I Was a Bit Disappointed by Super Mario 3D World. Does That Mean I Have No Soul?

GeekParty's Josh Wirtanen writes: "Who doesn’t love Mario? I mean, I’ve loved the little dude since the 1980s. So when the newest Mario title, Super Mario 3D World for Wii U, started getting rave reviews, my interest was thoroughly piqued."

[Neonridr]

No, it just means you are in the minority.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Based on the mediocre sales of the game (especially considering it's a mainline Mario game), no, I think the author is in the majority.

[Neonridr]

lol, define mediocre sales?

Super Mario 3D World - 1.65 million sales

Highest selling game on PS4 - Call of Duty: Ghosts - 1.62 million sales

Highest 1st party game on PS4 - Killzone Shadow Fall - 1.23 million units.

[deafdani]

1/4th of the Wii U's install base has bought Super Mario 3D World.

That does not constitute, on this world nor any other, "mediocre" sales. This kind of attach rate is pretty damn high.

[Yodagamer]

If you're judging by a games sales, call of duty must be a freaking golden egg to you. It's a great game and one of my favorite mario games.

[maniacmayhem]

LMAO, mediocre sales??

Thank you Neonridr, well said and +bubbles.

[PSNintyGamer]

So sales determines quality now?

[curtis92]

@deafdani Yeah that's pretty sad honestly. Wii U has been out a full year longer, and it's MAJOR game barely sells more than launch titles on a newly launched system. Not as impressive now, is it?

[dedicatedtogamers]

For a Mario game? Yeah, mediocre sales, especially for a 3D Mario game.

@ PSNintyGamer

"So sales determines quality now?"

Um, that's not what I said. I said that the author is in the majority, since - based on the low sales - the majority of people don't seem to want this Mario game.

[ZeekQuattro]

It would seem your more dedicatedtotrolling then actual gamers.

[-Foxtrot]

No it means he's human...it's his opinion

[Neonridr]

naturally he is human and entitled to his opinion. But that doesn't mean that his opinion is shared by everyone. Thus he can still be in the minority with his opinion.

Obviously the game isn't for everyone, I wouldn't expect everyone to like it.

I do agree with your post below about this game not being "THE" Mario game that will define the Wii U. That will come, and that will definitely turn heads.

That being said, I still had a blast with 3D World. Online Multiplayer would have been a nice addition.

[-Foxtrot]

"I do agree with your post below about this game not being "THE" Mario game that will define the Wii U. That will come, and that will definitely turn heads."

Well at least some people get it....I only like pointing it out because I'm sick to death of people saying it's part of those "games" when it's not.

We never saw a DS game of Super Mario Galaxy or a handheld Sunshine game before they came out, when they came out they were BRAND NEW, never been seen before and were fresh. I know you might not agree with me here but seriously deep down at it's core 3D World is a much enhanced console version of 3D Land like New Super Bros Wii to the DS version...that's all. New powers, more characters, new music, more levels but it's still the same deep down....again though NOTHING wrong with that but as I've said people keep ignoring that and don't want to admit it, I don't know why though.

As I also like pointing out I'm not saying 3D World is a bad game but it's not what people are making it out to be by comparing it to Galaxy

It's like people WANT it to be the Wii Us "Mario" game with the Wii U struggling and all...but be patient the true successor will come and hopefully will be AMAZING.

[N4g_null]

Great points foxtrot.

The new part of 3d Mario world was 3d co op and the level design that supports that. Unfortunately most gamers are online only co op players. Well at least the first adopters.

To turn heads the game pad focus using the various functions more in game. You can blow into the mic, like the ds. You can use the gyro to look around. It has ghost online level runs.

Basically if Nintendo land was instead a Mario game that travels to other franchises then it would have been different.

Mario running Thur the metroid level would have been cool.. then the Zelda on rails and then donkey Kong etc.

Actually Nintendo land should be the way they roll out new ideas and test the waters with new ip also. All as free dlc...

[KevinCubes]

NO, He/She is in fact a soulless abomination amongst mankind.

[Knushwood Butt]

Killzone now being compared to Mario.

How times have changed.

[deno]

Who writes these thing's?

[Knushwood Butt]

And in related news:

http://n4g.com/news/1446232...

[-Foxtrot]

Nope...after how amazing Super Mario Galaxy was are you surprised. The bar had been raised by a lot so it's natural to feel disappointed, especially if you've played Super Mario 3D Land, you've seen it before, unlike Sunshine or Galaxy where it was BRAND NEW and never seen before.

