Backwards compatibility has been left out of Sony and Microsoft's current consoles again. Are HD remakes a fair substitute for gamers who want backwards compatibility?
There is no substitution for backwards compatibility. You either have it or you don't. While they are often times gussied up versions, it's still little more than double-dipping. While some of the compilations of older games are worthwhile to repackage, this re-selling of games after only a year is ridiculous.
i agree with you it is almost frustrating that they even attempting to squeeze the cash out of gamers for this. You should be able to put in a ps3 disc and it downloads the ps4 version and plays that and just uses the ps3 disc for validation. I know business is about making money but there needs to be a focus on what their business provides. when it becomes all about the money things start to suck
You do realize that they would have to make a ps3 for every single game. The ps3 and ps4 are completely different architecture which would require many studios time and money to remake these games to work on the other system. Yes this is a business and you paid for the game on the device it was made for. You got the worth out of it and the company at that point owes you nothing more.
Backwards compatibility matter most in the first 1 - 2 years, when games are scarce on new platforms. Other than that, it's a incredibly niche market, and by then you can simply buy the old console for $200 or less (usually $100) if you really want to play your old games. HD Remakes; however, aren't and shouldn't be a substitute especially since people have already paid for the game once. Now that being said they are welcomed additions IMO if they offer a good enough upgrade (1080p @ 60fps, improved graphics), bundled with all the DLC content, there's a trade-in / upgrade program, and they're priced reasonably $40. I'll use The Last of Us as an example. It was an amazing game, that unfortunately was on on the console with the smallest US install base, meaning many gamers never had the chance to experience it. Now that the PS4 is out and it's dominating, I see nothing wrong with re-releasing it for the new console with a higher resolution, better framerate, slightly improved graphics, and all the content. I do have a problem with it currently having no trade-up program, and worse it being $60, but for those who haven't played it, it's still a new experience for them (which is why a trade-up program should at least be considered, same with Tomb Raider). It just makes sense for PS to do this, mainly because the US market (aka the biggest gaming market) missed out on the majority of PS3 exclusives thanks to the PS3 placing a distant 3rd in the US, so I'm sure we'll see more like Uncharted Collection, inFamous Collection, Resistance Collection etc... because they were all great games, the unfortunately didn't get the full attention they could have considering US sales. Now having something like an Uncharted Collection at 1080p @ 60fps, improved graphics, all the content, and all 3 games is something that's worth $60 to me, because you're getting 3 games. But a single game no matter how good, should be $40 new, and $10 - 20 trade-up program.
These HD collections and remasters need to stop and we can all start buy not buying the Damn thing! Waste of time and resources when it can be put to actual new next gen games! Isn't that the sole reason why we bought ps4/xbone?? I like Sony and all but they are really making it too obvious in regards to trying to get an easy extra $60 from us over games that are barely 1-2 years old?! That's just ridiculous! All these remastered extra HD games should be no more than $20 max.
One of the best things about PC is the near unlimited backwards compatibility. If only PS4 went with a PowerPC architecture again, rather than cheap out with an off the shelf mobile APU.
Exactly my opinion.
The demand is there and many people haven't played the game in the first place, and now they get to enjoy it on a next gen console if that is the version they want. I don't think this should be the norm, but TLoU is a special game, it was an instant classic. And it happened to release not too long before next gen consoles came out. Naughty Dog makes games of the highest quality, but for some reason they don't get huge sales compared to some other companies games. I don't think it is greedy to want more people to own their product, especially in this business, and the game being so highly acclaimed. Besides, it takes time and money to re code a game for 60 fps and new AA features. It's not just a simple upgrade in res.
People want to play better looking versions of the games they love, that's for sure. Personally, being able to play the old one on my new console for free is enough.
