Titanfall maps can be packed with nearly 50 combatants including AI, players and Titans

A 12-player headcount in matches of Titanfall is the sweet spot for the game, the title's lead designer tells Polygon. Any less and things threaten to get boring. Any more and the game becomes so intense it's off-putting.

[iamnsuperman]

This is my concern. If 6v6 is fine why fill the game with AI. It contradicts their own argument for 6v6 because they allow up to 50 with the rest filled by AI. I need to know more about what the AI does but I know people would rather get shot by humans than bots if the amount of players actually supports 50 anyway

[GarrusVakarian]

"This is my concern. If 6v6 is fine why fill the game with AI. It contradicts their own argument "

Exactly. I don't buy multiplayer games to shoot and be shot by AI. Im really interested in seeing what the AI actually do in Titanfall and what he point of them is. Hopefully they don't take too much focus away from the player vs player action.

[NewMonday]

the offensive thing is the bait and switch, on the gameplay trailers everyone assumed the action is full of player vs player action

IMOO this is the worst decpection by a dev since the Aliens:CM demo

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

@NewMonday

They have always stated that the game had AI. The video footage they showed at E3 was 6v6.

[georgeenoob]

Who said there will be AI by default? Obviously this is optional and anybody can easily play the game without AI if they choose to do so. More nitpicking I see.

People who play 6v6 Titanfall all say the game is VERY action-packed, so what's the issue? If it's action packed at 6v6, can you imagine how worse it would play at 9v9 or 12v12?

[Simco876]

@NewMonday

At least they told you before release dude. Just think if you found out at release? That's messed up.

[thekhurg]

This is probably being done to tout the power of the cloud or some other PR stunt.

Shooting bots isn't fun, nor is getting shot by them.

50 combatants running around, and 38 of those being computer controlled is simply not going to be as entertaining as larger scale player vs player.

The initial damage control from fanboys was "maps would be built for 6v6" - yeah so if they're built for 6v6 how is 50 combatants going to work? If the maps are built to accommodate 50 then what the hell are the chances that you'll find one of the SIX ENEMY PLAYERS from the other side?

Next gen my ass...
SMFH

[nukeitall]

Everyone that played the game tells you how amazing the game is, why do you care what the player count is?

It's like you experience this amazing game, and people ask, why isn't the game 740p instead of 720p. It is inconsequential!

Many games has lower player count, and many games has very high player count and was completely devoid of fun. A prime example was MAG, which had 256 players.

Bigger isn't necessarily better. I like playing Gears and it is very low player count, but I enjoyed the crap out of the online experience. The closeness of the fights, and the fact that you run into the same people over and over, and get a chance at revenge made the game even sweeter.

Player count wasn't an issue before, when we had low player count on Xbox 360 and PS3, but somehow it suddenly is now?

That said, with that much AI, there is no technical reason why the developer couldn't have increased the player count, so they clearly must think that is the best balance.

So judge the game when it comes out, but from what I hear and can tell, this game is gonna be a monster and I cannot wait! The two month wait is just too long....

[GarrusVakarian]

@nukeitall

"Everyone that played the game tells you how amazing the game is, why do you care what the player count is?
"

I don't care about what the player count is........where did i state i did? Many games i have played have been just fine with a small player count (cod, halo, gears) My concern is with the role of the AI combatants on the maps.

Way to not read my comment properly.....like so many others on this website.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

We are beating a dead horse at this point. It's clear that a good portion of people would at least like an option to increase the player count, but it is also clear that Respawn is sticking to their 6v6 limit which they felt makes the game most fun.

Only thing to do now is to wait until the game is out and see for ourselves.

[JhawkFootball06]

People keep saying they want something new. Always criticizing games like Call of Duty and Battlefield for not innovating. Then when a company tries to innovate. They get bashed. Let's keep the criticism to ourselves till we play it.

[jetlian]

it contradicts their own argument?! really now. one the ai soldiers wont have titans and two ai soldiers play the objectives!

ever played domination or demolition in cod or bf where people camp for ks or vehicles? yea sucks being the one getting killed because your team is worried about k/d or just playing around.

in cod you couldn't have more than 2 planes out per team. now if they did go higher i wouldnt wanna have to wait for someone elses titan to die just get mine.

in codg you wanna know why so many people hate it?! it is a lot harder to camp than all the other games. Also unless this is sporting bf size maps it wont need that many people

[mikeslemonade]

This is still going to be a good game but not like some of the x1 fans said it would be.

[Kingthrash360]

all i can do is shake my head at this point. we are talkin 30+ bots...smh thats just horde mode..or survival mode. ball slipping and almost dropped at this point...12v12 pvp is better than this. smh

[MorePowerOfGreen]

WoW now PS4 fanboys are trolling with damage control spin over the reason for the player count?

Fanboys tried to cash in on the news with massive trolling and now are doing saving face trolling.

The devs said they were trying to get the right mix since they announced the game LOL. If the game had 32 vs 32 the game would still be attacked for not having 100 vs 100 due to the envious fanboys trying to hurt the game and XB1.

It's funny to see this made up/forced drama as if "certain gamers" experienced the game with more players then it was suddenly changed. Sony trolls in every article over this on every website I visit.

This game is a multi player single player hybrid with cloud compute AI and Physics other than that people have no fucin idea what they're talking about and have no right to be making an issue of this.

[Prime157]

@morepowerofgreen

There are trolls on both sides in EVERY article. Also, trolls on both sides WRITING articles.

If you took one second to stop being a ms troll you'd see that some of us were surprised and confused by the news. The trailers we'd seen so far were suggesting a higher player count.

Some are more mouthy than others, but it was surprising, that's all.

[KillrateOmega]

So, Titanfall is basically just a supped-up version of Combat Training from Black Ops.

Great. Because when I think next-gen, I think of **** tons of bots. Truly the epitome of fun... /s

[voodoochildnyc]

lol people in here are so aprehensive you'd think they we're trying an experimental drug. what the hell do you think the ai does? they're there to add immersion and to maintain pacing - it's campaign multiplayer remember? if it we're all human players then it'd just be a mindless codmatch and it would ruin the experience they set out to create. it's funny reading people go on and on like they know anything about creating such experiences. go out and make your own game if you think you can do better, otherwise let these wonderful artists do their thing.

[Kryptix]

@georgeenoob

"Who said there will be AI by default? Obviously this is optional and anybody can easily play the game without AI if they choose to do so. More nitpicking I see."

Where does it say that the AI are optional...where? If they were optional then it would be defeating the purpose of announcing the game to only being 6vs6. If there was an option as such, then they would be able to raise the player count even higher since the AI takes some space in the battlefield.

Making stuff up... You even said the word "obviously" like it's a fact when Respawn never said it was going to be optional.

[G20WLY]

I agree Lukas. How can you have 50 'combatants' and only 5 of them be your team mates?! It's madness! :(

A busy map with only ONE-in-TEN combatants a team mate is just not MP. It's different, yes, but bad different, unless this is just one mode and we don't know about the others yet...otherwise I'll only buy if it's priced lower at launch (which will never happen) or reduced way down the line.

