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My Wife, the Casual Gamer, Reacts to: Metal Gear Solid 5 – Ground Zeroes

FRONTBURNR: My wife, Vicki, has always found watching the Metal Gear Solid games an interesting affair. She has been a observer since the second game, so when I told her I was going to play something new in the series, she was all about it. She did tell me that she had absolutely no interest in playing the game herself, as she lacked the patience to tactically infiltrate the base and complete the objectives. With that being said, I booted the game up for the first time and we were off to go rescue Paz and Chico.

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rdgneoz33720d ago

:The game ended and my wife looked absolutely puzzled. “That was it?” she asked?"

That's what she said.

Sly-Lupin3720d ago

You, my dear friend, possess what can only be described as clarion wit.

Anthotis3720d ago

To be fair, it has a lot more content than the average demo.

Still, that doesn't justify slapping a price tag on this demo.

randomass1713720d ago

I would argue Case West and Case Zero for Dead Rising 2 were longer, and both of those were sold for $5 digitally which is stupid cheap in comparison to Ground Zeroes.

AntoineDcoolette3720d ago

^ They had over 7 hours of content?

hay3720d ago

This seems to be fairly common reaction among clear thinking people. I had the same expression and asked similar thing while my significant other just laughed...

randomass1713720d ago

Ohohoho, I see what you did there.

pornflakes3720d ago

Ground Zeros is the biggest flop availabe.. only fools pay 40 bucks for such a short game.

WIll wait for Phantom Pain with exclusive content on xbox one.

hay3720d ago

Yeah, apparently Snatcher mission was MUUUCH better than this Deja Vu crap.

G0 would be a nice collectors' gem if people wanted to buy it and there would be none in the stores... But it gathers dust on the shelves instead.

randomass1713720d ago

Any word on how Ground Zeroes is selling? I'll feel ashamed if a demo is actually turning out to be a best selling store product.

Allsystemgamer3720d ago

Obviously only a fool would pay $40 when it sells for thirty...

Jokes aside. There's 5 missions. Each can take well over an hour the first time to complete. That's longer than most cod campaigns. So shit your trap.

Thatlalala3720d ago (Edited 3720d ago )

S ranked all five in three hours. Most of my time was spent dicking around.... Trying to extract every soldier... Laying as much c4 as possible..... She's right. On all points, and I LOVE Metal gear. I felt like I "had" to do mentioned shit to justify the purchase. Its a rip off, plain and simple. Unless your hunting trophies, your better off just waiting for TPP.

pornflakes3719d ago

So you are comparing 5 hours MGS (100% of the game) with CODs campaign??

To complete cod with 100% you need 10-20 times the time you need for Ground zeros, lol

Fact is: MAIN story MGS = 30 minutes against Main story cod (5-7 hours)

So shit on your trap and go playing indi games on your PS4

Joe9133720d ago

First off it is $20 and $30 not $40 havnt been that in a long time either way I can understand ppl complaints but to call the ppl who bought it names is crazy and I will only say do not hate because you are broke to some ppl $30 is nothing a lot of ppl spend more than that out at a club or at the movies with their girl.

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MysticStrummer3720d ago

I paid $20 and have gotten more playtime from it than two Call of Duty campaigns combined. When this guy's wife asked if that was it, he should have said no because there are other missions to play.

randomass1713720d ago

That's not really true at all. The main story mission is about an hour with the cutscenes and the side missions are just padding on the same map. That's collectively two or three hours. Most Call of Duty campaigns are at least four to six hours. Not to mention all of the time that goes into the multiplayer.

Oschino19073720d ago (Edited 3720d ago )

Another one who just doesn't get it...

I am a fan of COD as well but GZ has given me far more from it's single player compared to the last 2 COD single player campaigns also.

I may replay Ghosts (Strike missions ruined BO2 campaign for me) again but I will definitely be going back for more GZ again and again until TPP.

I also don't trophy hunt and couldn't care less for them with the exception of a handful of games like GZ where it feels like it's actually part of beating the game.

Ratty3720d ago

It took me about five hours to complete all missions once. I didn't take my time nor did I rush through it. Afterwards I got about 10 hours to collect most of the tapes.

In the end I got a little over 20 hours getting a 100%. I'm not saying everyone should get the 100% but maybe they should at the very least do every mission at least once, then try to collect Chico's tapes. If you're not into that kind of thing and only want to see the story then don't buy it and watch the cutscenes on Youtube. Otherwise it's an excellent game and I don't regret the purchase one bit.

Am_Ryder3720d ago (Edited 3720d ago )

That one hour mission yeah?

I've played it about seven times. My first time was about 90 minutes, an hour and a half, but some subsequent playthroughs have been upwards of three hours. Including collecting the 9, brilliantly hidden XOF tags, discovering easter eggs, playing with guards and the simulation, rampaging in the open world...

Then there are four other missions. All of which roughly give the same level of depth and gameplay.

I've sunk about 35 hours into it so far, and I plan on continuing to do so. The most I ever sunk into a CoD campaign after CoD 4 was about five hours.

MysticStrummer3720d ago (Edited 3720d ago )

"That's not really true at all."

Yes.

It is.

I said I've gotten more playtime from GZ than two Call of Duty campaigns, and that is absolutely true. I said nothing about multiplayer. I said campaign.

Since you brought it up though, CoD multiplayer isn't for me at all, except for zombie mode. Regular CoD multiplayer is one of the most mindless and boring games I've ever played and I hate that other games try to emulate it in the name of sales.

Edit - The real kicker to me is how many people here are acting like they thought this was a full release, or on the other hand calling it a demo. It's a short prologue. I knew that when I bought it. If you didn't… well damn I guess you should have because it was obvious well before release.

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HappyWithOneBubble3720d ago

Agree I got it for $20 too and put over 10 hours in it. She's a casual gamer and wouldn't care to play the side missions and find hidden items like a MGS fan would do.

CrossingEden3720d ago

Artificially increasing the length of the game by replaying the same missions over and over doesn't change the fact that this game barely has any content. As yahtzee put it, it's like eating a very small lollipop, and then desperately eating the stick of the lolipop. A game should never be released with only 9% of the game actually being important to the narrative.

Allsystemgamer3720d ago

Yet it has more content than cods campaign. At least play it for attempting to bash it. It's $30 and people like you treat it like a full on release.

MysticStrummer3720d ago

Playing the game again because it's enjoyable isn't artificially increasing the length. MG games have always gotten multiple replays from me, mainly because I enjoy their AI and enjoy messing with that AI in different ways. In an open world game it's even better.

"A game should never be released with only 9% of the game actually being important to the narrative."

A good story is a very nice, but I play games for the gameplay. I've always enjoyed Kojima's stories, but the stealth gameplay is what makes me look forward to a new MGS.

The lollipop analogy is meaningless. Gameplay is gameplay. The lollipop stick isn't the lollipop in any way. Playing a game again is like picking up another lollipop of the same flavor, not eating the stick of the lollipop you already finished.

GrandpaSnake3720d ago

basically if kojima would have made all of this one giant play through with no mission menu every body would have nothing to complain about?

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel1984402d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus402d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken401d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm401d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake401d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername401d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan401d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen401d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus401d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff2183401d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies401d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE401d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer401d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga401d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer401d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb401d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot460d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman460d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola460d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad460d ago (Edited 460d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing69459d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS17460d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger459d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall460d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest631d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade631d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam631d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty631d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot631d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard632d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop632d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop632d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS17632d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name631d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver632d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio2048632d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor632d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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