i see where you are coming from and i think this is where i found enjoyment in ps2 hd remakes. It just seems a letdown at the moment because the game isnt really that old just yet
It's a PORT not a remake. It's a PORT not a remake. It's a PORT not a remake. The Last of Us being a former "PS3 exclusive" has a different case compared to Tomb Raider. I would consider TLOU PS4 version as a port not a remake because it was made with the PS4 imminent launch in mind. So Naughty Dog made the game's assets PS4 worthy. "We always create our assets at a higher resolution than what you see in-game," Christophe Balestra told Eurogamer. "A lot of our pipelines are already ready to move to something superior to the PS3.” http://www.examiner.com/art... With regards to a sequel, Druckmann stated that, “It’s just like the DLC, we had the choice to do it or not to do it. Well, let’s figure out if it’s worth doing. Let’s see if we can get passionate about it, so that’s how we would approach The Last of Us 2. We will brainstorm and if there is something we can latch on to then yeah, we can do it,” he said to IGN in a lengthy video podcast. Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/naugh... “We had a lot of people on the forums saying ‘can I play this on PlayStation 4?’ We had actually been anticipating that, and started working on it pretty much as soon as we finished the PlayStation 3 [version]," he explained. "We weren’t sure if it was going to go anywhere, but when we saw the fans clamouring for it we doubled-down, and put more effort behind it. http://ca.ign.com/articles/...
"this re-selling of games after only a year is ridiculous." Really? Have you even played TLOU? Someone that did would understand why this is a reasonable practice and a generous gift from Naughty Dog. Now we can play the best game of last gen on our next gen console. I don't understand why you think that's a bad thing unless you just feel salty about another amazing game in the PS4 library. It must burn.
C'mon man. You are a known crazed Sony fan who would thank them for anything they've done. Ever. I have called you out on this time after time. I have played the game. I loved the game. I listed the game in my best games of the year article http://duuro.net/duuros-top... So, don't call me out when you are the only fanboy in the room. I may be a big PC gamer, but I play everything. Unlike you.
Fair substitute? lol last time I check these hd remakes retail for $60.
Its another way for publishers to collect profits
While HD remakes are nice for people who maybe missed the game the first time around, I agree that it's basically a way for publishers to earn extra money off the same game with a coat of shoe polish on top. Look at Resident Evil 4, how many versions of that game do they have now? Lol.
Let's put it this way, just a month or so ago I reviewed a brand new version of the game on PC . . .
some times the remakes are ok since the developers have clearly gone to a lot of effort to make it better such as completely redoing textures and models. Resi 4 is the king of remakes though. most of the remakes arent even in hd. The wii version springs to mind
Resi 4 may be the king of remakes in quantity but not in quality that has to go to the original on the gamecube,sorry big resi fan had to add that.
It started on GCN. Then was ported to PS2. Then to Wii. Then to PC. Then the HD versions on 360/PS3. And most recently there was Ultimate HD.
Why is this even being asked? Buying a console that plays games you already own from past generations or paying for the same games again. You tell me which you would choose.
if you read more than the title you wouldnt have had to leave this comment
The question was: "Are HD remakes a fair substitute for gamers who want backwards compatibility?" Correct answer is No. Gamers, in general, would rather have the ability to re-play their games they bought on a previous generation system (Backwards Compatibility), rather than paying again to play the game on the newer current-gen system. However, having said that, there is still a market for myself and probably a few thousand other gamers, who were Xbox 360 only gamers last generation and either never owned or never got a chance to play TLOU on a PS3, and would love to buy and play it on our PS4's with higher-res textures, smoother frame-rates and all the DLC released for $60 ($70 here in Canada). Plus, everyone shouldn't be all furious just yet. For the people like me, TLOU:Remastered is an awesome deal to play an awesome game that I've yet to experience yet. For those that have owned it and played it on PS3, you've already gotten to experience it and enjoy it yourself, and if you perhaps wait a little longer, Emulation/Backwards Compatibility powered by cloud computing (Or even PlayStation Now) will soon be here and you'll be able to play TLOU on your PS4's without buying the "Fraud Edition". There's two sides to every coin...
Totally agree, I sure was hoping ps4 wouldn't have bc because I don't want to pay extra for it... Without bc, you get hd remakes... If you don't like it don't buy it. No problems
I think the point of the article is that bc and hd remakes can and should live together. Its nice to be able to stick in a disc from the ps3 into your ps4 but at the same time those who never owned the game on the previous system or just want the new version have the option to get the hd remake
NO not at all, it's an unfair excuse as to why they 'can't' do backward compatibility. While I agree some HD remakes are worth the extra effort to bring up, they aren't going to remake EVERY SINGLE game. There is no logical reason why we can't have backward compatibility besides trying to get more money out of us via HD remakes or PSNOW/XBL. The Last of Us is worth the extra effort. It's a fantastic game they new people can play for the first time and old people can relive the experience in full 1080 instead of 720.
