Donkey Kong/Metroid Prime dev calls Wii U a "powerhouse," confirms new game Retro Studios says the perception that the Wii U is not a powerful console is "just not true," confirms work on new game, but what could it be?
"Powerhouse" I think they are exaggerating a little
Oh yeah, because you have years of experience developing on the Wii U let alone a Nintendo platform.
I'm not saying I do....but I could turn around and say they haven't developed on other platforms to call the Wii U a "powerhouse". I mean you hear that kind of term when you have an article talking about Skyrim/Tomb Raider on max settings on the PC for example. I'm not saying anything bad but his choice of wording is a little poor. Powerful sure...but POWERHOUSE Come on...not really the best choice of words.
@Foxtrot "I'm not saying I do....but I could turn around and say they haven't developed on other platforms to call the Wii U a "powerhouse" " Well, by that logic, I guess any comments about the PS4 that are coming from dev-teams like Sony Santa Monica and Naughty Dog also shouldn't be taken fully, right? Who do you think knows the hardware better; you - some gamer dude on the Net - or the actual team who only has the Wii U and the 3DS to focus on?
@AKR "Well, by that logic, I guess any comments about the PS4 that are coming from dev-teams like Sony Santa Monica and Naughty Dog also shouldn't be taken fully, right?" It dosen't actually work like that though. The Wii U is less powerful then the PS4 and Xbox One, we all know that it's common knowledge...you brought this up by the way so don't make this into a "Which is more powerfull argument" it's not about that at all....ANYWAY.... so obviously if you have someone like NaughtyDog or 343 talk about the consoles they are obviously going to know about the Wii U. If we know that I'm pretty sure developers do aswell without the need to develop for it. I mean you don't need to develop for the Wii U to know you can't do Quantum Break or The Order 1886 on it....get what I mean. If you have a developer working on a less powerful console and they don't know about working on more powerful hardware then how can you give that console the term "powerhouse" when you haven't actually seen what your capable of on actual more powerful hardware. It's common sense. The thing you have to remember though is that the Xbox One and the PS4 are POWERHOUSES compared to the Wii U. To call the Wii U a powerhouse seems like he's matching it up to the other two consoles...when it's not, it's powerful but it's not a "powerhouse". All I was saying is that it was a bad choice of words, thats all. It's been out a year a bit now and we haven't seen anything come out which looks as good as The Order or Quantum Break. The best thing they've shown off which could rival that is Monolith Soft's "X" which in my opinion is the best looking Wii U game by far. Gee you say one little thing against them and everyone bites your head off. Turning the whole thing or trying to, into a massive argument. There's honestly no need for it at all.
I'd say if it is, then show me what it can do.
Like every game, it can be done on last gen and so on Wii U, too. It doesnt look as nice, but it works. It is funny, how you guys name games and act like, it is common knowledge, that it cannot run on Wii U. Crysis 3 worked on a Xbox360, it just had lower graphics settings, like the lowest possible on PC, but it worked. Almost all CoDs came to the original Wii, it looked worse, but it worked. Watchdogs comes to last and current gen, Assassins Creed, too. Every game could be done on last gen. You name a game with great graphics and say it is not doable, but the graphics say nothing about a game being able to run, it just has to be scaled. Nobody says it will be super beautiful, I mean, CoD on Wii really looked horrible, but I guess you all get my point.
@-Foxtrot "The Wii U is less powerful then the PS4 and Xbox One, we all know that it's common knowledge" Actually .. uhm ... NO! You're comparing apples and oranges. The X1 and PS4 have more "raw horsepower", but use it very inefficiently, as much due to their x86 environment as anything else. Wii U uses out of order processing, has better resource management/better use of pipelines, CPU +edram combination. You're comparing a '67 musclecar with a new honda civic. In pure horsepower musclecar wins, but all that muscle isn't buying you that much due to the inefficiencies of the old technology used. PS4 and Xbox1 are on old technology.
