Xbox One will Double Performance with DirectX12

Video from Red Dragon talking about DX12 and how it will double performance on XB1 also has quotes from AMD ,Intel and Nvidia about the gains it will provide.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Wow amazing stuff. The x1 is truly the next gen must have console.

[Allsystemgamer]

Lol yea ok. All this talk and no demonstration

[Sethry101]

I don't understand people who trust on blind faith. Either you know tech and can deduct for yourself, which I doubt many people do. Or you need proof which so far there has been none of. I don't know tech well enough so I need proof first.

[Irishguy95]

Well, it's nice that Amd, Nvidia and intel all agree. I don't really trust MS...but the other 3??

@MainstreamGamer...

It's common information, theres a reason GPU's use GDDR5 and DDR3 is used for system memory. They have their ups and downs over one another.

[NatureOfLogic_]

With the power of the cloud and dx12, Xbox One will become more powerful than the PS4./s

[ThunderSpark]

The same people getting hyped about every little thing MS mentions are the same Xbox fans that were going to allow Microsoft to implement the DRM policy and the same ones that let MS walk all over them during the RROD fiasco. Please everyone disregard their opinions. True gamers know the truth. Anything implemented software wise can be done for both consoles. Only thing that can't change is the hardware, which the PS4 wins easily.

[redwin]

Don't care much about power but I care a lot about games, good fluid multiplat and exclusives. I'll tell you when the division comes out, who's who. I have both machines right now and so far I like the box ( I can feel the hate brewing) but so far it's my opinion . Have you played them both ?

[gaffyh]

I sometimes wonder if anyone actually believes this shit, other than the usual trolls obviously, because it's obviously complete BS.

[Sarcasm]

Yup with the power of the cloud, secret sauce, dx12, Unicorn Tears, and Tinkerbell's fairy dust it will become twice as powerful as a GTX Titan Black too.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Another blind fanboy statement.
When developers such as the one he listed say things like that it Means something!
These companies know what the hell they are talking about...
Just as all system gamer you sound like a biased troll...

[papashango]

up to 25% performance in some games is the most I'll give "some" games.

[Chris_GTR1]

whats wrong with these people ,its fact ps4s gpu is much stronger than x1s. it doesnt matter what "magical firmware update" they do wont change that fact.

[DoubleM70]

From a Dev look him up on Twitter also. Brad Wardell

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

[UltimateMaster]

It's impossible to double the strength of the Xbox One and make it superior to the PS4.
Hardware can't be changed, and since both uses the same type of CPU and GPU, the PS4 can optimize as well.
Hopefully the consoles can become better overtime.

[webeblazing]

You can only have blind faith with Sony products. No matter what is not shown.

[TheGreatAndPowerful]

If you look at RD site and the rest of the vidoes on his channel you'll see he's a big Xbox fanboy. I really don't know what's happening to N4G lately but it seems like they're allowing just about anything to be posted here including personal blogs posts and amateur created vids like this.

https://www.youtube.com/use...

[Boody-Bandit]

Click your ruby covered heels together Dorthy and repeat after me, "there is no place like home, there is no place like home, there is no place like home.?"

I mean seriously, this again?

On topic:
Some ask when is all the resolution gate going to stop and than yet those same people are here believing this nonsense. 2x more performance? SERIOUSLY!?

The bottom line. No matter what improvements can be made through dev tool kits, cloud, driver or software updates or familiarity with devs over time with said hardware. You can't make hardware less capable on the same level as hardware that is more capable with software. Especially when you have to realize the more capable hardware will not be hiding in a corner sitting still. It to will have updates and refinements that will improve it's overall performance as well.

I really wish these secret sauce articles would be fewer and further between and the continual we have learned from our mistakes and are now more focused on games. Seriously just stop.

Show us. Don't talk about it.
All I care about is the games.
E3 is right around the corner. All will be known then.

[u got owned]

All i see in this thread is a bunch of ps4 fans trying to discredit this news. Are you guys that insecure... If it makes you feel better ps4 will stay the most powerful but with dx12 xbox one could close the gap and that is a win for all gamers. Please leave your insecurities at the door, PS4 will be fine.

[Eonjay]

What if it does improve performance and still lags behind the PS4 as physics and mathematics assures us will be the case. What then, DirectX 13? Let this go. Its a lost cause... if you buy an Xbox One do so because its the package you want, not because of hidden secret sauce.

[kreate]

@u got owned

"Closing the gap"

And 'doubling' the performance

Is not the same though.

[Gotcha5]

Was all demo at Microsoft Build,check it out on Channel 9 website...

[Ritsujun]

I bet Xkeletons' fav genre is fantasy.

[italkgame]

but ..but... the dragon is white

[u got owned]

@kreate

Even doubling the performance that would put the xbox on par (which I doubt) of the ps4, not in front . In any case good for gamers. Like i said all i see here is a bunch of insecure people trying to discredit something they dont even understand how it works. I will wait and see maybe they are telling the truth and im willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

[GameNameFame]

First of all, PS4 has 8 cores too and have identical CPU as Xbox One.

Distributing work across all 8 cores is same as Xbox One and PS4, meaning PS4 will do this soon or later too.

Hardware architecture is same. If X1 gets software optimization, PS4 gets it too.

THey both have SAME CPU and GPU. PS4 literally just have more of it.

[Balcrist]

Seeing a lot of people here talking about how any software changes made to the xbox one can be made to the ps4, which will still be on top because you can't change hardware... Unfortunately for you, you're wrong because of the reason you think you're right... Ps4 is a raw power machine with its more advanced ram, however the hardware of the xbox one is different, the esram is split into 8 cores, Microsoft did this because they knew that they were going to put dx12 in it and are convinced that tiled resources are the future of gaming. Essentially, Xbox One was built for dx 12 (for goodness sake, the X in xbox comes from DirectX), thinking that the ps4 will be able to benefit from dx12 as much as the xbox one will is wishful thinking.
Someone said that Xbox would still be behind due to inferior physics and computation, but if Microsoft can pull off Cloud Compute anywhere near to the ability that it's advertising, then PS4 will be the one to fall behind in that department...The demonstration from build shows that it's in the works...
I'm not really sure why people are so interested in putting these down... people should be hopefull for Microsoft... The closer the two are in performance the better games and gaming will be in general, and the competition will make both companies strive to due even better. Microsoft knows its getting it's butt handed to it right now, and that's why they're trying so hard to do better.

[Flutterby]

Should be called "Amd, nvidia and Intel say dx12 will increase performance on pc , xbone fans now wrongly believe 2 times more performance on xbone"

So now the xbone will be what ? 20 times more powerful ? The cloud making it 10 times more powerful then dx12 doubling it lmao , you guys and your false hope.

Don't even bother making pcs anymore companies you would need 8 titans in sli and a 48 core Cpu to keep up with the xbone <-----if you think that statements silly and unbelievable then you would also realise the article is stupid too.

[whatiswrongwithyou13]

@Balcrist

You really have no clue what you are talking about. From the words of Bill Gates himself:

"Software can always be optimized, hardware is permanent."

You cannot out optimize the hardware, the PS4 will always be able to be more powerful. It is physically impossible to say otherwise. But if you care so much about hardware, get a PC.

http://www.videogamer.com/n...

[Saigon]

@GameNameFame

If I am not mistaken the PS4 already does that, meaning they already have the software optimization. What DX12 does is it brings close to the metal development which is already present in OpenGL and has been for years. In reality, MS was behind the curveball with this announcement. Now that both have similar optimization you are going to see improvements with the XBO games. The only problem is that everyone leaves out the GPU and RAM used in these equations. People forget that they play a huge role in these developmental infrastructure.

[BG11579]

When all of these theories about the bone being more powerful than the PS4 flunk, will fans stop believing in MS. Cause you know it's being like this since E3.
There was the Cloud, the balance, the stacked CPU or GPU and now DX12...
Until today every theory has been revoked and proven false. Yet, people still believe in MS.
Isn't time for the MS'fans to start believing after seeing real and day to day proofs of what MS says? Cause this is getting really tiring.

Plus, how the hell did so of the comments here got an "Well said" bubble when they have so many disagrees?

[mrmarx]

they using all of Edward Bernay's tactics.

[Pro Racer]

If that's what they predict for X1, just imagine PC performance with DX12... With that said, I'll believe it when I see it.

[XisThatKid]

I think it will improve def but 2X is a bit much imo

[cheetah]

This is classic PR 101. Find your weak point and tell everyone it is going to be your strong point.

MS knows they are behind the 8 ball badly with Xone and need to lie to keep it in the game. The sad part is that all the sheep believe the BS time and time again.

[Raider69]

Its strange that this articles get approved,the moderation sucks!Even Microsoft said during GDC that from dx12 for the Xboxone they are expecting a 20% increase in efficiency!And its obvious for any gamer that the same can be expected for the PS4 with update tools on the PS4 library.

[Unspoken]

^ Shhh, no need for logic as you might break the state of n4g. Remember, the article is for hits to rile all the PS4 fans up, and it does so spectacularly.

[Dubaman]

Isn't that just like the Cell processor?

[Foxhound922]

I know, it's hilarious isn't it? First there's all this talk about the cloud, then the hidden components(secret sauce), and now it's dx12. All smoke and mirrors to entice developers and gamers. It's quite funny, ms starts spouting unconfirmed or nonsense about power, and now suddenly, graphics and power matter to the Xbox fanboys. It's priceless.

[Saigon]

@Dubaman

No, completely no. Two separate resources.The Cell itself is hardware, where the potential still has not been reached but at the same time very difficult to tap it. This (DX12) is in regards to software improving hardware, which is possible but within the limit of the hardware. The PS4 already has this technology with the use of OpenGL and MS is just reaching this style of programming with DX12.

[Dubaman]

@Saigon
Im aware of the differences between hardware and resources used on those hardware's. I didn't mean it to be so literal it, it was a reply to "Lol yea ok. All this talk and no demonstration"
Which is akin to the Cell Processor. It was praised as a powerhouse and capable of doing so much more. Yet most multi plats were inferior on PS3 when compared to the X360 versions.
Basically, some people are quick to dismiss this news as there's no proof or "demonstration". Yet the Cell had a good few years before people admitted it was a bust, i.e. not as great as stated.

[kreate]

@u got owned

"Like i said all i see here is a bunch of insecure people trying to discredit something they dont even understand how it works"

while i'll give u the benefit of the doubt and say there are some insecure ppl trying to discredit something they dont understand.

u urself also seems like a insecure person trying to give credit to something u dont even understand urself though.

[IcarusOne]

Soooo...is thereddragon the new hiphopgamer?

[u got owned]

@kreate

insecure me? nah... Im not the one taking trash and where in my post did i gave credit to anything.

If its true that DX12 can increase the performance of the bone great if not well I also own a PS4 so no big deal.

Most of the guys here talking trash will probably never own a Xbox, yet they go into every Xbox news to bash it, that to me shows a lot of insecurity, hopefully you are not one of them ;)

[MehmetAlperTR]

So we will see Double 720P games :P

[Balcrist]

@whatiswrongwithyou13,
You're bonkers if you think hardware can't be optimized. Sure it's set once its in the console, but the optimization comes before that when choosing what parts to put in. PS4 was optimized for high power at a low monetary cost to make it competitive, where as Xbox one was optimized to make the best use of dx12. No one is saying that dx12 will make the hardware better or any different, but the structure of the xbox one is better suited to dx12, its called synergy.

[Saigon]

@Dubaman

Wrong again, sorry dude. But the problem with your statement, which has some truth to it, is that that issues between the PS3 and 360 were early on due to the difficulty of the Cell. As we moved forward that gab decrease. The best example is to look at GTA5. Pretty much identical on both platforms. In time things improve and I see why you are making this statement regarding the XBO. The problem is that they are not equal in comparison. The main reason why your comment truly holds no value is because both systems (XBO and PS4) used the same hardware; the only difference is that one is a little more stronger than the other and one specifically uses DX11 (soon to be DX12) and the other uses OpenGL. From the technical standpoint it is impossible to make low end hardware more capable than high end hardware regardless the software used for development. As I stated before, OpenGL already does what DX12 is trying to do. So really there are no advantages at the moment for DX12.

[marlinfan10]

@allsystemgamer

http://xboxonedaily.com/201...

theres a game dev that actually works with the tech saying the results are spectacular

[skept3k]

This claim is so fucking unbelievable unrealistic retarded. Microsoft is so fucking dumb that they can easily double the performance with a simple system update, why would it not have already been integrated before launch?

[skept3k]

Hahaha also they comment a 25% boost, I thought this would "Double" performance, on only "some" games. If this is a system upgrade why would only some games and not all games...

[SilentNegotiator]

The original API would have had to have been the most inefficient API on the planet for this to be true.

[kreate]

@u got owned

What's ur psn and Xbox live id?
I'll add u. Or u can add me.

This is to see if u or me are "one" of them.

