Industry Insider: "Xbox One Will be Behind all Generation, and Not by Some Small Trivial Margin"

Industry insider Ashan Rasheed, also known on NeoGAF and Twitter as Thuway mentioned something that heard "down the grapevine" mentioning that Xbox One might be behind for the whole generation.

[Eonjay]

I can't imagine why Microsoft would want to withhold the power being used by Kinect. That being said and now that they have reversed course, does this open the door for an Xbox One without Kinect?

Actually, by making sure that Kinnect had dedicated resources, it was supposed to be an incentive for developers to use Kinect. Without the GPU and CPU boost and with Kinect using resources, what type of machine was Microsoft preparing for developers?

[dedicatedtogamers]

I think we've known this. Microsoft kept changing the goalposts from "our hardware is just as powerful" to "we're just as powerful...once you factor in the cloud" to "we're less powerful on paper, but we invented DirectX"

Now they've simply stopped making excuses and they say "we will offer the best *experience* for the next-gen consoles".

EDIT: FWIW, perhaps this is a sign of Microsoft dropping Kinect? Kind of unexpected, but this rumor (if true) would make Kinect officially "optional" for every game.

[NatureOfLogic]

I guess the power of the clouds message didn't fool as many as MS had hoped. Now with this damage control OS reduction that won't make a difference.

[MysticStrummer]

I was in Best Buy today and saw the XB1 sign claiming to have the best looking games. It made me chuckle.

[cleft5]

This is the reality that people need to just accept. Developers will get better at making games for the Xbox One and the PS4.

If we are already seeing a difference in resolution that says 2 very important things. The first is it speaks to the power of the PS4 and ease of accessing that power. 2nd is that developers will not be gimping their games so that they can be on par with one another.

[Hercules189]

@Mystic Well its not like they have the worst looking games. Between Ryse and Killzone its pretty much up for grabs on which console has the best looking games. I guess I will just have to settle for 30fps like we have been for many generations.

[Ultra]

MISTERX and the clones will try to sabotage this yummy news.

[stuna1]

The issue a lot of early adopters when then have is where can we get a $100 dollar refund from if Kinects is no longer a intergral part of the Xbox1.

[imt558]

Quote :

...once you factor in the cloud" to "we're less powerful on paper, but we invented DirectX"...

Microsoft BOUGHT DirectX technology. Well, write RenderMorphics on Google.

[erathaol]

Even with the GPU release, I feel like Microsoft will eventually release a Kinect-less Xbox One to compete harder.

The "Arcade" version possibly.

[johndoe11211]

@NatureOfLogic

EXACTLY. If I was a xbox supporter I would be PISSED right now. Why do they need to do this if they have the power of the cloud????? They them selves said the cloud would turn 1 xbox into 10. Why would they need to gimp the kinect to give devs this extra power??? Why are they taking away the feature they touted as its main feature if they have 10 xbones in the cloud?

If this is not proof enough of the lies and deceit that microsoft has been spouting for the past 8 months i don't know what is. When will people open their eyes? Was this not false advertising?

This has to be the biggest con in the gaming industry I've ever seen.

[MysticStrummer]

@Hercules - When I laughed it was mainly because I was thinking of the multi plat differences we've seen so far. As for Ryse or Killzone, I don't think it's up for grabs at all. Ryse has nice character models, but overall KZ looks better. Forza's cars look nice, but overall Drive Club looks better. of course XB1 doesn't have the worst looking games, but even the possibility of freeing up a little more power still leaves it behind PS4.

[adorie]

Even if they drop Kinect, it's already becoming a wide-known fact that the hardware is superior inside of the PS4 case.

What do you do to go against that? Despite Microsoft shaving an impressive markshare amount from Sony, Microsoft really blundered their launch and that sting resonated from May till now.

What I keep reading from people is that Microsoft didn't bring their all during the last 3 years of the 360's money-making lifespan, I didn't notice, myself, but if you attempt to see their releases from the last few years, or even from launch till now, you'll notice that there is a massive difference.

They're spending less, for one.

[abzdine]

i feel sorry for xbox fans being shit at in public like this. what a pity!! The day Sony or Nintendo do this i stop playing games!

EDIT: removing kinect wont make games 1080p suddenly. the console isn't powerful deal with it guys!

[H0RSE]

@abzdine

"removing kinect wont make games 1080p suddenly. the console isn't powerful deal with it guys!"

- The X1 can already render games at native 1080p and at 60fps.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[NoLongerHereCBA]

imt558 it's not like they bought it a month ago. They bought it a long time ago when it was in it's early stages. MS is still responsible for everything there after, so your comment is void.

I think it is to early for MS to really make this move. The fact that they (might) do it now, clearly shows that they have nothing else on their sleeves and that this is a desperate move. Unless this rumor is false and they have optimized the hell out of it and it will be 4% or so less.

[madjedi]

@horse Yeah a kinect game, some sports titles, and forza 5 which is using prebaked lighting and cardboard cut out crowds while no more taxing next gen effects are utilized.

That list really is alot less impressive than you think it is, if the box was more capable dr3 and ryse at the very least would run at a higher resolution as would the multiplat games

The situation might improve a little with more mature tools, but parity is out of the question.

[quaneylfc]

then my kinect will be getting traded in faster than a naughty foster kid.

[user5575708]

@nature and johndoe

the cloud power technically can increase processing power however you would need a flawless connection using fiber optic cables to really get the most out of it. so overall its limited to very few areas in the world and that kind of internet speed costs a high premium for the average xbox owner to afford even in those areas.

connection speeds in most areas are not up to snuff yet to really take advantage of cloud processing power. so for the majority of xbox owners this is definitely a hoax

[H0RSE]

@madjedi

I expected a response like yours, since the Sony crowd will use whatever justification it can to discredit the X1.

"it's just a racing game."
"it's just a sports game."
"it's just a kinect game."

and even in instances where a multiplat is 1080p on both, it's always "well, the PS4 is more powerful," or "well the PS4 has more 1080p games."

Funny how they are "only sports games" on X1, but on PS4 they seem to be legit 1080p titles. Forza 5 is "just a race a game," but since Driveclub utilizes more hardware intensive techniques, now it's a game "worth" being mentioned as 1080p.

It appears to have come to the point where games simply running at native 1080p aren't enough anymore. They have to be hardware intensive games, that exclude certain genres (sports, peripheral-based) and/or must also be running at 60fps...and this mindset is only after 2 months of the consoles being released...

At this pace, I expect after a yr or more into release, 4k will be demanded as mandatory, framerate must be unlocked, achieving higher than 60fps, thought-based control will have to be supported, and the only excuse(s) for a game ever running at a measly 1080p, would be due to it being such a complex and hardware intensive game to develop, that the concept of quantum mechanics or calculating infinity, is dwarfed by the games development process.

From what I know, as of now, Tomb Raider is still 1080p on both consoles, but I guess that falls under the "it's only running at 30fps," justification, right? Halo will likely be 1080p/60fps, but I'm sure it will also fall under a justification - perhaps the , "PS4 has more 1080p games," mentioned above?

It is known that the PS4 has more powerful and easy to use hardware, but this doesn't somehow discredit every game running at 1080p and/or 60fps on the X1. If a game achieves these goals on X1, it isn't going to take away from the PS4 doing the same thing, and it isn't going to change that the PS4 is still running more powerful hardware.

Some of you are so caught up in the "thrill of victory" right now, that you lash out at any good achievement X1 makes, as though it detracts from your "high." It's almost like some of the PS4 crowd aren't happy unless it is beating the X1 in absolutely everything, but not just beating it, but substantially so, almost like any indication that "the gap" is anything less than a mile wide, throws these rabid fanboys into a panicky rage.

[Giul_Xainx]

Why can't they just admit that Don Matrick was WRONG? They should have taken their new xbox off the damn market as it was, rip out everything we didn't want, and come out a year later with something ... I don't know... KINECT-LESS?

What I can't believe is that Microsoft has adverts telling people about the XBOX and Kinect while Sony just keeps playing their PS4 ads on the TV and selling MILLIONS MORE.

[r2oB]

@ Horse

I think he was implying that removing Kinect will not suddenly allow games that are not native 1080p, become 1080p. As in a game thats 720p, will not suddenly be able to be rendered in 1080p because of the freed up resources.

[ZombieKiller]

If this is the case dedicated, where they drop the Kinect, and maybe throw in a $100 price drop, I would consider the Xbox One.

I like having the option to add peripherals to my experience at my own expense rather than having them be required. These are video games, the only thing that SHOULD be required is an online connection to play MP.

For those who prefer a controller, being forced to include the Kinect in your purchase is unfair. To pay an extra $100 for that Kinect that you don't need or WANT, well let's just say I am going with a PS4.

[Christopher]

Dropping kinect for good would be about the only way I'd buy a Xbox One. No matter the quality of games on the system, I refuse to pay for it or support it.

[nukeitall]

@cgoodno:

We won't miss you!

But why not support cutting edge technology that hopefully will change the way we game?

Why go for the same old, same old. Forgotten how we used to play with mouse and keyboard, and now we prefer controllers?

Simplicity and immersion is key to move the gaming medium forward. I don't want to be stuck in the past simply because it is the standard.

[pixelsword]

Diskinected.

About time, too.

[Toon_Link]

Lol maybe the all mighty cloud will handle kinect but I could see that being extremely annoying when it wasn't working properly.

Either way this would upset me as an early adopter considering all the stuff they've said about kinect integration.

[redwin]

Ms haters will never get a Xbox, Microsoft will sell because of word of mouth. The 360 was less powerful than the ps3. Xbox got to where they are because of the games. I'm sure they'll be ok if they play their own game. Let Sony come out first with their DRM( playstation now ) and then they'll go it after it's excepted, then they'll come back with things old IP's and just keep their profit high and their over head low. You don't get it, they don't want everybody they just want the ones that are willing to spend .

[Pogmathoin]

All this from a 'down the grapevine' article..... Its good enough for me! :)

[ChrisW]

[rolleyes]

Behind in only the graphics department...

[DragonKnight]

@nukeitall: Did you just start gaming as soon as Xbox came around? Kinect isn't innovative, it isn't cutting edge, and it isn't going to change the way anyone games.

No one wants it. Older gamers have seen Kinect before the Xbox and no it's worthless. Newer gamers have seen that Kinect has no games worth playing and makes it equally worthless.

Face it, Kinect is garbage and everyone but diehard Xbox fans like you knows it.

[madjedi]

Horse your reply is hilarious, if that was a rabid fanboy response you will have a rough time on n4g this gen.

