"Watch Dogs will be out in May but Ubisoft Montreal is mindful of the other big open world game that will be releasing earlier, namely Sucker Punch Productions' inFamous: Second Son."
yes play it Ubisoft and see how open world games can be done with of the chart amazing gfx that was only possible in linear games while stll being very very smooth and tons of fun to play take alot of notes, Ubisoft you might learn a thing or two
Whatever he means with "open&alive" he forgots that inFamous gives you superpowers with insanely fast traversal which has to be rendered. The only excuse I accept is that Watch Dogs releases on 5 platforms and inFamous is an exclusive but this comment was unnecessary.
he's stealth trolling the game by saying the city is lifeless and not really open ubisoft are jelly lol
No problem for me inFamous day one Watch Dogs day one :D
Haha, this is hilarious, the guy was blatantly trolling the dev. He even linked him to the NeoGAF thread called 'Dear Watch_Dogs: please take note. (New Infamous Second Son Screenshots Inside) This is how you do an open world game' Lol, that dev is so salty.
Someone is getting salty :D.
Pride comes before a fall...enough said. That developer is really full of himself.
Exactly he didnt have to defend the game at all, he just had to point out the huge differences in making a game for a one console, and making a game for multiple consoles. Anyone who's played games for mor than 2 years should understand this by now. I've always had my suspicions towards watchdogs, the gameplay looked really good but I don't like how Ubisoft have been allusive with it and in smoeways dishonest (Releasng bullshots the same day as the ps4 gameplay/story trailer and saying nothigns changed? Come on, what do you take us for?). I know those bullshots were some PR groups idea and the devs working on it were probably not happy about the idea but its a continuing trend that I feel needs to stop. Just be honest about yr game, show us how its really running, show us how it look on all platforms, dont just show us the prettiest version, the average uninformed gamer will feel cheated and that does more damage to the industry than good I feel. I'd just like transparency with games. A good example is Ground Zeroes, we've seen gameplay on all platforms, and its great, it gives you an idea, regardless of waht platform you play on, waht to expect, it doesnt sell you a false vision of the product yr considering purchasing. the xbone version (of ground zeroes) is similar to the 360/ps3 version of ground zeroes, but with slightly higher res textures and better AA, then you look at the ps4 version, textures are slightly higher than xbone version, and its got a dynamic sky box (whereas the xbone version has the same old school skybox technique used in 360/ps3 version). It's this type of evidence that has me thinking that maybe Ubisoft didnt wanna ruffle any feathers with sony or microsoft so for the sake of parity across paltforms, they seem to have gimped the game slightly so it runs same on xbone and ps4. Of course theres no way of knowing this until the game is in the hands of players across all platforms and comparisons can be made then to better understand what has happened here exactly. If they were upfront from beginning and showed it running on all platforms and showcased the differences between current gen, next gen and PC, this internet shit storm would not exist and any confusion would be cleared up, people would be much more informed. But of course bad press is good press and to the average uninformed gamer they wont see people talking pixel counts and how self shadowing has disappeared etc, they dont see that stuff when they play games, theyll hear people discussing a game called "watchdogs" and say "Oh hey, ill have to check that out". Business loves mindless consumerism :) Or I need to buy a tinfoil hat. The verdict is still out on that one 0_0 (thats a bad joke at the end by the way. they dont work too well on the internet so thought i'd jsut clarify that part)
@ infected Developers could be working on multiple projects at once and even then you cant just think that throwing more people at a project means a smoother or better production quality. WTF do you think game development studios function like base management games ? I'm putting this one on the multiple consoles. We honestly need a Direct feed video of PS4 and XBone gameplay to make sure. Either way I'm still going to get the game because it looks like its a lot of fun.
Both games seem to have lifeless cities from what I've seen. 10 minutes of Infamous gameplay plus the preview plays from the game sites, and the cities seem to be pretty empty outside of mission specific parts. Watch Dogs all I've seen were trailers and E3 demo, the E3 demo looked okay as far as a lively city but the latest trailers don't look as promising. I got Infamous ready for download Friday and Watch Dogs will be pre-order for me but yeah until further notice and me actually playing them, they both leave something to be desired.
