GameZone: The news that Ready at Dawn’s The Order: 1886 will not include a multiplayer mode comes in stark contrast to a growing trend among modern shooters.
30 FPS or 60 FPS I don't really care, and frankly it amazes me that people do.
Well when Xbox One games are announced at only being 30fps, a lot of Sony fans seem to care. Based on the history of comments here at N4G anyways. That being said, I totally agree with you. TLOU and GTA V were amazing games that were only 30fps. Sure everyone wants to see how high their machines can go in terms of resolution and framerate, but I trust this developer to do what they feel is best for their game in the end. I am sure we will all be pleased with the end result.
No its the fact that those games are said to be 30 fps LOCKED and that ends up being (like many of microsofts statements) a marketing lie. an average fps of 25 and dips as low as 14 fps in RYSE is NOT 30 fps locked. same with dead rising 3 (even that 13 gb patch didnt help) even tomb raider dips into the 20s on xbox one ps4 ...NEVER since the disagrees are flowing here are verifiable sources. have fun. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... "still dips into low 20s" http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... "dips as low as 23" http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... watch video....goes as low as 14 fps in the first level....
30FPS for single player is fine. Having 60 only really matters in MP and racing games.
Right there with you Neon. The game looks AMAZING. Plus I see this being a more slower paced game. I don't see The Order having a ton of explosions going off like some war games have. I say play the game and not the graphics.
This is the most talked about game that no one has seen. We have 12 more days. Then we can decide if the quality of the visuals warrants 30FPS or not. Apparently it did for Ryse.
Multiplats that have a game run at 60 and one at 30 is different than this. I am sure those games have the same intent and goal but one system can't do it for whatever reason. So with this game instead of going for 60fps maybe there goal was to add more effects, better ai, more enemies on screen and push those boundaries. I fine with that. Same goes for any game on any system. Edit- disagrees explain
It is only a big deal to PS4 and Xbox One fans when a game is released on both consoles and one console has an advantage. The Order is a PS4 exclusive so we have no way of knowing how it will run on an Xbox One. Therefore it is not a big deal.
It's all about the atmosphere and I trust Ready At Dawn to know what their doing. I'm thinking that 60 fps wouldn't give the game the cinematic feel that they were going for. If that isn't the case then maybe it's to have a ton of other "next gen effects". The game already looks like it's got some amazing tech behind it. All that's left to hear about the game is its length. If they can make it long enough to satisfy most gamers then nothing else will hold it back.
a game seemingly This special, make it 60fps. [email protected] should take their time with it because they could do big numbers if the hype is real; being the first new IP blockbuster on a new system that is selling (and assuming will continue) this exceptionally well, is the greatest opportunity for a dev and could turn into a highly demanded franchise. 30FPS locked wont hurt the game really, its just that 60 is easier and nicer on the eye, just like 1080 vs 720.
I think if it's locked 30fps and never dips it is fine... much lower than 30 and I really notice.
No one cares what the fps on Xbone games actually are, they just want to point out that Xbone is a weaker system.
@Neonridr "Well when Xbox One games are announced at only being 30fps, a lot of Sony fans seem to care." The only time I've seen fanboys say anything about 30fps on being bad is when the PS4 version is 60fps in comparison (Tomb Raider), or when the game 1080p @ 30fps on PS4 and a lower resolution on XBO. 30 - 60fps is practically going to be the standard for console gaming, simply because you don't gain much from 100+ fps over 70 - 80. 60fps is almost always better than 30fps, but 30fps is still an acceptable framerate.
Seeing as the game doesn't come out till the end of the year and I haven't seen any footage. I can't form an opinion on if its good or bad. Feb. 19, I'll let you all know what I think. :P
@ABizzel1 - totally agree. I think we are going to be so impressed with this game regardless. 30fps will suit this game just fine.
your opinion was right on the money my friend
@ abizel1 Youre deluding yourself notice he said based on history of comments here, where were you when xbone first launched, ryse was said to be 30 fps and dr3 was said to be 30 fps you should have seen the bashing.
Big difference between technically incapable and designed.
Even though I am a PC gamer and greatly prefer 60fps in all types of games, I think 30fps is still perfectly enjoyable in my console games, as long as it is capped at 30fps and doesn't dip below that too often. The Order 1886 looks like it will probably be a fantastic game with amazing graphics. If it has a steady 30fps I doubt anybody is going to be worrying too much about it.
Its a problem when xbox is runnin 30fps because its competition is runnin at 60. This is a game thats pushing graphical limits on the ps4 exclusively. While it will run at 30fps, the game would not even run on an xbox1.