I do not consider any sports game to be remotely demanding, a kinect game. Judging by the last gen lineup of kinect games you will forgive me for not considering it a relevant measure of the xbox one's potential.

Now had forza used more demanding effect 1080p @ 60 fps would have been a great achievement for the xbox one.

Your the one bringing up 1080p games at 60 fps, i merely responded to your post, buddy if anyone is moving imaginary goalposts it's you.

[ChrisW]

@DragonKnight,

Which is exactly why the PS4 Camera isn't bundled, right???

[DragonKnight]

@ChrisW: The PS4 camera isn't bundled due to this new concept called "having an option."

I know, I know, Xbox fans aren't used to such a radical concept, but it's a good thing.

It's also not bundled because Sony didn't want to take the financial hit of bundling it and keeping the cost of the PS4 at $400, which is what they were going to do initially until they changed their mind.

And then there's the fact that the camera is not a requirement of the PS4 in any way shape or form and never has been.

I could go on.

But seriously, look up the word "optional" and your mind will be blown.

[Christopher]

***But why not support cutting edge technology that hopefully will change the way we game? ***

Because it isn't that. It's a gimmick.

And, yes, I've used it. And, yes, I put Move in the same arena as that. I feel the same way with WiiU and the "forced" tablet.

These are just gimmicks to try and sell a new way to game when people aren't asking for new ways to game, just better games.

***Why go for the same old, same old. Forgotten how we used to play with mouse and keyboard, and now we prefer controllers? ***

Used to? Prefer? Only for specific games. But, I'm split even between controllers and k/m. Sorry if you think there's only one way to do it or something.

***Simplicity and immersion is key to move the gaming medium forward. I don't want to be stuck in the past simply because it is the standard.***

Disagree. Immersion requires more effort when gaming is more about relaxing and putting oneself into the shoes of a hero (or villain). Immersive technology is cumbersome and requires a wider range of movement than what most hardcore gamers look for in their games. It doesn't "improve" the event of gaming, it just changes how you move.

I have just as much, usually a lot more, with a k/m or controller than waving my arms about or moving my shoulder/arms around for an hour or two to simulate doing something in game. The act of making larger movements tends to make me not want to play, even. Move Sports, most of the actions were overly repetitive and not at all indicative of going out and doing the sport since you moved only a small part of your body and performed the same actions over and over, which is bad for your body.

[Sammy777]

even if they remove Kinect it won't make any difference.
http://insiderp.com/ps4vsxb...
16 ROPS

12 compute units

768 shader units

2 ACE/16 queues
VS

32 ROPS

18 compute units

1152 shader units

8 ACE/64 queues
RAM - 8gb DDR3 at 68g/s ,eSRAM at 102g/s vs GDDR5 at 176g/s

[HighResHero]

Will be interesting to see how devs (especially first party) make use of the PS4's 8 ACE units and unique architecture over the course of the next few years.

[adorie]

Based Cerny. As always.Carry on, People.

[Unspoken]

Imagine how the same games will look on PC!! Over 100%-250% more powerful than the PS4, and that is only on a single card setup, imagine 2, 3, or even 4 GPUs!!!

64 ROPs vs 32

44 compute units vs 18

2816 shader units vs 1152

176 texture units vs 72

320 GB/s memory bandwidth vs 176 GB/s

I hope developers don't go for the lowest common denominator as console ports typically hold back graphics for PC games. It will be such a waste if they target the low end power of the PS4.

Thankfully they have been pushing the PS4 with multiplats so that is a good sign they will at least allow for higher resolution and more frames per second, but they may not program for better graphics unless a new engine is made targeting the PC market.

[slapedurmomsace]

@unspoken

lol, the 10 people in the world that have a set up that nice agree with you.

Seriously man, the world troll is way over used in life, but you sir are the definition..4 GPU set up? Are you kidding me, 9/10 games run WORSE in crossfire/SLI. I bet you are a PC gamer who bought an Alienware rig and brag about your set up.

[Volkama]

@slap He's trolling, but when you see PS4 fans talking specs in Xbox articles that's usually what they're doing too. If there was an article posted today celebrating the specs of the XBox One how do you think the comments section would look?

The numbers he quotes are for a single card setup. Clearly not a card that is common or typical, but not an obscure rarity either.

Also, you can get more-or-less perfect scaling with 2 cards, and very good scaling with 3.

[Gamer1982]

@slapedurmomsace You dont need a nice setup you can buy a card for cheaper than a PS4 and get better looking games. The 7970 is around £200 now and blows the PS4 out the water. Plays BF4 at 1080P 60FPS+ with max settings. Consoles don't even run at max settings.

[Wizard_King]

You don't even need a super computer like that, most average gaming rigs now already have specs far superior to both new consoles.

Its just an optimization thing.

[ps360s]

@ Unspoken

Yes PC is more powerful then any console (hate when people say yea my PC set up is more powerful then this console! well then show us the QUALITY EXCLUSIVE's then and the ease to just turn on and play) I have never ever bought up my gaming PC/laptop to a consoles discussion!

BUT

that doesn't stop consoles selling over 4million...

people talk about specs being this console better then that console it called a console war...

[Volkama]

Sorry ps360s, but you don't always get to pick your battles.

I can "just turn on my PC" with the press of a button, and I can launch games just as easily. With my solid state drives the whole process is significantly quicker than either console, too.

Games? Exclusives? PC has the most games, the most releases, the most exclusives, the highest budget games.

If you don't like being on the receiving end of a "spec war" then don't start them or participate in them at all.

Now despite all that I bet you'll enjoy your PS4, right? So maybe allow XBox One owners the same courtesy.

[TruthInsider]

Always a PC nob at hand because they're bored of sitting alone at their computer desk playing these great games no one has ever heard of on a keyboard and mouse - Yuck!

Or are you waiting for the 300 updates and drivers to install everytime you boot it up.

PC gamers - The crusty sock brigade!

[reaperofsouls]

@ gamer1982

you can't run games with just a graphics card you the rest of the PC also including a power supply that is stable enough to handle it and has two PCI-e connectors and a case thats big enought to physically allow the card to be fit with sufficent cooling. So in reality you need to spend at least £600- £700 on a gaming that is PS4 equivalent £1200 if it Dell alienware

[Volkama]

If you're referring to me Phil then you have my angle all wrong. I really like my consoles. I really like my PC.

I just don't like fanboys.

I'd explain myself more thoroughly, but as you apparently find it hard to play a game on a PC I doubt there is much point.

[Dynasty2021]

@slapedurmomsace

"Seriously man, the world troll is way over used in life, but you sir are the definition..4 GPU set up? Are you kidding me, 9/10 games run WORSE in crossfire/SLI."

Oh look another console kid who doesn't know what they're talking about.

SLI setups run better in 90% of games. Fact. End of story. Those that don't, simply don't have SLI coded into the engine, OR, Nvidia has yet to release drivers to make it work (ala DayZ Standalone as a recent example).

If you had 4 cards, there comes a point where the extra power is USELESS, not UNUSED.

Most games max at 200 FPS (not that you'd know what that looks like). If you reach that with 3 cards, and can maintain it, then yeah, 4 cards is USELESS.

[kingPoS]

@Unspoken

You can buy a decent car with a setup like that. If you have the money for it, good for you, but for people on a limited budget well... you know that goes. What are we doing here, processing frames for Pixar?

Gateway MT6706 2008

[pyramidshead]

Remember though MS has that secret hidden stacked SOC that elevates it's power into the 5TF range ;). /s

[supergravity]

@Sammy777 & The_Infected

Exactly.

I guess this is what happens when the hardware group and software group WORKS together. The difference in raw performance is phenomenal but without being esoteric, thats the key to all of this...the time to triangle, and mastery won't be nearly as long as in the past because of this wonderful collaboration. Thank you Mark Cerny and Thank you SONY, be very PROUD.

[ZombieKiller]

@Volkama: So you've played God of War?

Uncharted?
Last of Us?
GTA?
Metal Gear?

These are MY favorite games series of all time.
The only one on this list that yo uare able to play which I did not mention is Devil May Cry and that last one, they botched up.
So PLEASE try again....
Your Pretend Console doesn't come close to my PS4.

[Wizard_King]

lol everyone that disagrees with me is either a blind fanboy or just ignorantly retarded.

My old gaming rig from 4 years ago has more of the whoop whoops you plebs are counting by double across the board.

My gaming rig from this year has 4x the whoop whoops you plebs are fighting about.

What is important is how the people developing the games takes use of that power, IE OPTIMIZATION. If a decent dev came out and spent all their time on a PC exclusive and aimed at using all of todays maximum power we would have another Crysis that consoles couldn't touch for 10 more years.

But the devs go for easy money more and easy to work with static hardware and goals, with the big $$$ contracts.

I love me PS4 again I have to say this or else you fanbabies seem to cry elitist, I just happen to have the best of both worlds and see through the fanboy crap.

NEARLY ALL MODERN MID RANGE GAMING RIGS HAVE MORE ROPS, COMPUTE UNITS, SHADER UNITS ETC. THIS IS FACT THIS IS NOT JUST MY OPINION. IT IS SIMPLY THAT NO ONE SPENDS ALL THAT TIME OPTIMIZING PC GAMES FOR ALL THE POSSIBLE DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS OF HARDAWRE.

[N4g_null]

So you have 16 more rops... Please tell me if you even know what that does? 6 more comput units, what does that do and is that even enough to brag about? A little more shader units... what is that like 4 more fps?

OK and Sony biggest bet 8 gigs of gddr5 ram that isn't really designed for complicated code vs esram which can refresh and store tricky code decency faster than normal ram yet all you see is a bigger number with a smaller price tag.

I think sony should start selling tvs with two remotes to you guys and laptops with two keyboards so you can work faster. Hell i think tvs need 8 gigs of gddr5 too! Only a youth would fall fr this stuff. If you are buying a ps4 please buy it for the games and not the tech.

[MetaReapre]

To all those saying PC gaming is easy and better than console gaming.

I may get replies saying otherwise here but to hell with it cause this is my personal experience. Consoles have a lot more to ease of use than PC's as I constantly have to do maintenance on my gaming laptop.

Yea, I have a nice alienware m17x. Its great for gaming, I hook my ps4 controller with ds4 tool to play some games like rogue legacy as well as others, but for some games I do like a keyboard/mouse for controls.

Anyway I digress, my point is to keep a computer efficiently running you have to do monthly maintenance, like disk clean up/defragmenting, constantly making sure you get virus checks done, and clean dust out of your computer (although consoles have to clean out the dust too every year-is to make sure nothing happens). But then there are much more to setting up a game and issues that can come with that (example: something is not supported so you have to do such and such to fix it, like I had to downgrade my IE to IE9 so I could get this one game, as well as skype, to even show the log in screen). With console games I never have a problem installing them, no problems with incompatibility (unless your talking about backwards compatibility). Consoles are just easier to use in general.