[Sitdown]

@newmonday
You have no clue what bait and switch is.... you are still getting the original product, and nobody is trying to get you to purchase another product that costs more. You have not been deceived, and it's your own fault for the poor assumption.

[UnHoly_One]

I never thought of it until just now, but all of this talk about player count and AI and calling in Titans reminds me of a shooter called Hybrid that came out on XBLA a year and a half ago.

That game was 3v3, and there were "killstreak" rewards in the forms of different sorts of robots that you call in and assist you. Killing other people's robots added to your kill count, making it slightly easier to get your own killstreak rewards.

The end result was a game that was different from everything else out there, and amazingly fun. Seriously, it was my favorite online shooter in years.

[ShinMaster]

38 AI characters???

[P0werVR]

they have stated time and again that it's going to be a sort of multiplayer campaign gameplay, where there will be objectives. It wouldn't make ANY sense that it will be just AI that is processed locally in hardware, and why they stated they are using Cloud Computing for AI immersion as is used in Forza 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The only drastic downside to this is whether PC and Xbox 360 will receive the same features as Xbox One. Unfortunately there have been some claims in the past by the developers that certain features are only exclusive to Xbox One.

The point is this, it's something new and why some are honestly confused and ask relevant questions. While "others" use this as a argument point for their fanboy intentions. Fact of the matter remains until we PLAY THE GAME! Other than that, developers tout that they were going to make this game the best fps experience (they do have a chip on their shoulder), and so far past experiences of gameplay proves this game is pure awesome.

[Raiden]

AI, the AI will be learning all the time, and that the whole point, they are testing it look at FORZA it also has AI, I think the AI and strongly linked to the cloud system and this is just the begining. Gamers will have to rise there level of play big time.

This is what i think,AI may not have a level of diffcultly but as the game continues it will learn to hunt in packs for the take down.

This generation has just began, welcom to the evolution of gaming.

Let hope this game is a hit and worth the money and reserve our thoughs on it once the general public have there hands on it.

Game on my gaming brothers and sisters

[Queasy]

They are trying something different by making a an online shooter with a campaign. I give them kudos for that.

I don't know if it will work without playing it yet but I'm glad to see someone try something different.

[cyguration]

Brink already did it first and it wasn't that great.

[Kingthrash360]

i can tell u like the concept of this game....so do i. but this, what they are doing, is bad...all bad. smh it may be fun still...thats what counts. but 1 slip up and this game may very well end up like brink.

[Queasy]

@Kingthrash: Why is 6v6 mixed with up to 36 AI controlled characters bad?

Honest question. Haven't played it so I don't know if the experience is bad or not.

[Queasy]

@cyguration: Brink failed for a lot of reasons but mostly because it was an incomplete and unpolished turd that never lived up to the CGI videos that originally hyped it up.

What little story there was also did not serve any purpose in the matches.

[Kingthrash360]

honest answer no trolling..
its just this game has greatness written all over it...its just surprising to see a game at this caliber to be relying on bots instead actual real people...its a next gen game.
and please ignore the weirdos who say ppl are trolling...i for one am not trolling at all. i care about the game and i dont even have a x1. im not with the war..nothin
but be honest you didnt think it was gunna be 6v6..
the meat of a fps multiplayer game is the unpredictability of human players. bots in time will be predictable and that in of itself is a downer for this game.
people will just troll the bots and rack up the score..its the mistakes humans make that bot wont like the heat of the moment, moments.
example you surprise a player and he accidentally throws a grenade instead of shooting or forgetting to reload or killing a teammate on accident...things like this matter in a fps and will be missed in this game....sadly.

[H0RSE]

@cyguration

Brink had its problems, but integrating a campaign into MP, had nothing to do with it.

@Kingthrash360

"its just surprising to see a game at this caliber to be relying on bots instead actual real people."

- They aren't "relying" on bots. They aren't even a part of the team. The teams are comprised of only human players. From the article:

"They aren't there to fill in the roster or load out a map that only supports six players per side. They're meant to serve several different functions. On one level, the AI characters are there as fodder for players who simply aren't good enough to kill other player-controlled characters. They also serve as an easier way to load up on the experience needed to call in a Titan. And they're meant to provide a sort of backstory and narrative to a game lacking any sort of single-player element.

Essentially, they're there so everyone has a chance to feel like a hero, no matter how good or bad they are."

- From that, it essentially sounds like the play a similar role to the AI troops in MOBA's, and MOBA's are among the most competitive, skill-based games out there.

--

"the meat of a fps multiplayer game is the unpredictability of human players. bots in time will be predictable and that in of itself is a downer for this game."

- The unpredictability of players, is actually part of the reason why they decided on 6v6. From the article:

"The higher the player count, the more uncomfortable the game gets. Unlike in most games where you can sit there and guard the two ways in, in Titanfall the guy can come in through the window right behind you, he can come from the window to your left, he can come from straight ahead, he can come in from the stairway and he can come in from the doorway, or whatever. Essentially there are five directions you can get killed from and the higher that player count, the more likely you are to get killed from behind and the more difficult it is to kind of manage your surroundings."

That's because of the particular design of Titanfall...pilots aren't really meant to walk or even run along the ground, they're meant to traverse maps by wall running. And the more a player wall runs, the faster they move.

Combine that with the fact that players can essentially create their own approach into a building, up a building or around a building, and toss in those mammoth Titans, and suddenly a player's brain has a lot more to think about than in a typical shooter.

The increased speed that comes with wall running and with being in a Titan also means that players can find one another much faster than in your typical shooter, so player count doesn't have to be inflated to create action. The action is always seconds away.

So player count, while important, became less about delivering a number to match other online shooters and more about finding what felt the most fun and the least overwhelming.

- I think that excerpt addresses your concern pretty pretty thoroughly.

As for the bots, (as I covered above) they aren't on the teams - they serve their own functions. By the description above, they are designed to be predictable, again, comparable to the AI in MOBA's.

--

"people will just troll the bots and rack up the score.."

- but that's part of the role they play - to rack up points so players can get their Titans faster, like leveling up heroes in MOBA's.... Besides, it's not like players can just rack up points and come out the winner. There are still objectives that need to be played.

[irepbtown]

H0RSE

''Essentially, they're there so everyone has a chance to feel like a hero, no matter how good or bad they are.''

Is that not a problem though? You can become an expert without spending time on it and improving yourself. Is improving game by game, and slowly becoming a better player, not better, than being a pro from the get go?

And the explanation about player count (from the devs I believe) is still questionable. Yes coming through windows, running up walls, having multiple entrances etc makes the game very different than usual shooters, therefore 6v6 would make sense (their explanation covers that well) however the other 38 bots, why have them?

I'm going to have to wait and see how it all works out. I was planning on getting the X1 within the next couple of months (Titanfall being a big decision maker for me) as I already have the PS4.

I should add: This doesn't turn me away from the game, I just want more explanation from the devs and maybe a few videos.

[H0RSE]

"Is that not a problem though? You can become an expert without spending time on it and improving yourself. Is improving game by game, and slowly becoming a better player, not better, than being a pro from the get go?"

