Taken from the HAZE forums, Will Haze have a mandatory install? [DL] You will need to go through a minimal install (about 4 Gigs) but not the whole game.
Sheesh. Sounds like this becoming pretty common-place, now. I sure wouldn't want to be someone stuck with a 20 gig hard drive. Though I guess they could always manually upgrade it if they have to. I really don't like this trend that is making console games more like PC games. I want to stick the disc in and have it work - that's supposed to be the beauty of console gaming. Simplicity. Give me an OPTIONAL install if I want to increase performance, but it should always be OPTIONAL.
they can just upgrade their hardrive for like 100$ for 250gigs
i had a 20g now its a 200g i paid $90
Indeed. These mandatory installs are sloppy and we just don't have the space for them. Time to upgrade my PS3 HDD, and I have a 60gb.
I would handle a 4GB install if it was a game i really really wanted.
Screw Haze, its not fun enough to spend an hour installing to the freaking hard drive.
I have a PS3 with a 20 gig hard drive. However, any game I've had to install, I've just deleted after I was done. I use it mostly for PS2 games though.
I never understood why people are outraged, the install is game data not "game saves". How many games does one person play at any given time? It's a no brainier to remove any game data that is not being used, and re-installing it later if you want to play again. 20gb is more then enough space for games if managed properly. But if you want to store multi-media videos etc.. u should upgrade.
Correction: Common on the PS3 and not on the xbox 360... Now I don't blame this primarity on the PS3... since there are other alternatives used in other PS3 games like stream loading... but the fact that the PS3 always have a hard drive, I can see why developer have the option of taking the easy way out... on on the xbox 360 they have no choice... I personally hate game installs... and I always though it was the benefit over PC... forbit I need to go to gamestop and asked them to let me play the game first (like I do sometimes) and I have to wait for the game to install; that if the gamestop guy let's me or have enough harddrive space... not to mention that if I want to take the game to my friend.. I have to install it... I said it before... this will be a trend for the PS3.. since it remove the needs of developer doing the extra work... it's obvious.. just like the need of compression... if blu-ray allows developer to not need to compress game data... and the hard drive allow them to install some of these uncompressed data... then why do it? here is an example... if a game level is compressed to be 100MB instead of 500MB on the xbox 360 due to disc space restriction... but that restriction do not exist on the PS3 then the developer will simply leave the file at 500MB... now the only problem would be loading.... the xbox 360 drive may not be faster as some argue than the PS3 blu-ray drive... but the blu-ray drive is not faster then the xbox 360 drive... but the difference is that the PS3 drive needs to read 500MB and the xbox 360 only 100MB... what developers do? Install some if not all the 500MB on the PS3... in order to balance out fact that the PS3 drive needs to read more... easy way out... people can say wherever they want about blu-ray being better for this gen.... but you just don't make the container bigger and leave the pipes the same.... things would be a lot better for the PS3 if the blu-ray drive on the PS3 can read 500MB as the same speed the xbox 360 can read 100MB.... but that's not the case... No wonder Sony didn't make the PS3 hard drive an addon like they did with the PS2... That would be a disaster.... with all the required installs... if this happened on the PS2 or any console or device like the PSP memory sticks... this would cost a lot of money if you own more than 4 games.
I really hate mandatory installs. I have 3 gigs left now on my 40gb hard drive. I have no demos or psn games, its just filled up with installs. I have had to delete several installs to play newer games. Extremely angry that Haze needs a 4gb install. Im sorry but if COD4 doesnt need install god knows why an inferior game in every aspect to COD4 does.
I had a 20 gig but upgraded to a 250 gig.
I love consoles, because you have just put disc in a console and then PLAY. No installs like on PC. No, i don`t have problem with instaling 4-5GB for 10-20 min., it`s NOT really a BIG problem, BUT it`s not how it meant to be. I really hope, in 2009 there won`t be coming games, that require install on PS3 and will have no downloads, just like Uncharted.
