell consoles. Zelda will probably sell some consoles but bayonetta wont, it not a big game. What will sell consoles are third party games, destiney, watch dogs, bf, cod, etc
surely a lot of people that want mario kart 8 already have a wiiu.
Well the DC hasn't really had any system seller. For me there are plenty of great games on it, but most of them had been niche market games. There isn't anything like Mario Kart for it. So I don't think it's really that unfair.
It was a combination of many things that killed the dreamcast. The problem was dreamcast was a failure in japan. Dreamcast actually did pretty well in america. However it was a costly machine after sega had many failures. That 10 million didn't sustain. That's how in debt sega was. Sega cashed in their chips. Meanwhile, Nintendo's got lots of cash. Ds & wii combined has put them in a pretty nice place. The only way Wii U could be a dreamcast is in the quality of it's exclusives. Dreamcast games were awesome. Nintendo, unlike sega was when dreamcast was released, is sitting on a ton of money. I expect incredible games through the entire cycle. Then Nintendo to make another system after that.
Hinging hope on those series to fix hardware sales is silly. Smash brothers sold 7 million on Gamecube, ~4.5 million of Mario Kart:DD; look how well that system sold. Less than 22 million units. If Nintendo wants to continue having their little self-contained home consoles and not making half of the money that they could be, fine. But this isn't the 90s anymore. It's time to get third party support.
So? And the title should read that it has outsold it so far. Wii U is not a product that is not on sale anymore.
The point is the Dreamcast sold more in the same time period (which is a console that is synonymous for poor sales). Though a better comparison can be made with the Gamecube and the Wii U which has sold roughly the same in the same time period
I got that, but comparing these two things is pointless. Two companies in very different situations at the time of production, in a market that is drastically different than Dreamcast days. The issues with the Dreamcast are nothing similar to the issues with Wii U.
Dreamcast died because of poor software sales, due to how easy it was to pirate games. The Wii U has awesome library of quality games.
The times were a lot worse for the Dreamcast. Sega's reputation had gone to sh!t, they were financially in trouble, most 3rd parties abandoned them and everyone was waiting for the PS2. Still, it's library of games made available on the Dreamcast in that time frame beats what the Wii U has managed to date, easily.
Gamecube still made money for Nintendo... People always say sales were poor but no one ever mentions they didn't sell for a loss and the console actually made them money.
But the Dreamcast did not sell because the PS2 trumped it and they lost a ton of money on software. Wii U doesn't have a massive piracy issue. Wii U can still make a bunch of money on first party software.
Damn, You guys sure don't get the point of this article and your bias is showing in root that. This has nothing to do with what was wrong with Dreamcast the more you put it down is making the Wii U worse if you think about it, Your saying with PS2 beating the crap out of it and it was pirated and had no 3rd party support and such but it still sold 10.6 mill in 28 month and we see Wii U 18 months in only around 6 or so with quality games and innovation up the wazoo and following one of Ninty's most biggest run away successes. Think about what you guys are saying if your defending the Wii U. I personally don't care about the bias or console war or anything just get the article before you people speak you'll sound ignorant or fanboyish and no one will take you seriously. Just tryin to help you all out.
There is no doubt that the console is selling poorly.. but you have to take into consideration that every first party game Nintendo has sold is a million seller.. Look at the Wii U titles released by Nintendo (NSMBU, PIKMIN, SM3DW, NINTENDOLAND, and so on) .. The estimates are saying the Wii U is anywhere between 5 - 6 million in sales .. That means about 10% of the base is buying their published games. The Dreamcast never had that kind of success for any title or titles.. They had a bunch of arcade ports that didnt pan out... Yes it sold at a faster rate early on before dying..but the Wii U has yet to release its HEAVIEST of hitters.. The system has proven that it gains momentum with title releases.. granted non of them have sustained for long.. but none of those titles are Mario Kart, Smash, or Zelda.. those could push it to decent levels over time. Lets declare the console dead once MK8, SMASH, and Zelda come out... at that point if it cant even keep pace with the X1 and the sales are still in the tank we can declare it a failure..
Good lord not this dude again. "While both companies’ pasts are obviously very different, it’s difficult not to draw comparisons between the Dreamcast and the Wii U." SO comparing a system from a desperate company that was already in massive debt issues, to a company that has a much better track record with a ton of money is easy to draw comparisons to? Try again. "Another amusing comparison is the Wii U’s Gamepad and the Dreamcasts VMU. Both were used in similar ways, offering up a second screen experience, but only first-party developers – in the Wii U’s case at least so far – figured out how to take advantage of the added screen real estate in a unique way." Are you serious dude? LIke seriously? Comparing the VMU to the Wii U gamepad is like comparing a nokia flip phone to an Iphone. Just because they both have screens doesnt mean they are similar. And the best use of the gamepad has been by ironically Sega and Ubisoft. Zombi U and SOnic All Stars Racing actually use the gamepad in new an creative ways, where a majority of the Wii U games from Nintendo simply use them as a mirrored image or arbitrary features. Look at Super Mario 3D world, and Mario Kart. Does virtually nothing. I could go on and on, but this dude needs to seriously stop writing, or think before you type.