1 game on ps4 with 30 fps. 6 games on the new xbox at 30 fps. I fail to see why we are arguing.
I'd rather have a more realistic and immersive gave at 30fps than a game with worse AI, worse physics, worse particle system, and worse attention to detail at 60fps.
60 fps should be fps shooters fighting games racing games thats it the rest can be 30 fps
"frankly it amazes me that people do." You shouldn't be amazed just because people want the best.
30 FPS is fine but I'm worried on how the destruction will hold up. Particles will be choppy if the FPS dips at all.
See I think this is why they set it at 30. Better to have a stable 30 then something higher with massive drops when stuff gets hectic, especially in a game so focused on destruction
On type of game (most type of games actually) I'm fine with 30 fps that doesn't dip. It will be more interesting to see how people react to the aspect ratio (and by extension the resolution) than the framerate.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't they do more within the game if it's at 30 FPS ? Won't that tax the system less, and therefore actually make everything in total run smoother ? The graphics would then be allowed to be more detailed because your not having to dedicate as much power to running it at 60 FPS ? Am I close ?
I hope people will be this generous when quantum break is announced as 1080p/30fps.
I used to think the same thing but after playing a couple of PS4 games at 60fps I actually do care. The thing I like most about 60fps is that when I move the camera the picture doesn't go blurry. I can pan over a scene and comfortably take in the atmosphere, adds a lot to gaming for me. 30fps won't stop me from buying The Order 1886 but I know I'll be wishing it was 60fps.
ffs stop with that 30/60fps crap damn it
ALL NEXT-GEN games should be 1080P 60FPS without ANY graphical sacrifices. I'm always a little dissapointed seeing so many 1080P 30FPS. I hope they can get a solid 60. 30 is fine but 60 is simply better and should be what every game strives for.
60fps is ALWAYS going to have graphical sacrifices on ANY system. Given twice the rendering time, developers will always be able to push the graphics more at a lower framerate like 30fps.
It's about quality of the story/gameplay and not the amount of frames per second
So if its 240p at 20fps you wouldn't mind? Get a grip. They DO matter and make the experience richer and more enjoyable. You can have a great game at 1080P 30FPS but the same game at the same price at 60FPS is the better game.They shouldn't have to sacrifice anything either since the PS4 "Is the most powerful console in world" If resoloution and framerate didn't matter i would've just played assassin's creed 4 on my PS3. Why buy MGS V on next gen if it doesn't matter.
30 fps...lol Can't say I'm surprised. They truly are welcoming us to 'next gen'
Yes because frames per second define a next gen game? Damn you haven't even seen the Order and you are dismissing it as a "next gen" game because it runs at 30 frames? How do you have so many bubbles with such an unintelligent comment?
Please enlighten me, fps seem matter when xbox one game cant output it, but when a ps4 game outputs 30fps its all fine and dandy? Listen im all for the experience of a game, not the hypocrisy of a fanboy site. This is supposed to be next gen, both machines should be outputting high res and fps with out a hitch. Devs have to scale back res or add black bars
As long as the visuals warrant the 30 fps, then I'd be fine.
Agreed. You've got to be realistic. If it's visuals are looking to set a benchmark. Throw in all the soft body physics, you've got to compromise on something. Locked 30 frames for single player with a pad is fine.
I disagree. I would rather they drop to 900p and get to 60fps.
Fair, but these guys make games for a living, they probably know what's best for their game. Doubling the frame rate would come at a huge cost to more than just resolution anyway.
@GW212 Dropping to 900 doesn't give you 60fps, if a game is 1080p at 30fps. You'd only gain around 8 - 10 fps back from the drop, and dropping down to 720p gets you about 15 - 20fps back. They'd have to drop the image quality, resolution down to 720p, and scale down particle effects, destruction, etc... to get 60fps locked. As a PC gamer, if that's what you want then that's what you can do, but since they're console developers it makes sense to go with their vision of the game, which happens to be 1920 x something @ 30fps. Each drop averages around 8 fps, for example: 2k -> 1080p = 6 - 10 fps (aka 1080p -> 900, and 900 -> 720) So: 2k -> 1080p = +8 fps avg. gain 2k -> 900p = +16 fps avg. gain 2k -> 720p = +24 fps avg. gain At least for graphically demanding games, and considering what we've seen so far it's going to be a graphically demanding game.
Anyone who sits around complaining about fps is a moron. Before this gen you guys didnt even know what fps was and now you're experts. Fps is noticeable, however sub 1080p is hugely noticeable. An ugly game is an ugly game. Frame rates are optional. Also why are people assuming that the order is 30fps because that is all it can manage??? Infamous ss went 30fps as part of the games design, not because of any technical limitation. It was my understanding that the order was the same.
