Microsoft's added 3-month, 6-month, and 12-month Spark Premium purchase options to the existing 1-day and 1-month options, making Project Spark into a more subscription-centric experience rather than one defined by piecemeal purchases.
Pay to play nice!! @Kingthrash360 I own a ps4 and got blacklight retribution we all know thats f2p but the point is to us is if u get a new gun or armour on blacklight u get to keep it forever I think ms is screwing you all this shouldnt even be subscription considering you pay live already and again paying this over n over by 3 or 6 even 12 months
man i hear about the imminent price drop and consider actually buying it around christmas...then a game like this reminds me why its not for me. i know ps4 had this practice but not many, and the free 2 play games are actually free to play. with live you gotta pay to play to pay to play....2 pay walls, 1 game. this will kill console gaming if it spreads like mayo on a B.L.T. i just want to pay 60 bucks or less and put my wallet away these subs and micro trans need to go imo.
In my eyes this shouldn't even subscription based. It should be $60 and that's it. It won't gain as big a community as Little Big Planet did because of this. It just feels like a cheap cash in with customers paying for Live as well.
How are you being downvoted? Do you guys like NOT saving money?
Woah I had no idea this was pay to play. I hope microsoft come to their senses and stop putting things like netflix, and F2P games behind their subscription pay wall. And before someone chimes in and says, "Well I'm paying the sub already to play online", you have to think about people other than yourself, plenty of kids out there who aren't allowed play online because some people make it a hostile environment, and plenty of other folk who just don't play multiplayer online at all. This is one of the worst F2P models I've ever heard of, I know some are pretty bad with Pay to Win models, and its an outrage, but "pay to create?" What the hell is that?! I think the Project Spark team need to have a little sit down with Media Molecule. Give players a huge base game and then release DLC building packs at fairly low prices to offer people variety in the months and years after launch. Plenty of great F2P games you can enjoy without having to pay a penny if you don't want to, and without missing out on the full package. War Thunder is always my go to example as it's a great F2P game on PC and Console that I feel did everything right. I'm not a MOBA fan but League of Legends is another good example of a good F2P model. Project Spark has been greatly diminished in my eyes after hearing this news, I was looking forward to picking it up eventually whenever I get around to getting an xbone.
@christian hour er.... this is free to play. You can opt in to subscription for the full package, or buy things with microtransactions. but there is more than enough there for anyone to build an awesome game for free. Also, you dont need XBL gold to download and play it. FYI
This just seems overly convoluted to me. Why not just charge full price for the game and unlock the content? This might just detract potential purchasers. Silly move imo.
@Malokevi You don't need XBL Gold to download and play it? Thanks for clearing that up, was this a recent change on microsofts part? I was under the impression that all online gaming features were behind the sub, including F2P games, netflix, facebook, twitter etc. If this is not the case anymore and MS have had the heart to change things for the better, I'm very happy to hear this :) Thanks for clearing that up for me ;)
@Septic Because this is Microsoft, everything is behind a pay wall.
Is disappointing that they are charging to play the game. Acting as if it's free and then limiting it is disingenuous. But all of the people pretending Sony doesn't charge for PSN on PS$ are just being naive or fanboyish. Paying to get online is paying no matter what. Few buy a console for strictly offline play. So PS4 is really no different. The reality is you're going to pay the annual fee. But this time limit decision makes Project Spark a game I won't spend much time on now. Unless there is something to it to really pull me in. I'll lose interest quick.
@dcbronco- the f2p games on ps4 they are talking about, you dont need to pay for, you dont need a subscription, even the online MP ones. /end. the best LBP imo is LBPvita, its $30 and free online, really good support and the only DLC i payed for was the timesaver bundle (so i can start buiding levels right away) but you can get everything you nee to build from the story mode, Nothing is behind a paywall. i thought PS had potential, id hate to see it turn into a subscription. MS can very well have their own LBP, but i think they sould try to compete with LBP3 bc i think it is going to be amazing and i doubt it will have a sub to create games.
I guess you don't know what spark time is,if someone has made game with free content or with content that you have purchased already,spark time barrier is not there,just telling ya
Sub is always better than f2p...but I do like the free to level 20 or so like a demo. But of its f2p like son many want for ESO, it will be ruined by a gazillion microtransactions and segregated by those who r willing to shell out hundreds a month and those who r not.
Blacklight is a sad excuse for a COD clone. That game is just awful. It should never so much as be brought up in conversation, never mind played by anyone who wants to retain some semblance of their sanity.
Well if it's priced right, I'd be down for it. Say $5 per month or $30 per year.
Sounds overly convoluted. Is project spark attracting big player numbers?
It won't be now that is for sure.
Ha ha good luck with that MS I cant see many people paying for this an awful experience.
Me neither think most will only use the free 2 play options and not use the Premium paid service. Why pay for extra experience and ability to play levels with downloadable content. Not sure if content makers will earn some of this money which could effect my opinion on the new model.