- you are taking it out of context. When they say:

"Essentially, they're there so everyone has a chance to feel like a hero, no matter how good or bad they are."

- The key word is "feel." You can "feel" like a hero, without actually being one. Again, this can be compared to AI in MOBA's. (inexperienced) players can kill AI all day in a MOBA, and feel powerful or like they are doing a good job, but unless they attack the enemy base or the enemy heroes, they aren't really going to accomplish much.

Players aren't going to get any better skill-wise unless they take on human opponents, and the same mindset goes for Titanfall (or any fps) as well. Then there are other facets, like movement and positioning, and players will not advance in those fields unless they learn the maps and maneuvering capabilities of the pilots and Titans.

"And the explanation about player count (from the devs I believe) is still questionable. Yes coming through windows, running up walls, having multiple entrances etc makes the game very different than usual shooters, therefore 6v6 would make sense (their explanation covers that well) however the other 38 bots, why have them?"

- In addition to the MOBA references I made, they also help to flesh out the battlefield and atmosphere of the game. If the game was simply 6v6 human players, it would just feel like a standard MP match. Adding the AI helps make the game more engaging, without overstimulating players.

Think of it like a movie with epic battle scenes - the AI are acting like all the extra's in the background fighting. The main character(s) of the film (the players) don't really have to worry about needing to keep their eyes and ears ready for the extras/AI to attack at any moment, yet they still serve a function in the film/game.

Remember, they are meshing SP campaign with MP, so having NPC's present isn't a foreign concept.

[irepbtown]

I hope you're right H0RSE, the game looks great so far. The more I watch the E3 gameplay the more I get excited.

[Concertoine]

Respawn said themselves the AI doesn't function as basic bots, its clear that not me, not you, not anyone else but them at this stage understand how the game completely works. So maybe we should wait and listen first.
For those disagreeing, straight from the horse's mouth:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2014...
They found the game to be most fitting with the player count they decided. Why are so many on this site so convinced that MORE players means a better game? Not everything needs a big player count like BF or Planetside, and not every game needs to maximize the hardware to be a fun game.

[BlackTar187]

I agree. But then again why all the hype if no one knows really anything about how its going to play with all the extra stuff?

[Fishy Fingers]

Heresy!!

[Concertoine]

@BlackTar
The same reasont there's hype for Uncharted 4, X on wii u, Cyberpunk 2077, Halo 5 and etc...
Becuase it had a good trailer. Plus we can assume that it's an fps with parkour elements and giant mechs, that in itself is a cool concept.

Edit: Fair enough, but also something like Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, The Last Guardian, and pretty much every game last e3 with a prerendered trailer, some of them we know nothing about the gameplay, even less than titanfall. Some of them are being developed by successful studios as well, but there's still nothing known about the gameplay. Respawn is the new kid on the block, and i think they deserve a chance.

[nukeitall]

@tar:

The hype comes from seeing the amazing game play, and the fact it comes from the makers of CoD. On top of that, all the reports of actual people playing it is gushing awesomeness!

I have not heard a single bad comment from somebody tested it, and the people that has, has gone right back into the 3-hour waiting line to try it again.

However, yes, I will wait until March to find out myself. Hype doesn't mean it will be great, but it sure as hell gets me excited! :D

[BlackTar187]

Actually to me your comparisons don't make any sense. You're comparing games with a history and known game play staples they've actually used in the previous games of the same title.

I need to find out what X is but I thought Cyberpunk MP was a extra not a main point so then you're comparing a Single Player FPS to a MP FPS.

I'm pretty sure people arn't pumped on Cyberpunk MP over the game in its entirety.

@Nuke
Ill be on Titanfall 6v6(Xbone) sounds good to me. Not sure why people care about the player count as much as they do.

[quaneylfc]

it isn't about the multiplayer part of the game. i do not get why people are still talking about this and why people are concerned. it isn't 6v6 because they can't do it or the console isn't powerful enough it's because the team moaned less each match. they tested the game out for playercounts that probably tripled call of duty's but it wasn't fun, 12 v 12 wasn't fun 16 v 16 wasn't fun but 6 v 6 WAS, it is as simple as that.

that along with the focus on things other than multiplayer because it is not solely a multiplayer game (even though so many people think it is.)

[thekhurg]

All developers think their games are fun. Your excuse/damage control is moot.

[Utalkin2me]

@quaneylfc

They pretty much designed the game with 6v6 in mind obviously. The levels have to be desined with player count in mind. You just can't take 6v6 maps and put 32 people in it and say "ahhh well this doesn't work", that's not how developing games work.

The single player is multiplayer, besides you play against total bots instead of having a few human players. Thats it nothing else

[quaneylfc]

thekhurg: All game fans think they can design games, your ideas on making this game are moot. You are not as SMART as you think you are and you are not as IMPORTANT as you think you are. (when people learn that, this site will be a better site to visit)

Why would a person need to control the Damage when they have both consoles??

By accusing me of being a fanboy, you reveal yourself to be a fanboy - that circle is annoying, find a way of breaking it.

[quaneylfc]

@ thekhurg: It has multiple players but it is not a multiplayer game, the players are inside A level from the campaign, the ai players are the ones you would verse if you were playing the campaign by yourself, your friends or enemies are beaming in to replace those ai players to try and stop you - to make finishing the level harder.

@Utalkin2me: That doesn't make sense because the size of the level varies from small medium and large.

I'd rather trust the opinion of the most important fps game director of the last generation over some people that have never designed games and are restricted from buying it because they own ps4s.

[Jack_Reacher]

So the team tested it and did not like it.they are not the rest of the world. Why not leave the option in for a higher player count. Let the purchaser choose. After all then if you don't like it then don't play it. I'm betting is done this way to tout the power of the cloud. Well good luck on all that up and down info streaming on the average users Internet speed. Maybe that's the real reason. With all that going on 6v6 is the stable sweet spot.

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

The AI would still be there anyways if it was 32v32. According to people who work at Respawn, when they tested the game with more than 6v6 the testers said the game got to hectic and loses its appeal.

[Utalkin2me]

They probably only tested it 8v8.

[frostypants]

You people are so f*cking gullible.

[Legacy212]

They have to design maps that are both balanced to people using titans and people just running around. These A.I DO NOT HAVE TITANS! Its 6 v 6 because it most likely allowed for the most fun and quickest pace. People need to chiil out. If it was 12 on 12 with a bunch of a.i and a potential of another 24 titanz being on the map then they would need to make the maps huge and wide to make space for these GIANT titans which would pit the pilots at a disadvantage because they dont have walls to climb etc.

[theWB27]

If any of you listened to what they said then you'd understand their reasoning for doing this. They have objectives laid out around maps. They know that players don't usually try and complete every objective and do the "boring" things. It's shoot, camp, shoot and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

So they have AI in the game to complete tasks that human players wouldn't do. I'd rather be killed by AI than a human player who camps out in a spot and cheeses the map and tries to exploit rather than be genuiley good at the game.

It's an attempt at eliminating the COD tactics. Bring it on.

