It Is Time for Guerrilla Games to Move On

PlayStation Beat: After three months, we finally finished off the campaign to Killzone: Shadow Fall. It led us to believe that it is time for Guerrilla Games to move on from the franchise.

[Hatsune-Miku]

Killzone shadow fall is the best multiplayer and most balanced of the series with a good campaign. I loved kz2 campaign the best with shadow fall in second and i want guerrilla games to continue on with the series

Killzone shadow fall is a new beginning for the series and even though i wasnt keen on the 30years time jump its a good game with good concepts. THe game has already sold over 2.5million copies which is the fastest a killzone title has sold and i want guerrilla games to continue supporting the game. I also want guerrilla games to make killzone 5 even a lot better than shadow fall and try to make it the best or among the best fps. I dont know how youd consider whats the best fps but guerrilla games should make killzone 5 have destructable buildings, best graphics, best sounds, best physics, best animations, best lighting and just overall best tech for a fps video game

Ps4 is the future and the future is Ps4

[Bigpappy]

Sold that well because there were no other first party offerings, and the game was hyped as the show piece for the PS4. Many disappointed after playing the game.

[Zuperman]

I'm a HUGE KILLZONE FAN and I gotta say.. It's time to move on to another project to be creative.

Than return to Killzone when the time is right.

[Muffins1223]

Yea just does not have that magic touch halo has

[ABizzel1]

@Zuperman

I agree. They need to find a writer who can expand on the universe, because as of now it's growing a bit stale.

I think Killzone has so much potential, but Gurriella Games just lacks the imagination to get Killzone to it's true potential.

Shadow Fall's gameplay and openness were huge steps in the right direction, and form now on I only want to play as a Shadow Marshal with my OWL. But they also need to bring back a lot of the elements Killzone that made Killzone 3 fun to play like Jetpacks, Mechs, and set-pieces which Shadow Fall lacked. They also need to focus on getting the feel of Killzone 2 back into the games, as well as, a good enemy like Redec. Those are things Guerilla themselves can do, but it seems like they need someone to tell them what was missing, and what can make it better.

After that they need to build a better world that's more enjoyable to experience. The Helghast are the only interesting characters to me in Killzone, and to this day I still don't know much about the ISA even though they've been the protagonist in all 4 games.

Finally FULLY the embrace the Sci-Fi. Bring in more races, Insomniac type weapons, more space travel, new planets or regions to explore, JUST GO ALL OUT. You're a futuristic Sci-Fi shooter, so quit trying to be a WW2 shooter set on another planet.

Their imagination is what's holding Killzone back, because it has everything it needs to be Sony's go to FPS, it just needs a serious overhaul from an outside group of people with the imagination to get them there.

[IIZANGETSUII]

Exactly, i mean KZ was the ONLY exlcusive game aviable at launch (the only one kinda of "worth" because it isnt that great)

[calis]

"Sold that well because there were no other first party offerings, and the game was hyped as the show piece for the PS4"

Then explain Ryse.

[Vojkan]

KZ is a horrible franchise. The only Sony franchise that I can't stand. Go away! GG is more talented than to be stuck on this mediocre shooter with broken controls.

[PoSTedUP]

killzone mercs is where its at as far as MP. Guerrilla should take pointers from Guerrilla Cambridge imo. if they dont have it down by KZ4, then i would say maybe make a new IP. im anticipating KZ4 tho, that should be a real KZ game.

[ger2396]

Did you play it? If not what do you care?

[palaeomerus]

There's a lot of used copies of Shadowfall at gamestop. There aren't that many people playing it online. The price has dropped to $40 in a lot of places. Reviews were middling to bad. It made a nice tech demo when the library was weak as console launches tend to be. It's also a good reason to be grateful for Sony sticking to their normal used game sales policy instead of trying to help push us into Microsoft's all digital new era.

[Hicken]

No other first party offerings, but the two largest FPS franchises to compete against. The sales numbers are damn impressive in that light.

But hey, let's twist it around as much as possible.

[guitarded77]

I'm a Killzone whore, and I don't want it to go away. Guerrilla is said to be working on a new IP, so there is something new coming. After that, I want them back on Killzone. I always want more Killzone.

The only problem I had with Shadow Fall is I thought the campaign was too short. They probably had to make some concessions to get the game out on time, but if they can take their time with the next Killzone, I want it.

