Are HD Remakes A Fair Substitute For Backwards Compatibility?

Backwards compatibility has been left out of Sony and Microsoft's current consoles again. Are HD remakes a fair substitute for gamers who want backwards compatibility?

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TheRealTedCruz1862d ago

There is no substitution for backwards compatibility. You either have it or you don't. While they are often times gussied up versions, it's still little more than double-dipping. While some of the compilations of older games are worthwhile to repackage, this re-selling of games after only a year is ridiculous.

buffalo10661862d ago

i agree with you it is almost frustrating that they even attempting to squeeze the cash out of gamers for this. You should be able to put in a ps3 disc and it downloads the ps4 version and plays that and just uses the ps3 disc for validation.
I know business is about making money but there needs to be a focus on what their business provides. when it becomes all about the money things start to suck

LeoDDestroyer1862d ago

You do realize that they would have to make a ps3 for every single game. The ps3 and ps4 are completely different architecture which would require many studios time and money to remake these games to work on the other system.

Yes this is a business and you paid for the game on the device it was made for. You got the worth out of it and the company at that point owes you nothing more.

ABizzel11862d ago

Backwards compatibility matter most in the first 1 - 2 years, when games are scarce on new platforms. Other than that, it's a incredibly niche market, and by then you can simply buy the old console for $200 or less (usually $100) if you really want to play your old games.

HD Remakes; however, aren't and shouldn't be a substitute especially since people have already paid for the game once. Now that being said they are welcomed additions IMO if they offer a good enough upgrade (1080p @ 60fps, improved graphics), bundled with all the DLC content, there's a trade-in / upgrade program, and they're priced reasonably $40.

I'll use The Last of Us as an example. It was an amazing game, that unfortunately was on on the console with the smallest US install base, meaning many gamers never had the chance to experience it. Now that the PS4 is out and it's dominating, I see nothing wrong with re-releasing it for the new console with a higher resolution, better framerate, slightly improved graphics, and all the content. I do have a problem with it currently having no trade-up program, and worse it being $60, but for those who haven't played it, it's still a new experience for them (which is why a trade-up program should at least be considered, same with Tomb Raider).

It just makes sense for PS to do this, mainly because the US market (aka the biggest gaming market) missed out on the majority of PS3 exclusives thanks to the PS3 placing a distant 3rd in the US, so I'm sure we'll see more like Uncharted Collection, inFamous Collection, Resistance Collection etc... because they were all great games, the unfortunately didn't get the full attention they could have considering US sales.

Now having something like an Uncharted Collection at 1080p @ 60fps, improved graphics, all the content, and all 3 games is something that's worth $60 to me, because you're getting 3 games. But a single game no matter how good, should be $40 new, and $10 - 20 trade-up program.

Army_of_Darkness1862d ago (Edited 1862d ago )

These HD collections and remasters need to stop and we can all start buy not buying the Damn thing! Waste of time and resources when it can be put to actual new next gen games! Isn't that the sole reason why we bought ps4/xbone?? I like Sony and all but they are really making it too obvious in regards to trying to get an easy extra $60 from us over games that are barely 1-2 years old?! That's just ridiculous!
All these remastered extra HD games should be no more than $20 max.

stragomccloud1862d ago

One of the best things about PC is the near unlimited backwards compatibility. If only PS4 went with a PowerPC architecture again, rather than cheap out with an off the shelf mobile APU.

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scott1821862d ago (Edited 1862d ago )

The demand is there and many people haven't played the game in the first place, and now they get to enjoy it on a next gen console if that is the version they want. I don't think this should be the norm, but TLoU is a special game, it was an instant classic. And it happened to release not too long before next gen consoles came out.

Naughty Dog makes games of the highest quality, but for some reason they don't get huge sales compared to some other companies games. I don't think it is greedy to want more people to own their product, especially in this business, and the game being so highly acclaimed. Besides, it takes time and money to re code a game for 60 fps and new AA features. It's not just a simple upgrade in res.

randomass1711862d ago

People want to play better looking versions of the games they love, that's for sure. Personally, being able to play the old one on my new console for free is enough.

NerdBurglars1862d ago

i see where you are coming from and i think this is where i found enjoyment in ps2 hd remakes. It just seems a letdown at the moment because the game isnt really that old just yet

miyamoto1862d ago

It's a PORT
not a remake.

It's a PORT
not a remake.

It's a PORT
not a remake.

