Rumours abound Microsoft might sell Xbox to Amazon, to remove distractions from their focus on enterprise. Codec Moments think that could be a good thing!
Even if this is a possibility, it won't happen for a long time. New CEO just came in, and Elop as the head of devices, so no way he tries to kill his job. His focus, will be to bring the division to profitability and cut unnecessary finances, which I'm sure he's already starting. This will likely be some of the spending habits that the xbox division does, which are unhealthy.
I would love to know if their tradition of paying huge money to get their name branded and DLC first like Call of Duty and TitanFall is really working for them in the long run. Nintendo was urged to license their games for other systems as a way to build up revenue. Can you imagine if Halo or Gears was releases for PS and Wii systems?
If that happened, it would be devastating for Mircosoft. That's like Sony giving Uncharted and Grand Turismo to the competition. Each console needs its flagship titles along with great new IPs to be able to sell units.
Repost? http://n4g.com/news/1457673... http://n4g.com/news/1465052... http://n4g.com/news/1459835...
Silly jhawk This is PSN4G, if it's a negative xbox article it is never a repost. I'm sure they changed enough info in this post to make it new again. Now if it would be about Killzone then it would be buried.
Right but if Microsoft keeps losing pace they may have to do something. They have invested Billions on the Xbox systems and according to reports, they will never make their money back as while it shows a profit, it is not returning a huge profit compared to investment.
"Now if it would be about Killzone then it would be buried." -Yep, you got that right Kribwalker and Microsoft has already said this is nonsense, but they'll keep righting this junk for hits anyway, just another worthless opinion piece. Moving on.
And that deserved all those disagrees? Place is gone amok with rabid fanboys..... Wet dreamers....
Or maybe MS buys Amazon......who will know
Sounds cool I would stay with them or just strictly go to pc or wait for Samsung to own the market.
I'd hack away my backlog for every console I own and choose WiiU as my 8th gen console. Got no love for the sony camp
No thank you.
I reckon it's a dumb idea x1 is making money per console its only seems to be doing bad compared to ps4 which is selling brilliantly. But xbox one is still selling well. Sony is actually the one that should maybe venture on new business deals and its not due to ps4. The ps4 is selling great it's there other products that are selling terribly.
Thank you!!! The only company in REAL trouble here is Sony. Even Nintendo has a large amount of cash reserves along with Microsoft. You know who doesn't??? I'll let you guys take a wild guess. This is just stupid fanboy wishing.
Microsoft is not really making money in x1. Its so low its basically a break even deal. As for Sony and its business deals if you've been paying attention that's exactly what they've been doing since Kaz took over. Buying sole ownership of their mobile devices from ericcson, spinning off the TV division, buying gakai, selling the VAIO computer brand etc. @Ginesis as for Sony being in real trouble youre wrong. Yes they're not performing as well they want but if needed Sony has enough sellable and valuable assets that they could easily get cash for.
@junkins just stop man cause you have no idea what you're talking about. Microsoft makes more of a profit off of the Xone than Sony does with the PS4. You're right they can sell their divisions but not at "asking price". So they'll sell at a loss! This is to EVERYONE! The PS4 alone can't save Sony!!!! No matter how good its selling. THEY ARE IN TROUBLE AS A WHOLE COMPANY. Kaz is doing what he can but its like putting a Band-aid on a wound that needs stitches/staples, all you're doing is slowing down bleeding out!
For those in denial about how good sony is doing. http://www.macroaxis.com/in... Sony has a horrible working capital ratio. Meaning they can not pay their debts when they are due. Which also means they may not be able to pay their employees.
@ SITH. Yeah, you don't know how Macroaxis works, do you? There isn't a reputable financial analyst alive predicting bankruptcy for Sony. The possibility of Sony going bankrupt isn't even being discussed outside of gaming sites, most not understanding the limitations of Macroaxis algorithm. http://n4g.com/news/1429540...
I never get this. Amazon has enough money. If they were serious about gaming with Sony, Ninty and Micro then there is nothing stopping them from building a powerful machine and releasing it to the masses. Where's this law that either one of the 3 has to go for this to happen?
Yea they do have the money but it would be such a big risk and they'd likely have to take a big loss on hardware like they do with the kindle and hope to recoup with its content delivery. Amazon does have cloud expertise and could potentially rival Sony and PlayStation now. I find this rumor very intriguing.
They aren't mega rich. They run off really fine profit margins so whilst income is huge, the profits they post in comparison are tiny.