Each level in Shadow Fall was varied and offered something different... I don't know how people were "disappointed" with it. It had a better campaign than Battlefield and Ghosts. Hell it had a more interesting campaign than Infinite, although the story in Infinite was far better.

Some say it's "stale", while Guerrilla added the Owl, deeper enemy set, and pretty open levels with vertical gameplay, varied environments and open space. There is this double standard that Sony and their devs have to reinvent the wheel with every game, while Nintendo just needs to add one simple component or an extra character, and people act like they reinvented the game.

Sure, I want Killzone to be better... that's why we go to the Killzone forums and express what we want. Guerrilla is listening. From what I understand, they have a new IP coming, but at the same time they can be in pre-development for the next Killzone.

[FunAndGun]

Killzone Shadow Fall has an awesome MP, but the SP is pretty bad.

[TheOmniGamer]

KZSF was awful IMO, campaign was abysmal and the MP was okay, but terrible unbalanced and broken and lacking features. Killzone to me isn't interesting and the universe isn't engaging, time for GG to move onto a new IP, the franchise peaked at KZ2 and hasn't come close to KZ2 ever since.

[trenso1]

have to disagree KZ2 was the best IMO opinion they just kept taking away from the game with each release, they lowered the player count, map sizes for the most part and took away the class customization. For a time in KZ3 you couldn't even make custom games.

[avengers1978]

They need to take the MP back to KZ2 because that was just right. By Far the best of the series.
They could do alot with the single player to push the game, but they should just keep the MP like it was in 2 add varying play modes and match types and weapons and what not, but the core of it with 16 v 16 matches was great.

[sinncross]

Their next game is a new IP so that will be great to see. I would like them to move on because I think exploring new ideas etc will only benefit all their IP in general.

I have no problem with them making more KZ if they have a special attachment to the IP but I would also like to see them explore new ideas and show us how creative they can be in different ways.

[princejb134]

I disagree killzone is a bit boring
I have shadowfall and from time to time I play but for a game that sold 2.3 million the online is a ghost down.
I see about 2000 people online at any given time while if I hop on cod or bf you see 600,000+

[Retroman]

"IT'S TIME FOR GUERRILLA GAMES TO MOVE ON"

wish MS would realize that with HALO franchise.
you only can milk a franchise for so long until blood spew out.

[MAULxx]

I enjoyed Shadowfall and liked the ending but I still don't know what the heck was going on in the story for alot of the game. Maybe I need to play it again and focus on the story or watch all the cutscenes, I think you can watch the cutscenes you've unlocked.

[ssj27]

KILLZONE IP is one of the best IP ever..
is the only exclusive game that sold amazing so far and the xbone had Forza which usually sales more but it did not.

Is funny to see the hater excuse but they forgot to realize that the PS4 had two of the best saling IP ever going again on the same genre.

KILLZONE deserve he sales!!!

[Seraphim]

I'm kind of with Zuperman on this one.... But only in thinking that they should shelf KZ and come up w/ a new IP before possibly going back to KZ in a couple years. Not put it down and bring it back when the time is right...

I've loved KZ since before the original beta and it's one of very few games I've actually cared to and enjoyed playing online a lot for a little bit. While Shadow Fall was a solid game set in the KZ world it was not a real KZ. I think that perhaps the ending of 3 made it difficult to make KZ4 the way the series is truly meant to be. If [Shadow Fall] a series perhaps it will bridge a gap between KZ3s end and a new War; ie KZ4... regardless I'm conflicted having much love for KZ and GG. Considering the talent and skill @ GG it just seems like a great time to move onto a new project. Definitely something in the same genre that allows them to rotate KZ and new IP while tweaking and continuing to improve their engine.... I'm not sure there's a lot of original ideas left out there but it would be nice to see another fantasy title since we already have BF and CoD. If nothing else maybe squash the KZ world and reboot it with a new story that has no relevance to the original 3.

[Abash]

Well Guerilla Games is hard at work on a new IP even while they were making the latest Killzone games. It would honestly be stupid for them to stop working on the series and not make another Killzone on PS4 with how successful Shadow Fall has been. They can handle two different series at once, that's been the plan for a while I believe

[Riderz1337]

They're already making a new IP. Not sure what the point of this article is lol.