[Bathyj]

MS has lacked direction and been unsure of their own vision from the start.

Actually that's not true. They had a clear agenda at their reveal, and that agenda was we're going to screw the gamers. You can't agree with that vision but it least it was their own.

However since the backlash which they obviously weren't expecting and the subsequent 180s, everything they've done has been a reaction not an action. Freeing Xbone from Kinect would just be a long line of decisions they should have made in the first place, not just in response to negative external forces.

[Rhythmattic]

Agreed....

Sony in the past had a trojan horse... CD/DVD/BLU Ray.... Not so much this new gen..... with the PS4 they have cleverly read the gamers market....

As for MS, with the media PC, they wanted to own the Lounge room, and realistically, thats what the One is... it was a ballsy tactic by them, but the consumers (Gamers) have spoken...

The One isn't a failure by any means.... It does what it does...
Its selling well enough....

However , people in the Know, know MS's roadmap to this day is remaining cryptic.......

To juxtapose, Its a sheep in wolf's clothing.....

[Blaze929]

xbox 360 was behind all last generation to PS3. PS2 was behind all generation to Xbox 1. Look how those two turned out.

Unless it's exclusive, it really won't matter.

[Prophet-Gamer]

What planet are you on dude. One of the 360s biggest advantages was superior third party games for most of last gen. It made up for MS' weak first party output

[GTgamer]

Xbox 360 was only behind in exclusives not multiplatform allot of Multiplatform games didn't benefit from PS3 Cell because it was too difficult to work with But Sony First party Devs got the Power out.
PS2 came out first and had all the games that's why that won and had a growing Fanbase to start on thanks to PS1.

Do you see where I'm getting at this generation it isn't those scenario's so you don't know how this gen will turn out.

[TheSaint]

On what planet did PS2 lose to the original Xbox??

[MysticStrummer]

@Jim - He means in power, but those aren't good examples to prove the point he's trying to make. 360 was less powerful but easier to work on and multi plats usually showed that, even though PS3 had the better looking exclusives. That's a huge reason why 360 held onto it's lead for so long before slipping to 3rd at the end. XB was more powerful than PS2 but launched too late to make a huge impact. This gen PS and XB launched at the same time, but PS is cheaper, more powerful, and easier to work with.

"Unless it's exclusive, it really won't matter."

That's not what we're seeing so far...

[ZombieKiller]

Blaze: that is the furthest thing from the truth. When did any xbox beat any Playstation besides the first half of last gen? Only due to the YEAR lead the xbox had. Seriously dude, do you actually believe that? Where are you getting your info from?

[showtimefolks]

yeh this industry insider has something otherwise known as common sense, something that's missing within MS

you are in the gaming business and just had success with xbox360 for one generation life cycle yet MS acted as if they had ruled gaming for past 2 decades

its one thing to make mistakes and learn from them but its another to know 100% what your audience want even if they want something totally different

[Iamnemesis4880]

The kinect is fun to use for a few minutes but there is not a thing in games worth to run the kinect my kinect is just there to login my profile that's it.
But it is garbage that the x1 is not able to run at full power what were you thinking Microsoft get your act together please

[Sarcasm]

You don't need an "industry" insider to be able to see this. It's been cemented since both hardware specs were published. Only fanboys and uninformed people really think they are close in hardware.

[HammerKong]

yeah xb1 versions will be inferior to ps4 ,but not buy big difference ,games will still look great on both versions ,they will havesame effects but devs will have to sacrifice will resolutions ,on the exclusive side there will be war of better exclusives ,obviosly cluod will help devs to get more better looking graphics on xb1 and this year at e3 they first time will show the games running with the help of cloud,i know this becasue i'am having some connections with the industry ,this e3 gona be amazing ,first time we will see games running with the cloud and taking advantage of it and yeah cloud computing is possible we will look it at e3.

[Lukejrl]

Cloud can not run a game better unless you have Internet. No Internet no cloud. So how will ms solve the problem of reaching parity for those without Internet?

Also more to the point: Cloud is b.s . The cloud can not think faster than an on-board CPU. While it may be able to do distance textures and some weather and lighting effects it cannot make character models in motion look good as there is too much latency. Also if Microsoft can do cloud Sony can just as easily.

[lifeisgamesok]

Xbox will win this gen with exclusive triple A games

[Eonjay]

Ps4 will win this generation with exclusive AAA games. Nope. Everyone has AAA exclusives. It takes more than a few games. It also includes price, third party support, and the general value people see in making the purchase.

[MysticStrummer]

XB1 could possibly win the US, just by a much smaller margin than last gen, but the world will buy PS4. Exclusive AAA games can go either way depending on taste, but PS4 will have the multi plat advantage on top of being cheaper, more powerful, and easier to work on for devs. That's not a good equation for MS.

[pyramidshead]

I can't help but feel you're basing this off PS not having exclusive triple A games...now or in the works. If you think it's a war on games then there's definitely going to be a battle, indeed. The power gap however appears to be 100% settled.

There's going to be uncomfortable wake up call for you this gen, especially if you didn't own a PS3. ;O.

[n4rc]

Lol... If I see "proof" written one more time in here I'm going to cry..

[medman]

Microsoft sure knows how to give gamers exactly what they don't want.

[TBONEJF]

Too me I think they only now care bout features then focusing on GPU/COULD.

[Muffins1223]

Well theirs that faimly market that nintedo failed to get with the wiiu,and with the tv and kinect crap they can easily take it.They want to appeal to everyone.Like my sister,who is not a gamer,bought a xbox one and her husband plays a little bit but not much.People like that are the people that Microsoft IS getting that Sony and Nintendo aren't. Now wither Sony staying faithful to gaming is going sell more than appealing to familys and kids is something we will find out in the years to come. I know any gamer that games frequently will pick ps4 over xbox one.

[kopicha]

@Eonjay,

Exactly, if they are really keen on promoting the new Kinect (Thou it's been done before with 360), they could have implemented it in a better way. For example like when Sony boosted about their Share button. It actually have a secondary chip that does every of those stuffs from downloading/uploading/encoding on the fly while not affecting your game play at all. So it is not taking away unnecessary resources that actually affect the game itself which is the primary reason that people buy the consoles for. Considering how MS boosted how the new Kinect is being build around the new Xbox that it is now a part of Xbox. While I can understand the issue back in 360 days due to the Kinect is being added later in the life cycle, but for Xbox One? That's a huge overlook on MS part imo

[jden28]

Well since the start of all this Microsoft has increased the speed of the GPU to add 7% probably to mitigate the 10% they had withheld...then they increase the speed of the CPU to add another 10%... then reveal they are sending an update to give back 8% of the gpu which had been withheld...If you add all that together that's a 25% increase in power since the specks were announced...and that's good, but the PS4 is estimated to be about 50% more powerful so even though the gap has been cut in half 25% more power is still a lot...so as a XBOX fan I'm not going to fight the graphics fight I expect they will both have great looking games and HOPEFULLY that extra 25% will make it a little better but I expect PS$ games to look a little better or run a little faster this generation...So I'll just look forward enjoying the games...

[otherZinc]

That insider isn't smart at all.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Yes confirmed all this time we really didn't need kinect . We should of got a equal or slightly less powerful console!

[Bathyj]

It will never be equal. Xbone is already weaker than Ps4 then the Kinect resource drain goes on top of that, both gpu and ram.

I hope navigating those menus are worth it cos that appears to be it's only function.

[aLucidMind]

That's not its only function, it is really good at annoying people trying to play those crappy Kinect games.

It's actually kind of a shame that the Kinect never got anywhere close to even a hint of its full potential.

[Iamnemesis4880]

To annoy people on xbox live have a gamer tag Xbox turn off some people fall for it.

[GribbleGrunger]

The difference was 40% before we found out about the 10% set aside for the OS. That's why it went up to 50%. The difference now (if devs decide to miss out OS features) is going to be 42%. If devs decide to leave in functions like Kinect, skype or snap, the difference will still be 50%.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Imo if this also counts for Snap MS is making a terrible decision and it will make me rethink my decision to buy this device.

I've seen the fact that Multi-plats run worse on the Xbox One and I would be able to deal with that due to Snap and the other possibilities the console provides. Once this is stripped away and the console is still less powerful, only the exclusives will be the deciding factor and currently those aren't good enough for me to pay an x-amount (not that the console has been released here yet).

Let's just wait and see what happens in the future for both devices ^^

[Majin-vegeta]

X1 will always be behind the PS4 just look at the specs.Anyone who says it won;t is only kidding themselves.

Can't wait till Sony's games start showing the good stuff.

[Eonjay]

I'm really excited to see what they do with GPU compute. I didn't get it until I say Resogun. Hundreds of thousands of objects with their own physics rendering at 60FPS with 0 slowdown. Can't wait to see who else they use the GPU.

[mcstorm]

I have to disagree with how you have put your words. 3rd party games will more than likely look better on the PS4 over the xbox one this time round but they are developed different to exclusives and imp Ryse is the best looking exclusive at this moment in time and none of the exclusives on consoles show off what they can do they just tend to show they can get lighting a lot better and hundred of moving objects on the screen at once.

I am betting Halo 5 and the next forza game will show off what the xbox one can do and ND will show off what the PS4 can do but that said they will not be miles apart as people on here are saying. Specs are one thing but having the most powerful hardware dose not = the best looking games.

Its all each to there own I hope everyone who has a xbox one, PS4 and WiiU is loving there new consoles as much as I am and here is to the next bunch of next gen games and the next 12 months of gaming looks good to me.

[MARKSMAN7136]

Ryse? Naw KZSF is the best looking next gen game to me, but the next Halo isn't a win or something to rely on, that said you can guarantee Sony brings out it's top guns like last gen. And I'm just wondering why would they continue Gears of War? Like what's there left to tell or fight? Unless they intend on doing prequels again. Just saying if the past speaks for itself then I can see the better looking games on PS4 and a more variety then FPS (not to say Halo or TF aren't great). Honestly I think the Order is Sony's answer to Gears of War and maybe we'll see a return of God of War, Jak & Daxter, Halo Wars, etc. overall E3 in June will show a lot that's for sure!

[mcstorm]

I did not think kz was that impressive esp with the dumb Ai. It looked nice but to me bf4 was the better looking game because of what happens in the game play but so far for my ryse is th best looking game on the market at the moment. Like I said its each to there own and all 3 will have great looking games.