@chrischi1988: exactly. It all depends on what the devs want to invest into. Modern engines allow scaling and most of them run even on mobile platforms like unreal engine... The wii u is powerful enough for modern games. The need for speed game was a port from 360 and they made it look like the pc version in 720p. I'd say all things considered, factoring in that they have different CPU architectures and RAM structure, the wii u can produce about the same graphics as the xb1. But wii u exclusive devs usually don't got for such a realistic look. So its hard to compare, and since a wiiu exclusive will never get ported to the xb1 and vice versa we will never be able to really compare.
@Ultimatemaster Zelda HD, 3d Mario, Pikmin & DK country just check the graphics on these, btw, Wiiu produce 1080p with 60fps while Xbone is struggling to do so
@Foxtrot "To call the Wii U a powerhouse seems like he's matching it up to the other two consoles...when it's not." I'm sorry, but where did they say that was the case? Is it that you can't say the console is powerful without automatically comparing it to the PS4 and the Xbox One? Come on, dude, you're taking it from the wrong angle. Their choice of words does not mean a comparative, you know. The Wii U, as we know, is not at the level of Sony's and Microsoft's consoles, but its power, on it's own right, is not insignificant or nonexistent.
Exactly. The Wii U is such a powerhouse that developers are just choosing to leave their next gen games off of it..... The Wii U might be a fun system but it's not a powerhouse by technical standards or sales. Powerhouse is the last word I would associate with the Wii U.
Thats what I'm trying to say but people are either missing the point or twisting it into something else. If it was such a powerhouse then why are so many publishers and developers not putting third party games on the console. Ubisoft have tried to be the biggest supporter of the Wii U but it seems lately Nintendo are not doing anything to strengthen that relationship and now Ubisoft seem to be loosing interest. Where is Thief, Battlefied 4, Dying Light, The Evil Within, Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, Final Fantasy 15, Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, Metal Gear Solid V, Tomb Raider, Tom Clancy's The Division, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Wolfenstein: The New Order etc
The Wii U is very powerful, but because of the different architecture developers can't simply port games over. That is why many multiplat games aren't on the Wii U. In order to have an extremely good looking game the developers would have to build from the ground up for the Wii U. It is possible for Wii U games to look very similar graphically to X1 and PS4 if done for the Wii U instead of a port. So developers that leave the Wii U just don't want the extra work to make it possible to make great games.
Man you and fox need to stop beating your head against the wall, arguing with nintendo fans. To them the wii u is a powerhouse or very powerful, it is slightly better than 8 yr old hardware in reality. Nintendo is done in the console business, talk about the games because the wii u's hardware isn't impressive in the least nintendo guys.
I understand, that it is not as powerful, as a PS4 or Xbox One, but to say it is just slightly better than 8 year old hardware, is just as delusional, as nintendo fanboys saying it is just as good as a PS4.
"The Wii U is such a powerhouse that developers are just choosing to leave their next gen games off of it" Developers are less concerned about power, and more concerned about ability to port over the largest number of platforms possible. PC, Xbox1 and PS4 are all similar technology. Wii U is a different technology, and the decision to not develop for Wii U is all about economics, not "power"
Uh. The devs are not bodyswerving the wiiu due to lack of power. They are bodyswerving because, at the moment, the install base of WiiU is small and in general only have a WiiU for Nintendo games so 3rd party titles such as AC4 and COD sell horribly hence it's not worth the investment. They maay blame lack of power but thats BS because modern game enggines are designed to be scaleable so that you can port the game to inferior hardware. Having seen some of the games slated to come out this year id suggest the gap between WiiU and PS4/X1 aint as big as some people think. Also starting to think we could have a Zelda/Metroid double whammy at E3
Foxtrot, no games are on the Wii U because 3rd party devs are lazy. They don't want to take the time to learn the system that has a small fanbase. We have a small fanbase because they won't develop, and they won't develop because we are small. If Retro says the Wii U is a powerhouse, I believe them, because they have some of the best talent in the industry on that team.
did you hear yourself? it might be a fun system, but im going to go play the one that sucks, because on paper its more powerful. lmfao i know reviews arent everything, but go check out wii u exclusives scores compared to xone and ps4. lol you do remember you brought that console to play games, not post its specs on n4g?