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Well I think Watchdogs have a lot more going on in the city than Infamous.That being said, I'm sure both Sucker Punch and Ubisoft had to make some sacrifices this early in the console life.Either way I am looking forward to both of them.
You guys are incredible. This dev gets trolled by some fanboy linking to a biased post basically trolling his game and all he says is it looks like a good game and he wonders how alive the city will be, yet HE is the bad guy here? Wow, you guys never cease to amaze me. Watch Dogs and inFamous Second Son both look like fantastic games. They both do some unique things that the other lacks. The diversity in gaming is great.
im buying both so "whatever brah!"
I think both games are must have. And both will play best on Playstation (and/or PC).
haha, second son doesnt come close to looking as good as watch dogs on pc kid. I know you are an n4g fanboy, but my god, have some proof before trying to make your opinion fact. Watch how second son is just going to be another overrated overhyped ps4 game.
calling someone fanboy and kid really show how mature you are also you call a game you never played overhyped and overrated and then you overhype and overrate another game you never played too lol XD
He never said that pc watch dogs would look worse than pc. What he said was that the console version would look best on ps4 and then added that eatch dogs would look best on pc in an attempt to get elitist morons like yourself to nlt pickout hos comment shame it didnt work.
Theres no pc game as good looking as infamous so how can watch dogs be better looking than infamous? Sorry son, but sucker punch aint playin around and you will feel very left out in a few days. Get use to it.
You're some funny lil shit, I'm pretty sure you are the "junior' from GAF that is trolling on the Infamous SS thread as well. Things are not looking good for you :)
"Watch how second son is just going to be another overrated overhyped ps4 game." Wow. Why don't you just buy a PS4? Then you won't have to hate on games that aren't coming to PC anymore. If you would be familiar with Sucker Punch's track record you would know that the chanes of Infamous Second Son being overrated or overhyped are vanishingly low.
@NeoTribe "There's no PC game as good looking as infamous" WHOAWHOAWHOA, what the hell? Do you SERIOUSLY believe that? -Battlefield 4 -Crysis 3 -Project CARS -Star Citizen -The Division (It'll look better on PC... just like Watch_Dogs will. And even if it doesn't, The Division looks better than Second Son. SS is impressive, but The Division is just factually better-looking from a technical standpoint) -The Witcher 2 (Yes, even The Witcher 2 still looks better, actually. And I'd like to keep everyone's thoughts on that SS is played at 30 FPS. Just remember that). -The Witcher 3 (if you think it'll look as good on consoles as it does on PC... Ha.) -Watch_Dogs (You're just lying to yourself if you think WD on PC doesn't look better than SS) Look, I'm looking forward to SS, and I think it's a very good looking game that I'll have just as much fun with as the previous two. But I'll be damned if I'm going to spot such OUTRAGEOUS crap like "Theres no pc game as good looking as infamous" and let that slide. Facts should ALWAYS be pushed in, especially when there's apparently more people than otherwise that believe such lies.
From what i get from being a lot of PC gamers is that its 10% buying and playing games at higher quality than consoles 90% going onto gaming sites and rubbing your nipples with your keyboard as you write comments on how much better your PC is than consoles to people who honestly just want to play the games.
@Shadonic Yes, because I comment oh, so regularly. Pull your head out of your ass. And the hypocrisy of your statement is just appalling, considering all anybody does on this friggin' site is cream anytime the word 'Sony' appears. How pathetic.
The closer we get to the 21st March, the more bitter hate we're going to see for Second Son, and I was right about this. The game has done nothing but impress, and nothing to disappoint, yet we're seeing hate for it. We saw the "downgrade" articles and now we can see that nothing was downgraded, but upgraded.
Oh yea.Those 4 or 5 pc games over the last 10 years on those $300 gpus and $200 cpus looks slightly better than Infamous.. No one is doubting that.