[CryofSilence]

Hmm. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. A two fold performance gain seems highly unlikely.

[Dewitt]

If you don't understand what the APUs responsibility is, don't respond. Multi-threading alone will take all the strain off the CPU and split it, if you have ever used your PC at 10% load vs 90% load you will see a huge performance drop on the throughput. By splitting the load across 8 cores, you can essentially double your frames. It's all math, no need for a demo.

Edit: The disagrees are hilarious from people that don't even understand the technology.

[pompombrum]

This tbh.. as much as I'd love for it to be true, it just sounds too good. I'll believe it when I see it.

[BadlyPackedKeebab]

@Dewitt

you are being a little disingenuous there. You will only double your frames if your game loop was CPU limited in the first place. There are two things to take into consideration with frame performance CPU time (object movement, AI etc) then GPU time (Render the scene, light it, make it look pretty with AA etc). Different games have different demands. Some need a ton of CPU time per frame, for others its almost irrelevant as its all about GPU time. Different games schedule stuff in different ways. Low impact games (indies) will literally do a "Do CPU stuff -> Do GPU Stuff -> Show Frame -> Repeat" Where as bigger more complex games might take the approach of having the CPU and GPU operating for the entire frame time but the CPU doing the work for the following frame, i.e. the CPU is a frame ahead of the GPU.

In short I would suggest a better ability to shift load across more CPU cores will have more of an impact on AI etc and while there will be some FPS benefit for sure as it will indeed bring down CPU limitations, its not going to double them.

Think of it this way. If you had a game now that you were maxing the CPU side out at 30 fps (so 33.3 ms of CPU time per frame) you are also potentially spending 33.3 ms of GPU time making the scene look pretty. If you half your CPU frame time to 16.15 ms you will also have to half your GPU time.

Do you think that you can half the GPU time and not seriously downgrade graphical prettiness?

So yes... you could use it to remove CPU FPS limitations but... you also need to downgrade the graphics all the time.

No story here.

You cannot double the fps with the same graphical bang just with CPU performance.

[kneon]

Typically when you see such a performance gain in software it means the first version was complete crap, and I doubt that dx11 on the xb1 is complete crap.

[ProjectVulcan]

"it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one."

I cannot believe people would actually think this was true.

Every week there is this new thing that will make Xbox One this enormous powerhouse, with absolutely no evidence of it happening, and the claims get more and more farfetched.

It's so damn easy to throw rhetoric like this around when it wouldn't be called out for 18 months.

File this under the ones were Penello and Major Nelson said there would be no real difference between PS4 and Xbox One performance.

[CryofSilence]

Let's not make assumptions, Dewitt. It has a tendency of making people look like fools. Badlypackedkeebab explained the skepticism quite well.

[Dewitt]

I completely understand what you are saying but since it operates at a shared load it takes strain off of the APU as a whole because it is technically a SoC, which means if you lower the load that CPU handle it parities the idle time with GPU which would not require a graphical downgrade. This was explained in the conference which is why the skepticism was so low. DX12 was built for lower level APUs but scalable, it was also built for ARM compatible devices so they took into account the added strain on GPU by using tile rendering down to the faster RAM of the XB1.

[destroyer11687]

I literally have no idea what all that technical information that you speak of means but I just wanted to say thank you for adding intelligence to this otherwise obvious grab at attention from lovers and haters of X1. I own a PS4, but if any of what they are saying is true when it comes to this whole "cloud" and "DX12" stuff, I say, bravo to MS for figuring out a way to make your fans happier. After all, that's all I want from Sony too...for them to attempt to make me as a fan and a gamer happier today than I was yesterday. If MS can actually make true on what they're claiming, that would be pretty cool for all gamers as it would most likely spurn Sony to respond in some way, making for a better gaming experience for all. If it turns out to not be true, well, then MS may have to adopt the old saying "actions speak louder than words" and shut up for a while.

[blackmanone]

Dewitt, your second response sounds like textbook PR drivel. All conjecture and zero substance. Id ask if you work for MS but from such a juvenile response i think it's clear you don't.

[ProjectVulcan]

Let me put it this way then to anyone that believes the doubling power comment, if it is THAT significant, and it is THAT important, why on earth are they not rushing it onto the machine as fast as possible instead of taking 18 months to do it?

It's just absolute madness. I am quite sure that DirectX 12 will be an improvement over the current API on the machine, but it'll never be anything like as dramatic as that. To suggest the machine will suddenly be so much faster overnight would also suggest that DirectX 11.2 that already runs on it is incredibly poor, and basically not worth anyone's time. That those 'world class coders' totally messed up with DX11.2 so badly and that the next iteration will be so much better.

That when asked about Mantle, AMD said it isn't necessary for the consoles because the existing APIs are already low level and pretty good.

I always say, that the API of these consoles and the tools evolve, they always evolve. But where do you ever remember a console suddenly becoming twice as powerful overnight? When have you ever seen anything other than continual, but gradual improvement so games looked a bit better every year incrementally.

That is actually what is going to happen. Don't give the time of day to this sort of wild claims.

[Eonjay]

@Dewitt

Are you implying that the Xbox One games are currently only using one core?

I understand what this means for PC but I doubt that Xbox One is really that unoptomized.

If so you are correct that framerates should be increased. Remember when Microsoft said that Direct X had been 100% optimized? It just never ends.

I took a look at Matio Kart 8 this week and it looks really good without sauce. Its all about optimizing what you have.

[frostypants]

@Dewitt, you are talking out of your butt.

[Dewitt]

Sorry but anyone questioning my knowledge on dx12 please go watch the conference, just because it is good news for MS doesn't mean it is not true or PR drivel. Currently all APUs use very low optimization because a real option for multi treading has never existed due to the difference in idle time. If your idle isn't equal then the GPU or CPU is waiting for the other to catch up. When this happens you lose frame and that's when you get skips or framedrop. With DX12 they can keep the load low while keeping the idle very minimal.

[Unspoken]

@BadlyPackedKeebab

"You cannot double the fps with the same graphical bang just with CPU performance."

You may want to reword this because you can do just this.

http://static.techspot.com/...

[Ju]

This has nothing to do with an APU. All it really means is, that even though some of the games are CPU bound they starve the GPU simply because the API cannot push enough data to the GPU (draw calls, mainly) because up till now, DX ran through a single pipe. DX12 tries to address this and (transparently?) feeds the GPU using multiple cores. Wow, finally! We might as well see an advantage for Indie games because it is in the API (OS/Driver) not the application level.

But what makes you think the "other" console can't do that (already)? That is and was a limitation of DirectX. The "other" one doesn't run DirectX to begin with, Sony's graphics libraries have lower overhead all together. Multi threading was never an issue there - even though the low level API isn't as big as DirectX. Also, it won't compensate for the GPU deficits this One machine already has. 50% lower GPU throughput remains.

[lifeisgamesok]

I agree 100%

Multicore scalability will be huge for improving games for the Xbox One

The PS4's gddr5 latency is actually a problem it is losing draw calls (stalls) while Directx 12 will multiply draw calls by splitting the heavy lifting between the CPU cores

Gddr5 is good for graphics but not for CPU instructions due to higher latency (even Sucker Punch said so) the X1's ddr3 has tighter timings

[imt558]

@lifegamesok

What a damage control. Google InFamous Ss and read how Sucker Punch use RAM for game. Especially my eye catch one information: Render Target use over 200+ MB of GDDR5. Xbone will have huge problem with 32 MB ESRAM

[SnakeforPresident]

True, but games are a lot more labor intensive for the GPU than the CPU mainly because they are now used for a lot more than actual graphics these days. Im pretty sure devs will take the delays in CPU execution vs the increase in GPU speed. It all depends on the instructions/programmer. I would need to do research on how the x1 is running now but i dont see a doubling as being possible unless its currently absurdly inefficient and the xbox engineers are terrible at their jobs which i doubt.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

to lifeisgamesoc,,--- you sound like you know what you are talking about . So if you buy XBOX1or PS4 because of the power of the machine, i respect that. But i am buying a PS4 because they will have more games than the XBOX1. heck XBOX1 does not even have a baseball game coming soon! I bought PLAYSTATION 1,2,and 3 because i believe SONY is really dedicated to making gamers happy!

[Sarcasm]

You literally have zero idea on what you're talking about.

[Prime157]

You forget the specs of the ps4's gpu in relation to it's competitors, and that they are pushing gpu compute...

[Farmassy]

@defenderofdoom

haha. I am laughing so hard right now. You want the PS4 and not the X1 because "XBOX1 does not even have a baseball game coming soon!"

There are lots of reasons to want a PS4 but this reason is a dumb one. hahaha. its still funnny

[Christopher]

Did you forget that DDR3 is bad for GPU processing and that is were the majority of the load will be as far as processing load?

Both consoles have their pros and cons, but you can't discount GDDR5 w/o discounting DDR3.

[jessupj]

So when actual cold hard facts are laid out for you, you won't believe that PS4 is significantly more powerful than the xbone, but you'll believe this PR drivel?

Why am I not surprised.

[Eonjay]

Sucker Punch said that delay was caused by attempting to sync the CPU with GPU compute and offered guidance on dealing with this. They also refered to issues with streaming data off the HDD. They never referred to GDDR5 latency.

They do not agree with you and no one would recommend a graphics system with DDR3 memory.

[Ben Dover]

@Farmassy

Maybe it's because he.. you know... likes baseball games? Do I really have to explain that for you?

[imt558]

MisterX is soooo happy about this.

3+ TFLOPS incoming.

Well, another PR from MS as usual.

[kayoss]

I have only one question for all xbox fans.
If DX12 can double the power of a console or PC, Why in hell am I always upgrading my PC hardware??
Let say this is true, any low end PC can use DX12 and turn their PC into a mid level to high end PC. There would be no need to spend extra money to upgrade your PC's hardware right? This is the reason why i am skeptical of this PR BS.

[hakis86]

Well this statement (OP) is gonna backfire... ha! popcorn.gif

[Letthewookiewin]

I haven't seen anything that even makes that statement remotely true.

[andrewsqual]

Would have been great to announce something groundbreaking like this to devs with the biggest gathering of them a month ago. Its a wonder Mister Legendary Spencer isn't shouting this from the rooftops, weird.

[LackTrue4K]

lol....."The x1 is truly the next gen must have console"

yep, mabe next year wheeeeeeeeeeen DirectX12 gets release next year. And until then....we can only see and wait if all this fancy talk is true.

[Prime157]

Isn't it a holiday 2015 release? So almost two years?

[blackmanone]

Prime, just far enough away to sell a few xboxs before people it's all bull.

[showtimefolks]

time to talk less and show more MS. Have you noticed how sony doesn't talk yet 3rd party developers are the ones talking about the power different between ps4 and xbox one?

show up talk is cheap, and that's coming from a gamer who is interested in xbox one

[DoubleM70]

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

[beebap]

Double the article you linked only actually states that directx12 will enable game to be 1080 and states this is a gamer changer for developers...the rest of it talks about gains for video cards not xbox one.

[Mr-Dude]

Man you xbox fans are so weird. You hold onto anything these days. Everyday you find something else. And when this secret sauce number 500 doesn't claim to do what you believe in, you find something else and point the finger at Sony or the fans for some weird conspiracy

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah, it is weird and it's getting kind of ridiculous.

[VegasDawg]

The only conspiracy here is the doubters, this is MS, AMD, Intel and Nividia on saying these things.

[MRMagoo123]

@vegasdog

None of them said the xbone would be 2 times more powerful because of DX12 , they wherent even talking about the xbone but PCs, the Xbone has the weaker hardware and it will be forever weaker hardware, there is nothing that can be done about that fact.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

I love my X1 but I am by no means a fanboy. i beleive shit only when I see it and right now all I am seeing is talk.
That being said I'm perfectly happy with my X1 the way it is, and if anything changes or goes wrong I have my PS4 to fall back on.
Its depressing that all this generation talks about is specs, where's the excitement for. What matters - the games!

[Magicite]

keep tellin that to yourself

[Zool 08]

Yes with the B$12 and fairy cloud the XBone will be more powerful than the PS4 by a million times, wartz and all.

[fr0sty]

Wow, the BS machine has been running overdrive at MS headquarters lately. I guess Phil Spencer's motto is "Lie, lie, lie, keep a perpetual promise of improvement coming right around the corner to keep them interested.".

Your machine will improve with time, but you're not getting 2x the performance unless Microsoft are the worst programmers in the world and developed terrible software toolkits for developers to use to make their games, which would go against MS' reputation. Software is where their strengths lie, so in order for this to unlock 100% more power, their original software would have had to have had some MASSIVE bottlenecks.

Watch, in a few weeks they'll be pressured to explain what this meant, or... god forbid... actually prove it... and they'll start backtracking. "It will deliver double the power. We'll eventually release an update through the cloud to enable it."

