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The Elder Scrolls Online and the Problem With Subscription Games

Gamemoir looks at Zenimax’s decision to go with a subscription model after playing The Elder Scrolls Online's beta.

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spoonard4119d ago

There is nothing wrong with buying a game and paying a monthly sub for it. That's how it has always worked. Then the free-to-play models showed up and everyone hated those. So no we go back to what we had, the thing we liked. Pay for your game, then it's a simple matter of paying your monthly sub fee to play, no micro transactions to be had! Just play like we used to.

Nyromith4119d ago

I totally agree with you. I hate it when those so called 'free to play' games apply subtle pressure on you to buy in-game items with real money.

In my opinion there should be a complete separation between in-game and real life economy. In-game economy should cover stuff like items, spells, transport and whatever else. Real life fee is about servers, administrators, customer support and such.

The problem is when the game devs succumb to greed and starting to use all of the three - initial cost, monthly fee and microtransactions. Unfortunately my favorite game of all times, World of Warcraft, is going this route more and more lately.

So this is my only demand from Elder Scrolls - I'm fine with monthly fee, but don't even dare to put a cross-economy store in the game.

Unfortunately IIRC they are already selling an entire race for extra money, so I remain skeptical about this game.

Jdoki4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

I agree there's nothing wrong with buying the game and then paying a sub. But in general the up front cost for MMO games has always been lower than non-subscription games.

For example Final Fantasy XIV is really cheap on PS4, PC and PS3. Other MMO's have similar pricing.

The problem with ESO is that they are charging full price, and a subscription. I don't like that. It makes me think two things.. 1) They are banking on the Elder Scrolls name to get people to buy it, so think suckers will pay full price. Or, 2) The game isn't good enough to keep people subscribed longer term, so they are trying to profit at the start.

Then there's microtransactions I believe as well. I suspect they will also sell expansions on top, so the total cost of ESO is going to be higher than any other subscription MMO's in the short and long term. And from everything I have seen and read the game does not justify that price.

Yui_Suzumiya4119d ago

It just looks bland to me unfortunately

epoxe4119d ago

The crowd of gamers that hop from F2P to F2P are toxic as hell. I'll gladly pay for content, but as an added bonus it keeps a lot of trolls at bay.

N4GJD4119d ago

I will continue to only support the Pay-to-Play model with no microtransactions, and quality downloadable content actually made after the game's release. Subscription is just too expensive. And Free-to-Play is just absolutely terrible in so many ways.

epoxe4119d ago

How is pay-to-play different than subscription?

YungDragon4118d ago

You buy the Game once, then no monthly fees. you may have to pay for expansions though. Depends on the company of course

il-JumperMT4119d ago

There is nothing wrong with subcription games like FFXIV, but TESO is horrible.

epoxe4119d ago

There is nothing wrong with subcription games like FFXIV, and TESO is amazing.

Are_The_MaDNess4118d ago

there is nothing wrong with a monthly model, if the game have a premium feel to it and have content and enough to grab people. ESO have none of those....
its a sad husk of an mmo that is set in a world shaped after tamriel but isnt tamriel itself.

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"We Like Where We are Right Now": ESO's Developers on Player Milestones and Elsweyr's Future

When Elder Scrolls Online launched back in 2014, I didn't find much exciting about it. It was an MMO that stuck close to the template established by World of Warcraft, rather than the Elder Scrolls games that preceded it. Elder Scrolls Online wore the clothing, but it lacked the heart and soul, and fans were open with their disappointment. Five years later, Zenimax Online's exploration of Tamriel is celebrating 13.5 million players, up 2.5 million from the previous year. It's a fantastic turnaround, one which Bethesda attributes to the players that kept enjoying the game.

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Lack Of Cross-Play Is Holding 'Elder Scrolls Online' Back As The Industry Moves Forward

More and more games are starting to support cross-platform multiplayer and the lack of cross-play on Elder Scrolls Online is severely holding it back as the rest of the industry keeps moving forward.

Razzer2205d ago

Hilarious to see articles like this after all the bullshit posturing about cross play from Pete Hines and Todd Howard.

VenomUK2205d ago

Fallout '76 doesn't have cross-play - because Bethesda have CHOSEN to not put it in, Peter Hines said this himself!
The experience of The Elder Scrolls Online is not diminished by no cross-play and I suspect it is not a priority for Bethesda.

But this is an example of why games 'journalists' need to have a proper journalism training, so they understanding about why they should avoid projecting their own opinions, (this sounds like a rant) and also checking the information presented by a source to see if they are trying to influence the journalist/writer.

XtaZ2205d ago

ESO is not a Bethesda game and they have no say in ESO getting cross-play or not.

UncertainCategory2205d ago (Edited 2205d ago )

Whoa I very much disagree about your comment on ESO not being diminished by no cross play.

Have you every tried using matchmaking in that game? Or waited in a public dungeon for someone to show up? It can talk up to an hour depending on the content you’re chasing. The experience could be considerably improved if matchmaking could pull from all available players rather than segmenting them into three groups.

rainslacker2205d ago

Kind of funny that they say that, since I don't think any of the console makers seem opposed to supporting cross play with other consoles when it comes to MMO's like this, Sony based on FFXI, and now MS who's all about cross play. It was a big MMO that got Sony started on it, so is it really something that was pursued, or is this just some postulation by the articles author that this is the problem with ESO, which I wasn't even aware had a problem. Couldn't it just be that they never tried to implement it, because they could have done it on PC/PS, or Xbox/PC if they thought it was important.

william_cade2205d ago

No it's not. The shit MT scheme is holding it back. You have to wait to open the loot or pay not to wait. It sucks.

ocelot072205d ago

ESO has loot boxes now? Are you sure you are not being confused with Elder Scrolls Blades? That will have cross play once it releases on more platforms.

UncertainCategory2205d ago (Edited 2205d ago )

ESO has had loot boxes for a few years now. They do seasonal loot creates that contain unique cosmetics, potions, food, and other items. They can even drop EXP boosts for your character or mount. It’s not.. really pay to win I suppose but it skirts that line

I’m actually surprised ESO has avoided some of the loot create controversy, it’s super there.

No timers in opening loot though, that’s the mobile game Blades you’re thinking of.

King_Noctis2205d ago

Like ocelot said, the game you are referring to is Elder Scroll Blade, which is a shitty mobile game.

Elder Scrolls Online is actually a really good game.

thejigisup2205d ago

Crossplay should never make or break a game.

Vanfernal2205d ago (Edited 2205d ago )

No it isn't...

TheColbertinator2205d ago

ESO is fun at times but it has a few problems that ZeniOnline will never fix.

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One Game We Would Play for the Rest of Our Lives

The staff at Gaming Respawn go over some special video game titles they could play forever in One Game We Would Play for the Rest of Our Lives

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Leeroyw2231d ago

I would play a looter shooter like borderlands 2 forever. Not cause it's good, and it is... But because there's so much content there and ways to play and the endless guns would make it bearable.