They are buying studios and also getting into making movies n shows for their own network. If Nintendo can do their thing then Amazon can too if they so choose. If they didn't have the money I doubt they'd be in the running to buy the Xbox division (based on these persistent and unsubstantiated rumors).
This is ridiculous, MS has long put this rumor to rest firmly denying it, i'm not sure why this author is speculating on the previously refuted...
Makes for a great fan whack its something other fans can come together on and socialise way better than gaming.
and Microsoft should just buy the entire Sony company cash.
That was funny. I agree.
Maybe Microsoft should just buy Sony and be done with it.
Just to offer some perspective here. Sony employs 146,000 people worldwide with annual sales of $78.5 billion and has $160 billion in assets. Microsoft employs around 100,000, has annual sales of $73 billion and assets of $128 billion. And they're in completely different businesses. Sony's a multinational conglomerate focusing on electronics and financial services. Microsoft is primarily a software company. Even if Microsoft wanted decided one day they wanted Sony's electronic business, banking business, insurance business, music buisness, etc...the idea that a company Microsoft's size could simply afford to purchase something as large as Sony is ludicrous. Microsoft would have more luck trying to buy the Bahamas than a company the size of Sony.
@darkride66 that's a flat out LIE. Stop it!
That boy making up numbers. Aint seen some shit like that on n4g since 2 minutes ago. MS rakes in more in one year than Sony in 10
Microsoft could buy Sony console market share. To buy up all the assets of Sony. I doubt Microsoft has the money to do that. Sony console business is doing good, so that's not likely to happen. Your figures are not accurate. Microsoft revenue for 2013 was 78 billion. 72 billion for Sony same 2013 Sony worldwide Assets stand at 151 billion Microsoft 142 billion Total equity is huge for Microsoft over Sony though. 28 billion for Sony 78 billion for Microsoft. Why equity is important. A balance sheet is like a company's report card. It displays the company's potential and gives investors information about the company's financial condition, including liabilities and overall value. Investors can use this information to make decisions about their involvement with the business. Total equity and net assets are two terms that give insight into a company's balance sheet. http://www.sony.net/SonyInf... http://www.microsoft.com/in...
Hey high speed, you may have missed the facts. But here is some information disputing everything you just said. http://www.macroaxis.com/in... Sony has a negative working capital ratio. Meaning when their debts are due, they can not pay! They may be filing for bankruptcy in 2 years. What you posted above is what is owed to them, not what they have. What I posted is that even if they get what is owed, they can not pay. http://www.macroaxis.com/in... and not everything is actual cash whether you know it or not. 160 billion in assets can mean 1billion in actual cash. Or it can be 159 billion in product, buildings, property, employee safety equipment, aircraft, cars, trucks, and even food! Anything owned that can generate cash, or has value to the company can be considered an asset. Sony would essentially have to sell itself to pay the debts it owes, in other words... bankruptcy! Liquidation of assets to pay debts! You and I do it, we can start over. Sony does it, they die!
Holy crap. They don't have Google on your internet? Every year, Forbes does a list of the 2000 largest publicly traded companies, ranks them and provides information on each company. And it's not as if this information isn't simply available on each company's investor relations site. http://www.forbes.com/globa... As KNWS pointed out, this information is just a snapshot in time and these figures fluctuate. But the point stands. This should should dispel this ridiculous notion that Microsoft could simply walk up and purchase a company the size of Sony. On a side note (for KNWS) don't forget to consider Sony's banking and insurance business. This is an area that Microsoft doesn't exist in and on the books, every dollar on deposit with Sony's banks, every bond they issue, every insurance policy outstanding, these are all counted as liabilities as they have to be paid out at some point in the future. As this business grows and becomes more successful, the liabilities grow as that's the very nature of that industry. People often look at Sony's debt and see it as a drawback, not understanding that as a financial institution they're supposed to have debt. The creation of debt is what makes that business work. It's also why simple formula like those used over at macroaxis can't accurately measure the prospects of multinational conglomerates like Sony with large financial divisions without it messing up their figures. @SITH. Consider this. Sony's credit issues are just barely below what's considered investment grade for larger portfolios (or "junk" status) but that doesn't mean they're anywhere close to bankruptcy. If Sony were teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, they're credit rating would be about 10 rankings lower than it is now. Instead, it's just below investment grade, which is actually where most bond rating agencies have Japanese electronics makers at the moment due to currency fluctuations, recovery from natural disasters and a changing electronics market. Macroaxis is simply a algorithm-based prediction tool. Their results are very easily skewed. While Sony's recovering following their restructuring is expected to be slow, there isn't a reputable financial analyst alive that's predicting Sony bankruptcy. Quite the opposite, I see more than a few "Strong Buy" ratings out there for the stock.