[VegasDawg]

So.......How did he get Intel, Nividia, AMD to lie for him? I love people like you that don't even get the jist of the article then come on here and make a fool of yourself, thank you for the entertainment.

[fr0sty]

Easy, none of them were talking about Xbox One with their comments. Especially Nvidia and Intel, which have nothing to do with XB1, XB1 is actually competition to them. They are referring to DX12's effect on the PC space, where DX11 and earlier APIs were very restrictive. DX12 will be a massive performance boost in that area.

Also, this guy's comments are suspect to begin with. He tries to make DX12 out as if it'll give XB1 a "new GPU". Then when pressed to explain how, he starts talking about the CPU and how up until now it wasn't utilizing all 8 cores.

So, if the enhanced CPU ability is supposed to be the "new GPU", it would still be FAR behind XB1's GPU in power, so nowhere close to being a 100% increase in performance (even if Xbox One magically got 100% more performance out of those CPU cores, all 8 of them still would be nowhere near as good at rendering graphics as the GPU. That's why we have GPUs.). It would only help in cases where the games were CPU bound, but Xbox One's games tend to be bottlenecked by the ESRAM before they are by the CPU when it comes to visuals.

With the increased CPU performance, the chip should come closer to performing like PS4's CPU (both are basically identical, though PS4's is said to feature AMD's turbocore tech that enables it to use fewer cores but at a higher clock speed, to aid with tasks that require faster performance per individual thread), so you may see better physics, lighting simulation, etc.. tasks the CPU can aid the GPU with. Possibly higher frame rates as well as the CPU is able to help the GPU with those certain tasks.

What you won't see is every game magically running at 1080p 60fps. You're still going to see XB1 games running at lower resolutions than other ports, because the ESRAM is still a bottleneck, and even more so, the DDR3 where the vast majority of the game's most frequently accessed data has to live (all but 32mb of it).

DX12 is an improvement for XB1, but it is nowhere near what this guy is trying to hype it up to be.

[VegasDawg]

Wow dude dx12 is not out yet, well tools have been sent out but I digress my point is YOU HAVE NO IDEAL WTF you are talking about,you don't know how much or how little it will improve you are talking out of your ass, I feel dumber reading your B.S.lol

[3-4-5]

This is a load of BS.

[Belasco]

Were you going for a disagree record?

[Eddie20101]

All this talk but no one has shown anything that substantiates any of the comments on Xbox One, nothing.

AMD, Intel, and Nvidia were referring to PC"s, and I think they made no mention of Xbox One.

[ITPython]

So DX12 will double the XB1 performance? That means Mantle will double the PS4 performance as well. Which leaves the XB1 back to where it started, being 50% less powerful than the PS4.

XB1 users will believe anything, won't they? What's next, DX12 making the 360 twice as powerful as the PS3? I guess MS is relying on the "Tell a lie enough times and it becomes truth" concept. And it's really sad how many are falling for their deceptive ways.

Proof is in the pudding though, and it is 100% guaranteed that the XB1 will always be significantly behind the PS4 in terms of performance simply because of the hardware differences.

[Kavorklestein]

Mantle is not on the PS4, and it would do little to improve anything since it already has a extremely low level API.

This is completely different. I see it like this. If the cores in the X1 really ARE stacked, and the full 8 cores aren't truly being utilized like this article is saying, then this WILL be a significant boost in CPU efficiency.

I don't know how much of a boost, but if the info on this article as well as other articles is any indication, it's benefit will be real, and it WILL be helpful. HOW helpful remains to be seen of course.

As far as cloud computing goes, I think that people are not thinking outside the box enough.
It is totally possible to find a way to boost gaming using the cloud. But we need to change our understanding of what the cloud is.

Here's one of my ideas.

What if people who have a pc in their household could use their gaming pc to help process/draw/offload/buffer/or render high res images through the Xbox 1? What if "the cloud" could simply be a way of saying "your pc on your own local network" can help your xbox 1 render/draw the images/frames/textures/shadows /post-processing/anti-aliasing / anisotropic filtering/or other types of additional effects to enhance the graphical appearance etc. that your games require, to run at higher resolutions or at higher frame rates with more fidelity/enhancements???
It has already been shown two separate forces can be used to produce or enhance an image, IE: in the same way that two GPU's can be enabled to work in SLi of Crossfire configurations on a gaming PC.

Nobody has really seemed to have thought of this, and it could be entirely possible, whether they explicitly used the local area network to do this, or a combination of the local area network COMBINED with the HDMI pass-through on the xb1 to sync both GPUs and CPUs to work together to render the games we play???

It's not only possible, but if all else fails in getting the cloud WE KNOW IT AS to benefit the Xbox 1, this is yet another poker card that Microsoft could play to innovate the way we play games.
This kind of "dreaming" and thinking outside of the box is why the Xbox brand and Microsoft as a whole entices/excites me as a gamer FAR MORE than Playstation and Sony ever has.

I'm not saying that Sony doesn't have tricks up their sleeves either, or that they aren't capable of executing advanced changes to their console either.Of course they are. And of COURSE we could be surprised by the future that ANY technology focused corporations bring.
BUT! as far as implementing these things from a financial standpoint/expensive R&D, to having the actual know how, ambition, and/or ingenuity to even bring these game changing things to the future of technology, I firmly believe:

That Microsoft indefinitely has the MOST/Biggest statistical probability of REALLY bringing us, and the world, the future of gaming tech AND technology as a whole, better than any company in the history of existence.

The thing that saddens ME, is that so many people are only thinking about what's inside their consoles. Like the ram and the gpu etc. But they aren't thinking OUTSIDE the box.
And the folk that SOME folks call fools, may actually be in the right camp all along.

After all, didn't Microsoft lead the pack in making our online gaming services on consoles be as big as it is today? Yes they certainly did.
Not saying games with gold is better than PS plus I actually am jealous how awesome PS plus is.

Both companies have their strong suits, but I digress.

So, since gaming as a whole is why we're here, let's remain hopeful, for Sony, AND Microsoft, AND Nintendo. Happy Gaming!!!!

[Gamer1982]

OMG sick of these BS articles by people clearly obsessed with trying to prove something already. The fact of the matter is The PS4 has better hardware and Direct X wont change that. In fact Sony has it in its favour that it doesn't have to use an API like Direct X look at mantle for example which goes around Direct X on PC and gets a performance boost. This is because you still have to run everything through the API on Xbox and PC games that use Direct X. As for double the performance?? Where do they get this from?? And why are they even talking about Xbox one and Nvidia in the same article? Nvidia has NOTHING to do with that console. They were obviously talking about the performance gains on there card thanks to mantle giving the gains on AMD.

See this is where confusion lies I think and why people think DX12 will be a gamechanger and are confused. DX12 will bring nVidia to a level near mantle has brought AMD this is because the API will be a lot lighter on resources as its mostly made for tablets etc.. So you would in theory get Mantle performance on an nVidia card. So nVidia come out and say its gonna boost performance over DX11 a lot and thats true ON NVIDIA CARDS! The xbox runs on AMD! As does PS4. So it would make a minor differnce.

If MS really want to bring Xbox back upto PS4 level they need give you an option to turn off all your TV stuff etc.. As that hogs resources that could be used for gaming. Then game devs could include a 1080p option for when you turn it off and a 720p option for those who want the TV etc.. options. That stuff takes a lot of memory and cpu power.

[xboxnation2013]

damn dude you almost got 300 dislikes lol the hate is real. i personally perfer xbox over the other consoles aswell not saying its the must have choice tho just my opinion. im no tech geek but this sounds like good news if its true

[pyramidshead]

lol frigy aww you got a pity bubble :p

I think I'll wait until 2017 when the xbone has finished its beta testing. Seems like all this console power it's got is still a long ways off being unlocked. No point in buying one right now. PS4 can pretty much do what the Xbone will do in the future right off the bat now it seems, no wonder people are snapping it up like hot cakes :D.

[solar]

oh boy. this is not going to go over well for the Sony Extremists.

[medman]

@frigiddarkness
And the dumb get dumber. These poor chuckled#cks will believe anything, mostly because they are so desperate to believe in something to make dat bone more worthy. Magic cloouuddzzz and now this garbage. Microsoft is laughing at you all and you're the sheep being led to the slaughter, only to find blood and death inside those doors. Poor, poor, sheep.

[cozomel]

So let me get this straight, this guy has almost 3x more disagrees than agrees (287 disagrees vs 103 agrees). Yet he gets a "Well said" instead of trolling?! when this guys is just saying some silly fanboyish marketing sounding nonsense. And the XO is truly next gen? really? is that why BF4, COD, KI, DR3, MGS, TF and more are all 720p on the X1 but 1080p (except for BF4/900p) on the PS4? Yeah, truly next gen. Sign me up for some of that stuff, NOT! You fanboys and your constant wanting to believe in the secret sauce

[LoveOfTheGame]

By all of those games, what you mean is COD and MGS. BF4 is 900p, as you stated, and the others do not exist on PS4.

So, Xbone is next gen, because it has those games that PS4 does not. You know this little thing called exclusives, aka what people used to buy consoles for.

[cozomel]

So i take it logic aint your strong point, cuz what you said makes no sense what so ever. Really guy, your argument to me is what makes a consoles next gen is exclusives? Man, the arguments just keep getting dumber and dumber. And yes BF$ is 900p vs X1's 720p and a worst framerate, so thats a over 44% increase in performance

[christrules0041]

I bought a evga superclocked 4gb gtx 760. But I don't expect it to outperform a titan going from directx11 to directx12 (2 gtx 760s in sli gets 40% more performance then a titan).

[bennissimo]

lol at the SDF diehards saying that improved software can't improve performance.

[tee_bag242]

I'll believe this when I see it. I call BS. MS are flailing.
Even if true, I'd rather enjoy the benefits of DX12 on my gaming PC before I buy a X1.

[HammerKong]

hey why so many dissagres,this guy didn't say anything wrong about ps4 ,this tell the insecureness about all ps4 fanboys,are these fanboys out of their mind,how anyboy can have so much hate in their heads.

[rocketpanda]

....because "the cloud" was supposed to next-gen. Now DX12 will magically double the performance, what's next?

I would rather see evidence of this...until then I will take this as PR BS!

[beerzombie]

You now have been voted and are the president "X1 Hated" of N4G

[RAGE91]

Did you forget to pu the "/s"

[Dubaman]

@Saigon
Dude, you're over analysing it. My point is, the Cell was championed as the big difference in 'power' when compared to everything else that has ever been before. It did not show this potential. As you said, GTAV is near identical on both systems, even with the time devs had to work past the difficulties of the Cell. DX12 hasn't even been released or shown off yet but its already considered a load of balls.
I don't really care about DX12 this, OpenGL that. I was just pointing out that when one system has something unique that hasn't shown anything it promised; 'its difficult, give it time'. Yet, another system that has something unique, which hasn't even had the chance to show any of its promises yet, its "All talk".

[MetaReapre]

Yea this is exciting news not only for xb1 owners but pc gamers as well. I'm very excited for this!

[ArbitorChief]

Wow, if true could be a complete game changer, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Statements from AMD, Nvidia, and Intel are good enough for me to be a believer.

[incendy35]

Exactly, NVIDIA even stopped development of their Parallel solutions after DX12 was announced. DX12 is a complete game changer as far as CPU bound operation in graphics.

[Baka-akaB]

er , they are praising Direct X 12 itself and its obvious effects on the pc world . I expect the xb1 to get a boost from it too . But i certainly dont expect the same leap than on pc , at least not at face value and as some kind of wet dream , like you seem to do .

[fr0sty]

Except they're talking about its effects on the PC world, not Xbox One. Even on PC, it won't be a 100% increase, but removing the overhead of previous direct x versions will definitely increase performance.

On console, devs already had an APU that let them code much closer "to the metal" than the PC directx api did. DX12 will bring a few improvements, but the difference on console won't be anywhere near as dramatic as on PC.

PC is getting the boost because, until now, DX prevented devs from ever fully utilizing the hardware. EVen now they still won't be able to on PC, because their games still have to be made to run on a wide range of hardware configs. DX12 will help though.

X1 and PS4 are closed systems, so their APIs are geared more towards taking full advantage of their hardware. X1 will benefit because there are likely upgrades in DX12 that will make BETTER use of its hardware, but there isn't 100% worth of hidden power waiting to be unlocked.

[Gamer1982]

Exactly DX12 will make a differnce on nvidia cards compared to mantle. Not on Xbox compared to PS4. People are either confused to this fact or just plain ignorant to it.

[0neShot]

"the difference on console won't be anywhere near as dramatic as on PC"

You didn't know that console architecture is the same as the PC? Even so of dedicated software and hardware design of the consoles? Geesh. Your argument is plain wrong.