[Kayant]

It's rumoured to be an RPG right?

[porkChop]

An open world RPG. So much potential there.

[zeuanimals]

I'm pretty sure that's a rumor brought on by people on the internet, I remember when GG announced that they were making a new IP people were just speculating and were saying an RPG would be great. Then people just went with it. There wasn't anything legit in those rumors AFAIK but maybe our ideas could be heard by GG and they'll actually look into making an RPG. They do like to listen to the community about KZ a lot, maybe they're listening about their new IP too?

[staticdash22]

Another guerrilla games sucks article? Lol *sigh*

to me, it doesn't matter if shadow fall sold alot because of the lack of launch games ir not. Doesn't remove the face that, the numbers are there at the end of the day :D
Guerrilla Games has the leisure of
that some if Sony's other studios don't. The killzone franchise is a million seller, each iteration has been one. They're not in a state of disarray like Studio Japan was. Nor or they close to being closed down like zipper or Liverpool studio. Sure, they can improve alot, but I just find it hilarious that the media loves to s**t on them for their stories but never want to give them any credit.

[Thepharaoh]

The orginal killzone did not sell one million.

Im not downplaying their quality but the only killzoens that have exceeded one million were

killzone 2
killzone 3
and killzone shadow fall

[bobtheimpaler]

Agreed. I also find it funny when people like to ignore how well the previous games did critically. Shadow fall IMO is a return to form for the franchise. The campaign in sf and mercenary do expand on the universe. I like that it deals with more grounded/ relateable themes like the horrors of war and nationalism. Multiplayer is like KZ2 but more balanced. You have to learn to be good and you have to work as a team.

They have also done an excellent job supporting the game and addressing issues in so and MP.

I hope we never see a game like kz3 again. All it did was aim for the lowest common denominator and split the fan base.

I look forward to the RPG they're making.

[staticdash22]

Whoops, sorry for the spelling errors, I wrote it from my phone

[B-radical]

I honestly found the new killzone the most boring

but dam it was pretty besides the over use of lighting effects

[shivvy24]

Coming from a fan of killzone I was very disappointed with the sp, there were some great ideas etc in the game but they didnt pull it off great, mp is amazing and fun !!! :)

[bobtheimpaler]

I enjoyed it as much as kz2 to be honest. I didn't care for KZ3s hand holding and on rails segments where a lot of the action just happened in the background.

[B-radical]

I loved k3 sp i dunno this one just felt slow with nothing to do......Must be fps boredom kicking it. Not as many great FPS as there use to be

[Lilrizky]

The developer has 3 teams. I believe the killzone ip will be left up to the guys who did mercenary, which was a top game. It was like training ground for them. I'm happy for the other two teams to move on to new things

[HacSawJimThugin]

I think anyone that works in a creative space will be tired of working on the same project year after year. Taking a break and letting the creative juices flow can do nothing but good for said company and it's fans.

[shivvy24]

10 years straight they've been working on killzone, glad they are doing something fresh

[Boody-Bandit]

I always want developers to expand in new directions but I love Killzone Shadow Fall and I don't want them to stop making new iterations. I mean talented developers should be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

[kalbo14]

i think they need to rest the series for a while til fans request it back

[BABY-JEDI]

I think KZ environment, hardware designs are second to none. Their lead character portrayal does however have a lot to be desired. The lack of emotion & self awareness leads to a lack of purpose & character development goals & achievements. Hence you really don't connect with the characters at all.
The gameplay with the owl is a lot better than I thought it would be & weapons/AI handles really well. MP is excellently balanced & gives room for personal gameplay styles & tactics.
I would like to see more destruction in environments & vehicular objectives with KZ2 MP handling, as well.
; )
Never the less Shadow Fall is a great start this gen especially within the dev timeline which was pretty tight.

[_FantasmA_]

What no! I love Killzone. Mercenary and Shadowfall opened my eyes. I hated 2 and always wanted to play 3, but 2 kept me from wanting to spend money on 3. I think Killzone is under rated. Killzone actually has depth because of the guns all feel different and the abilities, drones, and classes. Way better than Halo, Gears, and COD. I used to think it was generic (well actually the campaigns still are) but the multiplayer is where it is king. Most other games are humans vs aliens, but this game has potiential with the human vs human conflict. A good, emotional story would be nice. Why is that shooters never have good stories, is that a requirement?