[iamnsuperman]

So in your theory the game completes the objectives it sets (plays itself) while everyone else runs around. That doesn't make sense and I do not think Respawn are that stupid to implement such a ridiculous mechanic. Anyway too many objectives at once makes people not complete the objectives because there is no focus

I really doubt what you wrote will be how the game plays

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

***"So they have AI in the game to complete tasks that human players wouldn't do. I'd rather be killed by AI than a human player who camps out in a spot and cheeses the map and tries to exploit rather than be genuiley good at the game."***

Both are equally bad in my opinion. Of course you don't want to be killed by a lousy camper, but being killed by A.I is just as worse. Both scenarios are unnecessary deaths that shouldn't have occurred.

Also there player count has very little influence on camping and other cheap tactics as that comes down to the individual player. If you're an exploiter you will always try to play that way no matter what the player size is. And Titanfall's very nature discourages camping anyway. Where are going camp to camp? The game is very fast pace with people jumping all over the place. People can pop out of nowhere. Staying in one place wouldn't be wise in this game. Respawn even said it themselves as one of the reasons why they chose 6v6:

***""The higher the player count, the more uncomfortable the game gets," he said. "Unlike in most games where you can sit there and guard the two ways in, in Titanfall the guy can come in through the window right behind you, he can come from the window to your left, he can come from straight ahead, he can come in from the stairway and he can come in from the doorway, or whatever. Essentially there are five directions you can get killed from and the higher that player count, the more likely you are to get killed from behind and the more difficult it is to kind of manage your surroundings.""***

So yeah, camping and staying in one spot is discouraged by the nature of the game itself. And I honestly don't agree with this reason for 6v6 max limit in particular because it comes across as "it makes the game too hard", but whatever. We'll just have to wait till the game comes out to be able to make an actual fair assessment. Arguments about the player count has been done to death and it's clear Respawn ain't changing it.

[mhunterjr]

Apparently titanfall, plays differently than other shooters, but for some reason many are determined to judge it based on traditional conventions.

We've known AI, was going to play a key role in this game since its debut, now suddenly folks want the AI to be replaced with human players.

My understanding is the AI, will play a strategic role. Instead of your typical, king of the hill gametype, instead of standing in a circle to capture a base, you'll have to kill all the AI in the room.

Instead of your typical capture the flag, you might have to capture escort AI from one side of the map to the other.

These AI aren't bots; they aren't meant to take the place of a human player. They are meant to flesh out the narrative of this campaign multiplayer... an idea that is totally new in FPS.

if you say you don't want ai in your multiplayer, then you NEVER wanted titan fall.

It's funny how this game went from being 'just Cod with mechs' to being 'too different' from a typical FPS...

[Godmars290]

Its COD with giant robots and jet assist parkour, only so far the general environment favors foot troops and the giant robots can't effect it with their high yield weapon much less kicking it.

[UnHoly_One]

Yeah I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around why people are complaining about this, other than the fact that nowadays EVERYONE complains about EVERYTHING.

And everyone is a game designer that thinks they know best.

People complain about CoD and Battlefield being the same every year. People complain about other shooters emulating parts of CoD's multiplayer, etc...

Here comes a game trying to be different, and everyone is complaining because it isn't the same as all the other games they are used to complaining about being too similar to each other.

It's mind boggling how stupid this sounds when you really think about it.

L4D was 4v4 with AI and everyone loved it. I don't remember anyone complaining about player count in that game. I don't remember anyone complaining that it had AI zombies in it.

Why is this different?

P.S. On a side note, all the people comparing the inclusion of AI in this game to a MOBA like DoTa 2 have hit the nail on the head, but because it's a totally different genre, nobody wants to admit that it will probably work brilliantly.

Borderlands took the FPS genre and mixed it with the loot based RPG genre and it was wildly successful.

Everyone that plays this game says it is amazing.

And yet all the people who haven't played it somehow automatically know it is going to suck because it has 12 total players in a match instead of 16, or whatever.

I wish these people would realize how ignorant they sound, making all of these crazy assumptions about something they barely know anything about.

[CynicalKelly]

The AI doesn't call in Titans.. That is the reason.

Gears was 4v4 and it was fine. Your problem is that you are expecting this to be or play like a CoD clone.

Treat it like it is it's own game and not some CoD type game and you will enjoy it more.

[iamnsuperman]

But it isn't like Gears' situation. Gears was 4v4 (max 8 players) and that was it. This game actually has up to 50 fighters of some kind but only 12 humans max. There is a difference

[SilentNegotiator]

Gears of War MP used rather small maps and did not have jetpacks, parkour, or tanks (unless things changed in the later GeoW games, haven't played them all). Not large maps and all of those things.

Absolutely no one, except maybe a handful of idiots, "expected this to be or play like a CoD clone". If it played like COD, 6v6 would be much closer to acceptable (but still a pitiful number, for Xbone and PC versions).

[LightofDarkness]

Because players want to play as the hero. 50 players with the ability to ride in titans would be game-breaking, so only 12 players have the capability of using them.

So why not let the other 50 plays as foot solders? Because when a player joins a server, they'll want to hop into a titan and be able to use their boost pack. However, the server will likely already have 12 players who have claimed the roles of boosters/Titan users, so you will be told that you have to either wait or do well enough while playing as a lowly grunt to gain access to one of those roles. What will happen? The new player will exit the game until they find a server where they don't have to wait. What if all the available servers have filled those roles? The player just won't play. Nobody wants to play a diminished version of the game 90% of the time for the chance to play the game at its best.

The entire thing makes a LOT of sense when you think about it, but of course you won't. You'd all rather jerk your knees uncontrollably until you kick the doctor in the face while he's trying to tell you everything's OK.

[Ashby_JC]

That is a very good point I didn't think of.

I look forward to seeing how the game plays.

I'm thinking that during player count testing. Having anything more then 12 titans was just to crazy or hectic..or not fun.

They designed the game. Who am I to tell them what to do. Once the game drops...we can all determine what we think works or doesn't.

For now...if you really feel you dint like what you read. There are plenty of other fps options.

[dcj0524]

100% untrue. I don't leave the server in a game of conquest in BF4 just because all the vehicles are taken. Thats beyond ADD. I play as a foot soldier completing objectives,killing other foot soldiers and destroying vehicles until a vehicle is available for me to get in. Not having a vehicle or titan available doesn't break interest. Most people will just play as foot soldiers. I don't theow a fit when somebody else took the commander spot and not me.

[SilentNegotiator]

There's no reason that everyone should be given their own titan. It's a flawed gameplay element in itself because AI opponents will all be mowed down easily.

By your logic, BF must not keep anyone's attention due to the fact that not everyone gets a vehicle.

[theWB27]

"Lots of armchair game designing going on in here. I'd suggest playing before judging a something as insignificant as a number in a vacuum.

Vince is right - we tried a huge amount of playercounts (all the way down to 1v1 and up quite high) and designed the maps, gameplay mechanics, and entire experience around which played best. If anyone wants to chase the numbers game, perhaps we're not the experience they're after? I dunno.