[fr0sty]

Consoles aren't running resource hogging operating systems and extremely limiting APIs for graphics like PCs do. That is why Mantle and DX12 exist... to bridge that gap. PC games also have to be made to scale across a bunch of hardware configurations, and have to be programmed to run smoothly on their minimum system spec, which is usually what most would call a mid-range PC.

[pyramidshead]

You believed MisterX on all sorts of garbage frigy, you were so certain on a lot of things. This statement of yours doesn't hold much weight at all.

[HammerKong]

yeah budy thats enough to belive it,thing is that now all sony fanboys are very worriend about their super powerul machine.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Hmmmmmm this is like getting a brand new console of the future with the latest and greatest GPIu technology totally awesome.

[DoesUs]

Words fail me.....Still think there's something in there huh?....tut tut.

@below. Yes.

[player002]

AMD,Intel and Nvidia all confirm this you calling them liars and you think you know better then them with your armchair dev degree?XB1 will get more powerful and DX12 early access is this year expect to see lots more @ E3 @ above you think those companies are lying about the gains smh

[Ben Dover]

But what about the cloud?! Oh I see we shifted our focus to DX12 as the messiah that will magically make inferior hardware supreme. There's already a large gap with the PS4, what makes you think the PS4 won't improve on graphics / performance either with every new game that gets released?

@Player002, did it occur to you that those companies invested in the console and contains hardware created by them? You expect them to downplay their own investment? :|

[fr0sty]

MS has mastered the art of keeping their fanbase in denial.

"Just wait!!! Super powers are right around the corner!"

They've successfully played on the lack of knowledge of how hardware and software work among their fanbase and have captivated their imaginations by throwing around technical sounding buzzwords with the promise of improvement.

[MRMagoo123]

@player002

Those companies didnt confirm anything about the xbone being 2 times as powerful, all they did was talk about PC, people like you and frigid are the ones that believe crap like misterx thats why you always end up looking silly in the end.

[andrewsqual]

1.3 teraflop GPU now outputs at 2.6, awesome ^_^
The 3 operating systems ADORED by the hardcore gamers that purchased the console i.e everybody here, have been halved to 1.5 also ^_^

[rainslacker]

Jesus. Are you trying to see how long it takes you to get banned? Of the first four comments, you are taking 3, and you have to bring this fan boy nonsense that adds absolutely nothing to the topic and only goes to bait the idiots who can't recognize you as a troll and completely derailing any intelligent discussion whatsoever.

[Kayant]

So we should also be expecting mass GPU heating issues then.

"As a result, that GPU will be getting pushed twice as hard as it previously was which means more heat on cards that might have only barely been cool enough when they were only being commanded by a single CPU core. We expect to see many marginal video cards setup to experience over heating issues as DirectX 12 suddenly pushes these cards beyond what the IHV had anticipated."
http://www.neowin.net/news/...

Also am guessing repi (Johan Andersson) was talking out of ass when he said BF4 code was running in *parallel*. Also both consoles only have 6 cores for games not 8.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

But yh this will be fun to watch going forward.

Well if we don't have parity in Witcher 3, The division etc then you will know what's up.

Also go look at the benchmarks for mantle like this one --> http://www.techspot.com/rev... with relation to the parts of the XB1 and see how much difference it makes.

[player002]

yes makes sense now doesn't it why the Xbox One is so big with a huge heatsink and huge fan with half the system having a open vent hmmm the company that makes DX12 makes their console prepared for it guess thats a stretch huh? looks like they built the system around DX12 knew it would get hotter and built the sytem accordingly its called R&D people and soon you will witness it I can't wait

[Kayant]

Or maybe they didn't want a repeat of what happened with the X360. Also they wanted their console to be slient as possible. A bigger fan has a larger surface area and wouldn't have to run/work as fast as a smaller one meaning you get less noise.

Do I need to go quote Albert Panello and his direct x/performance comments before launch and how it all turned out to be mostly side-tracking/damage control.

Am sure you also know that XB1 is a console and doesn't use the same D3D as PC. There is also the Mono driver that was added a while back -->

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Edit -

So what about PC gamers are they expecting people to go out and start buying more fans/ new cases if needed because of DX12 because you know this update is also coming to the PC.

[ger2396]

So why not say this during their reveal? If they built it around dx12, and it indeed doubles its performance. You figure they would be touting this at every chance they get. If true it would make the price a non issue.

[2v1]

but but we have clear skys now , no more cloud

[alexkoepp]

What would they say?

"uh, we've built our console for tech that is still not in use yet, so out of the gate you are going to see games performing better on our competitors console. But don't worry it'll be twice as good in the future, we just have to rush to market now so Sony doesn't get too big of a jump on us in initial install base"

[nicksetzer1]

Yes, using neogaf as a source is much more reliable that every single GPU/cpu manufacturer as well as someone who is actually currently using the software, and used the old .... not to mention xbox one was made to be extremely cool, so much so it doesn't even have to use a fan to stay cooler than the ps4 (however, it has a huge fan, why? Most likely foresight)

[Kayant]

Am not using neogaf as a source. Am using what repi said on youtube video. The only reason neogaf is linked is because what he said was written out. If it makes you so happy I can direct link to the video --> https://www.youtube.com/wat...
http://bf4central.com/2013/...
Neogaf is a news aggregator much so like n4g so I don't know why you're trying to disregard the source when it's not neogaf itself( as in a random from a member) but youtube. It would be in the same light as it being silly for me to disregard the news you posted earlier about unannounced MS studios just because you posted.

"not to mention xbox one was made to be extremely cool, so much so it doesn't even have to use a fan to stay cooler than the ps4" - Again you also forgetting this update is coming to *PCs and mobile phones* - So what appears to does devices now? Do phones suddenly start blowing up because of the increased heat from this update?

The point is MS had a hard time with failure rates with the X360, they also wanted a very quiet system meaning a big fan makes sense because of what I said below. They are also not a hardware manufacturer first so their hardware expertises is not the same as Sony's.

@incendy35

So you're saying MS don't care about their PC or mobile customers/partners since they wouldn't be taking into consideration that those devices weren't created with DX12 in mind and are willing to let those devices have increased GPU temps affecting the device's lifespan....

Also it's funny how performance matters now to some people.

[incendy35]

This won't be an issue with X1 as much as it will on PC's. On X1 developers know exactly what each machine will do performance wise. Kind of the beauty of consoles.

[Bigpappy]

Obviously, they will have to let people know which cards are compatible with Dx12. Just like with other Dx upgrades, the software could check for required cards before installing.

I am willing to wait on results before singing Dx12 high praises. But as others have pointed out, all of the graphics chip makers are singing it high praises, so I have a lot of confidence that Dx12 will make a huge difference to PC and X1 performance. Attempts to downplay such a hugely backed development is just as ill advises as singing it high praises.

[tee_bag242]

It doesn't mean it will be working twice as hard perce'. Improvements are likely from efficiently - driver efficiency . Still x2.. not a chance

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Video discusses very recent back and forth with the author of this article and confirms the statements made by Wardell.

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

[MorePowerOfGreen]

LOL at this being reported. It's new news from a dev saying he knows the tech and knows it boosts the XB1 based on software he's working on. How is this a duplicate story?

[Kayant]

So MS and Phil Spencer were lying were they said this --> https://twitter.com/XboxP3/...

"Under the hood, Forza achieves this by using the efficient low-level APIs already available on Xbox One today. Traditionally this level of efficiency was only available on console – now, Direct3D 12, even in an alpha state, brings this efficiency to PC and Phone as well." --> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

Yh a developer that doesn't know that the XB1 only uses 6 cores for games. Yep am sure he's hard at work making a game using all does 8 cores on XB1 right now /s.

That article was about PC development more so than XB1.

[revben]

If you watch the direct x build preview on channel 9, you will hear the presenter say directx will make xbox even more efficient, so although xbox is close to the metal, it will be getting even closer.

[ITPython]

@revben - Nobody is denying that it will make the XB1 a little bit more efficient, but to say it will DOUBLE it's performance is absolutely ludicrous beyond ludicrous.

[redcar121]

X1 is getting better and better

[Hellsvacancy]

How can you believe stuff like this?

If i'm proven wrong great, I could be potential future XB1 customer

I just don't believe MS has it them to tell the truth, simple as that

[tee_bag242]

And this is where I've grown my dislike for MS..
Tired of being nickeled and dimed every step of the way. Sony is simply the lesser of two evils this gen.

[polow got sol]

With dx12 xbox one will be the most powerful console in history

[Allsystemgamer]

If you actually believe this you're a fool and extremely gullible. If it was possible they would have demonstrated it by now. There is not a point in keeping anything hidden now that both consoles are out and x1 is losing the race.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

but how can you show something if its not ready, Dx12 doesnt come out till next year

[MRMagoo123]

@trd4

If they havent even finished it yet how on earth can they say it "WILL" double performance ? It is obviously not proven at all and is basically just talk and PR as your own point proves right? i know the answer so dont bother replying

[Xavy]

HAHAH :)

[GarrusVakarian]

That sounds like something Brain would say from 'Pinky and the Brain', lol.

"With dx12 xbox one will be the most powerful console in history...and we will use it to take over the worrrrld".

Although, i don't think Brain would be stupid enough to actually believe that ;) Crazy to think that some people actually believe that a software update could change HARDware performance by double. MS would have been touting this from the rooftops since day one if it was true. No company in their right mind would let themselves be ridiculed this much for a year+ if they knew a software update was going to make their console twice as powerful. Nor would any company in their right mind let their fans believe their console was the weaker console for a year+ if it wasn't.

[XBOTTOX]

Step into the world outside of the interwebs. Your not as loud as you think on these forums. Software damn near quadrupled performance on last gen consoles. Stop hootin n hollerin about what a company would do. Go play your PlayStation and read up on PlayStation games.

[GarrusVakarian]

"Step into the world outside of the interwebs."

Nope, it's much more interesting here than it is out there. If you lived where i live, you would understand.

"Software damn near quadrupled performance on last gen consoles"

The funniest thing anyone has ever said on this website. Congrats.

"Go play your PlayStation and read up on PlayStation games."

No thanks, im too busy playing Titanfall at the moment, haven't even turned on my PS4 in 4 days. Thanks for the suggestion though :) And if i wanted to be "loud", i wouldn't have commented halfway down the article, lmao. I genuinely enjoy the personal hatred some people have with me on this site, personal attacks are the absolute lowest form of discussion...in fact, it isn't even discussion, it's last resort pettiness due to the fact you have NO counter argument. Lmao.

Lol @ your username.

[XBOTTOX]

Arggh!!! Lukas wins again.!! Lmao I'm so dang funny lmao!! Lmao I'm so petty I have personal hate towards this online avatarr!! He is absolutely right all the time!! Arrghh!!! I am stupid because lukas sayz so!!

[GarrusVakarian]

Above^^^

I win again?!

YESSSSSSSSS! Just what my ego needed. I'm so glad i didn't lose.

......What are we competing for again?

[kenshiro100]

Thanks for giving me that laugh, seriously.

[dazzrazz]

Double performance my ass ! You gotta love the PR bullshit talk :D

[HaydenJameSmith]

so a developer is a PR manager for MS now ?

[Master-H]

With the right amount of money hatting.. he very well could be.

[AnteCash]

Any person that knows basic stuff about computers will tell you that it horseshit.
Go ask on a PC centric website and prepare to be ridiculed.

[Grimhammer00]

I realize Dx-- is big deal. I get it.
but I don't recall Dx11 being double the performance of pre-dx11.

Not saying that these things directly correlate but I sense that MS is very keen to say anything or have sympathisers say anything to give them good PR.

I'm of the mindset that somethings shouldn't be forgiven. No matter how much forced change occurs.

[rainslacker]

True, but DX12 does bring something new. The direct access to hardware(close to metal) will show substantial gains compared to prior versions which were all software. Every gen of DX is mostly just optimized software, with some new stuff added in to take advantage of more current hardware.

However, the gains to a closed system where the API's already offer close to metal coding will see a less noticeable difference. Most of the advances will come more from the more optimized code.

DX12 and Mantale are a pretty big deal for the PC users out there, because it hasn't been an option up until now.

[CEOSteveBallmer]

Good news for xbox fanboys. But don't get too cocky, Xbone isn't the only console Improving. Words of wisdom for those who forgot "Software can improve but hardware will not".

[urwifeminder]

Even half the gains they claim will be awesome unreal 4 dx12 will rock people underestimate the changes DX brings so excited to see the pc improvements.

[jerethdagryphon]

Even if software can double some proforma nice aspects it's still limited by hardware that's a fact no matter how clever the code you cannot make a George 8800 preform like a titan . P's4 has more gpu cores. And there own code will be evolving.

[blahblah123]

Double performance? Misleading. SOME operations will double with efficiency but it's not like Forza will be running at 4k next week all the sudden. The real performance gains but happen when you remove an abstraction layer and allow lower level coding. Something the PS4 has from get-go. Ask Corrinne Yu.