We all have a console of choice and mine at the moment are wiiu, Xbox one and 3ds as these 3 offer me more of the game I wanted from the back end to the middle of this year. I will pick a ps4 up but not until late on this year or early next year if the games I want come out on it.

That said you have to give it to Microsoft at the moment as they are delivering a great line up of games from release to the end of this year which is more than what Sony have said so far. Yes the Sony games will come but as it stands for me the line-up is better on the Xbox one at the moment in time.

Like I've said before its good that Microsoft are doing this as it will also make Sony and Nintendo stand up and push out the big names too which for us being gamers is a massive plus.

[KonsoruMasuta]

I didn't need an industry insider to tell me that. It was obvious from the start.

[jessupj]

It's blatantly clear, but it seems there's quite a few stubborn people that just refuse to accept the fact.

We knew the specs well before purchase and that's why I choose a PS4, because I wanted the best console gaming experiences possible.

If these other stubborn people are so insecure about the power of the xbone I don't understand why they didn't just get a PS4 instead.

I find it absolutely amazing that people will purposely hurt themselves, and buy the less powerful console just so they can align themselves with a company that would destroy the entire gaming industry if it meant more money. The MS apologists truly is a fascinating creature.

[Insomnia_84]

Commin sense and logic.

[colonel179]

I agree about the Xbox being behind, but if Microsoft drops the price and/or offers a SKU without Kinect, then it could actually be a trivial margin. However, it will also depend on which games Sony and MS releases, and how much third party support each one gets. Which right now, PS4 is benefitting from better versions, but Microsoft has actual 3rd party exclusives (Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, etc).

[Sammy777]

even if MS drops the price , ps4 would still beat the xb1 by a big margin. Their system is much weaker than ps4. Why would you pay for an inferior system . In europe/asia i expect ps4 to totally crush the xb1 . In UK too its done but in US MS could still make some decent sales which will in no way close any margin

[u got owned]

I wonder if you owned a PS2

[Unspoken]

Here we go again...if you are going to throw price out of the equation, PC trumps all as it is the more powerful system and stomps all over the PS4.

Why would you pay for an inferior system?

[rainslacker]

PS2 was a different scenario. It had a pretty decent time on the market pretty much to itself as it originally competed with Sega's DC, so MS came late to the party when the PS2 had a sizable install base. The GC was around, but Sony was riding high off the PS1 era where it changed the face of gaming.

This time around, Sony has the PlayStation high going into the generation, a more powerful console, and a lot of goodwill with huge demand which means install base will continue to grow pretty quickly.

So, while the most powerful console doesn't always rule the generation, the facts remain that Sony is off to a strong start, and since multi-plat is a big thing nowadays, it makes more sense for people to buy the system that offers the best experience for those. Since there is no real technical reason making one system harder to develop for, it will just come down to raw specs.

The only real defining factor otherwise would be exclusives, but those are pretty subjective to tastes. MS would do well to invest in more really strong and diverse exclusives if they want to sell more systems. It's what Sony has done for a long time, which is why it typically became the dominate console despite usually having weaker hardware.

[urwifeminder]

Sweet love the underdog I am enjoying the xb1 all this power talk is a laugh when you get on a decent pc and max ARMA3 stunning stuff.

[Studio-YaMi]

There is a Typo in the article,the man is called Ahsan ,not Ashan.

I'm interested in seeing what will happen later on if Microsoft are really reducing their OS in order to leave room for more horse power.

[corvusmd]

Specs specs specs specs specs...whine whine whine....for "gamers" we sure talk a lot about paper specs on here that make little to no difference on the actual screen, then forget other important factors like network and innovations...oh and GAMES!!! Sure PS4 has a better GPU, which means in certain areas it will be more powerful...DONE...get over it! By NO MEANS does that mean that games on the XB1 look bad. They look and run great, and being that right now and for the forseable future they have the better GAME lineup...maybe give it a rest and play some damn games and remember this is supposed to be FUN...stop telling other people they are having fun wrong because of some stupid paper spec than really amounts to no more or less fun.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Better game line up?

Most of the game were trashed by critics and XboxOne has the two lowest rated games of the generation.

[LeCreuset]

They don't want to talk about specs, because you can't debate, or spin your way around, specs. They want to talk about game line ups, and best looking game (Greenberg), because that's always going to be subjective.

[00]

when your paying more for less I think considering the specs is valid, the xbox one cost more then the PS4 yet it is a weaker system.

[Eonjay]

Most games are one both platforms. So there is nothing wrong with knowing which platforms those games will look better on. To suggest that people should not factor this in to their purchasing decision is outrageous. Especially give the price difference.

[Sammy777]

better specs are needed to make better games. Play CD at 720p on Xbx1 and then play the PS4 version.

What would you like?
better gameplay or better gameplay with better graphics

The game lineups are better on PS4 too. Who cares about mediocre games like Dr3, forza and so on. But at the end of the day it all comes down to opinions. PS4 would have the better lineup just like ps3.

@below
the game sold millions worldwide and more on ps4 globally since it was the better version . Had xb1 version ran at 1080p , then i am sure it would have outsold the ps4 version

[jgrigs09]

Neither. The game is shit period.

[HammerKong]

what about knack and killzone SF are they mediocre too ,no thye are not neither forza and dr3 ,just have fun man with your console,no body care's what you cares sammy ,but it was a good try.

[Kribwalker]

Dead rising 3 is a fantastic game, I played the shit outa that one. Ryse was good as well, it was simmilar play style to god of war with a good story and insane graphics. I'm not much into simulation racing games so I can't say anything about forza, but the lineup of original IPs on the Xbox one trump the ps4. You have 2 original aaa IPs coming out this year. The rest are rehashed sequels with upgraded graphics.

[BitbyDeath]

PS4's lineup craps all over Xbone for this year-

PS4 has 19 exclusives scheduled while Xbone only has 8 so far.

Xbone -
Below
D4
Halo
Kinect Sport Rivals
Project Spark
Quantum Break
Sunset Overdrive
Titanfall

PS4-
Bound by Flame
Daylight
Deep Down
Diablo III
DriveClub
Final Fantasy XIV
Galak-Z
Hohokum
Hotline Miami 2
inFamous : Second Son
MLB 14 : The Show
Octodad
Outlast
Planetside 2
Shadow of the Beast
Starbound
The Order
The Witness
Transistor

List from - http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[MightyNoX]

@bitbydeath:

You forgot to add Lilly Bergamo

[Unspoken]

Microsoft claimed 15 exclusives with 8 new IPs. Diablo III is supposed to be coming to Xbox One, and I think most of those PS4 exclusives are arcade or indie games. Here is a better list for Xbox One, which is still missing quite a few games.

Cobalt
Fantasia: Music Evolved
Halo: Spartan Assault
LocoCycle
Max: The Curse of Brotherhood
Project Spark
Zoo Tycoon
Titanfall
Alien: Isolation
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Angry Birds Star Wars
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Carmageddon: Reincarnation
Child of Light
Cosmic Star Heroine
The Crew
Cyberpunk 2077
Destiny
Divekick
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Dying Light
EA Sports UFC
The Elder Scrolls Online
The Evil Within
Evolve
FIFA 14
Final Fantasy XV
The Golf Club
Guacamelee!: Super Turbo Champion Edition
Just Dance 2014
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Kingdom Hearts III
Legend of Raven
Lego The Hobbit
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
The Lego Movie Videogame
Lords of the Fallen
Mad Max
Madden NFL 25
Marc Ecko's Getting Up 2
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
Mighty No. 9
Minecraft: Xbox One Edition
Untitled Mirror's Edge sequel
NBA 2K14
NBA Live 14
Need for Speed: Rivals
Nuclear Throne
Project CARS
R.B.I. '14
Rayman Legends
Shantae: Half-Genie Hero
Skylanders: Swap Force
Sleeping Dogs: Triad Wars
Sniper Elite III
Star Wars: Battlefront
Strider
Tetris
Thief
Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6: Patriots
Tom Clancy's The Division
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
Trials Fusion
Valiant Hearts: The Great War
Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade
Watch Dogs
Whore of the Orient
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Wolfenstein: The New Order
Wonder Flick
Zumba Fitness: World Party
Game of Thrones
Get Even
Below
Peggle 2
Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare
Super Time Force
Crimson Dragon
D4
Dead Rising 3
Fable Legends
Fighter Within
Forza Motorsport 5
Untitled Halo game
Killer Instinct
Killer Instinct Classic
Kinect Sports Rivals
Powerstar Golf
Quantum Break
Ryse: Son of Rome
Sunset Overdrive
Xbox Fitness

[kenshiro100]

Unspoken, most of those games are multiplat.

[MysticStrummer]

"for the forseable future they have the better GAME lineup"

That's what's known in the business as an "opinion".

As for the launch lineups, PS4's was better reviewed overall.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Games?

A heckuvalotta people last gen - the ones who got fewer exclusives in the last few years - sure did play the "we get the best version of multiplats, and multiplats are all I care about" card quite a lot.

Has that card run out? Is it all about "teh exclusives" again?

I, for one, do think that exclusives matter. It's just interesting to see the goalposts move.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Ha, did I step through a a time warp? Now it's "teh PS4 haz no games"

Hey 2007 called, they want their FUD back. I remember when they said the PS3 had no games. History really does repeat itself when you're too stupid to learn from it.

[Trekster_Gamer]

PS fanboys are pathetic trolls. The xb1 has the best next gen features and so far the best games and a better lineup of new games coming. The truth boils there blood so the Sonybots have to spew their lies and hatred here. N4G just fans the flames to increase their hits.

Xbox One a true step up, not a ps3.5!!!

[Eonjay]

The line ups are mostly the same with a handful of exclusive titles on each. Tbe vast majority of games that people will purchase will be on both. The PS4 version will look better. Choosing a PS4 means you miss Xbox exclusives. It you choose Xbox you miss out on PS4 exclusives and the best version of EVERY multiplat.

[MysticStrummer]

"The xb1 has the best next gen features" - Opinion

"so far the best games" - Not according to reviews, and PS4's look better.

"a better lineup of new games coming." - Opinon

"The truth boils there blood" - It's "their" and opinions aren't the truth.

"Xbox One a true step up" - The camera is, but nothing else.

[LeCreuset]

Buddy, your system has had to do 180 after 180 and is moving toward doing away with the one feature that makes it anything other than a slightly improved 360, so I would watch it with the 3.5 talk.

[jessupj]

Your tears are soo delicious.

Ironically it seems the truth is boiling your blood right now. You act superior, but It's very easy to see the anger and insecurity in your post.

