Why The Console Wars & 60FPS Tomb Raider Arguments Are Ridiculous

This weeks episode of NO Button Masher sees Diego Arlek discussing Why the console wars are ridiculous and if Tomb Raider in 60FPS really matters?

[JBSleek]

Truth play on the system that the games you prefer. If you don't like either exclusives I would go PC.

[yewles1]

"Why The Console Wars & 60FPS Tomb Raider Arguments Are Ridiculous"

...because they're only valid when it favors the other platform?

[JEECE]

Yeah, back in 2006-2007 every games media site went crazy when Need For Speed fill in the blank and Rainbow 6:Vegas ran at 30fps on 360 while on PS3 these games were rendered unplayable due to dips down to 27fps. Now a game running at nearly twice the fps on PS4 as compared to X1 is stupid console war talk.

[starchild]

You guys are acting as if the PS4 version is a solid 60fps game. It isn't. It averages below 60fps most of the time. The Xb1 version averages 30fps most of the time.

And the reason for that is that the XB1 version is capped at 30fps, while the PS4 version has a much more fluctuating frame rate since they didn't cap it at 30fps.

The PS4 version averages higher and would do so even if the XB1 version was uncapped, but it wouldn't be nearly the difference some of you are making it out to be.

EVERY game that is capped at 30fps would actually average quite a bit higher if it was uncapped. Often in the 40s and up into the 50s.

So if the XB1 version was uncapped, like the PS4 version is, it would likely average somewhere around 43fps (as a general estimate). The PS4 version only averages around 53fps, which means the ACTUAL difference would be only about 10fps.

We saw plenty of games that stuck mostly to 30fps on the 360 last generation while dipping down into the low 20s or even teens on the PS4. If the Tomb Raider difference is worth pointing out now, it was definitely worth pointing out those differences last generation.

Especially since in the case of Tomb Raider we have one version with a largely steady framerate, while the other one averages higher but is all over the place and stutters more.

On the other hand, last generation when both versions of a game were capped at 30fps and one version frequently dropped well below that there would be no doubt about which one had the better, more steady frame rate.

[Why o why]

8 paragraphs of deflection and damage control. Leave it out starchild. I made reference to the hard headed x1 fans just the other day. All now, some of you cant just admit defeat on the power aspect. In gaming terms, 720 or 900p vs 1080p is a lot. 30fps vs 60fps is a lot especially if we used the xbox camps last gen multiplat barometer. This gens gap is wider and more significant.

The quicker people like yourself move on and stop spinning the quicker 'some' will stop shoving proof down your gape holes. For this year at least just focus on exclusives.... leave the console power battle alone...its long

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah. We needed this last gen. This is a gen late.

[webeblazing]

soooooo waht yall saying is we should keep doing this?

i think your missing the point.

[Animavicion]

"This, is WORLD, WAR, 8" best joke 2013-2014

[SilentNegotiator]

Some people might say that 60fps is better than 30fps. I know, crazy, right?

It's as though not everyone can afford both systems and might want to get the one that does the multiplats better (or at least best version of the game if they have both systems).

[KillrateOmega]

Because they are stupid...

It's just a bunch of people who argue over every little detail and who choose to only gracefully accept the positive facts of their side.

[Rhythmattic]

If it doesn't matter why even make a video regarding it ?

[HmongAmerican]

If we don't nitpick then there is no improvement in gaming. Better frame rates/graphics mean better games and less bugs/glitches. Overall, makes for a better experiences.

[jessupj]

I think if Spencer, Hryb and Penello didn't constantly spurt out BS and put their foot in their mouths every second day in the months leading up to launch (and even last week as well), it would still be a big deal but I think there definitely wouldn't be as much hate, bitterness, poking fun at, and out right denial.

I think a lot of MS fans would be a lot more accepting and less insecure and in turn less sony fans would be taking advantage of said insecurity.