Imagine. People laughed that you had to code to the SPUs to get performance gains on PS3. All the sudden it's a good thing when DX12 opens up more to-the-metal coding.

Hilarious. What about the cloud?

[Ukdude]

Xbox One was not planned to be released last year,give it a year,,,,

[KillerPwned]

Without a doubt DirectX12 will help the Xbox One but double its performance!? Its only DirectX12 not a hole new GPU.

Give me some direct stats MS.

But besides excited to see release of DirectX12 on PC.

[supergrobi1]

DX11 is still a single core stack, DX12 is like power fuel going new ways to optimize the whole rendering. The Xbox One will outperform the PS4, its built for DX12, even DDR3 plays an important role to make this possible, with its low latency.

[ichdich]

Good to know.

[Xavy]

We will see.

[Allsystemgamer]

Lol doubt it even if it's coming from AMD and Co. They ALL have been caught lying.

Look at mantle. Yea sure it improves performance but the visual quality changes.

So sure, it doubles performance in 2x but in what way? It doesn't mean graphically and frame rates necessarily.

[AnteCash]

Bah you dont get it guys, there are nanomachines in the power brick, when you install dx12 nanobots go into the x1 and start to upgrade the hardware.

Simple.

[ITPython]

Oh boy... you just opened up a can of worms with that one. N4G article inbound: "Hidden nanites improve XB1 performance by 60,000%; Plus the XB1 utilizes quantum bits for it's cloud service"

The sad thing is that this is more believable than DX12 magically doubling the performance of the XB1.

[beebap]

Brillant! This has to be true microsoft now showing advanced nanotech just like cloud computing because anything was shown is not possible today.In future tho..

[supergrobi1]

Whats the problem, buy a XBox One and have fun, DX11 is still a single core stack, the One ist built for DX12. DX12 unleashes its power, thats hard for the Sony Fanboys, but that is, what AMD and NVidia confirmed.

[Obamanationn]

Direct X12 is big on the PC side bring close to the metal performence , it already does that in DX11 on Xbox One DX12 does nothing for performance lol

[koliosis]

Hail Microsoft!

[boing1]

Yes. I'm sure dx12 will ignore the law of physics. And cure cancer.

[AceBlazer13]

Omg the cloud is gonna give it 10 times the power and dx12 is gonna double it's power :D .The Xbone is gonna put a couple pcs to shame. /s

Lol couldn't even post that with a straight face, how do xb fanboys do it.

[Infamous298]

Excuses used by xbox one fanboys to hide xbox one weak hardware in chronoligcal order:

1)Cloud
2)ESRAM
3)dGPU rumor
4)DX12

Man, Xbox fanboys never cease to amaze me.

[Why o why]

On to the next one aey.....lmao

Surely this isnt how its going to be for the whole gen... rhetoric vs proof

[Gravity_DoGG]

So now its 20x more power lol :b

[Subaruwrx]

According to MS, DirectX12 won't be coming to The X1 until Holiday 2015. Seems a bit early to be getting excited about it. http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

[Illusive_Man]

Phil Spencer said parts of the new api will be implemented before 2015.

[boeso]

My, emotions!!!

[Gr1mmyshadows]

we wont know till next year when this Dx12 thing is out and about

[MCTJim]

I agree..X1 was rushed out 1 year ahead of schedule. This is how it all should have been in the first place. next 8+ months will see the X1 getting into its true grove.

Everything that was said with the Granite SDK/Tiled Resources/DX12 is what the system was originally designed for. The hardware is already there, the software was not. Late 2014 and 2015- is going to see more usage of this. Its a real shame they rushed to get the system out the door to compete with Sony...They should have just waited the year. Hopefully with Phil Spencer in charge...the bone heads that did all this damage are now gone..MS will now be in the right direction.

[blackout]

If Microsoft would have delayed there console, Sony might have 10 million ps4's sold. Both systems are out. And as of right now there are no games to be hooting and hollering about for either console. Console usually hit there stride around the two to three year mark. Things are going to HEAT up very soon. Enjoy gaming, this generation is going to be a fun ride. You will miss out if you don't have both consoles. (BUY BOTH SYSTEMS)

[DoubleM70]

Yup very true. I hope people that bought PS4 consider haven both machines because it would be a win win situation for everybody.

[Tempest317]

@Blackout @ DoubleM70

I have a ps4, and I swore off x1 at launch because imo MS screwed up a LOT of stuff both this gen and last gen. However, I've been recently thinking about giving it another shot...price is stopping me. Not because I care about the $100 price difference or anything, but because I can't justify spending that kind of money for a system with pretty much no exclusives FOR ME (capitalized so everyone actually reads that I am not saying the system has no exclusives). Halo is really it, and no game is worth spending an extra 500 to play, or even 400. There are 9 games coming out by the end of May that I am getting. 1 is pc, 1 is ps3, the rest are multiplatform. I have really no incentive to pick up an x1, but as soon as I see some really great content and/or a decent price drop I will own an x1.

[beebap]

Yes will eventually get xbox one but at minute I dont want to give microsoft more money than give sony for weaker system.No games interest me yet either and not big halo fan i enjoyed alan wake but really want new ips not fps. Project spark looks intersting but it also on pc so no reason for to get xbox one.Also if im going to pay extra to have kinect in system bring proper games for it as ps4 has voice commands.

[OpieWinston]

I can see this working but the only issue is the GPU over heating...I'm sure that Microsoft took this into account but I could see an increase in failure rates...Maybe even as high as 10% when you start pushing the GPU...In the next 3-5 years.

[Gr1mmyshadows]

that would explain the XB1 looking like one big vent

[BcozoftheImplication]

What a loud of horse shit!!

[EXVirtual]

Hahaha! Are you kidding me?
Baring in mind the fact that the xbone isn't even getting the full package of DX12 and the fact that this is SOFTWARE, you people seriously believe that your xbox one is going to DOUBLE in performace? My good.

I really can't wait until this gets debunked. Xbox fanboys keep flip flopping. One minute, graphics and resolution don't matter, the next, they're grasping at the straws created by the Cloud and now, DX12.

[frankied101]

What if it doesn't get debunked.... Will u continue to troll and Blow 😱😱😱 all things Xbox??

[EXVirtual]

I'm no troll.
This is a simple fact. It will get debunked. Time and time again, rumors of the Xbox one being stronger, whether it be through teh Cloud, the double gpu bs, xbots always rise like meerkats and start talking crap about how it's a 'game-changer'. Every time, it's debunked.
This one is even worse. They're telling you that the dumbed down version of DX12 (again, software, NOT hardware) is going to double performance? Has this ever happened before? With anything?
Yes, software can help out hardware, but the hardware is the baseline. Software can only help so much.

[VegasDawg]

So what you are saying is you know more than AMD, Nividia, Intel and MS? WoW!!!!!

[azure1990]

Oh my god. You have companies like Nvidia and AMD. Both coming out to say it's true.Yet Sony fanboys work around it and say it's bullshit. But wait if this was about Sony they would be all over it saying it's true. Jesus christ can Xbox have one good article without it being called bullshit. Get over it fanboys.

[Mouseketool]

why doesnt he mention that microsoft themselves said for x1 itll be a 20% cpu performance boost during the dx12 presentation. and for pc it can be up to 50% performance.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L...

[Kennytaur]

The way I see it; yes, developers can already code to the metal on the XO, but with DX12 it'll probably be a lot easier and more common among less tech-savvy devs as well. How big the improvement will be will vary from game to game, so let's let the developers speak the numbers, but this can't be seen as anything but good for all of us.

Sony fanboys shouldn't be hating, it makes them look jealous and rude. What if Sony announced a large improvement in API for the Playstation? We'd probably see the same articles claiming the second coming and ten times the naughtyflops. Advances in one camp will trickle into the other and vice versa.

[NatureOfLogic_]

Clouds + dx12 = super secret sauce

[GarrusVakarian]

Actually, cloud power would be super secret *vapour*, not sauce XD.

[guyman]

so The cloud will quadruple the one's power and now the direct X 12 will also double it.

news just in that halo 5 will also triple the one's power over and above the cloud's and direct x increase.

[deerain]

What I want to know is why all of a sudden has Microsoft pulled all this power out of there a**, I mean Direct X could they have not done this earlier or did they have to wait for a rival to push them!!

[VegasDawg]

The system was optimized to use this software but they rushed out Xbone a year early to compete with Sony.

[deerain]

I am thinking more along the lines of the PC version, Mantle comes out then all of a sudden Microsoft announce DX12 which is meant to be more of an improvement than Mantle. You are probably right about the Xbox at the end of the day who cares if there's a difference in texture quality or a slight resolution difference its what ever console you want to play on. I don't like the exclusive thing going on forcing you to choose or miss out. Personally I went the PC route because Sony said games would be the same price as PS3 then Gamestop charge more anyway.

[jhoward585]

MS has already increase the x1's cpu/gpu clock speed. Direct X 12 is going to push the x1's hardware even further. Major HEAT issues there.

To my conclusion, I think its already too late because the x1's motherboard/hardware/heat sink design are design minimize the heating issue to a point.

If MS does decide to make a demo to show off what direct x 12 can do..I would also like them to provide us a benchmark test too to see if the x1's hardware can run for long hours with out oever-heating. a 2-5 mins demo of DX12 is only going to show the x1 can preform for short period of time.

[mezati99]

i am sorry but this is a complete BULLSHIT i mean how the fuck can you believe this ?!

[frankied101]

Is it bad to make an xb1 fan happy. If they voice they're excitement on an xb trend do kill joys have to get on they're knees and blow they're happiness? Truly only time will tell that's it... Period. Nothing else only time. Ppl who say they're isn't proof...Well they're isn't proof against it either relax and enjoy. Xb1 sounds like its doing it thing. I love my xb1. Easily sell for 400+ and buy a PS4 Target has a couple in stock... But I'm happy I like reading news about a bright future on my next gen investment. Let me life Dammit let me LIVE!!

[Scatpants]

Double,riiiiight.

[urwifeminder]

It may not work out that way with performance but it certainly has quadrupled the butt hurt lol thanks for the laughs guys I really appreciate it.

[TheTowelBoy]

Gotta have dat hope for the followers, but I seriously doubt it will be that drastic :P all the best though!

[wcas]

If this is true then X1 will soon be able to run all games 1080P 60FPS no problem.....right? However, I believe this to be more overhyped MS PR. Put up or shut up MS. I am tired of all this BS PR. I know they want to sell more consoles but Dam#.

[Jumper09]

No.

60fps games with a framebuffer more than 32mb (and most have that already) wont get to 1080p.

The GPU in the Xbone is simply not made for 1080p games. Of course you can get 1080p but you have to cut a lot of things.

[Illusive_Man]

That is a flat out lie. If you just take the rumors that the GPU is similar to a 7790 at face value, it shouldn't have any problems running games at 1080p.

You Sony fans make it seem like the GPU is a damn ATI x700 pro from like 10 years ago.

[Jumper09]

God please, News like this are stupid and full of delusional Bullshit.

You wont get double the performance out. Its impossible. Software cant chage the missing Hardware power.

Why can Xbone Fans not stop fighting the fight about Power? They will lose.
Accept the Xbone for what it is.

[GiantFriendlyCrab]

MS: "wait till 2015 for double performance",
MS in 2015: its been delayed wait till 2016

and then 2017 and still nothing

lol MS and their lies, they are lying scumbags with shitty business practices. Never going to support them again.

[Ligerzero_007]

I hate to disagree with Red Dragon here, but DX12 will not give that much of a boost to X1. It will give it maybe an extra 12% at most. X1's ESRAM coupled with DDR3 were a mistake to put into the X1 in the first place. The only way the X1 will ever beat PS4 in terms of power is to change the entire architecture of the system. Plus the cloud is already proving to NOT be the great white knight MS was counting on it being. Titanfall is the perfect example of this (the non-fanboys know what I'm talking about here). Don't get me wrong, the X1 is a great system, but it can't compete with PS4 in sheer power because of its weaker architecture.

[thexmanone]

And you are? Thanks for your opinion.

[jhoward585]

I don't think MS can double the x1s hardware, maybe like 15%. But not double.

[_LarZen_]

If DX12 will double the performance on a XBO I cant wait to play DX12 games on my PC.....

[lonewolfjedi]

if you didnt know red dragon is a xbox fanboy. he even did a interview with another xbox fanboy by the name nxtgen720 who claims he has a $12,000 pc.

[grassyknoll]

There is no way an extra software layer will offer performance exceeding coding to the metal in a console (like no where near), but will definitely make creating games easier & streamline API's.

[True_Samurai]

Wow, good to hear from AMD, Nvidia, etc. Don't care what these "armchair developers" say they pretend to know something by googling it. I'll let the games do the tellin. I see that anything positive towards xb1 is automatically shot down. But remember people these are big name companies saying this

[Mr_Luke]

Edited my post, since i think it's useless to post something. Xbone fanboys will believe this and they'll use it in every stupid article.