If you're so concerned about games, why not get a PS4 as well? That way you won't miss out on the works from the best developers in the world and you won't be left with inferior multiplat games for the entire generation.

If you need money to buy a PS4 you could always sell your xbone. If you have a PC you won't be missing out on much either.

[skoorydook]

Can imagine you furiously sucking on a dummy tit while typing that

[Unlimax]

Once again .. Can somebody please tell me since when PS4 becomes "3.5" according to these people ?

Powerful + Cheaper = 3.5 !?

You can't be serious~ ಠ_ಠ

[GW212]

How is the XB1 a true step up when it can't output next-gen graphics. I don't even want to hear about Ryse. It is sub-true HD and couldn't even hold 30fps. Having played it, I can tell you that it doesn't hold up to the graphical fidelity of Killzone.

"PS4 a true step up, not an Xbox720p."

[pyramidshead]

MS fanboys are pathetic trolls. They type out a load of fanboy nonsense and address their hatred for fanboys with a wall of subjective opinionated drivvle just to save face of that their console can't handle last generation ports and produces mediocre multiplats with a bigger gap than PS360.

[pyramidshead]

It's kinda sad that MS has put die hard fans in this sort of position that they have to make comments like this.

MS has most definitely dropped the ball with the bone.

[UncleGermrod]

This, while no confirmed source, seems very reasonable. I came to terms with this a long time ago...then again I have both consoles and am not as biased.

Prob my main dilemma over this stuff was suggesting to my friends and family which console to go with this gen, as they will only get 1. But then I realized that for them, this stuff will never matter. They have been xbox gamers for some time, and should be more than happy with xb1. So I will always play multiplayer games with them on xb1, but I will deff wanna take advantage of the ps4 superior specs when I can.

It just seems to me like at this point we just keep getting fed the same info, just in different forms and from different sources. Of course it is still news to hear that MS is actually trying to respond to their mistakes, but I just think it is funny how rather than get on the web and hear news about games and such, we just get the same story about resolution disparity and hardware differences that have already been confirmed a hundred times over.

I hope that eventually things will settle in and people will just know which system has which games, and the fact that xb1 is a little less powerful will just be left alone.

I mean granted the ps2 had the best games catalog, the system's drastically inferior specs compared to original xbox did not hinder it...those who wanted sony's exclusives were Ok with knowing that multiplats would generally look worse on their console of choice. The fact remained that they still got to play the same games. Xbox one has a great online service, and seems to be offering up a greater amount of exclusives than past MS consoles...so why not just let each person enjoy what they want and leave it alone.

Again, it's not that I do not understand why this stuff is talked about on hardcore gaming sites, or that I think it shouldn't affect your buying decision, it is just that at this point, people want what they want, and all this talk about specs is meaningless to those who make their choices based on what games they want to play, and how they choose to play them...for the rest of us, we already know what's up and so we are basically beating a dead horse.

[Eonjay]

I have a feeling that the discussion will return to games as more are released and as we get closer to E3. I have a feeling there will be many game related bombs dropped on the conference floor.

[UncleGermrod]

I hope you are right. Us hardcore gamers know the truth, and everyone else prob doesn't care. Games are what I wanna read about.

[LeCreuset]

What you fail to acknowledge is that MS officials like Greenberg are leading the denials of many of your fellow Xbox gamers who keep insisting that the differences either don't exist or aren't meaningful. You talk as if the football is being spiked after scoring the touchdown, but the problem is that MS and its loyalists keep challenging the play, refusing to acknowledge that the touchdown happened in the first place.

[beerzombie]

most people who will buy one these consoles will never be on this site. These articles are preaching to people who have either already bought one system or will buy one the systems. I never heard anyone complain about the Xbox one who owns it or even that graphic's suck it.
IN fact they all love the Xbox one especially the Kinect. I also never heard anyone complain about the ps4.absolutly know one out side of this site or sites online ever bring this kind of stuff up.

[DEEBO]

I have both and to be honest kinect voice commands are tedious&broken.
With dead rising 3 it work great but when it's time to use it with the OS then the problems come in.
I say xbox on so many times before it works.i say fast or slow but it still doesn't work all the time.it's cool that it can turn on my t.v and direct t.v but that's if it works.
I try doing the settings for voice commands and it still doesn't help MS needs to do an update for better voice commands cause as of right now my ps4 does them better.
MS has more voice commands but they work like crap,sony has less voice commands but they perform better then the xbox one.

One day i think i will do a ustream on the ps4 for gamers just to show them the truth.
the way that guy was using kinect when MS show the x1 in may is farcry for is taking place in my game room.
It is getting to the point that my kids and wife make fun of me having to repeat myself over and over to get the system to work.
they mock me then they LOL.

[Lukejrl]

Even if the specs don't matter, why would you suggest to your family to spend an extra 100, spend more for Gold than for plus, and maybe get crappy free games with gold while Psplus gets games like outlast for ps4 not even 4 months after the console comes out?

Trust me I want to play quantum break and halo 5 but not to the tune of supporting a company that tried to rape me.

[beerzombie]

You have not been raped because you chose to purchase a product. 500$ really is not that much and you will not play those games with out "one".

PS PLUS will DEVALUE games on Sony's Ps4 and possibly hurt gaming in the long run. You cant keep giving it away and think people will pay top dollar for a product.

[gamingisnotacrime]

no kinect
$399 X1

no excuses all out royal rumble in the fight for the gamers moeny

I am loving this (and my PS4 :)

[DOOMZ]

It will get fixed, wait & see!

[GW212]

You can't fix hardware. Sorry.

[SwiftArsonist]

People keep forgetting that MS is a software company. They can release periodical updates boosting its performance little by little and at the same time updating their dev kits and esram, upscaler tech. they did it with the 360 (ps3 is more powerful).

Games are what wins generations. Its only been just little over 2 months since launch and already you guys saying Sony won? People please, give this generation time to grow a bit.

[DeadMansHand]

A good way to predict the future is look at the past. Sony really brought the big guns in regards to exclusives last gen and that before this massive surge in "give the players what they want" campaign. Already, plus has been dropping bombs like Bioshock and metro and we are barely Into the new year. I fully expect suckerpunch, Media molecule, ssm, Naughty Dog to carpet bomb gamers in the next few years with stellar MULTI - GENRE games. Let alone, multiplats running better on the Sony hardware.

Variety. Not just fps and racing. Sony has so many great studios who make all sorts of different games. PLUS is a beast in its own right. Multiplats are coming in at 1080p and 60fps. Play now is coming out in 4 months and then we can all play our favorite games anytime, anywhere. It's a total hodgepodge of what gamers want. Variety. This is why they will seriously set the bar this gen. And we havnt even discussed 4k playback for movies. Egads.

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

@DeadMansHand
You nailed it there ^^^

[Majin-vegeta]

As soon as Sonys other DEVS start dropping their games.PS fans bank accounts and wifes wont be happy on a level over 9000!!!!!!

I agree with everything you said.

[rainslacker]

While you're right that the system will become more efficient with updates, the truth is is that there is a wall that will be hit because of the hardware. Sony will also offer updates and streamlined dev tools which will boost it's performance over time. Both companies did so this gen, and the one before that. This means that neither is sitting still, so as one improves, so does the other. Just because MS is a software company doesn't mean that they can work miracles with API's which will magically boost the power to match or surpass the PS4.

Games do win generations. The PS1 and PS2 were not as powerful as their competitors at the time, but it had stellar games to push the install base, which is why they dominated. Sony delivered more exclusives this gen with the PS3 than the prior gens though, so with that in mind, and the fact that PS will always get a lot of Japanese support that will never see the light of day on Xbox, and the fact that devs seem to love working on the PS4, and the fact that games run better on the PS4, it doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to say that Sony "won".

I do agree it's premature to claim such a thing, but Sony has a lot going for it just based on history.

[76erz24]

As a Xbox One owner who has also had extensive access to my brother's Ps4 I can say the difference is currently slim. Whether it will get better or worse remains to be seen. Obviously I'd rather have the Xbox One at least on par with the Ps4, but it defiantly isn't a deal breaker. Even when I buy a Ps4 (probably in the summer) I'll still most likely get my multiplats on Xbox one because I prefer the OS, controller, and Live. I personally find that more important then resolution.

[DeadMansHand]

I respect your decision but what's come out so far are launch titles. I think to fully see what the hardware can do is to have this conversation in a year. If you look at resistance and compare it to what was achieved in the last of us the upgrade is stunning. ACBF is a multiplat game that looks great. Imagine the last of us 3 in 3 years? LBP transformed platforming with its level creator and MP aspects. Imagine what MM will do in 2014. I would have no problem buying a xbone if they drop kinect. I don't expect a great array of gamer goodies but I have the disposable income and love games so would drop 400 to play a couple exclusives that Ms comes out with. That said, Sony has just begun. Play now, 4k movies coming, 1st party studios utilizing every watt of power makes ps4 the top dog. It's not just about resolution, sure. It's not even just about framerate. It's about the complete package. Back catalogs played on my vita or tablet. 4k movies. Great games. Better multiplats. Pluses ridiculous deals and free games. It's the sheer am out of gaming focus that Sony wins me over with.

[beerzombie]

I think that's were the "One" shines the interface is very good and most game will be even or real close as it will not matter to anyone who owns it.
Plus I see most Sony -ponies as being just a bunch of jerks who I would not want to l\play game with or against.

[Lukejrl]

I think most people who talk like clowns probably wouldn't be enjoyable company for any situation so I am with you there.

[T-Dawg6]

I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. Games please

[Gamer666]

So some random sourceless guy on NeoGaf messages this guy a comment after he does a post on CoD and it becomes a news story on this site....

F---ing awesome...

[tiremfej]

This site is completely bought and paid for by Sony. There is no other explanation for it. Horrible bias going on around here. Yet in DF pictures even though PS4 has a supposed higher resolution textures are muddy and fog is rampant...but my vision is 20/20...so I could be wrong.

[Lukejrl]

20/20 doesn't always make people see the obvious.

[kenshiro100]

Bought out by Sony?

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...
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Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

[KingDadXVI]

I am not sure why everyone is being so negative about this. If you are a Sony fan then why do you even give a shit? For Xbox One owners this is great news if true and it should not be a surprise to anyone.

MS stated well before the launch that the 10% reserve was going to be changed once they had time to optimize the system. The initially made the reserve 10% because they were not sure what they were going to need and that it would drop. It will also have zero affect on Kinect functions.

From NowGamer:

http://www.nowgamer.com/new...