I already have Infamous Second Son paid for and I'm picking it up day one. It looks fantastic, but I think some people are really going too far with the hype of the graphics. It has excellent character models, but the textures and lighting are nothing special. There are almost no dynamic lights that cast shadows. Compare that with PC games like the ones AedanClarke mentioned and you can easily see the difference in the lighting engines. Watch Dogs is going to look fantastic on PC and next gen consoles. The PC version maxed out with high quality anti-aliasing and a smooth framerate is going to be a sight to behold. It's funny that some Sony fans won't accept that there has been a downgrade to Infamous Second Son and say it is all down to time of day differences, but they can't seem to recognize that the difference seen in Watch Dogs is also simply down to time of day lighting and weather differences. It's a double standard. It's like "no way can our precious exclusive be downgraded" but then they turn around and bash Watch Dogs since it is multi-platform.
@allgamespc2012 And what does PC games offer? stupid douchebag.
@ AedenClark well of course you don't, there's a bunch of other sites where you can gloat about your Crazy power PC that can simulate asteroids hitting Jupiter's moon if it wanted with ease. Also why did you even have to attack me I was just making a joke on whats seen on basically every article that's even remotely related to consoles. YOU!!! may not do it but there are many other gamers like yourself that do case and point like the one we have to reply to just to have this little confrontation.
But you also need to take into account that Watch Dogs is for last-gen consoles as well, Infamous SS is optimized for only one console. If Ubisoft made Watch Dogs only for current-gen (XO and PS4) and PC the graphics would have been better for sure. Last-gen is holding back next-gen.
how do you explain AC4 having better graphics than he recent watchdogs story trailer seems to show? it was a cross platform title AND launch title as well.
Sorry. They do not get a pass because they chose to also port to last gen. That was their decision. They could have implemented the work in a manner that would not affect Gen 8. They tried to do this on the cheap. inFamous has 1 dev team per 1 game. Ubisoft could have chose to do the same and let each team push each platform with a unique version. Instead they chose to watch their wallet first and worry about quality second. Yes a game has to make money but when you focus on profit rather than quality you actually lose money. When you push quality, you actually will make more money. Greed goggles always prevent this. As I have stated here Ubi did lie at E3 2012. But that said the game downgrade isn't as bad as some believe. Yet that game isn't graphically on the same planet as inFamous and multiplatform development spread among 6 or 7 studios is no excuse.
@morganfell Agreed. I do feel that Ubisoft has wasted WD's potential, but hopefully they make a WD 2 and make up for it. But this time with no last-gen.
SonofGod, Not attempting to play scratch my back I scratch yours, but you are dead on the money with the truth last gen is holding back the next gen. I am not suggesting companies abandon the users of last gen. Not in the least. But they do need to separate the development.
The faster devs drop current gen the better to be honest. I've vowed to not even touch any cross gen games until I have enough money to just buy next gen instead.
The Ubisoft dev responded... poorly. “Yeah it looks good, but what I want to know is how open and how alive it is as well. Will definitely play it.” As to the visual quality, he added, “Yes I saw. Looks nice. I’m looking forward to play it. I’m curious to see how alive the world is, so if you see let me know…” I get that he is trying to explain why there are graphical differences between inFamous and Watch Dogs, he says it's because Watch Dogs is a truly open world. However the way he says it he is subtly trashing inFamous' playability.
ubi should learn how not to lie to the public bout real game play. preach on it sucker punch.
Both games were downgraded. .. this gen is not what I ecpected.
you played either game?
Just going by the reports from the people who have actually played it and also from the videos posted online and I'm not talking about the crappy YouTube videos... The way some of you grown men defend these pieces of plastic is just sad ... no wonder aliens won't talk to us.
Infamous is very linear mission based, you did know that, right? Not a true open world game.
Huh? I'm curious to what your definition of open-world is. Far as I am aware, all open world games have linear missions, meaning you complete one main-story mission and it unlocks another. Also Infamous, like all other open-world games, have side missions and other things to do besides the main missions. Plus the fact you can roam around freely pretty much solidifies that it is a true open world game. Would you consider GTA an open world game? cause Infamous is no different. Only thing I can think of that would make Infamous "less" of an open-world game is that parts of the city are locked off until you progress the story further (don't know how Infamous:SS will handle this, but previous Infamous games did it this way). But once you unlock all the parts, everything is 100% open.
Both will be great games. I honestly think Sucker Punch is going to knock it out of the park with this one though.