I'm not opposed to mandatory installs. I'm all for a game working properly right out of the box. The installations really don't take that long (unless it's Devil May Cry).
bladestar, you're actually making alot of sense today instead of straight up flaming. bubbles for you on the educated response. The only thing I'd probably add to your statement is that while I agree with you that developers are taking the easy way out, it doesn't mean they will be doing so forever. Eventually even the 50gb wall is going to be hit at with the PS3 and then, compression will have to be utilized at that point. However, we're talking 2-3 years down the line. Also, my take on it is eventually, they will probably want to take advantage of streamloading as well as hd loading combined in the future. Having 2 drives working is always better than 1.
I agree Mu5afir. I finished Ninja Gaiden Sigma and didn't feel like playing mission mode so I deleted the game file to make room for more stuff. Some people...lulz.
I'll tell you, with all the people who bought the 20 gigs on the PS3's first cycle, I would be worried bout all these mandatory installs. This also seems a bit ridiculous in all honesty, that at this day and age (on a console no less) we have to waste time and space on so many titles. I don't know anyone who would want to waste hard drive space on a game install, especially on such a small Hard drive..
The fanboys are at work again, disagreeing with perfectly valid statements about a growing problem.
Did you mean 20 gig, or 40 gig? Because the first two PS3's SKU's were 20 gig and 60 gig. It's the 20 giggers that are likely to feel the burn first. Though, depending on how common this is, the 40 giggers may not be too far behind them.
how sucky at least u can upgrade ur hd really easily and at a lower cost than the 360
If it helps with pop up issues and makes the game run at a good frame rate then it isnt a problem for me. I just think some of these devs are still working there way around the ps3 and will find a way to fix these problems sooner or later but for now I dont mind as long as I get to play the game. I wont have to worry about this game though because from the demo I played I wasnt very wowed by it so I think I am going to skip this game maybe buy it later if I hear that it is alot of fun from others.
I bought the 20gig PS3 because I didn't want all the memory card reader junk, wi-fi etc. A year later I went to circuit city for $85 and 7 minutes of my time it magically became a 160gig PS3. You don't HAVE to keep the installs on there either, you can erase them when you finish the game. Not arguing, just saying.
I bought a launch 20 gig. Been meaning to replace it with a bigger one, but haven't had to yet. I play a game, install it, beat it, delete it. Next. Piratethom, only the outer edges of DVD's are remarkably faster than BLuray, which have a constant read speed throughout the disk. Guys, developers taking advantage of the HD. We are complaining? You want 80GBs of just tiny little game saves? Yeah I know, music and videos, but it is a game console. Use the HDD for games, to it's advantage.
It has nothing to do with people being fanboys as to why they are disagreeing with you. They are probably just as tired as I am of hearing people complain about installs. Most don't care that they have to install games to their hard drive. When you are done with the game you simply delete the install. It's not like you lose your save files if you ever want to play the game again down the road. Install info and save info is in different folders on the PS3. I almost never go back to a game once I am done with it. Besides if you are one of those people that don't want to delete an install simply purchase a bigger hard drive. They are easy to install and inexpensive. I have a 250gig drive in my PS3 which cost -$100.
Bandit- It's a huge problem, it takes time and space, something that I thought we left when I switched from PC to console gaming. People have differing opinions, respect that. The fact of the matter is, installs should only be optional, and they shouldn't be so large if your hard drive is small. Most people don't have the extra money, time, or interest to buy and replace the hard drive. You're forgetting that alot of console owners aren't hardcore gamers, so they can install 5 or 6 games tops on their 20 gig drive. That seems like a great disservice to the growing library.
People do have different opinions and I do respect that. I don't go around calling them fanboys because they disagree with my opinion like you did. Installs are not a problem for me or anyone else I know. They usually help with load times, pop up, draw distances, frame rates, etc... I see less people complaining about the installs then complaining that there are installs. Read the manual while you are waiting or grab a snack and a beverage. Once you are done with the game it takes a few seconds to delete an install off of your hard drive. If the install helps, which most do, why complain about them? I don't mind installs, most gamers I know don't mind them either and it appears that most PS3 owners "here" don't mind them. You don't care for them. Ok. But you don't need to fan flames with rude remarks because others don't share your opinion.