"The current reservation provides strong isolation between the title and the system and simplifies game development - strong isolation means that the system workloads, which are variable, won't perturb the performance of the game rendering," explained Goossen.

"However, Microsoft plans to make changes that will open up more power for Xbox One developers."

"In the future, we plan to open up more options to developers to access this GPU reservation time while maintaining full system functionality," said Goossen.

So surprise, surprise that industry insiders Thuway and FamousMortimer are able to predict something that MS said was going to happen last October.

I get that some people prefer the PS4 and that is great. I will be getting one next Christmas once there are some games out that I want. All this trolling seems to indicate to me that there is a lot of either jealousy or fear of the Xbox being successful. Does that mean that you are not sure you made the right choice? I mean seriously, if you are absolutely comfortable with your choice then why aren't you cruising the PS4 section and checking up on the news for your console of choice?

What's that? Curiosity you say? OK, well I guess I am curious about the PS4 too and check over there every once in a while but I am quite happy with the console I chose to purchase first and never troll the Sony articles.

So either people are just upset that their choice is not living up to their expectations or they are just miserable people who can only feel joy when they are trying to bully others and make them miserable.

Just be happy with your choice and let others do the same.

[omegaheat]

Wow, dude that was one of the most positive comments to grace this poor excuse of a site for a while. You made a very valid point without bashing any one console. Perhaps one day I'll go over to the Playstation section to see for myself just what gamers are saying over there. I really don't see the point of the console information being divided because at least 90% of the comments in the X1 articles are from Playstation fans. That's an issue that nobody seems to bring up. I wonder why. This site is here to make money, so if bad news and rumors draw in the crowds we shouldn't hold our breath that things will change. I'm personally looking for another gaming site with better articles. I've never seen so much negativity this early in the generation. Crazy.

[KingDadXVI]

Oh, I agree that things won't change here and that it is all about drawing people to the site.

I guess that it is just disappointing that so many people get their rocks off bashing something that they don't like or are unwilling to admit that they are so insecure with their console choice that the only way they can feel validated is to try to put down anything about the console that they did not chose.

Its not that hard really. I will admit that I chose an Xbox One and I am happy that I did. There are great games coming out for it which is why I chose it. I will also admit that I am somewhat disappointed that MS did not put a bit more power into the GPU or use GDDR5 ram. I don't regret the Kinect as it works great and I think that we will see more from it yet (not full motion games but uses in games). That doesn't mean I hop over to the PS4 page and shit on everything I read there. Why would I?

But I am also pragmatic and understand that these consoles are designed to make money. Certain decisions have to be made on guess work and based on defined budgets driven by a return on investment.

The Xbox One plays great looking and more important fun games which is what matters in the end. The PS4 will have great fun games too.

You will notice that no one replied to my repeated question asking whether they were bitter or just miserable;)

[gamernova]

Xbox will be fine so long as sheep live. People have this brand loyalty thing and I understand it. They are more loyal to a console than they are to their family lol

[Mikefizzled]

Am I sheep then since I bought my One off of the announcements of games like Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive and D4? Or am I just someone who plays games?

[beerzombie]

Not a sheep an individual who makes choices based on what he/she like not what some random people say on a web site you don't even know.

[XtraTrstrL]

Dunno how much of a prophecy it is when that's been the general consensus for nearly a year now. Yeah, and it's good that they are freeing up more resources for devs, it'll help PS4 for those annoying devs that still want to make Microsoft consoles the target platform they base their engine code on, then crudely port over to PS4. They will use more of the PS4's power by being able to turn more features on on the Xbone version that they wouldn't be willing to redo any code for or turn on solely for PS4.

Hopefully this gen there's less of that in general though and devs are more willing to do the best they can for each platform with there being less complexity in learning each platforms' SDKs this time around.

[christocolus]

Its obvious Ms made some poor choices while designing the consle but it doesnt stop devs from creating amazing stuff on it and while i applaud sony for a job well done,i feel thuway and the likes are blowing this whole issue out of proportion...the games(exclusives) are the reasons gamers buy consoles. Sequels to Halo,forza ,gow,fable,Tlou,uc,gt will always move console irrespective of the fps or res they may run at. I would buy halo5 or a new banjoe game even if it ran at 720p and same with a sequel to tlou.

If devs want the 8% then its wise for ms to let them have it especially if it will enable them make better games and while i am totally in support of the kinect i feel it should be bundled seperately to give ms a price advantage. If rumors are true the kinects removal could reduce the consoles price by as much as $130. Ms could then introduce 2 bundles and give customers more choice.i know many xbx fans will not agree with me on this but believe me it would definitly push sales further.

[rainslacker]

I think it's important for MS to find the right balance between UI resources and gaming resources. As much as I would like a console to have 100% of it's power dedicated to games like the good ol' days, the truth is that nowadays a console that only plays games probably wouldn't sell very well. This push for game consoles to do everything is the same trend as tablets/smartphones that can do everything, and it's rather annoying at times. I do like the convenience in most cases, but could live without if it meant better games.

Anyhow, over time resources will be shifted around. It's probably a good thing that some was held in reserve as new things become requested. That hit Sony last gen with things like cross-game chat not being available due to memory constraints, so a little room to breathe is never a bad thing.

I think it's sometimes easy to forget that the systems are only two months old, and many people expect everything to just be perfect from the outset. I'm still looking forward to the games, and I know that for the time being, all devs work with what they have. MS has a chance to change how devs develop on the system, and change the available power some just to help entice new buyers, and that is never a bad thing.

[christocolus]

I couldnt agree more.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Especially with this

[AKissFromDaddy]

Too funny that I hurt my neck.

[GTgamer]

Lmao you killed me and my brother

[omegaheat]

I guess you guys shouldn't attend any comedy shows anytime soon then.

[jaixvx]

Xbone...it will only burn your house down....in 720p.

[Xyconaut]

MS will hide the use of the additional increase in hardware performance behind a paywall,just like Netflix,it'll also require a new subscription called xbox "platinum",similar to gold but it kicks you in the crotch 8% harder! ms are too awesome huh? #neXBOXgen

[AKissFromDaddy]

I'm just reading comments, trying to understand the commentators, yet its the funny ones that draw my attention. Xbox "platinum" is too funny.

[tehpees3]

I don't see how it is premature. That sounds more like damage control by the author. Anything MS do to increase the hardware performance, Sony could do something on their side. It is obvious PS4 is the more technically capable console. Its great that Sony have learned their lesson.

[SynestheticRoar]

They should had gave that guy a check, not to drop quarters. LOL.

[MasterCornholio]

There was a site that took pictures of the APUs and I was surprised with how much space the ESRAM took up. If Microsoft went with GDDR5 then they wouldnt need the ESRAM which free up more space for GPU cores. However since they wanted to include Kinect in the package at 499$ they decided to go with the cheaper DDR3 ram which was a mistake in my opinion.

[DanielGearSolid]

I think MS thought they could release the weaker console and bully developers into parity again...

The success of the Ps4 turned all of that upside down

[Chris12]

Thuway is the most self important , twitter fame hungry nob end there is. When he's not trashing Xbox he's happy to tell people about all the lives he's saving. Respect to all people that work in emergency services but not many of them constantly tell people how great they are.

Listen, we all know the PS4 is more powerful than the XB1. We all know PS4 will push higher resolutions and frame rate this generation.

The only people shouting 'resolution -gate' !!!!!! at every opportunity are the anti-xbox brigade.

When I bought my Xbox I knew the PS4 was more powerful, but I prefer the exclusives. When the exclusives get better for PS4 then I'll buy one of those too.

Unfortunately the Sony support seems to think people have bought their Xbox's with their head in the sand. It's just not true, but for every new multiplat we'll have more 'resolution gate ' articles just so people who don't own an Xbox can slag it some more.

Enjoy the system you bought, they are a damn sight more powerful than last gen, which is the point most people seem to miss.

[MasterCornholio]

"The only people shouting 'resolution -gate' !!!!!! at every opportunity are the anti-xbox brigade. "

And the uninformed who believed that the most expensive console would be the most powerful. A friend of mine made that mistake. But regardless there's nothing wrong with buying a weaker system as long as it has the games that you want to play.

[Father__Merrin]

Microsoft has touted kinect to be integral part of Xbox1 if they drop it this will be the biggest sham ever in gaming

from the beginning kinect was advertised as a game changer, "the way you interact with your entertainment" lmao what a load of crap!!!!!!!

why don't Xbox fans just snap out of it and cross over, this is becoming unbearable for them

they fanboy themselves to protect every Xbox policy, then that said policy gets dropped!!!!!

[LexHazard79]

A Kinectless sku @ $350 would help, they have the games and some neat features that I myself cant wait to try out! But ill probably wait it out and see what happens. Im buying a PS4 soon tho, if I can find one..I want to play Infamous and KZ bad.

[Clarence]

If you don't know now you know.

[Demoa]

if its beating the wii u and close to ps4 sails how is that behind

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

"if its beating the wii u and close to ps4 sails how is that behind(?)".

lolz wat???

wii u 4.3 mil > xbox1 3.9 mil
ps4 4.2 mil > xbox1 3.9 mil

"...and close to ps4 SALES(fixed) how is that behind(?)". last time i checked, that's still behind lolz

[Demoa]

xbox sold that much in 3 monthes. it took a year and more for only 4 million wii u to be sold/

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

no. it didn't. it sold 3.9 million while the wii u sold 4.3 up to date. ms confirmed 3.9 so i idk wtf you're talking about lolz as of right now, it's in last place. last time i checked 3.9 =/= 4.3. you need to go back to grade school lolz

[Demoa]

women should stop trying to be smart when their not. Point is Ps4 and Xbox are surpassing wii U sells even know they've only been out for three monthes and the wii u over a year.

[EXID]

You just went full retard.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

"women should stop trying to be smart when their not." lmao you play the gender card as if it's vaild~ and btw, it's "they're", not "their". this girl is much smarter than you and you should learn your place lolz

the point is, you said it wasn't behind. it is. the wiiu is outselling it and ps4 is outselling it. it doesn't matter if it sold 4 million in an hour. it's still in last place. do you wanna keep making yourself look stupid? lolz please continue.

[mmj]

This has been blatently obvious to anyone who has compared the GPU specs for months, even if both consoles had close to zero overheads it would still be a slaughter.

[purp13m0nk3y]

MS will never release a Kinectless Xbox1. They have invested way too much into it's development and it's far too integrated into the system. It would be a backward step anyway. At the moment, ironically, Kinect is one of the few things the Xbox1 has going for it.