Interesting article. He pretty much summed up the reason it won't happen though. Here is why: "An enterprise focussed Microsoft might see the Xbox brand as a distraction, if that were the case would it be allowed to ‘tick over’ as long as it’s profitable with little investment and innovation?" The key words here are "An Enterprise Focused Microsoft". This is rather important because MS, Bill Gates, and the board know that there is zero growth in the enterprise market for them. They own it lock, stock, and barrel. What MS wants is growth. They have missed out on several occasions like the emergence of smart phones and social media. They had the tech and the resources but failed to move on it. Thus Apple and Facebook moved into the niche. In this case we are talking about where MS can find growth. Yes, they make huge amounts in the commercial sector but they own it and there is no growth. They make huge amounts from the PC market but that is shrinking. This is why Bill Gates and MS's Board of Directors have been pushing very aggressively into the consumer market. Buying Nokia was a wise move. It is known for quality. Couple that with a brand they already own that is a household name aka Xbox and you have a strong entry into the consumer market. Xbox is a keystone in this strategy that they simply cannot do without if they are going to grab a large chunk of the consumer pie. Just look at the hints you get from MS on this strategy. The spend billions to lock up Nokia which is set for a resurgence, spread the Windows OS across all devices, do exactly the opposite of what the author suggests is going to happen to Xbox; spend billions on it and seemingly continue to do so. That married with their expansion into the cloud market for both commercial and consumer and you can see where they are going. They want to continue to be the go to company for households. They had it with the PC market and now that that is slowly degrading they want to transition into mobile, entertainment/media, and cloud services. Very entertaining article but also unrealistic and does not seem to understand how MS is trying to transition itself.
No,SONY should sell the PS division to MS.
I don't care who owns Xbox. Show me the games!
Just Stahp already. 20th post on how Amazon should buy MS.Tomorrow there will be five more posts on how Titanfall is overhyped. Then the next day two more posts on MS selling to Amazon. Saturday two more of how Elop was overheard saying he has already signed a deal to sell to Samsung. Sunday two more posts on how MS needs to drop kinect, Monday how the XB1 cannot output 1080p native. Tuesday, a few more posts on how MS is doomed and the XB1 is worse than a toaster, Wednesday 10 to 20 posts recapping the other days of the week and Thursday rinse and repeat. I am gonna get disagrees up the wazoo and probably off topic votes and others so, thanks in advance :)
Amazon buying Sony is more plausible. .since sony has a strong foot in entertainment content...I'm not sure what else is bringing in profits for Sony..pc business gone..tv have been weak..Maybe insurance and ps
You can't make profit if you don't sell. Sony is far behind apple and Samsung any profit atm must be fairly negligible although the division is heading in the right direction - the xperia Z range is a very good alternative to the galaxies and iPhone and whilst those two are stumbling with a lack of innovation Sony could catch up if they keep up the quality in the next few years
"You can't make profit if you don't sell. Sony is far behind apple and Samsung any profit atm must be fairly negligible although the division is heading in the right direction - the xperia Z range is a very good alternative to the galaxies and iPhone and whilst those two are stumbling with a lack of innovation Sony could catch up if they keep up the quality in the next few years" That is such an American centric way of looking at it it's almost disgusting...
Explain. It's a fact that Sony sell hardly any phones even if they are getting better. If you're not selling many units, you're not exactly going to be making huge profit margins are you? By the way, I'm from the UK.
sony should sell off their entire company and keep the playstation brand only. if we are to go by this type of crap, then sony should just cut their losses and sell everything!
Sony's engineers for it's entire entertainment division are consolidated with the playstation division engineers. Engineers will either be terminated or moved exclusively to playstation. Selling off other divisions to prop up just the playstation division will not work though. Playstation is absolutely no where near profitable enough to prop up sony by itself. It needs the other divisions, none of the, are healthy. All of them are in a critical state. There is a reason sony sold it's PC division and terminated 5,000 employees.
If MS exits gaming then it would open the door for Sony and MS to partner together in writing various softwares for other devices like Windows phone or Videogame APIs
This site loves posting this so called story, for the 1000th time it isnt going to happen sorry n4g but no matter how many times you put this type of article up it wont make it so.
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