[Slothnut]

Awesome. Can't wait to see how games play with dx12 on my local 40ms west coast azure server on a 0 ms Samsung plasma. You can feel the ping difference in shooters the most. It's getting close to lan party speeds. So nice.

[nix]

i like the array of neon lights in his room...

[Plagasx]

This makes me very happy. I want both X1 and PS4 to be great consoles.

[horndog]

Good thing the n4g devs are here to correct the pros at amd and nvidia. I almost bought into their bs for a second until the real pros at n4g showed us the light./s

[thexmanone]

Well Said!! bubble up for you

[dsammy04]

Lets all just wait til e3 of 2014/2015. This is where all demonstration of any future console technology will be displayed. Until then neither MS or Sony respective camps can be disproven on the directX 12 debacle. Lets just stop this pointless bickering. Its still year 1 of the consoles they both better get better. We have at least 6+ yrs for better software implementation.

You people will slit each other throats over an article to prove a
point that no one can confirm. Til then just enjoy your games on the console you chose. Simple enough

[razrye]

I'll come back in a couple of years. See what's what then. Until then am sticking with the PROVEN more powerful console.

[mysteryraz11]

We will see, though xbox ones performance will improve, anyways and consoles are so effecient not just because of coding to the metal, but because developers know what they are targeting on consoles due to the consoles all having the exact same hardware in them, in pcs its different because of all the different hardware setups, thats something you cant change

[DynDasE]

Now, we look back how developers appreciate DX11 on console gaming. lol

[DarXyde]

Interesting, but I am an eternal skeptic of all "secret sauce" claims. I'll believe that when I see it. It's a bold statement.

The testimonial statements seem to be talking about processors *in general*, NOT specifically the XBOX One. NVIDIA even specifies "existing orders of cards", possibly suggesting cards that aren't to-the-metal in access, which, as I recall, most cards are not.

[sovkhan]

100% performance jump??? Not gonna happens even if elves and Dwarves help writing the Code...

From 10% to 40% jump is possible and even then what prevent Sony from going the same route? DX 12 is nothing more than DX+mantle.

All this look like DC to me, but we will figure it out soon enough :)

[Jumper09]

From 10 to 40 is not possible when the Hardware is not there, when will people understand that for fucks sake?

[sovkhan]

Optimisation is always possible whatever hardware you have...

But then again, optimisation is not sided with Micrososft alone, or Sony alone...

Wherever there are clevers people, you can expect optimisations to be made...So in the end of the day the 10% to 40% jump will be on both consoles.

Anyone believing it is DX12 only is ...No need to tell you already know what i mean.

[Borma]

Hope this works out for X1 owner's. I thought MS was joking with the Beta Tested in the future stuff. Imagine if Microsoft went non cheap mode and we heard this news. GDDR5 + DX12 + Cloud. Yeesh. And it's a shame it will be over a year before either ever begin to show up.

[candy_mafia]

I want this to be true, because it opens the gates to all possibilities for, not just Xbox One, but PC, PS4, Wii U and/or future Nintendo hardware.

The sceptic in me says MS better be able to realistically achieve this on X1, or they may damage their reputation beyond repair this time around.

Gamers are forgiving, but there are limits.....

[AndyScooby]

Mirosofts r&d department lol
http://m.youtube.com/watch?...

[cbrcsg2001]

I'm pretty sure the only 2 people that believe this are Nxtgen720 & CrapgamerReviews... #Colapse #Snackem

[Sh0ckWav3]

well this sounds like its good news all around the gaming industry...Sony fans need to chill, I'm pretty sure Sony has there upgrades in the works..

[Back-to-Back]

XBOX is powered by Alien technology according to Microsoft.

--------

Actually is powered by a very old and mediocre gpu.

[KingKevo]

If I remember correctly, it is made of rocket science and 5 billion other things, as proven by this totally legit recap of the reveal event of the Xbox One: http://youtu.be/KOxdMQhDMIU...

That and the cloud.

..but yeah, you're probably still right though.

[GodGinrai]

The fact that articles like this STILL pops up and I see the same usual suspects in the comments tells me...You guys love a good argument... really...Just admit it, already..

[mikeyphi]

OMG!!! *rolls eyes*

[GodGinrai]

like.....Totally! *rolls eyes*

[josephayal]

def the most powerful console

[GoodnessGreatness]

PS4.

[KingKevo]

So you (these people and the guy in the vid) are saying that some new software does make the slightly bad and complicated hardware twice as good?

So that does either mean that the Xbox One as it is right now is a total fail technically because MS didn't manage to get it right and therefore should have waited before releasing it in that bad condition or it's just (like the cloud talk) all theoretical bs that won't affect anything really.

In the end your software can be as good as it want to be, the ultimate limitation always comes from the hardware and the facts on that do not lie: the Xbox One has a weaker hardware compared to its main competitor, the PS4 and is also much more complicated to handle because of the way the system is build; no DirectX version on the DirectX box One or magical cloud can change that fact. And the reality is that not just MS upgrades, Sony does this with its software too.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that MS and everyone keeps pushing their systems and are improving on them, that goes for all the others as well, but what I hate is this theoretical talk with no evidence. It's just marketing talk that sounds good to get people and devs maybe excited and interested, even though in the end when the results do come in most people will have forgotten about the broken promises, as always. Same goes for MS and the cloud. Again, it's good that they are doing it, but they should keep it more realistic.

[GoGoGadge7]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DirectX12 will surely help sure.

BUT it will hardly even come close to "DOUBLING" the performance of the overall system.

You can't change the hardware limitations. You can write better code and optimize for the system, but you can't change the physical threshold of the hardware.

[Predaking77]

You are totally right but this article is about believing in anything you want even if it doesn't have any logic. This article is like a heaven with no reality or rules, let's believe everything lol

I can flight by the way.

[aragon]

lol at least it didnt come from mistyerx just saying. when i see it in action i will believe it, its coming from a good source so might be true

[Dynasty2021]

Us PC players are laughing our asses off at this news.

You couldn't make up more rubbish.

To get DX12 to run you need a DX12 enabled card. And there isn't even one available for the PC yet.

How will the Xbox One's aged card from 2010-ish get DOUBLE the power?

This is such a load of rubbish. PCs can't do this. So consoles sure as HELL can't.

[GodGinrai]

"Us PC players are laughing our asses off at this news."

I also play a few games on PC *stands next to you and laughs* ...

But what about when I want to play forza, halo, sunset overdriver etc? *stands next to X1 guys and laughs at you*

Oh...wait...what about.... when I want to play GT7 and shadow of the beast? *Stands next to PS4 guys and laughs at you*

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

So who is really better off, dynasty? people like me ...or "PC gamers" like you? I dont think they are all lughing with you..I think some of them play X1 too.

[RealtorMDandDC]

For one, the Cloud means Always Online, Always Connected.

For example Titian Fall and Forza 5 are good examples and they are not using the power of the so call cloud to the most potential.

If a Next Generation console needs 2 years to compete with it's nearest competitor in terms of resolution and frame rate there's a problem.

X1 is not worth the price of admission for me this generation. I've always own at least two consoles...except this generation

[Predaking77]

I can't believe people still believe this magic secret sauce stuff. Hardware limitations cannot be fixed with software, it's a simple rule.

But now that we are in the mood of believing any kind of stuff, hey, I have smoke powers and can actually flight yay!!!

[Jumper09]

Yup Xbone fanboys who bought the wrong console still cant get over the fact that the hardware wont change.

Its really annoying to read such news here.

[kingdom18]

I call BS. If this were true, double the performance boost, we would be hearing it over a loud speaker from MS, over and over again, after tooting having the strongest console, when its been proven before that as is right now, the PS4 is better. Also, what's with these quotes that are brought out from thin air without any sources.

[Dirkster_Dude]

What people seem to forget DX12 is a multiplatform API. If you license it you can use it. There is absolutely no reason the PS4 couldn't use it if some developer wanted to. However, it is probable it would drive up costs of development. However, a PC game that might be a port from a PS4 console will almost definitely use it even though OpenGL which is closer to what the PS4 uses is also available simply because it is MORE optimized on the PC than the OpenGL APIs.

[bleedsoe9mm]

whilst it seems like a fantastical statement to make , i'm not sure why brad wardell would be carrying ms water .

[player002]

To all nay sayers Intel,Nvidia and Amd confirm this you all are a joke thinking you know more than them.Full DX12 is coming to XB1 phil spencer confirmed it in a tweet so no it wont be a gimped version.Logic of this revelation explains why the Xbox 1 is so big and with vents and a huge fan its called preparation.To those who say why did MS not say this B4 its called strategy and not letting your competitors have any advantage Sony is now stuck with open gl and cant use dx12 the Steam box runs linux and cant use Dx12 Advantage MS remember they said its a marathon.The keep showing you proof the cloud demo DX12 benchmarks even AMD Nvidia and Intel say its true yet you all doubt ?You say Xbox fans are delusional we provide evidence to back up our claims for real devs how are u guys backing up that its not possible with what documents what conference?Forza 5 is only forst party game running @ 1080p 60 fps Ryse is still the best looking next gen game what more proof do you need?If the ps4 is so much better than XB1 why has no game on that system yet beat ryse?

Im not gunna say that PS4 is a bad system cause its not but it has yet to produce a first party or third party game that beats ryse this is a fact .If you people where true gamers you would see this is a great time to be a gamer the tech is changing for the better.Watch the Ms build 2014 and you will see why games where 720p its because the devs are coding the old way using old engines XB1 was not designed for old tech or old engines hence esram the cloud they said it if you want to get 1080p 60 fps you must use Esram and put the right data in the right place at the right time some devs get it others dont ..example 2k14 and fifa 14 1080p 60 fps .Call of duty 720p Mgsgz 720p if devs program it they way intended it would be a different story there is a learning curve and its launch if you think the worlds biggest software company does not know what it is doing then it is you all who disagree who are delusional..to the Dirkster who posted above DX12 will never be on Ps4 it uses open gl if you knew what you where talking about this would already be known @ best they can try to mimic some features but it will never run DX12 and once devs strat to use esram you guys will wish it was in a Ps4.

I have A ps4 ,Xbox 1 and a good pc rig with a r9 card why cause i enjoy games and don't want to miss out on any but to think that Xb1 will be left in the dust is just stupid this generation is about compute and efficiency not brute force

E3 will be the proof in the pudding you will see Halo using this tech for sure If people are butt hurt now what till E3 your Eyes will be melted

[frankdrebin72]

the cloud...the demo pops up and bang. shot down
dx12 ..pops up again,..with support and statements from people that KN
oW what they are talking about..why..because they have their hands on it.
Yet those that havent ,..those armchair heros,..those that do not think microsoft has the wit to create the xbox with dx12 fully compatible..that it was released early,..that the cloud will not happen,..that although it weaker on paper...that you ALL know the strange layout of the hardware in the xbox one...
jeez you guys are great..honest wish i could just blow off statements,demos etc as if those peeps know nothing..you know those that ARE involved in it all.

[Iamnemesis4880]

Ms is not dumb it will take time to activate the dx12 you can have all the hardware but it needs a program to run give MS and the devs time then we will see .

[bb2013]

Yeah software does nothing for hardware. When you update your cellphones, pc video cards, consoles and all that it does absolutely nothing for your hardware. Why don't we still use windows 95 I mean software does nothing for performance right? Anyways I remember when I first got my new pc with my intel I7 and gtx 580 card I was excited to try out my games on it and I installed flight simulator x and it ran like shit and I was like wtf. I then realized it was only using a single core not all 4 and after I updated it ran amazing.

[bleedsoe9mm]

i'm by no means a hardware or software expert but i remember dave lang saying something similar about developing for vita , current game engines don't utilize all of vita 4 core processor .

[Guwapo77]

...did that guy just say MS' current API is single stacked as in using one core???

/smacksforehead

[legend777]

great news for xbone users .......

oh what do i hear.... oh nooooo the damage control on the way

[90Supra]

I'll believe it when I see it...

I did get a good laugh when I saw this at the top of the home page, tho...

[Kaze88]

Direct proof that MS released this console way too early than what they were originally planning. But 2x the power? Well ill believe it when i see it. Games on Xbox one hasnt been so promising on performance side than what people hoped for, i believe DX12 will help...but 2x...eh? Well see.

[corroios]

Just lol. If xbox fãs want more power buy a PS4, even more a PC. Everything else is just PR.

They should have built a better machine with all the billions they earn from Live. The GPU should be cutting edge, the memory setup also, but the reality is that they are average at best. At least they went with blue ray...

And people were talking bad against Nintendo and the Wii U specs. The problem is that the Xbox one is built for the kinect crowd and not the hardcore player.

[chris_x2k3]

LoL...Okaaay buddy.

[pop-voxuli]

I think the great Seinfeld put it best:

[Gamerita]

by the end of the year xbone will grow wings & fly.