Lol, instant "off topic" and I lose one bubble, and this guy/girl who's trolling every Nintendo article gets more bubbles everyday!! This website is a joke.
Because you were Off topic Saying something like the dev is over exaggerating is not trolling. You guys really need to look up what trolling actually is, look up -Mika perfect example. I mean you saying things now is off topic..."every Nintendo article", gimmie a break man. Like I said before the last article was about Waluigi and how I wanted to see him in Smash Bros...how is that trolling? Your comment was off topic and in the end you were trying to start an argument where one wasn't needed. Your comment in general was totally irrelevant to the article at hand. I hope that clears things up for you.
I lost a bubble for being ''off topic'' even though I was on topic. I 100% agree that this site is a complete joke. I love your pic. Is that from Shadow Man?
@REDBEARD: Thanks and yes it's from Shadow man 64, perhaps the most creepy, fun and deeply unsettling action/horror game I've ever played, I wish that someday we get a proper sequel or remake for that classic, they don't make'em like they used to!
@-Foxtrot Would you stop and listening to yourself. You are saying "for we are many" is off-topic but you bring PS4 and Xbone into this article which for one. - The article is about competing system vs Wii U two -Retro Studios ONLY develop for Nintendo and owned by them. The article is comparing Wii to Wii U on both DKC games. and THREE - In terms of visuals Retro Studios alongside Nintendo EAD and Monolith Soft shows Nintendo system true potential. The amount of house power is large. I think you are the one off-topic.
compared to PS3 & Xbox 360 it is. Compared to what we've been getting the last 7 years, it is. It has 4X the memory. Yes it's OBVIOUSLY not as powerful as PS4 or XB1, but people are acting like it's got the power of a ps1 or something. Wii U is a legit console, it just has minimal support from people who actually make the more popular games. Appears to be indie heaven though. Wii U needs to capture at least one genre. Fighting, RPG, tactics, Platformers ect...something.. I still have a good feeling about Wii U's potential, but it will never be what we want it to be.
"but people are acting like it's got the power of a ps1 or something" I know, I find that if you say something your in one or two groups. Your in the the Wii U can match up to the PS4/Xbox One group or the the Wii U is as powerful as the PS1 group. It's neither...it's powerful then last gen but not as powerful as in the current gen it's part of. EDIT And once again the agree/disagrees show that people just want to disagree with me even when I'm saying something neutral. It's hilarious.
they are NOT exaggerating. people are just spoiled rotten. if you took the time to compare PS3/PS4/WiiU in the videos where people compare the current multiplatform games the only difference between them was added effects like rain/lightning and more foilage on the ground. that said, it is very early in the consoles life and future games will further the divide. but for the time being, they are not too much different. ps3 to ps4 was not that large of a leap in terms of visual graphics. whatever retro studios puts out is sure to be amazing. dkc tf is the best game i've played all year. i also don't understand what YOU'RE talking about when YOU'RE saying people are in 2 groups. the WiiU is clearly not as strong as the PS4, but it's not as far behind as the hype train would like you to believe. outside of the scenes with rain and lightning, i found it pretty tricky to tell apart assassins creed iv on the ps4 from the wii u. games from naughty dog and sucker punch and kojima will show us why the ps4 is stronger than the wii u, but for the time being, there isnt a single game outside of maybe killzone (which is pure eyecandy) or battlefield that really does much more than the wii u is capable of. it will start falling more behind as the year progresses, but its still plenty capable for nintendo games to really shine. TLDR: it's like saying YOUR mustang is no good because YOUR porsche is faster. just enjoy the games and give it a rest.