30fps AND running in letterbox (IIRC) :$ :$
I wouldn't worry about this only being 30fps. Hopefully it will still be a great game. It is ironic though that this is the game that PS fanboys champion while they make fun of xbox 1 owners for not having 60fps. I bet now they say it isn't as important
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb... look at all these games on X1/PS4 notice all PS4 games except BF4 are 1080p unlike the Xone which varies except for framrate which is mostly the same on both consoles except for Tomb Raider so No one has anything to boast about today but if you wanna fuel the flame go ahead.
I think you just proved my point? You talked about how much the PS4 does 1080p over the X1. This game only does it by having a low framerate. My point is no one should ever brag about either. I think you missed the point because you just started your fanboy speech. I think that it is stupid to worry so much about it and that PS fanboys would change how they viewed the importance of framerate vs resolution since this and infamous are the only things they have to be excited about for quite some time and it only does 30fps.
@farmass "I think you missed the point because you just started your fanboy speech." My so called fanboy speech was just telling you that neither side should boast :/.
Well, slowly as they see that most games on the PS4 are not going to be 60fps either they will start to calm down about that nonsense.
If this visually blows us away, which I think it will, then 30 fps is understandable. Pushing more for graphic quality in exchange for fps, or drop some visual quality for 60 fps. Looks like they are going for visual quality.
nothing wrong with 30 fps locked.. racing games do benefit a lot from 60 FPS though.
Every game benefits from 60 fps there isn't a single game in my library where I go 'man, I better limit my framerate to 30 because then it will play better'
You misread his comment. He's not saying things benefit from 60 FPS. He's saying some games work just fine with 30 FPS.
In the gaming industry there are 2 options. Go for looks, or go for smoothness. You'll always see prettier graphics when the developer has twice the amount of time to render each frame (which would be 30fps).
Racing games, Fighting games, Multiplayer, all should be 60fps IMO. That being said ever game functions just fine at 30fps.
Does Driveclub achieve 60fps yet? Don´t matter what, Fanboys will aways come up with some stupid excuse for flaws. When/if Driveclub confirms that it´ll only run on 30fps, Sony fanatics will try and defend it anyway. hypocrites.
No multiplayer, no 60FPS, no 1080p. [email protected] is really killing my hype behind this game. (still buying it)
Where do you get "no 1080p?"
The devs haven't settled on an aspect ratio. Some argue that the black lines on the top and bottom aren't true 1080p
There's no way its true1080p if the black bars are there. How can you count pixels that aren't displaying anything?
mhunterjr: Are you saying Blu-ray movies that are letterboxed are not truly 1080p?
Sub 1080p 30fps no multiplayer or co op wtf are they doing? How many times are you gonna beat the single player campaign before you get tired of it?
Yes, thankfully, they are not trying to force multiplayer into this title.
"Thankfully"? Says you. Do you have any info on the game´s lenght? Being linear and a single player only game, i expect it to be a least 30+ hours. Otherwise, it´s not 60 bucks worth game.
@Obscure.. are you joking? Good luck getting 30 hours from a linear game. Asking too much there. Im glad it doesnt have multiplayer. Nothing worse then tacked on shit.
See here's my take on it: I've read many articles on this game, they way the developers talk about the environment of the game say it's "incredibly detailed" with destructible components and incredibly good physics. I had doubt it would be 60fps when they began talking about how they observed every detail from the textures to characters to the environments. So 30fps is not a surprise to me. And not every game needs multiplayer as long as the game is long enough. Sorry for the lecture, still taking my stress out from the Grammy's.
Okay, now i'm getting concerned. Sure, it was NICE to see consoles trying to get 1080p/60FPS, but now everyone's so obsessed over it that they're willing to overlook actual GAME MODES JUST to get smoother framerate in a VIDEO GAME. I get 60FPS as STANDARD in an MMO i'm playing... Even more in single player games. But to actually care about framerate on a game instead of an actual game mode? You're all idiots. I don't care if this is 1080p/30FPS as much... I've accepted this from consoles, and they'll always be playing catch up. What I want is a good variety of GAMEPLAY to offer me in a GAME.
The framerate debate matters cause for the majority of last gen the gaming media & Xbox gamers made it a big deal. For years the PS3 was scrutinized for having inferior multiplatform games. People made fun of games like COD, Bayonetta, Crysis and many other titles. However do you know what PS3 gamers didn't care. Even with these inferior games they still bought them in droves. Bayonetta t