This isn't saying 3D World is a bad game it's just not as good as past Mario games.

This isn't "the" 3D Mario game of this gen like how we had 64 on N64, Sunshine on Gamecube and Galaxy on Wii....because those games NEVER had a game like it on handhelds but Super Mario 3D World does on 3DS, Super Mario 3D Land. It's basicaly what Nintendo did to New Super Mario Bros on the DS when they made a bigger, expanded, more improved console game for the Wii and the Wii U.

Trust me Nintendo have got something going on which is the true successor to Mario Galaxy and THAT my friend you won't be disappointed with.

[deafdani]

I LOVE the Galaxy games. And I think that Mario 3D World is just as good as these games, for different reasons.

Personally, for me, it's:

Mario Galaxy 2 > Mario 3D World > Mario Galaxy 1.

That being said, I also want Nintendo to make a sucessor to Mario Galaxy. Not necessarily another Galaxy game, but yeah, I want another entry in these series where you search for stars and explore without time limits.

[-Foxtrot]

I loved Galaxy but to be honest I'm fine with them leaving it behind, we've moved on, if we were still in last gen with the Wii then go ahead make Galaxy 3 but since we are on a new system it's time for the next successor in the series. I'd rather see a successor to the 3D Mario Games series per gen. We've had Galaxy and a sequel I think thats enough for now, I'd say look to the future and see what Nintendo can offer us which will top Galaxy..."Super Mario Universe"..."Super Mario Country" so open world ideas maybe?

For me it's

Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine

I don't count Galaxy 2 because I group it alongside Super Mario Galaxy...since the game was basically created from cut levels of Super Mario Galaxy. Technically if Nintendo did DLC that's what we would of gotten for Super Mario Galaxy.

I'm hoping for a massive open world game next, after what we experienced in Galaxy it seems the next logical choice.

I think this is why people get disappointed with 3D World, they ALWAYS group it into the main console Mario games when it's not part of that. As I've said it's what New Super Mario Bros Wii/U was to the DS version....console versions.

Can't wait for the next Mario successor

[Yodagamer]

I'll be honest i expected this game to disappoint me based on the first trailer, but to say it's the final game disappointed me would be a lie. It's honestly the closest to a 3d 2d mario game we've had. The sheer amount of variety this game had was amazing and i'd say other than basic gameplay (which has been in every 3d mario game) it's almost a completely different game than 3d land.

[-Foxtrot]

"The sheer amount of variety this game had was amazing and i'd say other than basic gameplay (which has been in every 3d mario game) it's almost a completely different game than 3d land.

See I have to disagree with you there, I didn't mind the game but it was an expanded, bigger, much more improved Super Mario 3D Land for consoles like how New Super Mario Bros Wii was to the DS version...nothing more.

Nothing wrong with that but theres nothing in 3D World which makes it a completely different game.

New music, powerups, more characters they're really the main things which set it apart. The gameplay and goal is the same unlike the gameplay difference between Sunshine and Galaxy for example

As I've said nothing wrong with that but I don't agree with people trying to make it out like it's the same as a true 3D Mario game series successor when it isn't....people just want it to be.

I guess that will change when the actual successor comes out though

[LOL_WUT]

It was a good game better than I expected but the repetitiveness of the boss fights, easy levels and the final encounter with bowser made it a disappointment ;)

[Chrischi1988]

That is like saying GTA V hasnt changed GTA a bit, you only got new multiplayer, same doing missions, killing, stealing, nothing has changed.

See what I mean? The Mario was definitely a new game. Like new powerups dont change a lot. The Catsuit basically added a new dimension to the game, because now you were able to explore from above and reach places, which were unreachable before and couldnt be done in 3D Land.

And then again, it is a multiplayer game, the whole game is made for multiplayer, 3D Land was not.

And please stop this nonsense of it not being different. Something makes a series to a series and fans like a game because of some things and those things cannot be changed. That is like saying I want a CoD without shooting or GTA without open world or something like that.

[N4g_null]

I have to say 3d world was way more fun to play though.

The have cleaned up the biggest game play issues in these last 3d Mario games. Now they just have to go all out creative.

Nintendo is forgetting we like detailed art with styles various styles. The ps3 greatest saving grace was actually it's art work not its tech.

[captainexplosion]

I was a bit disappointed too. And I really would of liked stereoscopic 3D support.