[chris_x2k3]

So many haters on this site...LoL...XBO is a great console, great feature set and keeps getting better with each of it's frequent updates. Time will tell what the impact of DX12 and cloud compute will be...But, it WILL have an impact. Keep up the hate guys. I'm so glad I purchased the XBO over the cheaper PS4.

And, this "community" can "Disagree" all it wants. The truth is the truth.

[donnieboy]

If Phil talks about this and shows demos of the cloud and DX12 they will automatically win E3!

[purp13m0nk3y]

Sure it will.

Just like the Cloud will make the Xbox1 4x more powerful. Like the updated sdk and 8% extra GPU performance will allow all games to run 1080p 60fps. And just like DX12 will allow the Xbox1 to match the PS4 performance.

Just more MS PR BS. The fan boys will lap it up and spout random techno babble they don't understand and cry I told you so.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Meanwhile in the real world. Multi plat games continue to perform and look better on the PS4. And PS4 exclusives are leaps and bounds ahead of anything yet released on the Xbox1.

Won't change people. Not now not ever. Hardware is hardware ffs!

[JohnS1313]

What a joke. DX12 won't do a thing to help.

[gigoran]

Pffffffffft HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This has got to be a late April fools joke. This is hands down the funniest thing anyone has ever said about Microsoft.

Double? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stop... Stop... You're killing me!

[gamer7804]

Sounds good, can't wait to see it in action though. Proof is in the pudding.

[Sweep14]

Hello Reality : The problem for the X1 is that...PS4 SDK will also improve !!!

[scotmacb]

Yes but nearly everybody will be using direct x 12 not sonys version thats why they are making a big song and dance about it

[SephirothX21]

Some encouraging comments from AMD, Intel and NVidia. I didn't think DX12 would bring this much of a jump and kudos to MS if true. Let's just hope it isn't just a marketing tool. As a hobbyist developer, I would love if this is true because I think the DirectX api is quite clean and nice to use. Its just a pity its not cross platform like OpenGL.

[Vonbedda]

I must be crazy to post.....Yes I'm new and yes I own an Xbox

I have a simple question to ask all the people here who feel it's a requirement to trounce any good news that Xbox users may get?

Because if you own a ps4, x1 and pc, realistically if this information is true your quids in. If it's not hey you have a ps4 woooo still a winner.

But to those who have a ps4 and no other console or pc, my question to you is what do you gain from this? ....surely you made the right choice in the ps4 if it's that bad to own an Xbox, common sense would tell you I don't have to look at the Xbox page as all I want to know about is Sony related because they are the greatest....

I have a powerhouse machine capable of running games 1080p, what do you gain from being here trying to disprove what a billion dollar company says and many a developer states also.....you may be knowledgeable that you have facts to disprove what is stated here, but then why bother....

I'm glad to see the Xbox improving on what seems like a daily basis, looking forward to the future ...

As you will notice this is my first post, I have no need to post on a ps4 related page, because I don't own one.

[HaydenJameSmith]

totally agree man, if they knew there ps4 was so much better then why wud they be on a x1 article trying to disprove its claims... insecurity is a funny trait that all fanboys seem to share...

I own both and dont regret getting either...

[Vonbedda]

I'm 27 years old, most people on this site act like 10year olds in a school playground, it's pathetic....I believe we will see Dx12 show a great boost in performance on new games ultilising the Dx12 tools.

These people have to realise if ms fail, then Sony will release crap after crap from then onwards with no competition comes no innovation, I believe Sony tried to innovate with cell, shame but at least they attempted ms are doing the same now, they are trying to change the devs for cleaner more optimized building of games ultilisong the hardware to its full potential. Like a finely tuned engine.

I don't want Sony to fail either though I'd like to see them innovate rather then take the easy route....we as gamers suffer if they don't.

[Belasco]

A very well thoughtful and honest post, but if you want serious discussion about anything Xbox or MS, this isn't the place.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

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[jay2]

Ok, So your games will be at 1080P..... Sony have 18 months to improve what is probably running as well, if not more so than DX 12 will be at launch. I don't see MS coming back, they will have lower quality graphics on games.

[bornsinner]

ok... let me know when that happens because all we see is 720p, a dashboard which is a step backwards from the 360 & a spycam that no one wants.

[hamzilla]

So it only gets 2x closer to the PS4... still about 48x behind and wont EVER come close till Xbox Done gets rid of DDR3 and gets GDDR5. nuff said.. all you who think you know it all can STFU. 6GB GDDR5 would beat out 8GB DDR3 too FYI...

[windwardmist]

So what I just read is the Xbox One will double in power? So you really mean its going to match the ps4 for the first time. What a joke, not to mention that ps4 is going to continue to get upgraded as well this is meaningless.

[sebzhd]

OMG, M$ this liar...

[jairusmonillas]

Xbox One will always be weaker than PS4. Microsoft is spreading this cheap pr talk about X1 being powerful with the help of cloud and dx12. it's all talk to boost morale of Xbox One.

Everybody knows the specs, PS4's hardware is 40% more powerful, no software update can make close that gap.

[Allowen]

Directx 12 will only arrive in the middle of 2015.
If it can do magic or not we will have to compare 3rd party games in 2015 with PS4 VS Xboxone.
Until then the PS4 will continue to be the most powerful console.

About the "power of the Cloud" it will only affect first party games probably.
Third party games will continue to be better on the PS4>Xbox1>WiiU

When time comes we will see how beautiful a new Halo 5 and other AAA exclusives will looks like.

[marcofdeath]

Where is your 1080p/60fps game mine is FM5......

[Jumper09]

PS4 will be the most powerful console the entire gen.
Tools wont change missing Hardware Power.

DX12 wont change anything because most of the Dx12 stuff is already been in use for the Xbone.

PCs will benefit from DX12 not the Xbone.

[arbitor365]

a 200% power increase? no new version of directx has ever had such a high impact on performance on PCs, much less a console. that is laughable.

[jairusmonillas]

I've been a PC gamer for 12years and everytime there is a new DirectX it usually slows down my system rather than making it fast lol.

[Totoro17]

To those of you who believe this: would you like to buy some magic beans?

[pakua]

Even if this is true, who cares? Let's face it, this is only good news for Xbox fans who want to have some ammunition in the console war to fight back at Ponies.

I couldn't give a crap about the performance of any of the consoles I own, I care about the GAMES. BOTH the PS4 and Xbox One have a pretty awful library at the minute. Hell, I own both and my top played games on each are Plants vs Zombies: Garden warfare and Resogun. This gen is currently pathetic and so are these BS fanboy wars.

[SoulSercher620]

Double performance? I highly doubt that. I think it will improve it but if you think it will surpass the PS4's power you're absolutely gullible.

[cruzngta]

My God where does all this 'secret sauce' bullshit keep popping up from? Face it delusional people and MS PR - your machine is not and will not become more powerful than the PS4. All this does is fuel the fire for wishful thinking for XB1 fans who are praying for secret sauce from the MS Gods to make their machine rival the PS4. Boy these people are so desperate and what makes it worse is that other normal people like myself who actually have both machines and realize the PS4 is more powerful have to hear idiots out there fighting over this stuff. My brother being one of them. I like each machine for the games they represent and dont dwell on which is more powerful because they were not built to be the same anyway. You have to be rational and use some common sense with all of this. Each system will do well and the exclusives I buy for each will give me hours of enjoyment either way. Get over this secret sauce shit already people - there is NONE!!!

[iraqmilner]

Gah! Microsoft will say anything to keep people buying the Xbox One. I for one will have to see it to believe it.

[Illusive_Man]

Hardware is nothing with software. Why don't Sony Ponies get this? The X1 launched with a bad SDK, bad drivers, bad APIs, and bloat from the 3 virtualized OSes on top of having a brand new architecture.

PS4 is simply plug and chug. Off the shelf PC components, great APIs, drivers, and an easy SDK. It's getting the most out of its hardware RIGHT now.

The X1 is not. It's still hobbling due to bad software, but once the X1 gets its software right....look out.

[WickedLester]

The X1 is not. It's still hobbling due to bad software, but once the X1 gets its software right....look out.

Um, look out for what?

[purp13m0nk3y]

The PS4 is in no way "off the shelf" PC parts.

It's a highly customized system with a huge emphasis on ease of development and GPGPU compute made during its development.

A lot of the custom/unique hardware that was developed specifically for the PS4 will make it into the next generation of AMD video cards.

There are many articles that have done detailed analysis of the PS4 APU. Its very far from an "off the shelf" part.

The Xbox1 is just a poor design. Difficult to program for. And underpowered.

Not SONY's fault they got it right this time around.

[cruzngta]

Couldnt have said it better myself - thanks for trying to educate misguided fools on here. They just dont 'get it'.

[Odoylerules000]

SECRET SAUUUUUUUUCEE........ Delicious in theory... but is it real?

[corvusmd]

Well I'm not a dev, so I don't know about doubling performance either way. Of course that would be great, and any true gamer would welcome the doubling of performance on a console by simply using a different driver when making the game. It would stand to reason that if performance was doubled, then pretty much every game would be able to run at 1080p/60fps (although it wouldn't take a full doubling I'm sure, being that already it looks like many future games will already be that way without DX12) which is most likely the ceiling for those this gen. Sure I see games being able to play at 4k, but honestly that would be such a huge jump to do that natively, I really don't see that happening anytime soon. (again what do I know I'm not a Dev). As long as the games keep staying great, then we a gamers really have nothing to complain about.

Fans of Xbox should be happy about this, and yet careful at the same time...it does seem to be the real deal being as many independent sources are saying it works in proctice...so the likely-ness of this "rumor" is really high, but at the same time, even if the tech works..it has to be used before we can enjoy it (which I couldn't see why anyone wouldn't want to get in on it). So, I suggest be excited like I am, yet cautious until it's fully implemented. On the other side of things...those that just love to trash MS/XB1 no matter what...you should be careful as well. We don't know that it DOESN'T work that way yet either, and have no actual tangible evidence to suggest it doesn't...so betting against it at this point seems as foolish as saying that FOR SURE it will double performance. Trashing the idea right now, just comes off as denial...more that you don't WANT it to be true, than any real reason not to believe it. I still don't get why someone would actively root AGAINST a rather likely possibility of DOUBLING performance on a console. I could even see if ONLY MS was saying this, but right here are just four of the many non-MS sources saying that it's the real deal...and they seem much more excited about it that the typical "mandatory" happy that happens in cases like this.

[marcofdeath]

I find it funny that Sony fanboys just say it's PR form Microsoft. Lets look at that. Well the two best looking games
are Forza motorsports 5 1080p/60fps and RYSE 900p/30fps..
We are still waiting on that first party games from Sony that are 1080p/60fps... Now ask your self how a 50% less powerful GPU outperforming PS4's GPU.
Why is it that both games used only a part of DX12 and soon the next games will use the FUll DX12 SDK treatment.

The hardware is not the same... The PS4 GPU is right around 614GFloats more than XB1, but here is where XB1 takes over, it simply does nothing, it's a lazy GPU. XB1'x GPU has to work on graphics whatever calculation there may be, But PS4 GPU has other jobs to perform and therefore have to stop the current render target to perform those other jobs.

Digital Foundry: So often you're CPU bound. That explains why so many of the Data Move Engine functions seem to be about offloading CPU?

Andrew Goossen: Yeah, again I think we under-balanced and we had that great opportunity to change that balance late in the game. The DMA Move Engines also help the GPU significantly as well. For some scenarios there, imagine you've rendered to a depth buffer there in ESRAM. And now you're switching to another depth buffer. You may want to go and pull what is now a texture into DDR so that you can texture out of it later and you're not doing tons of reads from that texture so it actually makes more sense for it to be in DDR. You can use the Move Engines to move these things asynchronously in concert with the GPU so the GPU isn't spending any time on the move. You've got the DMA engine doing it. Now the GPU can go on and immediately work on the next render target rather than simply move bits around.

Nick Baker: From a power/efficiency standpoint as well, fixed functions are more power-friendly on fixed function units. We put data compression on there as well, so we have LZ compression/decompression and also motion JPEG decode which helps with Kinect. So there's a lot more than to the Data Move Engines than moving from one block of memory to another.

[purp13m0nk3y]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The PS4 is far better at off loading tasks from its CPU to GPU thanks to efficient use of GPGPU compute.

I also DOES NOT have to "stop the current render target to perform those other jobs" at all. It can preform all these tasks "out of order" and concurrently thanks to the PS4's "Asynchronous Compute Units".

Basically the ACE's queue all these GPGPU tasks (of which the PS4 can handle 16x more than the Xbox1) ready of Asynchronous Compute when there are free cycles available. This basically guarantees that the PS4 GPU is operating at peak load almost all the time. And also frees up the CPU to do other tasks while not negatively effecting the normal render pipeline at all.