I think once the next crop of games come out the huge gap in performance won't be such a big deal and most MS fans will come to accept it or will get a ps4. Righ now some of them are hanging onto the slightest hope that it's just because of the xbone's harder architecture, but if you've seen the specs you know that simply isn't true.

If those MS excecs keep running there mouths I believe this will never go away and MS fans are going to be constantly mocked.

I really hope eventually we can all just accept the performance gap, stop the hate and denial, enjoy our games and move on, for both console owners.

[DualWielding]

to be fair Tomb Raider Definitive is a special case because its a game whose only selling point is looking better than last gen consoles so graphical issues matter more than in other cases

[Mr_Luke]

It's true, it's ridiculous.... if you have the weaker console (that you paid more).

[LeCreuset]

"Why The Console Wars & 60FPS Tomb Raider Arguments Are Ridiculous"

Because #XB1M13?

[strickers]

What is strange is that review scores aren't reflecting the difference. When 360/ PS3 reviews had differences , PS3 got lower scores. That would be for a average 3 fps lower, a few muddy textures and a missing bush or maybe a 15 line res difference. The difference in almost all faceoffs was very small, yet apparently a massive thing. We are seeing large gaps favouring PS4 over XB1 but now it doesn't matter. Odd.
MS seem to carry far more sway with media.

[memots]

Not as ridicous as comparing grass to cla what version was the best...

[Mikefizzled]

At the end of the game its graphics<gameplay in my book.

[Studio-YaMi]

Of course it is,but I bet that wasn't your "rule" last gen when most multiplates looked better on Xbox360,you liked to rub it into PS3 owners noses,didn't you? :)

[Mikefizzled]

I didn't care then and I don't care now. I always had a £1000 PC to do any real heavy lifting but even then theres few ultra high end games that are actually fun to play.

[AtomicGerbil]

Funny! The parity difference wasn't ridiculous when it favoured Microsoft's product.

[Kivespussi]

Tomb raider and many other multiplats have shown that PS4 is more powerful. Xbox One will eventually get to point where most games are 1080p and 60fps but at that point PS4 games will look way, way better.
If MS releases underpowered console they have to suffer the consequences.

[Smootherkuzz]

We are talking to different concepts between consoles. If you like kinect, snap and Skype and features along with the games then you buy the Xbox One. If you just like what PS has to offer then u buy Sony. Done.

[LeCreuset]

It's not "done," because that's not all that factors into people's decision to buy a console. Maybe that's all that factors into YOUR decision, but there are many people who look at the things you said PLUS things like price and multiplat performance. What needs to be "done" with are overly sensitive people trying to put a gag order on the internet because certain truths don't favor their preferred console.

[DEEBO]

The reason why you won't see different scores is because MS is one of the most riches companys in the world.
We are lucky they are reporting half of this stuff now,so no we probably never see review scores reflecting performance difference out of the gaming website's.
I bet some editor's are having problems with power difference because of their brand loyalty.
This why we have articles like the one above us.

[TheKayle1]

idiotics things and biased sites apart...

all system are goods...pc for every multiplats around...ps for sony exclusives..and xb1 for ms exclusives....well also nintendo for their exclusives...

we can troll for years but the truth is just this..

but i must say a thing..after 7 years of ps3 users saying "i play multiplats on pc" now being so lovely attached to the multiplats on console

[Bdub2000]

It matters if you want the "superior" machine, in this case superior means higher FPS and resolution. But that won't always be the deciding factor, games will make a difference, both platforms will offer stunning graphics and great to xclusives.

Microsoft invested so much in integrating kinect on the x1, it better do some amazing stuff real quick to capture that audience... Otherwise, the uninformed person or even family man that's "on the fence" will probably pick up a ps4 because the specs are right there on the box, you can argue that the games *look* the same, but the ps4 specs are higher and that's what a lot of consumers look at. Just like I don't know a whole lot about PC, so I might just pick up the Cpu with the best specs not knowing that a different type Cpu might fit my needs better.