You know, normally I would agree with you, but honestly, what positives could you possibly try to argue about wasting (time and) space on small hard drives? If it were something objective, like which version of a game has better controls, I wouldn't voice such a strong opinion because it's objective. This instance is not.
Why the hell, can't they put it as optional? @2.4 Install's don't remove pop-in or increase framerate, only lowers loading times.
Wrong. Installs CAN help SEVERELY reduce pop-in (reading from the hard drive is faster than streaming data from the disc). Also, because streaming any type of data from the hard drive is faster, frame-rate can DEFINITELY be improved, due to faster data throughput.
Actually, the installs are to help with data streaming because the Blu-ray drive is slower than DVD. The data streams from the fast hard drive rather than the optical drive, meaning it can improve loading which can reduce pop in and texture loading.
Actually, if a 360 game is on a dual-layer disk, then the DVD drive read speed is limited to 8X, which is slower than the Blu-ray drive's 2X data throughput. Also, don't forget that the the 360 almost never reads at maximum speed, due to the structure of data storage on DVDs. Blu-ray reads at the same exact rate on all areas of the disk, so there are MANY occasions where the Blu-ray is actually CONSIDERABLY faster than DVD. Please don't become part of the group of people that are like "Blu-ray is teh slowness!111!!!!11 DVD are teh FAST!!!!one!~111" That would just show your ignorance to the real facts about the technology.
Meh, I've had this out so many times and I have to be honest, if given the option, I would install all games to the HDD, because it reduces wear on the optical drive be it DVD or Blu-ray.
Its just for that reason alone that i'm waiting for the 80gig ps3. I came so close to just getting the 40gig, but with all the installs with most of the ps3 games its just not worth it. I know you can buy a hard drive, but can you buy backward compatibility?
if 20-40 gigers are so worried about it buy 250 gig samsung for 80 bucks..that's all mine cost.So after the Haze install i'll only have 174 gig left on my hd :(. Takes only 10 minutes to put a new hd in just make sure you back it up and it also backs up Rock Band and Lost Planet game saves if anyone was wondering.
For around 150 bucks, you can get a really good 250GB hard drive. I didn't get the 7200 rpm one though, for I heard (and I may be wrong), that it could cause the system to run hotter. That stupid Blue screw that you have to remove can be such a pain in the balls
for giving me a chuckle with the pain in balls comment.
As a PC gamer i do not see the problem with installs. If you have space and improves gameplay, f*ck it, let it install.
My point exactly.
and consoles are closing to PCs so much thgat they wannabe PCs
And the cycle of consoles to PCs is complete.
Almost. What was the PS1 and PS2 anyways but essentially computers without a hard drive.
naw...just wait for the MMORPGs to come out....5-20gig install FTW! But on the topic of 4 gigs for Haze...BIG DEAL...I own a 60 gig, I play around 5 games at once...and occasionally switch out the installs of others. OMG it took 5 min to install....wow...stop freaking out ya lil wussy people (more likely just 360 fanboys who are running out of ideas to laugh at PS3 on (I AM A PS3/360 OWNER)).
OMG it's the end of the world. Seriously grow some balls and live with it. I don't give a **$% how long it is or how much space it has. I just want to install it and enjoy it. Maybe while it's installing u guys could uhhh idk open the manual and read the thing on how to play the god damn game instead of hoping to spray and pray.
i gota buy me a hard drive im under the 10 GB range on my 60 giger and i have so many games to buy this year!
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... This size harddrive is not even possible on a Xbox 360 or Wii... Go get em!!!
Damn so: PS3 40GB = 400 Bucks You dump the 40GB you paid for have to add another 150 bucks or so 550 bucks just because many games forces to install If you got Haze (4GB), DMC4 (5 GB), Hot Shot Golf (5GB), GTAIV (3GB), one is already f*cked on its 20GB launch PS3. Even the 40GB ones are stuffed in no time. So actually a PS3 never costs 400 Bucks. You always have to add another 100 to 150 bucks to be able to keep playing your games. Nice.
lol, so how come you never mention the 360 needing an extra £150 for a 120GB HDD, battery pack and live subscription?