Long live the Dreamcast *cry*....SHENMUUUUUUUUUUE!!!
o sega and nintendo when i think of these two i think of skies of arcadia.....*tears yyyy is their not a sequel
The dreamcast isnt the reason sega quit the console race.
Yeah you're right. The real reason was due to Sega's massive restructuring back 2001-2002, and their newly appointed CEO refuse to continue the console business due to slow sales in competition with Xbox, PS2 and GC.. And instead focus on software and support these big 3..
Dreamcast was great, but Sega was coming off a series of flops. Sega Saturn, 32x, Sega CD. Nintendo is coming off the Wii and DS which sold like hotcakes, and currently has the 3DS, which prints money. The Wii U will be fine.
And Wii U is outselling PS4 in Japan at the same point in time..... Dreamcast was also 200 dollars. Honestly? I like Wii U, think it will do fine.
Big thing people won't consider, Wii U will be selling long after the two years the Dreamcast was on the market. Wii U has a lot more time on its hands and software to benefit from than Dreamcast.
really??? wow and even what's more shoking is that gaming has expanded so if a 1999 Dreamcast outsold the wiiu in today's growth is absolutely abysmal don't get me wrong, the wiiu imo is a very good system but it's targeting nobody except Nintendo fans wiiu is for the fans
i kind of agree wiiu is for the fans but even then can you really say that?? with their being no metriod, no fzero no earthbound, no pokemon, no animal crossing,no starfox...i can go on
Give it time man, you just listed 40 years worth of Nintendo game releases there.
Software sales > # of consoles. Considering the software sales for games like Super Mario 3D World (1.7 million) and New Super Mario Bros U (3.8 million)the Wii U is doing very well in terms of software sales when you compare how many Wii U's are in homes.
mario bros u sold more than 3d world?? wth!!
@black Thats very common. I believe New Super Mario Wii sold over 20 mil while galaxy 1 was about 8 million. The new SUper Mario Bros series is for a much wider audience.
Sonic Adventure, the Dreamcast's flagship launch game, only sold 2.4 million units. NSMBU already beat that easily. 3D World will beat that in a matter of months. Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros will both beat that in a matter of weeks.
I agree with you Ape. The Dreamcast had a much smaller market that what the Wii U has now. The Wii expanded the gaming market a lot, and you can see now that PS4 and Xbox have been breaking records in sales. The Wii U had this huge pool of potential consumers and it just hasn't worked out. You are also right that the Wii U is for Nintendo fans, specially when all third parties are abandoning Nintendo. People will say that a third party dev is making Zelda Warriors, but that is still a Nintendo franchise, so it doesn't matter who is making it. Smash Bros is being made by Namco too. The Wii U is by no means going to be discontinued like the Virtual Boy or the Dreamcast. However, Nintendo will be in a lot of trouble for next generation because they must have something to compete with. They can't afford to have another bad console generation. At least they are doing great with handhelds. In my opinion, they made two huge mistakes with the Wii U: 1) Deciding to make another basic console with specs no greater than current gen. Graphics is not everything, but people also like advancements in technology. I think they thought that gameplay was going to be enough basing it on Wii success, but I don't understand why they didn't see how the sales of the Wii tanked after a while. The thing stopped selling as fast as it was successful when it launched. That was the indication that the success was just temporary. 2) Deciding to announce just the controller in the reveal (plus the name Wii U). I get that they wanted to focus on gameplay (again, based on Wii's success), but just showing the controller and calling the thing Wii U after having tons of add ons being called Wii [Something} (Wii Fit, Wii Music, Wii Sports, etc), Obviously people would think that they were announcing another add on. If the console was called something else, with that fact only, people would at least understand that it was something new. Or they should have announced it with its concept name, so that it wouldn't be confusing. Either way, it was a total mess that even to this day, Nintendo can't clean up.
Compared to the Dreamcast days, the economy is absolute crap, so I don't think gaming having expanded is as much of a factor as you think it is.
Dreamcast, the other console that was lacking 3rd party support.. Had more variety from its first party games..