Um... What? Pump the brakes there. This is not what I wanted. I loved the beta, but this is off putting. I stopped playing Disney Infinity when I realized how much they nickle and dime you for additional content. WAY overpriced figures.
Not on the beta but why you think that their previous Nicle and dime method with so called spark time is better then offering one subscription for acces to all premium content. I am interesten in to how you see the devide between the free and paid stuff in project spark?
I got you, I guess if I were a fan of F2P games witb subs I would want something like what they offer here. Its not like other sub games. Where you pay $15 a month and still have to pay for other things in game aswell. With this game you pay a sub and everything is available for you to use!! Well thats my understanding of article anyways!
As an outsider staring it, Im confused. Are they charging you to play a beta? And I thought this game was free. I know people will think I'm just hating but Project Spark, as Ive said before is the one game I'm jealous of on Xbone. I guess I dont really know enough about how the business model works though but this sounds all very offputting. I hope they dont wreck this game with all the money grabbing and nipple twisting.
They were charging you to play it more than 40 minutes a day, but they dropped it. Now, you can buy a subscription and play all levels and dlc packs. This is NOT a smart choice.
if will be good price why not ... :)
I dont get it, can other users actually buy the game you create with-in Spark? IS this a MMORPG or just a tool to create one?
I dont know if you are able to sell your games! Its a creative tool that you still get to use for free! If you subscribe to Sparktime theres not limit to what you can do in the game as far as tools and being able to use player created content and dlc! We still have to see how much MS wants for time tho before we get all crazy!
Well looks like I won't be playing the final game then, least the beta was fun.. Way to take something great and completely ruin it Microtransoft.. pretty bad trend I see happening with Microsoft exclusives, their games have way too many microtransactions involved. I still cannot believe they even put any type of microtransactions in a game like Ryse.. I mean for f-sakes, they wanted to do all this DRM crap and just put microtransactions in everything.. Okay.. I just can't bring myself to pay subscriptions for one game. I won't do it on PC and I surely won't do it on consoles or anything else for that matter. Problem is people will pay for it anyway though, and microtransactions will only get worse in the future because of this. As with everything else people just take it.. I don't know why. The problem with any subscription game is you end up paying way more than the game would ever be worth, same goes for microtrans but you don't necessarily need it to play the actual game so they aren't as bad as subscription models for a game. If I am going to pay every month for a single game it better be the best freaking game to ever have graced this planet.
Dude, this is a story from a week ago, it is old news why it just popped up now? It is all going to change and some good news will be coming in today. Team Dakota will announce something special regarding Project Spark today. https://twitter.com/search?... Clam down, everything will be alright. :)
I love how people are complaining when they haven't even shown the prices yet XD
We are gamers not investors and n4g will be a cess pool of mostly one sided gamers till people either grow up or can wrap there head around things that truly make a difference in this world and sony and ms consoles are the furthest thing from changing things for the better when we bicker over a stupid console war.
Project Spark is still free to play! But if you want to play without any restrictions or open up everything in game you need Sparktime or Power. Which lets you play with Dlc and user created content aswell as being able to share your game! Depending on how much its gonna cost! Its basically developer program you rent time to use all the tools!
My understanding is they are doing away with spark power which makes you pay $1 for 24 hours of play - now I don't know about you guys but the new MGS game is 1-4 hours long depending how good you are. MGS went ddown well on this site and the price was €60. So if you think of value based on cost vs time - it p**sses all over MGS and most other games. Now they are doing away with spark power and are replacing it with spark premium - whick is claimed to be cheaper than the already cheap spark power. http://www.idigitaltimes.co...
From IGN: "Now, though, you'll be able to buy Tokens with real money to spend on items you don't want to wait to unlock, and all content will be free to access. The related concept of "Spark Power" has also been tweaked and renamed Spark Premium. It gives you bonuses to earning XP and credits, and also allows you to purchase extra upload slots beyond the three you're given for free." Sound like it's for people who don't want to wait to unlock things in-game.
Reading comprehension is at an all time low apparently. They basically announced they removed nearly all of a players' (as in people just playing the game) paywall as you can now access all content free of charge while playing someone else's games. Spark Power for those that apparently never even started the game (it is a beta but it one that carries over into release) is the equivalent to an XP Booster for creators to help unlock in game coins faster which is an actual free way to pay for unlockable content to use for creation of new games. You don't ever have to use it but it will take 'forever' to unlock everything (as most big content packs are 10-20k game coins each or you can spend $5-10 cash money). Basically, depending on the subscription price, they made it more accessible for creators as a single day's XP boost wasn't really worth it imo. I still think it would be better though if they created a 'value pack' to unlock all Release Content for a reduced price from the get go. It would allow Creators more freedom sooner which in turn allows for more creative content which is what will be needed to keep Spark alive in the long term. New Content could be sold separately as well or be bundled in Season Passes after release. However, actually PLAYING the games in Project Spark is now 100% free for all (besides Gold most likely).
From the looks of the in-game marketplace you can buy stuff with earned coins from leveling up or purchased coins. They are different. I'm at level 2 currently
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