I expected watch dogs to be as good as infamous.. lol that even sounds funny considering it might not be as good as gta v
His reply seems a little tacky. Looks "nice" and questioning how alive and open the city is. Just seems a bit sour grapes. But, in fairness to the guy, he was being trolled by a thread on Neogaf and he doesn't really need to respond to the quality of other devs games. Watchdogs will not look as good visually as infamous, but I'm still hoping it will be a great game of a different flavor to infamous. There's no reason to pit them against each other other than being open world. I'll be getting both.
True he dies also say in a tweet he's looking forward to pkaying the game on its release this coning week so at least he's not asking the question and not playing the game.... I think all he means is there will be less interaction with pedestrians etc than in watch dogs, where you can profile everyone etc.
That's my tweet again and I think I am right because that is what I think the player deserve the truth about the game...
People really hopped on the anti-hype-shit-train with this game. It's okay to be critical, but this level of hate is really ignorant imo. It will look pretty great for a crossgen crossplatform game. People will be surprised i think. And don't forget, you can play both games...
Only with PS4 are you able to play both games since PS4 is the only console with actual exclusives.
PS4 is the only console with actual exclusives? Ok, so evidently you conveniently forget about MS: - D4 - Kinect Sports: Rivals - Killer Instinct - Halo -Fantasia:Music Evolved - Below - Sunset Overdrive - Dead Rising 3 -Quantum Break -Fable Legends -Black Tusk IP -New Gears And let's talk about some of those ps4 "exclusives" that people like to brag about so much. 1. Blacklight Retribution.........ON PC 2. Contrast...................... .......ON PC 3. DC Universe Online...........ON PC 4. DiveKick...................... ......ON PC 5. Minecraft..................... .......ON PC 6. Pinball Arcade....................ON PC 7. Super Motherload............ON PC 8. Tiny Brains.......................O N PC 9. Warframe...................... ...ON PC 10. War Thunder....................ON PC 11. Planetside 2…………….on PC 12 Octodad…………………….on PC 13. Don’t starve……………on PC 14.Transistor................ ....on PC 15.Secret Ponchos.............on PC 16.The Witness...................on PC And there's more, and let's also forget about the Wii U library right? In other words.Take the fanboy nonsense somewhere else please, because you make ps4 owners like myself look bad when you say ignorant crap like "only ps4 has actual excuses." OT: It's good that the creators of Watch Dogs can appreciate a game that graphically, looks much better than theirs. That kinda stuff really exposes the immaturity of fanboys comparing and hating on the title because of the difference in graphical fidelity. Plus you have to remember the things that Watch Dogs has that Infamous does not, Infamous has amazing particle effects and real-time facial motion capture, but no dynamic weather, lighting, or shadows, or a day and night cycle, Watch Dogs has dynamic weather, lighting, and shadows, and a day and night cycle, but very little particle effects to be seen, and the facial animation is definitely not on the level of Infamous SS. Trade offs always have to be made, it all depends on the developer and what they're trying to achieve. EDIT:Gotta love the stealth disagrees. Stay classy n4g.
"Only with PS4 are you able to play both games since PS4 is the only console with actual exclusives" Agreed Shane, Agent and The Last Guardian are actual exclusives on the PS3 so I will trust Sony with the PS4. /S
@CrossingEden you forgot the rest Ps4 exclusive let me help ya m8 The Last Guardian Deep Down Drive Club Uncharted Infamous second son Helldivers Hohokum MLB 14: The Show The Order: 1886 natural doctrine Everybody's Gone to the Rapture Lily Bergamo N++ Phantom Breaker: Battle Grounds Overdrive Rime Shadow of the Beast Velocity 2X Doki-Doki Universe Kodoku Nobunaga no Yabō: Sozō Pavilion Project Phoenix Pool Nation Extreme/FX Pure Pool Ryū ga Gotoku Ishin! Rocketbirds 2: Evolution
@Crossing Black Tusk IP never existed to be precise. Sorry buddy.
I don't know man, even if the visual of Watchdog is not up to par with inFamous: SS, you got to remember the former is multiplat and cross-gen and is about 35-40 hours compare to 10-12 hours of inFamous. I think as long as the game is fun, that is all that matters. GTA, for example, is never about graphics either and is one of the best franchises of all time.