Yes, exactly, but then again, a game like Killzone, looks fantastic, like Crysis does, but plays also just as bad. Funny how all act like they lose their eye sight, when looking at Wii U games. All complain about, that fantastic looking games, like Pikmin 3 or Mario 3D World are not so resource hungry, like photorealistic games. So what? For that kind of games you need that art style and for that art style it looks great, I wonder what some would understand under a next gen cartoonish style game.
@Foxtrot Retro is a great developer, and coming from the GameCube to the Wii to the Wii U in their minds it must be a powerhouse. But compared to the XBO, PS4, or even a mid range gaming PC the Wii U looks last-gen like the PS360. No one would say games on the PS360 look bad or they're not good consoles, and Foxtrot isn't saying that either, it's just that the Wii U isn't a "Powerhouse" console when looking at today's offerings, maybe 4 years ago it was, but here in 2014, NO. It's a solid piece of hardware.
wellll . . Retro may be exaggerating the wiiU's power capabilities due to all the wiiU trash talk, but DK himself in the new DKTF does looks more nextGen than anything on ps4 x1 so far, and its only in 720p . .
You don't have to be the leader to still have power under the hood, you know...
The Wii u is a powerhouse in retro eyes. As Retro only work on Nintendo platform. He talking about the Wii u vs the Wii. We know the Wii u vs pc, ps4 etc ect it's not. So Retro don't need to bring any other into the picture.
People are taking what you said out of hand....compared to a ps4/xbox one I wouldn't call it a Powerhouse either.
I think what it all boils down to is the Wii U can't be powerful, why? Because it would mean you and of ton of other people are wrong about how powerful it is so there is no way you can all be wrong, right? Lol I think any quality developer like Retro bases power on can the system do everything it needs and how easily it can do it, not whether it fits with the majority opinion of the Wii U's power.
You serious? The last system they worked on was the Wii! They feel like Hitler with an A-Bomb right now.
The WiiU doesn't have to be more powerful then PS4 or XB1 to be a powerhouse. WiiU is clearly a powerhouse to last gen consoles. Unlike the Wii upgrade from Gamecube which was only twice the power. The WiiU is leap jumps ahead of the Wii. Making it a powerhouse.
yeah. well if you think a toaster is powerful then....
It doesn't matter you guys are always going to say the ps4 has more of this or that. Nothing else can do as good of a job and the ps4 even beats pc to most of you guys. Yet the sdk just keeps getting better. E3 or the nintendo direct for it should be interesting. Any one playing with a kit now knows it's powerful the gaming masses have not been shown this. Mario kart 8 shows various signs of this but it's too cartoon right? Also the real jump doesn't happen till next gen anyway. Hopefully retro makes the graphics who res happy.
They know something we dont
Give up already. The majority disagree with you.
Even though the majority is clearly wrong.
I WISH they would make a powerhouse console! Seriously! Nintendo was so awesome when I was younger but as I progressed further in life, I wanted more mature video games with something I've always been so comfortable with....A CONTROLLER. If Nintendo made a console comparable to the PlayStation 4 or Xbox one in terms of power and maturity, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Please define maturity.
Despite Kelbaugh's admiration for the Wii U, the system is struggling, having sold only 5.61 million units worldwide since its launch in November 2012. So in this Gamespot article they had to start again with the installbase and even putting up wrong information Nintendo said december they sold 5.8 mil vgchartz kept it at 5.5 and now it's 5.7 and now gamespot says it's 5.6 i wonder are they going to keep doing this till also the X1 surpasses it in sales cause i see no logical explanation why everybody just keeps making Wii U numbers up http://www.cinemablend.com/...
Why are the lives of 'gamers' on this site so utterly consumed with sales?