What they need to do is focus on expanding the Kinect experience to make it "worth" the asking price. The Xbox1 hardware will always be weaker than PS4. It's pointless to try and change that. They should instead focus on killer 1st party games that push the Xbox1 hardware to it's limits (ryse proves that the Xbox1 is a capable system) In multi plats the Xbox1 is always going to have poorer graphics than the PS4. So MS need to focus on some good exclusives so there will not be a "better" version on the rival console.

And for f'ks sake, do SOMETHING with Kinect! On paper it's awesome tech. It just has ZERO software to demonstrate it's potential.

My Xbox1 sits collecting dust. I'm just waiting on you MS to provide me with some killer software to run on it.

[mo241]

both sony and microsoft should have included the camera in the sencond generations (the slim version) especially microsoft, becuase they can't make their hardware stronger anyway, so by then they can put extra power in the machine just for their camera' and make it mandatory. ( for the same price or more) cause the overall system cost less to make.

[NeloAnjelo]

What's the cost of 720P and 30fps? $100 bucks more!

Poor decision to make Kinect such an integral part of the OS. It takes too much away from the system. One which was already lower in power, and with slower RAM.

[GadgetGooch]

The PS3 was pretty much behind all last generation too....both consoles are mint..jus leave it with these articles they getting boring now...

[TristanPR77]

The xbone has been behind since E3 and it has maintained that position. Every poll made put the PS4 in front and PS4 is also in front with hardware power, price, steaming features, social features and sales wordwide breaking a lot of records.

This doesn't mean the xbone will fail it is just that it will be behind.

Remember when xbone gave a little 10% to the CPU? People thought that was going to magically change xbone hardware and make it superior. You know it didn't.

Now with this 8% additional GPU people get their hopes again and believe is a magically power that will change the hardware and make it on par with the PS4. That's delusional.

The xbone is not and will not be the leading console this generation. As soon as you make peace with it you can enjoy more tour console.

[Mister_Dawg]

As in the Tesco adverts, 'Every little helps'.

While you're on about the lead platforms, ps4 will not be the lead platform either. You do know the majority of devs use stupidly powerful pc's to create their wares? Don't you?

Development kits from MS and Sony come into play later in the game's progression. Just saying ;-)

[TristanPR77]

I'm talking about CONSOLES, not PC. Know the difference.

[Smootherkuzz]

Old news give it break already I think people got it buy now!!!

[kenshiro100]

If you bought an XB1, then fine, enjoy your console. But no one can deny that Microsoft screwed up by making their console expensive, only to be weaker than the PS4.

[PsylentKiller]

People are getting all bent out of shape because the XB1 is more expensive than the PS4 and it's ridiculous. Both consoles are expensive but it depends on how you look at it.

If you have your XB1 for 5 years, it will have cost you &9 per month. A PS4 for the same amount of time would cost you $7.25 per month. A difference of $1.75 per month or $25 per year. It's really not all that much of a difference.

The games are really what matters though, so you can look at it this way.

The XB1 cost $500. If you buy 1 game, it will have cost you $560 to play one game. For as long as you like, mind you. Every game after that can be divided equally. Two games would have a surcharge of $250 each. Ten games, $50 surcharge. Fifty games, you'd have paid a $10 surcharge making the game cost a total of $70 plus tax.
The same can be done for the PS4 but it would take 40 games to reach the $10 surcharge.

PC gamers have been justifying their purchase of a gaming PC this way for years. They say that the cost of games is way lower than console games and so the cost of the PC is saved in the purchase of games.

Now, I have both systems so it cost me $16.25 per month for the next five years, less if I have them longer. I have PS+ and Live so that's about $4 and $5 a month respectively. So, $25.25 per month over 5 years is not bad. Of course I have to factor in games but if I buy 1 game it costs me $1 a month over 5 years for a $60 game. I bought Ryse, Peggle 2, KI, BF4, Ghosts, DR3, Forza, AC4, Don't Starve, Trine 2, Killzone, DCUO, Flower, Blacklight, Warframe, Contrast, Resogun, Tomb Raider. That's 18 games but some cost less than $60 and some were free so I'm paying $34.25 per month for my gaming hobby.
Or, since I paid about $900 between both systems, I have paid per game so far a $50 surcharge or $110 total. I like to look at it this way. What am I paying to play all these games? Every game I buy lowers the surcharge and free games work towards this method.
Now if you want to watch Netflix, Hulu, Amazon video, or whatever then that can factor in as well. Just divide the total number of apps and games by $500, $400, or $900 for both and you will see how much it is costing you per game or app. On PS4 there is Live from Playstation so you can count Ustream, Twitch, as apps as well.

So, the difference in price versus value or quality is really not that big of a deal because it really just comes down to the games that you want to play.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

paying an amount up front for something isn't a valid argument AT ALL. can i get everyone i ever wanted if i pay it back 25 cents everyday? NO. that's not how people manage their expenses in the REAL WORLD. an extra 100$ up front is a lot of money no matter how to calculate the final costs.

everything seems to cost less if you stretch it out over a long time period. that's how loans end up f*cking people over. it's not a valid argument.

[PsylentKiller]

In the realm of video games, it is a valid argument if you divide the cost of the console into the games you purchase. Maybe the per month argument isn't so great. But nearly everyone is buying a PS4 or XB1 to play games, so factoring in the console price into each game is valid because without the console you can't play the games.
Also, I live in the real world and I pay real world taxes. When i bought my first car outright for $10,000 I planned on keeping it for at least five years. I broke it down to $2,000 a year or about $180 per month to own the car. It's how I look at purchasing big ticket items. How much value am I getting out of this?
For my car, paying $180 per month to go wherever I want was a great deal.
For my, XB1 and PS4, paying about $900 to have the opportunity to play any game (for those systems) is perfect for me. I buy about 20 games a year, some new, some at discounted prices, some used. That's not including games received as gifts or free downloadable games. I usually buy Live and PS+ at a discount but over 5 years I'll probably spend $400 between the two. So, $1300 for my two systems and around 100 games over 5 years I'll have paid $13 on top of every game I get.
I find that a great way of looking at how I pay for my hobby. If you don't like it, we'll, that's good for you. But I'm sure some people never looked at it that way before and they may feel like its a good way of looking at it.

[EXID]

the ONLY valid argument that you have/had was that you get to choose which console that you wanna buy. i think it's common sense that you buy the console that has the games/services that suit you best, but trying to play it off like 100$ isn't that much is just stupid.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

yes, because i live in mr. roger's neighborhood in the magical land of make-belive. smh. but you know what? even in the magical land of make-believe, 100$ is still a lot of money.

and i'm pretty damn sure you didn't pay 10k for your car up-front. you're giving examples that don't even relate to how the actual money is being spent.

[PsylentKiller]

I did pay $10,000 up front. But I feel like this conversation went the wrong way. I was just trying to help give a different vantage point to people who feel a little buyers remorse for their XB1. Your right, $100 is a lot but in the long run it just about evens out.
I bought both systems at launch and bought more games for the XB1 mainly because I have two Xbox ones and only one PS4. Digital purchases essentially give you two copies. But I have no remorse for buying the XB1.
Maybe I came off as justifying Microsoft but I was really just trying to ease the minds of those who may be feeling a bit skeptical about their XB1.

[heisenberguk]

Each to their own I suppose

[Mister_Dawg]

Industry outsider (me) to all the industry insiders, don't bore me with stuff like ps4 is more powerful than xb1. I know that. We all know that.

Instead, use your position to find out about the games for each system and how each will play. Even better, find out about the exclusive games. The games which will set each console apart and show their strengths.

[DevilishSix]

Wouldn't surprise me once they blow up the X1 reveal. They have been behind ever since. People/gamers don't forget that stuff and it takes a long time to win back trust, just ask Sony last gen with their $599 price tag and their get a second job remarks, it took them all gen to catch up and pass the 360.

[Rational]

I have tons of respect for M$ because of the fans they have assembled throughout the years. It really must be exhausting defending,white-knighting,dama ge-controlling everything that company does even when they know they are wrong they will fight to the death for its honor. When multiplats looked better on the 360 every M$ fanboy felt the need to rub it in the face of any PS3 owner, now that the tables have turned we hear them use the rodney king approach " can't we all just get along" the X1 is just weaker M$ and its die hard fans need to learn to move on and just "DEAL WITH IT".

[lawgone]

I am just shocked to see a story like this front and center on N4G along with so many comments! But seriously, do you guys have nothing else to do?

[dcbronco]

If Nintendo does release a new console in a couple of years both MS and Sony will behind.

[madjedi]

How exactly, the wii u is almost dead both the xbox one and ps4 will in relatively short timeframe pass it in ltd sales.

Even if nintendo releases a more powerful system, it has no games, no install base and are borderline irrelevant to the general ms and sony audience.

They tried releasing a $350 dollar system and the response wasn't positive, their next system can't be above 250 for a secondary console.

That says to me on par with current gen not above.

[dcbronco]

If Nintendo releases a new system with twice the power developers will use it. Developers love power and they don't care who gives it to them. And just because they released budget systems in the past doesn't mean they'll make the same mistake. It is the reason they are in their current situation. It's all based on whether or not they've learned their lesson. If they have, they will release a system with more power at a higher price point and it could launch at a higher price point.

People act as if they can't do the same thing as MS and Sony. They can pay for advertising too. That and superior power will bring them support.

[madjedi]

Yeah they can, but the question is will nintendo change their philosophy enough to make 3rd parties want to try to release games on the system.

Ms and sony bend over backwards to get dev feedback, update tool chains ect, encourage genre growth by having 1st party games in the same genre that 3rd parties release.

They can have a more powerful system designed no doubt, but given their asset lvl would they even need to.

People buy certain consoles for that brands exclusives, i don't see nintendo getting much traction at a above 250 price, especially since most of the gaming crowd is split between ms, sony and pc.

[DoubleM70]

Who gives a fuck as long as the make good quality games. We all know the PS4 is more powerful now. Just brings out the games and let's play.

[Tzuno]

that stupid kinect costs has made MS to Invest in cheaper hardware to balance the costs of the final package that includes kinect+console. Kinect should be like a accessory and should be optional. Why in the world they have chosen AMD for cpu when a true quad core from intel would have been better. i am sure that they could have gone with a i5 even if it cost a little more than amd but when you do business that includes the acquisition of millions of the same product you have big discounts from the manufacturer. The hell is wrong with them, i swear smart people fail at small and elementary things.

[Ps4marksthespotnotX]

This is the result of ms being arrogant and not listening to there fans. Although they back tracked on the not being able to play pre-owned games i think the damage has stuck like glue.