And FYI, for amount of stuff happening at once in a map you'll be hard pressed to find a game that keeps the action higher. I literally have to stop playing every few rounds because my heart just can't take it some times. Remember, you can get out of your Titan and let it roam on AI mode - meaning there can be 12 Pilots wallrunning around, 12 Titans stomping below, and dozens of AI doing their thing.

Oh, and I keep seeing people thinking we've got "bots" when we talk about AI. Thats not how they are. The AI in Titanfall are not replacements for human players. Our playercount is not 6v6 because of AI - AI play their own role in the game and are a different class of character in the game.

Can't wait! Only a couple months until speculative threads like this are gone and people are actually talking about their experiences with the game. Its truly fun stuff, and I hope everyone at least gives it a try."

That's from a confirmed Respawn dev on the GAF thread about the player count.

Here's the link. http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.polygon.com/2014...

So what was wrong with what I said? Polygon confirms it even more.

[HacSawJimThugin]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said but the trolls beg to differ.

It truly amazes me that you have more disagrees than agrees...quotes and references to back up those quotes mean nothing to these ppl and that says more than enough about the type of idiotic hive mindset we are dealing with.

TitanFall by definition is a beast with many heads. Something so uniquely different from everything else on the market that trying to compare it to other FPS ends in utter frustration. The last thing that this game is is conventional. Re-read the article if you have a problem with comprehension, the AI serve a purpose not fully explained, a purpose not intended for human players. Whatever that purpose may be, I rather have it done by the AI instead of derpy team mates who would most certainly f@@K it up by doing something other than what they are suppose to.

Good post WB27.

[Ashby_JC]

@wb27

The more I read..the more I'm interested in this game.

After finding out about the player count I started re watching titanfall videos. Since we know now that everyone wasn't human controlled..I noticed that it looks like ai players have specific task.

Like say guard this area...attack this area. They are like grunts, soldiers etc. ..Who follow orders

I imagine that having these controlled by humans wouldn't work for what they are trying to do because..I can't see 6 to 12 human opponents following orders.

I guess we could think of the 12 ai players on each team as soldiers who follow orders..but will engage when attacked..but overall will do what they have to to complete a task etc.

I'm very interested in this game and like that they are trying something..me myself have never experienced.

[Rimeskeem]

They should at least do 20 vs 20 because what's the use of making AI players when there can be real players that don't need the cloud

[k3rn3ll]

Because the AI can't call in Titans. If the could it would just be nothing but mechs running around if eve ry character could call one in. Then ithere no need for people characters at all. Just a mechwar game. They didn't want to make just a mech game. And nobody would want to br a human when everyone else has mechs.

[Ashby_JC]

After reading articles. The devs expanded why they decided on 6v6.

20v20 means....40 players plus 40 titans. Honestly...That doesn't sound appealing to me.

I understand what they are trying to do with the game. Initially I was like hmmm 12 seems low. But...looking at the videos for the game again.

Knowing there are ai soldiers..plus a story involved. It makes more sense.

[TheDrunkenJester]

Did you not read the article? He explains what the AI is there for...

[Lilrizky]

I'm still confused about the AI thing. Some people are saying they're like bots, others are saying they play other roles to the player-controlled soldiers. Does anybody have a detailed description on how it all works?

[Ashby_JC]

Looked at videos again myself. Seems to me that ai soldiers have specific task they perform during a match.

That's 12 on each side. So 24 soldiers that can't call in titans.

But the 6v6 = 12 can call in titans.

I suspect that the ai well have task like guard certain areas.attack certain areas. I think that it could work out better having ai grunts that do indeed follow orders. I doubt if they had human controlled grunts that couldn't call in titans...

1. Not everyone would follow orders
2. Not everyone would not want to be able to use a titan.

I'm just speculating based on reading and videos. I have a idea of what and why they made this decision.

[Hicken]

Nearly fifty... which sounds like 48(just using some good sense and guessing that it would be an even number to keep teams balanced, but isn't 46 or they'd have said "more than 45").

That means one quarter of the combatants are actual people. MAYBE you can cut this down by assuming the Titans' auto mode is something different from just AI, so you could pull up to twelve off the total and bring it down to 36. But that's still just a third of the fighters being human.

Sounds like it's still the epic battles it looked like... only less humans taking part. And that's disappointing.

[AceBlazer13]

12 players + 12 titans = 24 combatants. That means more than 50 percent of the game is a bot zone.

Is reason really to make the game easier for newbies? The competitive players are gonna drop this fast.

[k3rn3ll]

No they want to have groud troops that can call in titans. If it was real people not ai nobody wo uld want to play without being able to call in titan. If it wasn't ai that would have to get rid of ground toops all together. And they want ground troops

[T2]

A concern is that 6 vs 6 is condusive to leagues but not as overall fun in my experience.. I always went to ground war in cod4 and can't wait for 64 player bf4..
But it could still be an epic game

[n4rc]

AI play a role.. The story aspects of the game etc..

Plus easy AI gives even beginners lots to shoot at and not get destroyed by guys like me that have been fps nuts since doom and counterstrike.. Lol

I like the idea and can't wait for this game.. Seems like the cod I've been wanting since mw2

[Rainstorm81]

Doesnt that make less incentive to get better?

get killed by a human? no prob ill just go kill 4 AI soldiers

The only way it would be balanced is if AI soldiers dont count toward your kill total....This is online multiplayer guys, where in every game people try to get and advantage

You will have guys camping with their Titan in auto mode, while they kill AI and players from a distance.....i pray its not like that

[n4rc]

Cod did it in combat training.. Bots are worth half..

And I'm almost positive the demos showed exactly that..

And its still 6v6 humans so you can still get better.. But if those 6 decide to camp and play cheap, at least people can still kills the AI and have some fun..

I've been playing fps games forever.. Cs competitively for years and all popular console fps.. Getting better isn't my concern, I play to have fun.. And it seems like it will be

[jimbobbeers]

Respawn say the AI have specific roles so maybe if they were human players it wouldn't work. I think you just need to wait and see.

[T2]

Well 6vs 6 is better for not being spawn locked, but worse for camping so perhaps if AI won't spawn camp it may work but players will camp for sure especially if killing enemy Ai counts toward score.

[jayswolo]

they are cannon fodder and help with immersion. It adds another layer of gameplay. They aren't bots. They are footsoldiers. There's difference. In BF4's campaign you don't play against bots. Bots are meant to mimic players. That's not the purpose they serve here. You are basically the elite members of the team and have others with you when you go into battle. Stop whining, you'll buy it, play it and probably like it anyway. Gamers man.

[Z_-_D_-_3]

Power of Green, this game is not exclusive to Xbone.

[dlocsta]

Is everyone forgetting the game also has a "story/campaign" going on even though it is only multiplayer? The purpose of the AI and the limiting of humans is to be able to drive the story forward. That would not be possible if all players were human.

[truefan1]

I am convinced the main complainers are PS4 players that weren't going to be playing the game anyway. I don't have evidence but lets look at the facts, the 2 staple xbox shooters are GOW and Halo, so xbox players are used to small teams and know how effective they can be. The Ps4 fanboyism displayed on this sit is pathetic.