Yes there is a logical reason. You want a 499 ps4 just to play some old games? I sure don't. So they make hd remakes, who cares you aren't missing out if you already played it.. I'll be buying ps4 tlou when it hits about 19.99
Please, BC would NOT add all that much to the price if anything at all. They didn't add in BC because they had just spent billions on Gaikai now PSNOW to stream all the old titles for a fee. Fact is BC is NOT a bad thing 'to play some old games'. BC would have been very good for the PS4 up to this point and until a solid library comes out for PS4. For the first 6 months of the WiiU's lifetime I caught up with the games I missed on Wii which filled the time when their library really started rolling. PS4 I played a bit of shadow fall, and a lot of Reshogun at launch then it was back to the ps3 and I'm still there. Played Second Son a bit but I beat that already. Most people either trade in their old system because of lack of room in their small apartments or entertainment centers, or simply just could use the trade to save some money. WHy is it so awful that people keep the games they truly enjoyed or experience the last few games of old gen while waiting 6-12 months for the new gen library to really start rolling?
Of course you should enjoy your old games for ps3, so you keep your ps3 like I did obviously you don't ditch it day one of new consoles cycle... And yes the cell tech in ps3 never became ultra cheap so it would in fact add 50 to 100 dollars more. This is better, cheapest system possible, buy some remastered games if you CHOOSE
Eh. Im glad they switched architecture for the ps4. There are still parts if the ps3 architecture that are very strong and more than a bit weird compared to other hardware though. Definitely not possible to emulate them on the PS4's internals. You need much more powerful hardware to emulate non-standard stuff like Cell. Unless you'd want them to include a load of supplementary hardware like they did in launch PS3s and increase the price drastically?
You all love to complain huh?
Some of us have to. Not everyone has the money to buy the same game twice over. That being said it would be nice to have the ability to play our old games on our new consoles at no extra charge.
If you already have the original game on the console it came out on, and you're content with it, why not play the game on that console. The HD remasters aren't for you. They're for people that either missed out on the game the first time, or just want to buy an updated version of the game. No one is forcing you to rebuy the game in the first place.
No, they're not fair substitutes because you have to buy them all over again. But on the other hand, you get a better looking version too.
The more hd remakes that come out on a system, the betta
no for two reasons one have to pay for it again, and two not all games will get hd remakes
no its not but backwards compatibilty is impossible unless they actually put in components from the older consoles. I personally would have spent extra, but 95% of wouldn't
that isnt really true. BS doesnt require extra hardware it requires extra (incredibly complicated) software. Perhaps the cell is a an exception but it doesnt mean software cant be written to emulate ps2 games on ps3/ps4. The system wasnt very powerful when compared to modern systems. Sony know how the ps2 works so they should be able to make an emulator that can play ps2 games at least
well ps2 is being worked on. PS3 is almost impossible. I think for PS3, the PS2 games needed to be heavily patched for it to work 100%.
Absolutely not. They're greedy cash runs. But I'll take them over nothing. And in some cases it's nice to have an upgraded, definitive version.
Nope, i'd like both though, please. :D Occasional remakes is great but full BC would be great too. I have no problem with HD remakes though especially if they address problems and make things nicer.
They WOULD HAVE BEEN at the price ranges that they used to be... but even then? ...nah.
I think Sony went a bit too far with the cost of the original PS3 though. It might have needed extra hardware but the hardware was old and it only needed 1 chip. That chip didnt cost $100 since thats close to what an entire ps2 cost. It may have helped them cut costs but the real reason for it was because they didnt want to slow down the sales of the ps2
Backwards compatibility has no substitution. The whole point of 'remastering' games is for these corpoations to amass more revenue from older assets. In case of last generation, the consumer has proven that they have interest on rebuying the same old game, which at the end, has only proven to be beneficial for Sony (use Sony as an example since they are the ones who have practiced this the most). The practice of backwards compatibility will and has been dying and although people love to bash Nintendo because they simply love to do so, I tip my imaginary hat to them for continuing this dying tradition. One of the many reasons why Nintendo has my respect.
Backwards compatibility has no subsitution since we're not entitled to BC anyway. People act as if it's some god-given right to have BC. This article is probably stealth trolling.
Simple solution to all of this whiney nonsense. If you don't think an upgraded version of a game is worth buying, don't buy it. Geez... BTW, I'm buying TLOU Remastered, I bought Tomb Raider, and i'll buy anything else that I deem worthy of my hard earned money.