@ Viper Because one isn't forced to buy that 120GB HDD for the 360. I have the 20GB model, but no games are forcing HDD installations. Second, I rather buy a battery pack seperate (or just 2 rechargable cheap batteries) then a whole new PS3 controller when the integrated accu dies. Third: XBL paid or PSN free. You get what you pay for there. Where is your ingame dashboard and cross game invites, chat even after more then 1.5 years after the PS3 launch? Cheapass PSN isn't matching what XBL offers.
Hey MART, what about the added cost every year to be able to play games online for the 360? The 360 is NEVER its retail price EITHER. Point-Counterpoint. This is the part where you say "Touche`" Oh, and let's not forget battery packs, recharge kits, proprietary hard drives and memory cards that are so grossly overpriced, themes and icons that cost money, advertisements even with PAID subscriptions, closed-network to outside sources such as user-generated content and themes, and such. Microsoft's got you on PAID lockdown, and there's nothing you can do about it. @ Below 360's DVD drive is 12X with single-layer disc, and 8X with dual-layer disc.
1. People play 1 or two games at any given time, not 4-5. So people well rarely have issues with overloaded HDDs. You can remove game data, it's not the same as "game saves". 2. Not requiring data install to HDD is because of the LACK of standard HDD on Xbox 360s. I don't understand how anyone can argue against installing data for better loadtime / frame rate etc.. frankly you have to be a moron to argue against mandatory installs. 3. PCs have been doing FULL HDD installs for years now, to speed up load times. 16x DVD-ROM drive reads at 24MBs, 20gb HDD on the Ps3 reads at 32GBs. BACKWARD arguments, There have been a lot of backward arguments made by fans of the Xbox 360. From, DVDs are better then Blu-Ray to, HDMI is not needed. It's astonishing that anyone would argue for a inferior product, but it's happening.
No your not forced but most people will end up buying them anyway. As for the batteries, they might sound cheap but after several months the cost will soon add up and the battery pack will be the best option in the long run. For PSN, it work fine imo considering its free and when the ingame comms arrive in the summer it will put an end to all the "ps3 has no comms" digs.
Haze is a crap game i'm glad its not coming to xbox360
Halo's crap as hell thank god its neva gona come near the power (1080p) of the playstation XD
HAZE has AI /runs at 720P native and looks better and plays better than GAYLO3 at 520P
@1.2 I see nasim/shmee/tanod/larry's new account. I seriously think either this guy is a 14year old kid who sucks at school and keeps himself busy on his mom's pc whenever he gets the time or is a retarded adult living in his parents basement sitting on pc all day long coming up with idiot rants to post.
Allah has failed me. I am now going to eat pork and pray to jesus.
1 - Hello Its Nasim / TANOD / shadow hearts / waas007/ mart_is_Apig / etc I just wanted to let everyone know that I am sorry for my pathetic comments. I was just upset that I spent $600 on a PS3 only to find that the 360 is far superior. Thats why I spent all of my time on this site trying to build the sony defense force. On a lighter note: I traded in my PS3, bought an xbox, converted to buddism (I was a muslim but they are ruining this world. Allah is a sham!) Im going to eat some bacon. Goodnight my friends
oblivion...4.6gb required sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install full auto 2...1.7gb required spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install hot shot golf...5gb-five min install skate...2.5gb--five min install rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required F.E.A.R...2.5gb required NBA 07....3gb-ten min install lost....3.6gb---six minute install conflict denied ops...2.5gb required beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install Quake=4.1 GB install GTA 4...5 min install. AND NOW HAZE..4gb install Im sure i missed a couple of games.so add them to my great list There goes ur 40 gig console AKA black heavy garbage box WEll all i got to say is WAIT B3YOND or INSTALL BEYOND
Is NOT a minimal install specially if there's people with the launch 20 gig ps3's or the people with the 40 gig ps3's and they already own DMC4.
say it and yes I'll get disapproves but this is really one of the biggest problems with the PS3. Save the oh but it's better denial talk. No it is not better. This is why many people started console gaming to get away from the mandatory PC installs and such. Yet Sony because of them making games on brd are bringing it to the console world. This is NOT a good thing, this is a very bad thing, and is only going to get worse.