[Kidmyst]

I'm waiting for the PC version to have modded servers than run more than 6V6 for some insane action. As long as I can get into a game and not run half way across a map to find action, I'm good, but at the same time not be spawn killed either.

[pompombrum]

That's my concern too.. I understand and fully support 6v6 but if the maps are large enough so that it can support 50 players, why on Earth is is 6v6?

[Funantic1]

COD: Ghosts has A.I. in the multiplayer games....dogs and soldiers with shields. It's the same concept.

[Mr Pumblechook]

If this game delivers on the hype I will be getting it on 360, it's not a compelling enough game (for me) to compel me buy an Xbone to play it.

[gedden7]

And that the argument! No one wants to play against bots... No one wants to lose nor win against them either. The dev has stated we put the bots in to balance the game?? I don't see that, I just see a lot of xbone users (me included) very disappointed... Oh yes AND lazy or "RUSHED" devs...

[jelydonut]

You hafta understand that being able to handle 50 players in game is must different than being able to handle more than 12 network connections at once without lagging the game down due to the wide range of connection latencies.

[assdan]

It doesn't. This is another polygon article that makes Xbox look better than it really is. The bots aren't that the same though. There are 12 pilots and then 38 "grunts" that are a lesser class of soldier.

[ramiuk1]

exactly
say 12 players is sweet spot then add bots?
dont make sense.

i think 12v12 would be good for this,unless maps really small??

[Nocando]

Because 64 humans do 64 different things, and it tends to be chaotic and off putting, at least to me it does.

[TheHybrid]

Becuase 6 human minds vs 6 human minds is a tactical and manageable chess match. 32 vs 32 players is a shit show where you have no control over whether or not your team wins. Don't get me wrong. BF shit shows are awesome but Titanfall is something different

[r3f1cul]

i just worry about the level of a.i. that will be in the game... are they going to be the annoying no recoil wall hack specialists like the cod games have introduced? or even worse will they just be stat pads that are completely useless??? very concerning when you talk about putting bots into games and the happy medium is going to make it hard to please people... seems like an unnecessary risk in my opinion especially with that many a.i. pretty worrisome stuff

[bennissimo]

It does nothing of the sort.

The use of A.I. in Titanfall isn't there to replace human players.

It's a resource to be hacked and stolen, it's an opportunity to farm experience and accelerate the spawning of your titan, and it's there to offer players a sense of scale without removing a sense of traversal speed or superheroism.

[zerogotit]

You guys are really dumb..the ai in the game are just "little people" i guess you can say. Theyre around n you just shoot to get a bit of extra points. Theyre not going to be as strong as human players

[Ps4Console]

I'am a Sony Fan but not an immature fanboy I like this game though I love my Ps4 & won't be buying an Xbox One but I think the game looks amazing regardless .

[360ICE]

"I need to know more about what the AI does"

Yes, you do. The rest of your comment is really meaningless. The AI probably has a different role than the humans, so having many AI characters instead of players doesn't contradict anything. It's like saying "But, there are only 2v2 (or whatever it is) in Bladestorm, but 100000s of AI." If I were a developer, I could just imagine reading your comment and thinking "Yeah, as if you know".

[malokevi]

I have faith, Respawn. Can't wait for March 11th.

[Concertoine]

how dare you have faith in Respawn! how dare you wait til march 11th!
/s

[cell989]

I just dont see how they can mess this up, but what happen here is that people expected something else entirely different than what Respawn is now showing. The game wont be what the trailers depicted per say, but it doesnt mean it wont be a hell of a game. Of course Im going by their credentials and history on bringing new gameplay to the table.

[scott182]

The game looks really fun, I don't know why so many journalists feel the need to write about the 6v6 thing constantly.

[bennissimo]

The game's reveal stated it would be 7v7.

Anyone who's upset at the 6v6 news either wasn't paying attention this past summer, or is willfully ignorant.

[Ps4Console]

I agree I hope you enjoy the game & have really good fun from a Sony fan not a fanboy .

[jimbobbeers]

So many people judging a game they've never played, yet dismissing gamers that have actually played it and said its bloody amazing. Remarkable.

[Callediceman]

i just want to know if the gamers that where playing it where playing 6 vs 6.

edit--I got an answer on this from Bolts-N-Rays1109 in another thread just now. he said according to Respawn they said it was via twitter.

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

Respawn ‏@Respawn 8 Jan
@spider_ricco @Sephhhhh @VinceZampella @MrClutch514 that footage was 6v6!

Here's the proof.

[bennissimo]

When I tested the game, I think it was 7v7, but the alpha build that toured the world this past summer was 6v6.

Nobody seemed to mind.

[Bennibop]

I think it works both ways! Wait until it is released before we start praising it! The same can be said of the likes of drive club, quantum break and infamous

[jimbobbeers]

Without a doubt, stay on the fence by all means, but to ridiculously slate it? Rather silly.

[Rainstorm81]

In Infamous' case we have prior games to judge it off of.....but i agree the best way to judge anything is seeing for yourself.

I've played games everyone praised and i didnt like it (BIoshock.... yea im in the minority so what?)....and vice versa

[Simco876]

Haters dude, I am still looking forward to this game. Bots and all! Why because I don't hold my hat to KDR, I just like to have fun and enjoy games with the very limited time I have.

If I can kill a few AI players, drop down a Titan, jump in this badass mech and blast some players....man...sounds like a good escape from the daily grind. Be damned about a player count.

[HarryB]

Im not worried too much about 6 v 6. I thought about it. Maybe down the line they will add more. But in the mean time im waiting for the beta and some more gameplay to see what and how the game works. Hopefully theres a beta.

[curtis92]

Honestly, if the vast majority of things shooting at you or with you are AI, then... what's the point of it even being online only? It's basically COD single player but with some coop. With titans, of course.

[Gabenbrah]

What a suprise, N4G hating on Titanfall. Live in denial, 80+ awards, Best of Show at every event tells you are wrong. Find me a person that did play the game that didn't leave amazed.

[curtis92]

Dude, get out of here with that. People have opinions. Some are dumb, some are justified. It's the internet, get used to it.

[Gabenbrah]

These opinions are people hating on a game they haven't played, what else is new with N4G and Microsoft platform titles.

[GTgamer]

@gaben
So u never judged a game u haven't played can u honestly say that :/

[BattleTorn]

People's concerns have nothing to do with Titanfall being Xbox exclusive.

It's all about 6v6. And the reasons behind the devs choosing that number.

While some argued that 6v6 was chosen in order for the game to be even more fast paced, and smaller maps.

The fact that it has 50 units, only rough 25% of which will be actual real players, suggest there may be other motives, than performance.

I truly believe they've done this because they know most casual players will enjoy the multiplayer more whilst not really giving much thought to the fact that over half the units they're killing are in fact AI.

[maniacmayhem]

I think you need to actually read what the developers said because a player team that small does not invite casual gamers.

The developers have already explained on multiple articles submitted to N4G why the player count is 6v6.