[Neonridr]

hmm, that would have been interesting. But then again you could always go for 3D Land to get your 3D support.

[thegent]

I loved the game absoloutly not dissapointed at all. But there were definitely times I wish it had 3d. But it doesnt actually matter to me cause I don't have a a 3d tv. Still such a gorgeous game.

[PSnation4]

mario 3d world was fun..me and my nephews had a blast playing it.. were trying to get every stamp, stars, and golden poles in each world.. its definitely worth every penny.. only gripe i have with the game is thats it's too easy

[Beastforlifenoob]

maybe because its been made for casual kids in mind (like you know how nintendo has been since the N64)

Scream shout and disagree below me how im an idiot and how i desrve to be burnt at stake for critizicing nintendo, come on go ahead

[BosSSyndrome]

Nintendo games are designed to be played either by everyone (Mario, Smash bros) or older people (Zelda, F-zero). They simply lack content that could be considered harmful to children.
A kid was not meant to finish a Zelda game or every level of Mario 3d world.

[N4g_null]

The luigi dlc would be great on this game... the skilled players would pay for the extra challenge or just release it for free.

[LightofDarkness]

No, I was disappointed too. I feel like it was quite over-hyped. I really tried to enjoy it, and at times I did, but it felt like I was playing it just because I was "supposed" to. Eventually I actually evaluated my time with the game and thought "I'm not actually having fun, am I?"

A Link Between Worlds was a much better Nintendo experience for me last year. After SMG2, this game felt a bit half-hearted. A game that is stuck between NSMB and Mario 64, and not doing anything as well as those two titles because of it.

I'll be trying out the MP soon, which may breathe some new life into the game, but I'm not counting on it.

[Th4Freak]

Are you a ginger?

[smashcrashbash]

No, you are just one of the people who aren't afraid to say Mario is getting stale and have no fear of the Nintendo defenders that descend upon you the moment you say it.I was a Mario fan once too.But I have been disappointed with many Mario games that critics just seem to slap on a perfect 10 ignoring anyone who says they are disappointed or seem to refuse to point out it's flaws.They are barely even a challenge anymore.I blow through Mario games now and then think 'Is that it?'.

Then Nintendo fills up the time with gimmicks that aren't even that interesting.I barely even die anymore in the games.I can walk through Mario levels without dying even once.Even the power ups have lost their luster seemingly more for show so people can say 'Awwww... how cute' like the recent cat suit.But if you say anything like that you are INSTANTLY branded a Nintendo hater and get abuse from all sides because you insulted the mighty Nintendo.I have been saying forever about Mario Kart because of the multiple power ups they give you,less challenging tracks and rubber band A.I.But people still just slap on a 9 or 10 and pretend they can't hear you.But just let any other racing game do that and you will see how fast the score goes down because of it.

[-Foxtrot]

"Mario games that critics just seem to slap on a perfect 10 ignoring anyone who says they are disappointed or seem to refuse to point out it's flaws"

I have to admit thats a problem these days, I liked 3D World but I wouldn't give it a 9/10 or 10/10 like most people are giving it. I'd say it's a 7.5 at best.

Journalists do this with Zelda aswell, Skyward Sword was such a step back for the franchise yet I felt because of the brand name and hype it got it's near perfect scores straight away before people had actually played it. Gameplay wise it was repetitive and had nothing on past main Zelda games.

The 7.5 score Gamespot (I think) gave was spot on, he realised it wasn't as good as past Zelda games and he proudly stated it but look at the backlash which happened.

I know you can say the same for the Last of Us 7.5 score but then again that review made no sense and the site Polygon as biased as hell anyway. Gamespot was quite fair in his review for Zelda.

I just wish journalists would stop doing this, Nintendo will keep doing the same things over and over again if journalists keep a tight lid because of fears over backlash.

[thegent]

Skyward sword, mario 3d world and last of us were all amazing games, probably my theee favourite games since ss came out. But the review from gamespot for ss was not fair at all, the guy didnt know how to use a wiimote. I thought skyward sword was the perfect example on how to implement motion controls, just like albw did with 3d.

[-Foxtrot]

Skyward Sword compared to the past games was bad, it was a step back, repeative, offered less freedom, got boring fast.

I mean it had nothing on Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask and even the brilliant Twilight Princess.

Plus the Wii mote thing was another con...not giving us the choice to use a gamecube controller.

Anyway may aswell use this comment since it's my last one.