Plus who the hell really wants to play games on kinect, it's nothing more than a novelty that should have been sold on it's own not shoved down people throats, the only people who will defend this will be hardcore ms fan boys. Do you really want to play gears and halo waving your arms no thanks, perhaps you can just tell master chief what to do and that can limit the game even further with xbox voice command.

MS we know best, haha yea right!

[bligmerk]

So many n00bs. The difference with the PS3 is that it was the more powerful hardware compared to the 360. It was just much harder to utilize the power, so it took a few years longer to get to games like TLOU and Beyond. This is a lot different from the situation with the XBO that was obsolete before manufacturing even started. The XBO GPU is a last generation GPU. No matter how much fiddling is done with drivers, and squeezing more memory resources, there is not way to make an AMD 7800 become an AMD 7990. Not only that, it turned out the PS4 was the one with a companion processor, not the XBO. While the PS4 companion processor is not available for games, it takes a lot of overhead off the CPU and provides hardware accelerated GPU functions. To top it off, the PS4 architecture is designed to become more powerful with improved software development while the XBO architecture is almost exactly a low-end gaming PC, so there is nothing to make it any better than what any other low-end gaming PC can do, try to overclock the CPU and upgrade the graphics card. Not really feasible with a console. As more and more XBO versions of games are unable to achieve 1080p and 30fps, while the PS4 approaches 1080p and 60fps as standard, the XBO is going to look worse and worse, with or without Kinect2. This initial support for the XBO is just raving Xbox fanbois, the worst thing that has happened to video gaming than Atari 2600 ET.

[n1kki6]

So what happens to the resources if xbox releases an XB1 without kinect. Even if it free'd up resources dev would not be able to use them since some people may have the kinect plugged in. Unless they want to downscale the game if kinect is plugged in.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

hahaha whatever.. My insider told me Thuway got herpes from Aaron Greenburg and he's been bitter ever since.

You miss out on XB1 it is your loss.

[AnotherGamer117]

Always tired of the PC Master race in these threads claiming they can spend less than the cost of a PS4 or a Xbox One.

Please build me a PC that costs 399 and includes OS (because I don't have a PC for gaming. I only have laptops). Post this amazing build here or please just be quiet. It would have to include a mouse/keyboard - cause once again, no PCs only laptops.

[cruzngta]

MS couldnt harness the powah of dem cloudz because a ridiculously powerful tornado called the PS4 came along and blew them out of the sky! PS4 as everyone knows by now is more powerful overall and as such is showing in many of the games out. MS needs to worry about making good games and freeing up 8% for GPU will help a bit. It will NEVER match PS4 on power but the games are what makes or breaks a consoles lifespan so let's see what MS can do. The Cloud server farm with Azure looks like it cannot do much to help with all of the resolution and frame rate problems they have had so I guess that was all BS for making one box four times more powerful by 'tapping into dah Cloud for infinite powah'. Glad I have my PS4 but I do wish MS and it's loyal supporters well because everyone deserves to buy what they like and at least be happy with it.

[Iamnemesis4880]

Xbox one will not be behind all the gen ms will release a new version console most likely in the next year or so that will be on the same par with the power of the ps4. Most likly called you guessed it the Xbox one slim more power less weight
You will all-so see moders will do a lot to the console and maybe a website dedicated to getting a custom X1 console would be nice tell them the specs you want upgraded, the look of the console ECT ECT

[zerog]

Man most of these commenters are crazy. Look the power difference between consoles is significant if everyone would get off their high horse self justifications and just look at the cold hard facts that if right now there's so much difference in multiplats alone that devs will get better at programming BOTH consoles and that at the very least that gap will remain if not get bigger. The pc fanboys are just as bad or worse, if you want to spend a fortune upgrading pcs to out perform consoles for the next 10 years go ahead but shut up about the whole master race crap because when it comes to spec for spec a console will stomp a pc. The reason is somple, devs only have 1 architecture to optimize for intead of all the millions of possible pc combinations which cant be done.

[CrowbaitBob]

I'm more than pleased with the capabilities of the Xbox One.

The idea that the PS4 will continue to be significantly more powerful than the Xbox One just makes me that much more excited about the future of this generation.

I really don't see why there has to be so much hate around N4G. If the PS4 is superior does that really mean that the Xbox One sucks? I certainly don't believe so.

[DOOMZ]

Its funny how RYSE is the best looking Next Gen game out though, lol! Give it a few updates from now, then we will really see...

[CAB1802]

Xbox One good luck

[DoggyBiscuit]

M$ making the same mistakes as Nintendo focusing too much on a gimmick, gamers just wanna play games not talk to a Kinect

[clouds5]

I can't hear these predictions anymore. 50% of articles here are just pure speculation or making stuff up...

EVERYTHING can change when the right games are coming out. There is this term "system seller" it refers to a game that is so good everyone must have it, and people buy a system just to be able to play that game.
When such a game comes out on the xb1 nobody will care about the resolution, you just have to play it. My theory is that people are making such a big deal out of resolution and theoretical power atm because there is nothing else to talk about.
All systems have potential. And potential is a great thing, but making predictions now based on that potential doesn't make sense. Just look at some consoles of the past...

[Shacojin]

Say it aint so!

[Rottenspacehead]

Just accept it, sony and microsoft has gone 2 different ways this time, how can u argue about that ?

Sony went for hardware power for their exclusives and multi, and indie friendly. Microsoft went for "all in 1 box" with kinect, awesome apps and a decent hardware power.

I see them as 2 different systems, therefor i need them both.

If you can only buy 1, then buy whatever u want most of what they have gone for, where ur friends play, what exclusive games u like... easy as that.

Its not like Xbox is not gonna get the multi games.. 30fps vs 60fps... fuck that.

[Lamigol10]

It's like an episode of Jeremy Kyle on here .. "Ps4 is better .. framerate .. 1080p .. 60fps ..... " " you console .. stupid idiots .. my pc .. blah blah " .
Jesus f'ing christ !! ha
I have been playing games for 35 years and I could not give a s**t which console / pc setup is technically superior . Do you honestly care ?
I think the "game" is the most important aspect .. full stop !
Different games are technically different regardless of platform.
Does the bitterness not detract from your enjoyment of actually playing games ?
Oh .. and if you don't like what sony, microsoft, dell or whoever are doing .. leave your job at McDonald's and develop your own gaming machine !!
Pathetic !!

[mmj]

I'd love to see Microsoft take a lie detector test, they're still trying to fool people that Xbone will be able to match PS4 with GPU optimizations and unlocking Kinect reservations. haha

I think once they admit they will never be able to match PS4 things will die down, it's just the blatant lies and spin that is fueling the fire.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

Well said

[Kriandis]

The big thing is that SONY has not release the PS4 in Japan yet. Once they do that, the flood gates will open.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

Behind in what gpu so what so 2013 most gamers buy both anyways I bought the xbox one first this summer ps4.ps4 hooked to my xbox one for the ultimate gaming marriage. Peace and harmony

[worldwidegaming]

Its not going to sell that well in Japan without some heavy hitting games. Unlike us stupid Americans the Japanese think before they buy. Impulse buying is the reason we are in debt but that's ANOTHER topic...
Arguments that lack any real point seems to be the theme for N4G.
(MY P is bigger than your P! HAHA!) power does not equal great gaming. If it did the Superior PC race wins hands down.
Oh, but PC players do not have A,B and C!
looking at that defense it makes fan-boys look petty and stupid.

The second we stop this stupid crap is the second all of these companies get up and start making better quality games...until then lets bicker and fight.

How sane people see fan-boys.
fan boy A:I got a rock! its heavy!
fan boy B:NO my rock is heavier! and its brown!! O_o

keep in mind some comments were very smart and thought out! we need more of that...

[Bearsfanfourlife]

I've accepted it back in march I was told they weren't targeting the highest end graphics. But hey I'm having a blast with my all in xbox one dr3 my favorite exclusive so far

[RosweeSon]

Even without a Kinnet less xbox one I still think they'll be 2nd place at best the sheer fact at launch already games are struggling to get to 60fps reminds me of Ea saying we can't get madden above 30fps for a certain playstation 3 on launch and look how even with a big fan base as sony had (over 100 million consoles on both ps1 and 2) ps3 still played catch up for an entire generation, it may have finally caught up and may well still go one to sell 100 million making it sony's third home console in a row to do so but I seriously think Microsoft are gonna be the ones playing catch up and second fiddle to sony this time round even when they remove kinnect it won't matter and a price cut will just get matched or bettered by sony, Microsoft are on the back foot and will be for a good year or 2 it's gonna cost a lot of back handers and exclusive dlc's and games to turn this around, nintendo wii u will pick up and do it's own thing, sure it won't match ps4 and prob not even old wii or Xbox one but it'll still sell well enough, 6-12 months once new mario kart donkey kong, brand new zelda and Smash bros come out they'll start to shift consoles at it'll clear at least 20-30 million consoles. Just call me mystic meg.

[RosweeSon]

And I own them all... PS3/4 + Vita, 3DS and Wii U plus a soon to be retired xbox 360 (I say soon prob 3/6 months... Backlog haha) so I'm no fanboy but nothing xbox wise is exciting me, console may have some good features but price nope, kinnect nope, forza and Ryse nope, dead rising meh and likely to become available elsewhere in some from or another, look at the GameCube exclusive Resident evil 4 hahaha. As for games soon to be announced a new crackdown would be pretty cool as it's not a series that's been milked to death, gears of war has been bought from epic and is not an amazing game in my personal opinion it's ok and who doesn't love a bit of chainsaw but nah and halo 2 remake to be announced wow! Fable remake far cry remake and a whole lot of meh! Even tho killzone wasn't a game to buy a console for I still bought it and the ps4 just so it was 1-0 sony as I think theyve learnt their lesson with ps3 now Xbox need to do some learning, garbage for gold for a start the games are awful!! I won't get an xbox one for at least 18 months, not like there's any other major consoles coming out and I've safely got my ps4 set up under the telly ready for the good times to kick and all the while reaping the benefits of ps+ giving me free games and essentially helping the damage on the cost of the console which was already cheaper than xbox's offering, win win. Fingers crossed for Sony and Nintendo.

[RosweeSon]

However competition is always good for us gamers however bad it may currently be at xbox ( coming from a 6/7 year long xbox 360 gamer... Seriously great console for the time) but things change and xbox gold is a rip off has been for 3 or 4 years.

[Max-Zorin]

Something sports fans are capable of doing that the gaming community always sucked at, having a normal conversation. Those lunatics do not respect the opinion of others.

[SonyAddict]

Kinect or not!,xbone is still weak with or without kinect!.