Exactly chief, well said! People just love to whinge. If a title, remastered or otherwise doesn't interest you then don't buy it. These remastered versions of games are not competing with backwards compatibility either as I see it. For me, replaying an original version of the game is totally different to playing a remastered version of a game. I enjoyed TombRaider Definitive Ed and you bet I will pick up the Last Of Us remake and cannot wait for the Diablo 3 release on PS4 either. The way I see it, I earn my money and I will spend it on what I like.
Sure, now put Halo 4 on Xbox One. NOW!
Here's an idea for backwards comparability, KEEP YOUR OLD CONSOLE. (PC's have no such issue) Back to topic, I'd say it would be 'fair' if the price was cheap. In my eyes that means £20-35. No more. I find it ridiculous that in the USA it's $60 and in the UK it's £55. £55 is about $80. I don't see why we're paying more...
It's not like things happen to old consoles that were extensively used, right...? And I keep all my old consoles, but that doesnt mean my GC or ps2 are still working. Heck one of the main reasons I bought a wii and wii U were for BC. I still use my wii for GC games (laser started having difficulty reading dual layer wii disc, but reads GC fine) and my Wii U(which I bought when my wii laser started going bad) for Wii games. I will legit put money down for a ps4 if backwards compatibility(at least for ps2) was announced. I, like many others, like to replay my games and would love to clean up my ps2 backlog without having to rebuy an old system or rebuy the games. There's a market for HD remakes, but most of that market doesnt seem to care for BC. And considering that many actually want BC there's not much reason to not add it.
Of cause not, and why pay £15 more other here in the UK?
All comes down to how much you like that particular game some i'd buy some i wouldn't the choice is still yours to make so im fine with HD remakes i never go back to enough older gen games to justify backwards compatability anyway but everyones different.
Man, the most pathetic argument ever, want "compatibility"? Don't sell you previous console, simple as that, stop this nonsense bs.
Lol! Are they kidding? A fair substitute? Gtfoh. Charge me nothing and then yes its fair.
this is what i discussed in the article. i wasnt claiming that it was fair. You should at least read it first
Nope, you're wrong. Your title was awful too. :P In all seriousness though, you asked an incredibly awful question in your title. We all know that of course it isn't fair. Its a money grab under the guise of "letting those who missed out on ps3." The polishing up of old games is bad for gamers. For every old game that is polished up, is one less new game that we could all be enjoying.
Fair for who? The consumer who doesn't want to pay all over again for the same game. Or the producers who fancy a bit more cash out of us.
It's technically not the same game though or a remake would be pointless.
If the consumer wants to play his old game he plugs in his old console. He's not being forced to buy any remake. Apparently everyone on N4G wants to re-buy TLOU though.
Perhaps. I've kept my old consoles but I never get them out. Too much of a faff on to get them out of the loft, plug it in for one or two games, then put it back in the loft again. Old consoles, although sound like a simple solution, take up valuable space near a tv. tbh, I've not bothered with the majority of remakes, except for Halo in 360. If there's a market and people want to buy it, developers will make them I suppose.
Same thing as doing remakes for movies. As long the intended buyer is satisfied with his/her purchase, I don't see what is wrong with HD Remakes. As for BC, it would require a whole new design to get it up and running. You would need the CPU's of past gen to be installed onto the MB. Emulation is also a problem since there is no CPU available to mimic the Cell processor.
It's only fair to the people who haven't bought the game. To the people who have it's a slap in the face.
Did this writer really just ask if HD remakes, as in $60 ports with minimal differences are a fair substitute for the ability to play the games we already own on our shiny new consoles? ಠ_ಠ
No not really only if the game has been out of circulation for a while or the graphics need a big update, otherwise a cash grab but I guess its one way of ensuring you have a proven blockbuster on your system ha ha.
I'm happy I can now sell my Ellie edition for stupid money that I never got round to playing and play an updated and including dlc uber ps4 edition... Can't wait.
Yes I say they are.
Every time I answer this question I get banned for 2 days. So I'll simple laugh first. LMFAO! Then say NO! (then I'll add we have all gone mentally retarded in this hobby of ours)
No but some games deserve to be experienced in the best way possible. Some games are so good they are worth it. Hell, I'd buy this AND Skyrim for PS4.