I honestly can't believe the disagrees my posts are getting. You praise Mario/Nintendo you get disagreed, you criticize you get disagreed. Honestly Nintendo fanboys are the worst on this site, hell the internet in general.

All you guys want to see is "I love Mario and Nintendo, they can't do nothing wrong, nothing will every stop them since they are so awesome"...seriously you guys hate seeing them criticized in any way. It's becoming sad now, it really is.

Not like I'm hating on them and saying the game is s***....jesus christ.

It's like if you do not have a full on positive opinion about Nintendo/Mario then your opinion is wrong.

[BosSSyndrome]

I strongly disagree with you about skyward sword and twilight princess. TP was the ultimate refinement of the Zelda formula, yet introduced few new concepts. SS on the other hand went in radically different directions and did wonderfully refreshing things.

[Jay70sgamer]

@foxtrot ...I'm glad you used up all your bubbles because the last 4 comments posted you was 0 - 1000 lol I suggest you keep some of your comments to yourself because no one agrees with you lol sometimes in life your gotta know when to hold Em and when to fold Em lol

[live2play]

Thanks man i needed a good laugh

What really got me is.when you started crying murder over some disagrees

Seriously man, nintendo fans are the worst? Especially in this site...??? Seriously!?!?

Yes ofcourse because its nintendo fans that go to sony and microsoft articles every chance they get to troll and bash them.

Its nintendo fans that even though they dont own a sony or microsoft console still go.to those articles and say how the xbone looks like a vhs or how theres a conspiracy when sony says. WE CANT MAKE ENOUGH CONSOLES TO MEET DEMAND. Its nintendo fans saying, nah they are making false shortages to increase more demand...

Yea nintendo fans might have given you 9 disagrees... which is laughable considering if you troll a sony article you get 42 disagrees and bubble down along with a 2 day ban

[SpiralTear]

Man, just because you don't like the game doesn't mean that your opinion is the one Truth and everyone else is ignorant of it.

If you didn't like 3D World, fine, but a lot of people did. I did. Did I find it more fun than Galaxy 2? No, but I liked it. And if the author was disappointed by Super Mario 3D World, that's no reason to vilify him. It's his opinion.

There's no reason to cry out against gamers and critics just because they disagree with you. Cool your jets.

[N4g_null]

The best way to prove if you are right is to make a better product. If Mario is trash then go and make your own. I enjoyed it and have been tweaking game play in engines for a long time and it is truly hard to get that type of game play in game.

[andrewer]

Freaking loved that game, can't understand ya

[fonger08]

I kind of agree too. While fun and extremely well designed I think it was just over hyped for me. With all the blogs, gameplay footage, and early previews, a lot of it was sort of an over saturation... technically I can only blame myself for clicking and reading everything on it.

[Geobros]

Everyone has his taste. After 20 years of gaming, i find Mario 3D World really amazing as its a "linear" Mario and not boring to me.

Though, If i was young, I would prefer a totally open 3D mario, like Mario 64 for example.

[AnotherGamer117]

Why is there such a huge following behind Mario? I didn't grow up with Nintendo, but with Sega and Sonic.

The first Mario game I played was Mario 64 (I think that is what it was called - the 3D version). The next one I played was Sunshine and liked it. The last one I played was Galaxy and didn't really like it (hell I still don't understand the hype behind this game).

I learned some hard lessons that just because a character is in a game doesn't mean it will be worth the $$ to buy.

So anyway back on topic - why is mario so loved and why was Galaxy such a great game? I remember just using that spin attack to beat almost any boss or character in the game.

What made the game so great?

[just-joe]

No, it's your opinion, like it or not.

[TripC50]

Sure, why not.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

No soul?
HAHA.
That's stretching it a bit.
It's fine to not like Mario, man. Everyone has preferences.
Likely you're waiting for the next big open-world 3D Mario game, in the same vein as Galaxy, Sunshine, and 64.
There's nothing wrong with that.

At least you aren't mindlessly bashing it or trying to pass it off as a children's game like some of the OTHER retards around the internet...

[zpoc]

super mario galaxy and super mario 3D land both felt like substantial evolutions of the formula, and made the hardware they were created for feel relevant (to me). 3D world was more of a minor reworking of previously explored ideas. still a great game of course, but not mind blowing.

[BosSSyndrome]

Games are certainly subjective, but you are definitely part of a small number of people. I thought it was pretty good. Not galaxy good, but good.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Well, everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion.

Personally? I loved the game. Me and the wife played and enjoyed a great deal of it.