And I also believe that most of the people being disappointed with the low player count are Sony trolls. The same ones who kept saying this game was coming to PS4, who said it would sell more on PS4, who said MS and EA were shady making a deal behind Respawn's back, who said they would just get it for the PC, who said they are not interested in the game anymore and will wait for Part 2 on PS4, and now the ones who are disappointed it's only 6v6.

[Majin Uchiha]

I disagree, it has everything to do with it being a xbox exclusive, just more fake fanboy outrage

[saint_seya]

So you are prising a game that you never played, but you get offended for people that bash the game because they never played the game.. Double standards, i see..

[-Foxtrot]

Oh please......journalists are not always that truthful especialy when it comes to a hype game like this.

Final fantasy 13, Resident Evil 5/6, Dead space 3, dmc, Lost Planet, Aliens CM, Dark Void, Red Steel 2, GTA4 etc....just a few examples of games journalists hyped up and we're either crap or average at best

[1lawrence]

So did gta4 n we know how that turned out

[Spurg]

I can see them putting the 'Drivatar' from Forza 5 into Titanfall. The game reads your habit and then it makes the A.I for the game....That would be interesting if they are doing that. Rumor has it that Halo 5 has a similar feature.

6v6 isn't even an issue...people don't have enough knowledge of the game to understand why it been implemented like that...so jumping to conclusion too quickly is a bit stupid.

To me 6v6 means balance...Respawn have really analysed and tested the game to find the right balance.

Even games somewhat higher player count like Halo have modes that get play the most...Halo is best experienced 4v4.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@Spurg well said. Higher player count doesn't equal better game play nor does it mean worse play.

And lets look at the 2 most popular shooters out right now:

COD Ghosts supports upto 18 players. 9v9 and is the most popular shooter of the two next gen offerings and arguably the better of the two experiences online given the EA factor. It's always been popular in competitive team sizes right around 6v6.

BF4 supports up to 64 players and is a train wreck so far.

If 6 v 6 in TitanFall is fun, engaging and server issue free I don't see ANY problem with it.

[Rainstorm81]

I agree my favorite MP game last gen was U2:AT MP....5v5 great balance great maps minimum camping and pure fun.

Player count never makes or breaks a MP game....but fun factor does

My biggest concern is the role the AI plays in winning or losing matches.... i think thats more key than player count

[Godmars290]

Yeah, guess that should be a concern. Going into a match where only one out of three enemies is a real player.

Edit@Dlacy13g:
You're talking about a game where the majority of players are "bots". That's one thing. Actual players stat out outnumbered and at the general mercy of AI competence on or against their side.

Another thing is if you can buy levels of skills or intelligence turning it into an instant play to win game. Rich players could sit back and watch their merc AI squad decimate poorer competition.

Edit II:
My question as a picky mech enthusiast who's not into Western mechs or FRS, is how many Titans can be on the field at once? How much, if at all, pilots can interact and customize their units in-between battles?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

why would you say that is a concern?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I think there is a fundamental miss-conception that Online FPS = Competitive Human Player FPS. I have always known there was AI combatants in TitanFall. They said it from the outset, and many outlets also talked about it. The final player count was however something that was not nailed down and was a "TBD". My two cents anyone shocked that their is AI in the game just didn't pay close enough attention to like 90% of all the early stories on this game.

[LightofDarkness]

I am frankly baffled at the apparent outrage at all of this. I don't know if it's genuine ignorance and stupidity or veiled attempts to downplay a game that's not currently on PS4, but it's just mind-numbing and embarrassing. This was discussed as a feature almost directly after the reveal. I've explained it about 10 times now that the AI are not bots, but people still keep saying it. The same people, too. Over and over. You can't tell them anything, they just keep harping on like it's political rhetoric. I can't understand why people can't just wait and see how it plays before sounding off about some perceived balance issues and/or lack of human players becoming an issue. Because how would you know? YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET.

[BattleTorn]

I knew there were going to be AI combatants all along too.

But I figured it was there way of always keeping the servers full.

And I didn't think it would be at the sacrifice of real player count.
-----------------------------
What requires more resources? AI or human player?

Cause Atm, we have;
12humans(6v6)
12titans(one to each of the 12players)
50-24=potentially 26 bots.

I'm kinda assuming there might also be a "deployable turret" that may count as a combantant - but I'll leave that out.

12Player, and 26 AI. Why not, 8v8, with 19 bots? 10v10 with 10bots?
Why more AI than human?

(my theory, AI is easier. More people like a game when they're good at it. Therefore they want people to have the rush of killing a person, at the ease of killing a bot. The naive will buy into it)

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

The AI are not replacing the lack of real player count. The AI would still be there if it was 32v32. The reason the game is 6v6 is because when they tested it, having more than 6v6 led to the game being to hectic and it loses its appeal. They said they will be taking feedback post launch into adding more players into each game.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

And there could be some truth in BattleTorn's theory. I do know the experience you get from killing AI vs Human is less so the reward/incentive to kill human players is higher.

[k3rn3ll]

Because AI are foot soldiers. Just like u but can't call in titans

[MassOnesumis]

This kind of reminds me of what happened with Operation Flash-point Dragon Rising before release. It was only 4v4 but each person had a squad of 4 AI but in the end it didn't work out.

I imagine Respawn is competent and what is best for their game.

[iamnsuperman]

To be fair Dragon Rising 's AI was bad. I liked the game (just a type of game I enjoy) but the AI was iffy at best

[CELLA]

i like to no how big are the maps and what kind of maps are they?

[lonewolfjedi]

Yeah cause the more bots oh excuse me A.I. the better the game right?

[christocolus]

Why do people keep going back to hammering on this issue? This game is going to be great. It has been playable since e3,gamescom , pax even the xbox one nation wide tour and the response so far has been very positive. Not one bad preview about this game. Alot of gamers and devs have tried it out and they all testified to how amazing the game was, so whats with all the drama? Does 6 vs 6 spoil the fun? If all those who played it enjoyed it so much then why are people still complaining? If gamers cant accept it the way it is,then they shouldnt buy it, wait for the sequel and stop all the negative comments.

@ newmonday,cyguration&all those complaining

Respawn never deceived anyone and brink was never played this much before release. How many people played brink prior to release? Did the gaming community get a feel of the game pre launch? and if they did was the feedback mostly positive?
People seem to forget that the hype for titanfall came from those who actually tried the game out at various events and loved it(press and gamers alike). Just stop bothering so much and let it be already.

[LightofDarkness]

I've played Titanfall. It's excellent, easily the best demo at the show (Gamescom). All of this complaining is pure ignorance and, frankly, stupidity. Because no matter how many times you correct them on factual errors or tell them to "just wait and see", they go straight into another post to spew the same nonsense. I'm sensing that their issue is not with Titanfall, but rather the platforms it's on. Or rather, the one it's NOT on...

[christocolus]

Thank you bro. Im so surprised that people would think they know better than the developer. Septic also played it and i remember a preview from pax the guy said he kept getting back in line to play the game again and again and that he realised he wasnt the only one doing it.many devs at various events also claim they enjoyed the game very much. One reporter said he didnt want to play anything else after playing titanfall. If vince choose 6 vs 6 then it must have been the best choice for the game.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The notion that some are throwing out about Respawn deceiving people is utterly absurd. This game has been hands on with not only media but consumers as well at events. Its been their testimonial that propelled this games hype train, not marketing. March cant come soon enough.