The Last of Us being a former "PS3 exclusive" has a different case compared to Tomb Raider.
I would consider TLOU PS4 version as a port not a remake because it was made with the PS4 imminent launch in mind. So Naughty Dog made the game's assets PS4 worthy.

"We always create our assets at a higher resolution than what you see in-game," Christophe Balestra told Eurogamer. "A lot of our pipelines are already ready to move to something superior to the PS3.”

With regards to a sequel, Druckmann stated that, “It’s just like the DLC, we had the choice to do it or not to do it. Well, let’s figure out if it’s worth doing. Let’s see if we can get passionate about it, so that’s how we would approach The Last of Us 2. We will brainstorm and if there is something we can latch on to then yeah, we can do it,” he said to IGN in a lengthy video podcast.

“We had a lot of people on the forums saying ‘can I play this on PlayStation 4?’ We had actually been anticipating that, and started working on it pretty much as soon as we finished the PlayStation 3 [version]," he explained. "We weren’t sure if it was going to go anywhere, but when we saw the fans clamouring for it we doubled-down, and put more effort behind it.

Killzoner991862d ago

"this re-selling of games after only a year is ridiculous."
Really? Have you even played TLOU? Someone that did would understand why this is a reasonable practice and a generous gift from Naughty Dog. Now we can play the best game of last gen on our next gen console. I don't understand why you think that's a bad thing unless you just feel salty about another amazing game in the PS4 library. It must burn.

TheRealTedCruz1862d ago

C'mon man. You are a known crazed Sony fan who would thank them for anything they've done. Ever. I have called you out on this time after time.
I have played the game. I loved the game. I listed the game in my best games of the year article
So, don't call me out when you are the only fanboy in the room. I may be a big PC gamer, but I play everything. Unlike you.

Back-to-Back1862d ago

Fair substitute? lol last time I check these hd remakes retail for $60.

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NYC_Gamer1862d ago

Its another way for publishers to collect profits

Neonridr1862d ago

While HD remakes are nice for people who maybe missed the game the first time around, I agree that it's basically a way for publishers to earn extra money off the same game with a coat of shoe polish on top. Look at Resident Evil 4, how many versions of that game do they have now? Lol.

TheRealTedCruz1862d ago

Let's put it this way, just a month or so ago I reviewed a brand new version of the game on PC . . .

NerdBurglars1862d ago

some times the remakes are ok since the developers have clearly gone to a lot of effort to make it better such as completely redoing textures and models. Resi 4 is the king of remakes though. most of the remakes arent even in hd. The wii version springs to mind

cfc781862d ago

Resi 4 may be the king of remakes in quantity but not in quality that has to go to the original on the gamecube,sorry big resi fan had to add that.

randomass1711862d ago

It started on GCN. Then was ported to PS2. Then to Wii. Then to PC. Then the HD versions on 360/PS3. And most recently there was Ultimate HD.

MrSwankSinatra1862d ago (Edited 1862d ago )

Why is this even being asked? Buying a console that plays games you already own from past generations or paying for the same games again. You tell me which you would choose.

NerdBurglars1862d ago

if you read more than the title you wouldnt have had to leave this comment

HyperBear1862d ago

The question was: "Are HD remakes a fair substitute for gamers who want backwards compatibility?"

Correct answer is No. Gamers, in general, would rather have the ability to re-play their games they bought on a previous generation system (Backwards Compatibility), rather than paying again to play the game on the newer current-gen system.

However, having said that, there is still a market for myself and probably a few thousand other gamers, who were Xbox 360 only gamers last generation and either never owned or never got a chance to play TLOU on a PS3, and would love to buy and play it on our PS4's with higher-res textures, smoother frame-rates and all the DLC released for $60 ($70 here in Canada).

Plus, everyone shouldn't be all furious just yet. For the people like me, TLOU:Remastered is an awesome deal to play an awesome game that I've yet to experience yet. For those that have owned it and played it on PS3, you've already gotten to experience it and enjoy it yourself, and if you perhaps wait a little longer, Emulation/Backwards Compatibility powered by cloud computing (Or even PlayStation Now) will soon be here and you'll be able to play TLOU on your PS4's without buying the "Fraud Edition".

There's two sides to every coin...

T21862d ago

Totally agree, I sure was hoping ps4 wouldn't have bc because I don't want to pay extra for it... Without bc, you get hd remakes... If you don't like it don't buy it. No problems

buffalo10661862d ago

I think the point of the article is that bc and hd remakes can and should live together. Its nice to be able to stick in a disc from the ps3 into your ps4 but at the same time those who never owned the game on the previous system or just want the new version have the option to get the hd remake