The Xbox1's inadequate GPGPU compute capabilities are yet another area in which the Xbox1 lags behind the PS4.

Also your description of the form and functionality of the "move engines" is completely misinformed. The move engines operate completely independent of any outside influence. As in they are completely automated in their function with no way for a programmer to influence or order their function. They are just part of the die and not a programmable asset.

[cruzngta]

Once again a solid explanation by you sir. Its amazing how so many XB1 owners cling to this glimmer of hope that MS is giving them to try and stay relevant with their machine that is being outsold and outperformed big time. Dont promise people something that is 2 years away and will most likely not 'double' the power of their system. Sony isnt saying anything just putting out superior third party versions of ALL the games. That is what makes this all so funny and propably why MS damage control is putting out all of these articles because they are trying to take away the negative spotlight on thier inferior ports and give people something 'positive' to talk about or hope for. Desperate and pathetic but hey they are being outsold and outperformed big time so that is why they are doing all of this.

[marcofdeath]

Asynchronous Compute is apart of the GPU....
SONY is not the masters GPGPU. It was first used by a console by the name of Xbox 360 use of Knect. so please do not speak of this super mythological creature of Sony programming knowledge it does not exist.

once again someone purely speaking without proof or at least in this case a link, so what part of this don't you understand. I am not speaking out of my ass like most do here with out links to back up there own BS, I am simply interpreting the information that was given to us. Far too many of you Sony fanboys rant without backing it up.

These are the differences between the architectures one of them has an advantage and one of them is does not that simple. The Asynchronous Compute that you were talking about schedules jobs that are then issued to the CU's, one of those jobs are moving data to and from as needed to the caches like textures, caches or main memory. Xb1 GPU does not have to waste these cycles on data movement or decompression of textures. The following statement and article if you people please read it states that very clearly. So here directly from the architects themselves.

"The DMA Move Engines also help the GPU significantly as well. For some scenarios there, imagine you've rendered to a depth buffer there in ESRAM."

Unless you have Mark Carey himself disputing what, I don't want to hear you tell me what you think say that for your other Sony fanboys around the campfire were going to believe everything you say.

And don't worry, I was never worried I just didn't have all the information that it's been there all the time.

[Belasco]

To be fair, none of us truly know what we are talking about. All I know for certain is the end result when the controller is in my hand.

[kingPoS]

I can't help but notice MS constant boasting offer the past few months. They've hyped the cloud and touted the possibilities of DX-12. And that's ok, it's good that improvements are being made. But I wonder what improvements their rival in the console market are making, so far I know they've made great strides with VR and game steaming tech, what other kind of progress have they made that they haven't let world know about?

Gateway MT6706 2008

[spoonard]

So... this is just setting Xbone fans up for some serious disappointment.

[marlinfan10]

keep telling yourself that

[hobbitooo]

by the time dx12 comes out, xbone would have been obliterated by ps4 sales.

[Grave]

Console marketing is getting pretty f**king unbelievable.

[Azzanation]

How are Xbox Fanboys buying into hype when everyone brought a PS4 off hype since E3? What games did you buy your PS4 for at launch? Knack and Killzone? Both under 80s in metacritic?

This is basic news of things to come, but when someone goes out of there way to buy a Console with no games then that's buying off hype.

[supergrobi1]

Unfortunately, the PS4 fanboys don´t understand the differences. It´s like comparing a V8 6-liters engine with an 2.4 liters Formula 1 Engine, it is not the pure capacity that makes the difference, it is the optimization that will make the Formula 1 engine more powerfull. The Xbox One matches the Formula 1 engine :)

[Belasco]

They speak of this power gap, but it's really about what ends up being drawn on the screen. Say for instance you had the Ps4 AND the Xbox One running DX12,without a doubt the advantage goes to the more powerful hardware. But if the machines are using different software, which they are, then things change. Its not 2+2=4 folks, it simply does not work that way.

[Mister_G]

Lol!! We'll see about that.

Double you say? Well either DX12 is some sort of black magic, or the current setup is very very inefficient.

[Ch1d0r1]

April 1st was last week...

[sgtGanGreen]

Soon every ps4 owner will realize that they bought overhyped console with 50% of lies.
Where are those features that sony promised on E3?

[mmj]

Double? that would make it significantly faster than PS4 with much inferior hardware. Volkswagen will be releasing software tweaks to beat a Bugatti Veyron next.

[extermin8or]

I was all set for a day lightly bored in the last physics lectures of this term before my exams later this week, the I aw this post. Now I've stopped hysterically laughing and rolling around the floor. I will be chuckling to myself ALL day, at both the moron that made the video and all the retards on here that believe him. If nothing else, thanks guys for making my day ALOT funnier.

[NeloAnjelo]

Even more BS claims

[Qwagy UK]

Well I hope so, the xbone's performance at present is pitiful, xbone really needs to be closer to the power of the PS4.

[g4n]

This is desperation. Just plain sad xbone fans.

[wheresmymonkey]

I'll eventually get a xbone for exclusives, but for now i'm more than happy with my ps4 and wiiu.

[Clown_Syndr0me]

Mehh, power isn't everything l. I already much prefer my X1 over PS4. I only bought a PS4 as my friends did and I enjoy playing with them. Plus I'm a big fan of the Uncharted series.

As for all the people that come here day in day out to big up the PS4 and put down the X1, if you liked your PS4 so much wouldn't you be playing it or reading articles relevant to your console of choice? I don't understand why PS4 owners feel the need to justify their purchase on every single article, I know I don't.

What disappoints me the most is the fact we all share something in common, a love of gaming. Yet all people have talked about so far this gen is specs and hardware. Where has all the excitement and hype gone about the most important thing...the games!? No one actually seems to care about the games anymore, taking away all the fun!

Before you accuse me of being a fanboy, I'm off to play BF4 on my PS4 because honestly the X1 version was a mess.

[jairusmonillas]

It's true that DX12 would bring better graphics, but its not for free..

I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox One ends up running DX12 games under 30FPS even with a 720p resolution.

Xbox One's GPU is pretty weak. All the talk about DX12 improving Xbox One's graphics will remain unproven.

[marcofdeath]

Forza motorsports 5 says hello!!!! still waiting on that first first party game does 1080 P 60 frames a second it'll probably be another port........

[corroios]

This will be amazing, DX12 will give 2x more power and combined with the cloud that will give 4x times the power, the xbox one will get 6x times more powerfull. Lol.

Who need titan cards, just plug the one...

I think that Microsoft should hire for PR Keanu Reeves, because is the one and plays the xbox one...

[Jdoki]

I think the most important point is whether the x2 power increase is done before the x4 increase - so first you double the power of The One, then you quadruple the new result!.. Or will the result just be to add the increases together get a rather lame x6 (in comparison) increase??

MS need to answer this ASAP!! And we NEED a response from Sony (or have they fired the person responsible for responses????)

/s

[etownone]

This is great news...

It's like getting a nice upgrade to my existing console in a couple years.
With game developers, AMD, Intel and Nvidea praising it...

I just ant understand all the bashing.

Oh wait.... This is N4G... Playstation heaven

[Azzanation]

Listen to all the whimpy kids complaining, saying this cant be true. Why cant DX12 double the power of the XB1? is it because you believed in so much hype that you purchase the wrong console at E3.. is that why your all insecure? Why should MS or there fans drop the subject, AMD, nVidia and Intel claim this is a giant step in gaming. Also AMD created the hardware for the PS4 and X1, you fanboys calling them liars aswell?

And to those saying PS4 has better hardware, well guess what it doesn't, it has a slightly better GPU where as the X1 has a slightly better CPU, look it up, PS4's CPU runs at 1.6ghz while the X1 runs at 1.75ghz making the X1 have an advantage in the CPU department. PS4 is not superior to X1 because it has a weaker CPU. DX12 is suppose to level out the cores for the X1 and since it already has a faster CPU, the X1 will notice a bigger improvement then the PS4 would if it had the same technology.

[Azfargh]

There aways have a non-mentioning-catch when is about every MS new sauce. Impressive as the Cloud Computing... BUT...

...you have to pay for it AND it runs online ONLY (excluding the fact of requiring a really fast and stable internet connection)

DirectX12? As much as I know, SONY is already working on something similar. Which means a smaller gap between them, but just that, really. And since the overall console performance is already bellow of many mid-range pcs, I can only expect mediocre upgrades. On PCs, DX12 seems far more promessing.

I´m a console lover since psONE era, but after listening so many lies from MS, expecting nothing much above what PS4 already is capable... a computer + Steam + Gamepads + Emulators seems the best solution to a fool-proof and no-catchs gaming experience.

[Dirkster_Dude]

One of the users "BrutallyHonest" commenting said "show me the games". He/She has a point. At the same time Microsoft's allies and competitors are saying the same thing: "DX12 will double performance". Either they are blowing smoke or they know something we don't. Personally, I can't see them ruining there reputation for integrity to be Microsoft's boy or girl. Hopefully, at E3 will see what all the fuss is about.

[d4v0333]

So if the DX12 will double the Xbone performance can we assume DX12 is a standalone Xbone? :/

[unicron7]

I call bullshit. The hardware is what it is. No way they are doubling performance power on that thing with just software updates. Such BS nonsense regarding the Xbox One as of late. Just accept it for what it is.

[anwe]

A 10 to 20 percent performance increase is more reasonable. Double is very unrealistic.

[cabbitwithscissors]

Microsoft just put misterxmedia out of a job. And I thought he was doing a mighty fine job all by himself... sigh...oh well, times a changing. :D

[corroios]

Games more importante GPU and not CPU, that was last gen stuff. Cant compare the cpu of xbox or the PS4 with PC and there his all the problems. All that crap average laptop CPU...

Every single day the same news, all this propoganda for what! Late 2015. OMG. How could someone believe in all this crap, they only want you to buy their console, because in 2015 in will be amazing stuff... Yeah Right.

Show us a game and not try to hide it like you did with Titanfall on 360, that seems to be very good compared with nex gen version...

I dont understand de desperation of the Microsoft gamers with graphics on the xbox One.

The hardware is average and it not good in any department. CPU, GPU and doesnt even have a unified memory like the 360 did. One of the strongest points of the 360 and the better GPU.

[ATi_Elite]

SORRY but you will NOT double the performance of the XB1 with a direct12 update.

SOFTWARE can make MINOR improvements.

SOFTWARE can NOT double HARDWARE's performance.

in MAN's ENTIRE existence we have NEVER doubled hardware's performance with a Software update on ANYTHING EVER!

this is just so laughable of a headline.

[batbatz]

double?, no quadruple, it also makes the RAM faster...

[beereal360]

People line up to hate . Go do something else. The xbox 1 is the only choice.

[MasterCornholio]

"The xbox 1 is the only choice."

O rly?

http://leviathyn.com/wp-con...

You lose.

LOL

[lemoncake]

I am eagerly awaiting a dx 12 game, hopefully its sooner rather than later

[kryteris]

To rephrase, in 2 years time (from launch games) the quality will be 2x better. Well, duh! That is 2 flippin years to get API and Game code up to par with the new hardware. Both Sony, Nintendo, will be in the same boat. This is not secret sauce, unless you are counting PC x86 gaming which was left behind for years with un-unified hardware dominating the past.

[sackboyhappy]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[AutoCad]

People will believe a rumor from a bs source from Neogaf when its bad for xb1 or good for ps4,but dont believe an actual developer?

hmm i wonder why.

[xx4xx]

XBox One is the future....The future is XBox One.

I've seen this lame saying on this site do many times. I've changed it to make it more fitting. :)

[arbitor365]

i guess PC owners who have a 3.0 ghz cpus will suddenly have the equivalent of a 6.0 ghz CPU thanks to directx12. because apparently that is how technology works. #xboxfanboylogic

[manic_maniac]

I have never seen a group of rival supporters sweat so much over something that they claim is B S. 6 pages of comments.
Wow.

[DollMytee]

All it is really is a bunch of ignorant people repeating their favorite bullet points for why their console is better to one another. So pathetic.

[XxGOWxX]

The funny thing is people are always saying that over time software will make both consoles better. Now MS reveals some of that software and no one believes them LOL!

People are such pathetic fan boys that instead of waiting and seeing what this software can do they just flat out deny it can even exist. Well fan boys feel free to not use any of this software when its implemented into your device.

Other companies and devs are saying it works FFS! Oh software could never increase performance that much ROFL we see software updates every where that already can double performance.

Sad pathetic people just cant be happy that there could be a massive performance increase coming to them because MS has created it. I hope none of these Sony fan boy idiots are running windows because they wouldn't want to be hypocrites now would they.

[DollMytee]

Could everyone around here just like, I dunno, grow the hell up? Vast majority of you on both sides are bickering and making jabs about something you know absolutely nothing about. It is hilarious to sit and laugh at you are regurgitate idiotic bullet points you read on your favorite bias fansites.

[Hypnotic]

I'll believe it when I see it.