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The Gamers Progress | 'Ground Zeroes' is an introduction to a new vision

'Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes' is Hideo Kojima's attempt to introduces PlayStation gamers to what he hopes is would be a new direction for the series. Its going to be a long time before 'The Phantom Pain' is released while Kojima really wants to show the gaming world the new chapter in Big Boss's story.

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stanr3692d ago (Edited 3692d ago )

Despite all the bad PR and rumors, this is not a $30 demo but an introduction to the series new direction. Unlike some game series, Kojima prefers to out due himself with each new game and this is just a taste of what to expect with 'Phantom Pain'.

rdgneoz33692d ago

Yah... When someone can no kill no alarm speed run the main mission in 10 minutes, it's a $30 demo. It does look good, but hopefully the new direction is not gouging fans. We already have day 1 / disc locked DLC these days, we don't the intro mission being sold for $30.

UnwanteDreamz3692d ago

Speak for yourself fool. If people want to support this your just gonna have to live with it.

Akuma2K3692d ago

Agreed as well....people who are expecting this to be full game obviously don't understand the meaning of the word prologue or prequel, which is what this game is to get gamers use to the brand new open world gameplay and prepare us for the main game phantom pain next year. Regardless of the price or length of the game any true metal gear solid fan would pick this game up without thinking twice, there's no way in the world i'm waiting until next year to play a new metal gear solid game in this next gen.

Salooh3692d ago

It's short but i'm still enjoying it. It's definitely worth it if you will do everything in the game. And it's a taste of what we will get :P ..

3-4-53692d ago

If Halo or Super Mario did this would you guys still feel the same ?

stanr3692d ago

Personally I'm not a Halo fan so I wouldn't know however if Microsoft were to do this for the next game and fans were defending it I would totally understand.

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Ron663692d ago

A new vision where Ubisoft, Rocksteady etc will charge us $30 for a pathetic 1hour demo. Wake up kids. Boycott this,Or this will be a norm in the near future if you keep buying. I will not buy this, i will wait for Phantom Pain.

SteamPowered3692d ago

Absolutely right Ron. Its like they released the DLC before the game.

IamHaru3692d ago

I'm not totally against this. We are already quite spoiled as gamers and let's be honest, I spent $60 on one round of shots at the bar this past weekend, so $30 for MGS goodness is totally fine with me!

inmusicutrust3692d ago

You can buy a movie for 20 which gives you 2 hours of entertainment. Ground zeroes is the same price but gives you 6-10 hours of interactive entertainment. I agree with you. For a top notch high quality game its completely fair.

DawnOfDon3692d ago

I would bet that they will through this into the full game as the opening. I agree people should not buy this, if they do more developers will do the same, when they could just add it on to the damn game

Aleithian3692d ago

As with MGS:GZ, you have the option not to buy this sort of product from other companies. The entire argument from the slippery slope fails to acknowledge that consumers have the option not to purchase these sorts of products. Whenever fans of MGS, such as myself, are asked on this forum why we are paying $30 for this, we all give the same reasons: we are fans of the series, we want to support Kojima; we are thankful that Kojima has given us so much entertainment in the past; we are excited for this new installment; we will get far more than "10 minutes" of gameplay out of the thing; and $30 is the cost of a trip to the movies which gives 1.5 hours entertainment, whereas this gives fans far more than that.

No games company forces you or coerces you to buy their product. The value of the product is determined not by some objective standard of measurement, nor even by its relationship to other products on the market, but by the marginal utility of the consumers. Konami sets a price, and we make our decisions as to the product's value. If there are many of us out there who value the product enough to pay $30 for it, then it will sell. If not, then it won't. YOU might not consider this to be worth $30, but many of us do. Perhaps, after playing it, we will reconsider. But we are willing to give Kojima a shot. What other companies and consumers do is irrelevant.

GamingSinceThe80s3692d ago (Edited 3692d ago )

This is still cheaper then what they did in the past.Making everyone buy Zone of the Enders most didn't want just to get a demo for MG.I don't think we have to worry about this becoming the norm.MG is one of the only games that could do something like this. Because it is just that good!Plus other then rereleases, MG is one of the least milked game series.PS1,MGS1,PS2,MGS2,MGS3, PS3,MGS4 and PS4 MGS5GZ,MGPP will likely be the only ones this gen besides maybe a Vita game.All I'm trying to say is it's hard for me to feel very taken advantage off.This guy has always over delivered on quality and innovation.And I already morn the day he retires.

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cfc783692d ago

The only vision is the 1 to rip gamers off at every given opportunity , why should we pay twice for 1 game.

George Sears3692d ago

You don't have to pay twice. Simply wait for the the Phantom Pain to show up. I don't see what's so hard to understand. And it's not like this is anything new. GT5 Prologue was just that, a Prologue to the main game. At the time of its release I didn't see as much bitch-ery as I'm seeing for this one.

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George Sears3692d ago

I own GT5 Prologue as well. You might say it has more replay value for being a racing game, but a prologue game like Ground Zeroes is still the same exact practice that has been done before.

GamingSinceThe80s3692d ago

So you would rather wait another year or more to play some MG instead of getting a little taste of the future now when thing's are slow on the the next gen gaming front?

cfc783692d ago (Edited 3692d ago )

Iv'e an xbox 360,ps3 and an xb1 i can always find a game to play so i don't mind playing the waiting game, end of the day it's just the 1st chapter of phantom pain cut off to create hype and £££££ £ im not buying into it but to each their own. the old saying of givem an inch and they'll take a mile also comes to mind.

George Sears3692d ago

I'm getting the game. Cry more haters.

UnwanteDreamz3692d ago

I spend that much on a meal. That just turns to @#$%. Picking it up on my way home. You kids are sad.

Aleithian3692d ago

Right there with you. Freedom of choice in action.

stanr3692d ago

I'm convinced that people who are calling it a "1 hour demo" have not bothered to play it.

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel1984344d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus344d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken343d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm344d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake343d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername343d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan344d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen344d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus344d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff2183344d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies344d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE344d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer344d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga343d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer343d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb344d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot402d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman402d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola402d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad402d ago (Edited 402d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing69402d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS17402d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger402d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall402d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest574d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade574d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam574d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty574d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot574d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard574d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop574d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop574d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS17574d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name574d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver574d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio2048574d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor574d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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