More variety? Wii U has three platformers, two party games, a bunch of different downloadable games old and new, indies, a Zelda remake, an upcoming racing game and a Smash Bros. game with even more stuff coming from other developers. What more variety could you ask for? XD
True but all you get from Nintendo is the same sh1t gen after gen...Mario, Mario kart, Mario party, Zelda, donkey Kong...etc
You clearly never owned a DC....
Somebody give Mario, bowser and princess love triangle a break, they will make it , Nintendo will make it no matter what they say
That's the thinking that is doing Nintendo no good
Honestly I wouldn't mind buying a Wiiu just for Wind Waker, and all the old titles I can get from the store. Alas I have no job, so I can't. I really want a PS4 too. Plus some games for mah 360 im bored. Wouldn't mind having a Playstation 2.
I can't think of a comment that wouldn't get me downvotes by Nintendo fans, including this one.
That's because you're likely thinking of nothing but thoughts along the lines of "Nintendo is doomed".
Not Nintendo, Wii U. Wii U is a true fan boy console, I mean this in the nicest way. As unless the thought of Mario, Zelda, Smash or Metroid gets you pumped theres very little else to get truly excited about. You have to be a real fan to justify a console purchase on first party titles.
@caseh First-party titles are exclusives. People buy consoles based on things you can't get on other systems. Why buy one system when you can get the same games on another?
I still have my Dreamcast and play the hell out of it. The thing that really killed it was consumer confidence in Sega, they flat out had none. Lets be honest Sega was an under funded branch of Corporation that sold it off to the very people who had kept it from making profit to begin with.
Why are people disagreeing with this comment? Are you saying that this is good state of affairs rather than a sad one? WTF?!
Well it's no secret the Dreamcast actually had a pretty good launch and initial start . Even if the ps2 was selling as much then better it with no worthwhile games within it's first japanese launch year , Sega failed to build upon its success , and EA helped sabotage it further . The dreamcast could and should have been in the same position sales wise than MS later on , had Sega handled it better
Don't worry about the Wii U , nintendo has the money to keep it aflot forcefully during at least 4 to 5 years , something sega at the time didn't.
all they needed was a new name and re introduce the gamecube controller wiresless of course and it coulda ended up alot different
You have to wonder how the dreamcast situation could have played out differently if they weren't already on a downward spiral. I think games wise the dreamcast at this point had a better selection of games than the wii u does, yeah the couple of mario games are great, as is wind waker and a couple of other gems but the dreamcast had such a great variety of games, which is why mine is still hooked up to my tv.
Of course mario wii u sold more than 3d as it's barely been out for 6 months whereas the other was launched alongside the console (most people are gonna grab it) and any late coming people are gonna get it on the cheap these days, so yeah hardly surprising but I hope nintendo can pull it round, either way I'm loving it, fantastic and new games, well it is nintendo after all and my first chance to play uk earthbound... Wowzers! Can't wait.
I got such a good set of wii U games to crack once I get through some of my 360/ps3 backlog ( damn you ps+ haha) but with luigi, mario 3d world, pikmin 3, lego city and earthbound all to start I can't wait to start nailing my wii u again, mario kart will be a launch day play for me once that happens wii u will be back on the go for a few weeks then I'll prob save most of those games until some other big hitters actually have a launch date, bayonetta 2 and smash bros I'm looking at you, a new zelda, mario and metroid wouldn't go amiss but Nintendo need to start pimping out that wii U, even when nintendo 3DS looked rubbish to everyone else I went and got on launch, very happy with my 20 free games for this dedication, wasn't expecting the same thing on wii u (free games) but I've been happy so far, I can understand if this is your one and only console it could be a pain waiting in between game launches but for someone who's multiplat, loving the wii u and the games are great as and when I get round to them, sure could just wind waker as well, but being 28 I played that on launch back in the day, great game but think I've got enough going on at the moment ;( haha. Wii u deserves to survive even if only for another 2-3 years At least nintendo very VERY rarely make stinkers, even there average games are way above their competition, no I'm not talking rockstar and GTA completely different kettles of fish and both amazing. P.s Dreamcast deserved much better it was basically the early version of Xbox live that Microsoft went and adopted/ straight up stole the whole idea and just at a time when homes were becoming better equipped with broadband, dreamcast was about 2 years too early in the whole online market but great games, even if a few arcade ports but who's doesn't love a bit of virtua tennis and crazy taxi, jet set radio, but Shenmue wow!! Dream arena and the online shop and everything else was so ahead of it's time, look at the Lil VMU's amazing!!
You know what this sounds like? This sounds like one last desperate attempt to bash the Wii U and make people not consider getting it, before Mario Kart 8 releases and smashes right through all the doom&gloom.
The Wii U bad sales are NOT a fantasy. I repeat this is not a myth . Not going to be as big of a deal as some people think , but regardless it's perfectly normal to talk about it.