Watchdog 35-40 hours is the whole game with side missions not just the main story 10-12 hours is just for the main story in infamous ss with out the side missions the main story in all open world games take from 10-12 hours to finish
You can almost double that couse you need to play inFamous at least twice for the full experience.
No he said the whole game abit of free roam and some side missions would be about 40 hrs and todo every side mission and colectible erc woukd likely take closer to 100 hours. Infamous is 10-12 hrs main story closer to 20-25 to get all collectibles and do all sode missions etc.
@extermin8or hmmm, i didn't know that thanks for the info but we don't know how long WD would take to finish as a whole yet also you need to take into account that infamous games take almost 30-40 hours to finish on each of the good side and the bad side
It's 24 hours for infamous due to the good and bad side
I think the phrase open world is getting a lot of misuse lately.
in honesty ubisoft needs to release some next gen and pc gameplay footage thats direct feed as soon as possible.
Montreal is far more experienced studio when it comes to open world games...AC, Farcry and now WD ..AC4 was so ambitious and epic with dynamic weather system and shadows and water effects which is all missing in Infamous....No Dynamic shadows or weather system in Infamous ..They have focused more on lighting and particle effects than shadows and weather system....Weather is there but it's all mission based same goes day/night cycle... I doubt Sucker punch can make a game like AC4 with naval combat and all.... WD feels quite different..I have never played any game where you can control stuff around with mobile phone..lol.. Infamous is nothing but Superhero game ...Reminds me of crackdown for some reason GTA V lastgen game had dynamic weather sysem and shadows but not Infamous which is a shame...
Hi Zod, I'm going to try keep this as nice as possible. But your statements are sooo off the mark that I find it incredibly hard not to think that you're either drunk, or maybe we'll call a spade, a spade and agree that you're indeed as stupid as you sound. infamous has always been about superpowers and blowing things up. So you want me to believe that the creators of the game made the wrong choice by focusing on particle effects which are would directly impact superpowes and blowing things up? You wanted the game to have crappy effects and graphics but great shadows and weather effects? Haha, sooo stupid. How about you tell us what's really hurting you Zod, tell us what's really keeping you up at night. I mean who would say something as dumb sounding as this: "WD feels quite different..I have never played any game where you can control stuff around with mobile phone..lol."
You realise infamous does have dynamic shadows? And there are different weather effects that change as the game goes on. Depending on the weather and time of day dpends on how strong those shadow eefects etc will be they've already said this themselves...
There are no dynamic shadows or weather system in Infamous SS..Devs already ccnfirmed it....Go google and check for yourself....Weather system is based on missions..it's not dynamic like lastgen open world games AC4 or GTAV games...lol @Cupid Viper Can you name one open world game which allows you to hack electronic items around you using mobile phone..You can hack cameras, lights and entire sub-way system using your phone in WD plus there is also unique M.P in WD ....Game is clearly more ambitious and unique than Infamous SS..Just coz WD is delayed and graphics are different from E3 2012 footage that doesn't mean you get license to bash WD without even trying it....
That's all possible but still - Ubisoft showed as something beautiful and we thought it would become reality. When I saw the demo at e3 I was so pumped for Watchdogs. I immediately preordered it. After the delay I canceled my pre-order because I had a bad feeling about the game. And while Ubisoft let us down by showing us something they claimed would be the end product Sucker Punch delivered and gave us the graphics we deserve.
If you preorder your games solely on graphics then there's something wrong with you.
A big part of AAA games are the graphics. And there is no real way in my country to pre-order indie-games. I love indie games. Sound Shapes, Hotline Miami and stuff like that are among the best games of all time imo. So don't judge me if you don't know me
Oh my fucking...I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DAMNED VISUAL EFFECTS! We've beaten the graphics horse into the ground, resurrected it, and beaten it again! Focus much more on the gameplay aspects, PLEASE! I'm not buying your game for how "next gen" the damned fog looks; I'm playing it for the gameplay experience! The Story, the Characters, the Abilities, the unique gameplay gimmicks! Divulge more of THAT stuff, I BEG of you!