And for those of you saying it needs to take a break, lets no forget Halo has had 9 games. M$ has been recycling that game since the original Xbox in 2001. Thats 13 years of purple aliens and the same damn weapons and enemies. Even the first one was already a ripoff of Half Life, and all the other ones after were just more of the same.

[fonduktoe]

Shadow fall is my first killzone game and I am completely addicted to the multiplayer...easily my favorite fps mp to date. Please keep expanding on this franchise gg!!!

[ricochetmg]

I like the last one and i love this one.

[MrUndrhill]

I think KZSF mostly suffered from being a launch title. In the end it was great to see a new direct for the series, but the execution of a drastic change in play style and tone was just under developed. It is a still a really great game, but lack of dev time and some strange design choices (having to keep the LSR44) held it back. Why they didn't implement the loadout system of Mercs (which is an amazing Killzone game), I don't know. It would have fit perfectly into the Spec ops type of atmostphere.

Regardless, I think GG is a great dev, and I hope to see more KZ and new IPs.

[deadfrag]

KSF SP is actually not that bad has some people make it look!

[bobtheimpaler]

I think because it is such a huge departure from previous games. I think its great personally. Game is centred more on mechanics than set pieces. Each play through can be different.

I was disappointed with kz3, but mercenary on the vita and shadowfall are both excellent additions to the franchise that help expand the universe.

[MadMen]

I agree, I would like to see them put their efforts into a New IP even if another FPS

[SkinnyAssGamer]

i think Guerilla is already making a new ip other then killzone. i think it is maybe a RPG because i read a story that they hired a Fallout New Vegas Writer for their next game i think it could very well be a RPG Fingers cross i hope. we really need to see a RPG coming from them, as much as i like Killzone i want more RPGs

[killzone619]

Stop with killzone. The franchise has been getting worse.

[jukins]

As far as story goes even with the cliche shooter stories guerrilla games just fails at it. Their single player games just feel so disjointed and thrown together it's hard to get drawn in. Kz2 or 3 ,can't remember, had the best story with visari but actually playing through it was horrible. It could be so much better it's not the writing even though that could use some work it's just the overall production falls short.

Whether they move on or not I'll be hard pressed to find myself excited about an immersive gg game.

[ginsunuva]

I miss Kz2's golden days

[AD705]

I don't understand the hype concerning killzone. I had high hopes for this game. Hell KZ2 is one of the main reasons I bought a ps3. But after playing it I was not impressed. The controlls were terrible and extremely floaty and laggy. The MP was decent but nothing mind blowing and the online community died out 3 months later. Just go back and play that game and no ones even playing it online. Which is funny because every sony fanboy swore that this was the game to kill halo and COD yet no one cared or played it 3 months later. Killzone shadowfall which I bought it now going through the same shit that the others went through.

The only things I liked about the game was the atmosphere and it makes you think a bit more than running in guns blazing. But that's it, the story is cliche, the characters are unlikable, the online is ok but no one plays it for long, and the controls are just awful!

I do hope their next game will be good though.

[AnEwGuY]

I read a post on NeoGaf from an industry insider that said GG had an internal team working on a brand new IP, codenamed 'MurderRealm'.

(~_^)

[mediate-this]

I think gg just needs to reinvigorate the killzone series, like a poster said above, introduce different races, planets etc. go sci fi all the way. Maybe a new enemy that is so tough that isa and helghast make a peace pact and fight agaisnt a new enemy.

[ILikeGamesNotCorps]

I would love for them to move on...for all the love (and hate) that KZ gets as a series...all it has ever done well for me is graphics. I loathed the gameplay in KZ2 and was happy when the game was over. It was a pretty ride though.

[RevXM]

Loved SF campaign, completed like 4 times second best kz campaign. Have yet to go online but I hear it is good and I did play kz2 and 3 online and 2 was especially fun.

Wouldnt mind the ip taking a break... Maybe a another vita title soon since it is a dope shooter on the go.

GG should bring on their new ip soon, we have been waiting since like pre kz3 and we dont even really know squat about it.

Remember their joke idea about pirate dinosaurs on rollerskates or something that they wanted to make. Imagine a proper cinematic trailer for that, at least Id laugh my socks off if it were like a well executed aprils fools joke.