One of the main differences between consoles and PC games was the fact that you could take any particular game for a console, put it in and play it straight away. On the PS3, this simply isn't the case anymore and IMO, is a serious problem. I do not and will not buy another HDD for the PS3: I bought one just after launch and don't see why I should. I really do pity those who have a 20GIG PS3, they will only be able to store a few games there before they have to delete installs. Now, I do know that it is a relatively easy process to delete and reinstall games, but I simply so not want to waste my precious gaming time (and it is precious with work, uni and family life) with installations.
Educate me as to why that assumption is wrong. The PS3 is supposed to be more powerful and the 2x drive should make it have faster transfer rates, yet all of the new games have huge installs just to keep with the load times and frame rates on the 360. So I would really like to know about the installs.
First installs are ok and whenever someone comments that they're bad for people with 20gb launch machines, they are slapped with disagrees and suggestions for upgrade, then what is the point of it being a console? First installs and now a potential hard drive upgrade? Believe me, it won't stop there, hard drive space is so easy to use up especially when you get a lot of demos, music and movies on there, like it or not, it is an increasing concern for the future, most fanboys were saying the installs would start and end with DMC4, but what happened? the more the machine tries to mimick the pcs good features the more the negatives of pc comes along, sure you'll get faster load times and less pop ins but at what cost? The more technical things get, the more potential issues arise, just look at the issues with GTA4 alone and compare to last gen San Andreas
OMG I am not buying because its got an installer that need 4gigs of space!!! OMG!!!! get real so what i dont mind a little bit of waiting to improve loading times and frame rates so many ppl go on about this like its a bad thing when in reality if 360 could do it it would as its a great feature... Sucks for 20 gig owners but the fact Sony has made it so easy to swap a HDD without the stupidly high prices MS force you to pay makes it all that better. I got a 320gb HDD for £65 and I won't ever need another for my PS3. As for other ppl like they say other consoles do not have this type of storage the max on a 360 is 120gig which is more than 3 times! what i paid for my 320gb which is nearly 3 times as big making it cost about 8X more per GB. Only Xbots go on about these installs you dont have to play the game your not forced to upgrade your HDD you could always remove installs yeah its a pain but its an option unlike MS once you download something and remove to use it again you need to be connected to the internet just to run it.
i have 95GB left on my 160GB. if i delete the other installs i'm good. but i have tons of music and trailers and demos on it as well. i'll upgrade to a 300GB if i ever need to or when the prices drop.
Remind me why I bought my grill? oh yes bluray not games....
Another preinstall. Time to delete data off your HDD's so you can play another game PS3 owners. Or better yet time to upgrade your HDD. Hows that Blu-Ray working out for you now??? Not only are the games not any better, or any longer, but now because of Blu-Ray the load times are so slow you have to do mandatory installs to your hard drive. PREINSTALL B3YOND Edit: Beg for Mercy - I don't know how HD-DVD is doing. I didn't buy the add on. and neither did 95% of the 360 install base. Unlike PS3 owners, 360 owners weren't forced to buy a proprietary disc format it was made available as an optional purchase. This proprietary disc format caused you guys to pay alot more for your console, forced you guys to wait a year longer after the 360 launched to get your PS3, and is only useful for movies that require a new 1080P HDTV to get the full experience. Of course you dont mind watching Blu-Ray movies, thats all your PS3 has. If you wanted to play games you should have bought a 360.
im glad they put blu-ray in there cause without it mgs4 would of been a lesser quality game than what it is now and uncharted coulnt have turned out the way it is, keep in mind not every ps3 game needs this, its just another option developers have, and yeah i do enjoys watching the blu-ray movies, so i gotta question for you hows hd-dvd.
your a sad sad soul unless you dont know Blueray movies in 1080p are awesome. Is it the only thing we have? I dont know but that sounds like a blindman telling me how to get somewhere. yes it has blueray and yes it even has games that like blueray you wont be able to play or get on your Freefixme. unless you think God of War GT5 MGS GTA COD Socom Warhawk HS Uncharted are movies if thats the case then maybe you are blind
i do have a 360 a wii also check my profile boy, i just like the ps3 more cause of the nice features it has on top of the gaming aspect