That's what all fanboys like to do, they brag about something until it's turned on them. Bring up the Wii selling 100 million and they'll say it doesn't matter because lots of them collected dust. Last gen if a PC gamer brought up graphics the 360/PS3 guys would say it's about the games. Now the Xone/PS4 guys won't shut up about graphics. Those are just a few of many examples.
People are too vocal about the things that don't matter, and don't speak up enough about the things that do
Damn....THANK YOU! Who cares? It's a d!ck measuring contest anymore. Are we forgetting we are all gamers? Stop arguing who's "console is bigger" and start talking STRATEGY, or what you like about Nintendo. We all have 1 thing in common: We are all here to play games (apart from a couple of lifeless trolls like any other website) Sales should only matter to the guys at the respective companies.
And yet Nintendo is hiring like crazy. If sales were all that mattered then Sony would not have a reason to layoff people. Let's start focusing on games since we are, you know, gamers. Kinda sad how there is mention of a new game here by retro and everyone is debating the usage of the word powerhouse and sales. Gamers are so lost.
That was what i was trying to say in an interview with retro gamespot had to bring up the installbase topic which has nothing to do with their game or the talk about transitioning from wii to wii u and on top of that their information is false again but seeing how i'm downvoted i'm not allowed to comment on misinformation in the newspiece on topic
This makes me really excited. What the Wii U needs is hype and it looks like Retro Studios is about to bring the heat.
Heat? A little too late for that don't you think? And this whole the WiiU is a powerhouse I don't buy it one bit. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is a great game don't get me wrong but it's not a very demanding game. Im not saying to make every game more realistic but they should tone it down with the whole cartoony look ;)
I don't think Retro Studios is talking about any past game on the Wii U when he says it's a powerhouse. He's obviously taking about the experimenting he's done to determine that. We'll probably see the fruits of that in their next game, but I don't blame you for being doubtful.
Meh, I don't mind animated graphics. Photo-realism takes itself too seriously, and it's becoming quickly over-rated and over-relied-upon for decent games.
I'm interested in what this "toned down" middle ground for Donkey Kong should be ;)
Because I guess a gorilla with a tie should be toting a gun in your opinion ;) Nice logic
" Im not saying to make every game more realistic but they should tone it down with the whole cartoony look ;)" Implying photo realistic textures = demanding. Could you please, just please stop talking all together now?
Take your guesses people! Metroid, or a new IP? Maybe the team that made Tropical Freeze will begin working on a new IP! :D
I may not be a fan of Metroid, but I would really like to see a Metroid game in HD, knowing how beautiful the Prime games looked at the time, I wonder how nice would it look on a HD machine.
speaking on DK, Metroid Prime and Mario Kart they said "Every one of those IPs have been a lot of fun to play with and work on and [we'd] love to come back to them sometime." key word being sometime. so we could assume its something different.
A new Metroid would almost be expected of them at this point. But I'm going to go a little off base and ask that they'd do a follow up to Jet Force Gemmni... but I don't know owns the rights to that whether it be Nintendo or Rare still. They did such a good job making a franchise their own with Metroid I think with what they could do with Jet Force or Star Fox or something completely out of left field.
I was hoping for Metroid myself but now that you mention it, a new Star Fox from Retro could be absolutely fantastic.
Platinum games has shown interest in Starfox, i'd want them to take that game.
I personally think Nintendo should hand Star Fox to Platinum Games, but I'm not denying Retro Studios' skill. They're a versatile company who can work with multiple series and multiple genres. If Retro Studios got Star Fox, though, it would still be really awesome. Retro's proved themselves already.
Of course it's a powerhouse, if you just keep creating 2D and or cartoonish games on it, show me something as demanding as let's say.. Battlefield 4, then we'll see if it's a "powerhouse".
Just because it's a cartoony game doesn't mean it's demanding. And Battlefield 4 was running on the 360 and PS3, so don't call that demanding. I doubt it's even as demanding as Mario Kart 8 or Bayonetta 2 (especially since they're both 1080p, 60fps).