[LightofDarkness]

They're just fanboy trolls who are trying to stir up another pseudo-controversy connected to the Xbox One. Either that, or they are genuinely and dangerously unintelligent, because developers and commenters alike have debunked every little supposed issue and yet they can't seem to understand what they've been told.

[bobsmith]

lol if bf4 was 6 v 6 in 64 player online with 50 bots

[BattleTorn]

pfft, 50/64 BF4 players ARE bots - cause they drop like flies --- ooooooohhhh. :P

[cell989]

they make it sound like 50 different characters is a lot when in fact its average, try 64 real plyrs like BF4

[OC_MurphysLaw]

64 real players in a broken ass game =/= better. I love the BF series but BF4 has turned in to a train wreck for its first 4 months of existence. I would gladly cut the player count down and to smaller maps if that meant all the issues of that game would go away.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

I think XB1 is holding this game back some how.

[BattleTorn]

If anything is holding this game back, it's the Xbox 360 port.

[objdadon]

Well, no need for me to rush to get a xbox one! I'll just play it on the 360 and continue enjoying the ps4. I'm use to having both consoles but I just can't justify paying 500.00 to play one game. If I liked the other Microsoft exclusives I would but I don't. Titanfall looks more and more like it will just make me start playing ghosts again.

[jayz12381]

Fair play it adds to the experience. But it is also a sign of things to come, xb1 is not capable of giving the same end user (no cloud bull crap) experience as the ps4 facts are facts. 6v6 come on peeps u would be outraged for this on current consoles and ps vita lol its a funny old game as they say

[jayz12381]

Disagrees lol? Insecure muppets

[pop-voxuli]

Tits or GTF.... er wait a min, PS4 or GTFO!!

[EazyDuz22]

Damage control to Xbox One, take your fanboy pills and put your helmet on.

[rocky619619]

If there wasn't AI in the game and say the player cap is at 12v12 then this could mean there could potentially be 24 titans on the screen at once.

6v6 with AI is more flexible and I doubt AI will be able to call in their own Titans. This will mean that you will be in the Titan for longer and you wont die instantly from over 6 Titans shooting at you.

[kewlkat007]

Seems like the players whining are trolls not getting the game anyhow.

If 6x6 spoils it for you then go play battlefield or mag or some other game with godly amounts of players.. Cod will still be around for those not intersted.

No secret here..This game has been on show floors, won awards and respawn has updated us on what they have been doing.

[LetoAtreides82]

We've all seen the videos but no one apart from Respawn knew that 80% of the players were AI.

[LetoAtreides82]

This actually is worse than the news that it'd be limited to 6vs6. I don't know who would actually prefer to shoot at or be shot at by AI rather than other people. Almost 80% of the combatants are AI, that's ridiculous.

[urwifeminder]

Nice looking forward to it easier to get a good team together less players.

[Thomaticus]

This IP is going to sink before it even had a chance to swim.

[LogicStomper]

/s

(Yeah, you forgot it).

[YodaCracker]

Just like the original Gears of War sank with its 4 v 4 multiplayer? Ha!

[wannabe gamer]

whhhy would i want to play with 50 AI on a Mp game.......just wtf. i mean we need to see it and how it works yes but come on wtf still is all that comes to mind

[Brazz]

........damn!
12 players and like 12-38 A.I! This isn't looking good to me.

[Shakengandulf]

I wished this was coming to ps4, i'd certainly give it a try, Even more so with Ai being involved, sounds very interesting.

Not going to hate on something that i haven't tried and has been praised by people that have.
Can only hope my brother picks it up so i can try it at his place.

[Manubiggs]

Vince Zampella revolutionized multiplayer with COD. Give him the benefit of the doubt, he knows how to make multiplayer work. I remember a similar reaction when 3 main characters for GTAV was announced and that worked out well. Think outside the box.

[Simco876]

People complain about recycled yearly titles, but when something new and fresh comes out they complain.

You can't win with some people.

[HarryB]

Yeah they have alot of new ideas like if you lost a round you have to leave the map or get to an extraction point otherwise the winning team gets more xp. Also the same vice versa if your leaving to the extraction you get points for killing players too. But you have to leave the map. This is very interesting. So your killing shit even when the match or round is over.

Plus guys these guys invented mw2. Their ideas on maps and gameplay are outstanding.

Titanfall is smoother. Like when you jump and hop on walls its so smooth and the way everything is assigned youre not going to care if its 6v6. The action is always around its fast paced. Some players who played it said it had to be 60fps. The hud movements are perfect.

[beereal360]

I like 6 vs 6 because its hard to get good players on your team i dont want 50 camping players on any map if the A.I is playing toward goals then people cant really camp.

[wcas]

Think about it. Most of the time you will be shooting mindless AI bots. It will be ok and seem exciting at first but will get old quick. The appeal of PvP is that it is PvP. Killing bots takes away from this games staying power. It will be hot item at first and then the flame will begin to die down. MP just isn't the same with a ton of bots. You tube videos of, "look at my 100 kill streak of AI bots". Boring and unimpressive. Now do that against actual gamers, and that would be impressive.

[Bonerboy]

No amount of pertinent info will curtail the incessant whining of these imbeciles.

[Jeedai Infidel]

When did gamers become synonymous with whiny little bi*ches? We can't even let the devs finish their product without acting like spoiled brats that seem to NEED things the way our little self-absorbed minds expect them? If they make a shi*ty product, then we don't buy it. But shouldn't someone at least try the finished product before it gets condemned?

Forget all of that and answer the real question here, how many of us were actually (as in, we own or are planning to own an XB1) going to purchase this game? Because what I see here is people who feel slighted that a pretty prestigious company is putting a pretty prestigious game on your "enemies" console and you are playing offense trying to keep others from enjoying something you can't have. Petty, if that is the case, not to mention shameful, to say the least.

Here's what my definition of a real gamer does:
1. You let a game developer finish their product, and we let them know with sales that they did it right or wrong. Not based on assumptions, but either by renting and trying, or by going by a trusted journalist's word.
2. If a game comes out that you really want to play, and it's on a console that you don't own, you either buy the console to play the game, or you don't and hope it comes to the console that you do own. Trying to keep gamers from gaming their way is not cool, if what I perceive is happening that is.

If this kind of complaining becomes the norm, then you can expect to keep getting the same shooters over and over; I thought most gamers were tired of the same boring shooters, so when something different is announced, shouldn't we be more supportive? This same type of schism is why politics are such a mess. Damned if you do, damned if you don't has become the mantra of humanity for whatever reason.

[Bonerboy]

I concur my good man or madame, I say again, no amount of pertinent info will curtail the incessant whining of these imbeciles.

[Jeedai Infidel]

A shame, really, because if we put as much effort in heralding change and innovation as we do in our criticisms, game developers might actually feel more comfortable with creating unique experiences for us. Instead, the EAs and Activisions of the gaming world prefer to play it safe, while the small devs go unnoticed with the masses while trying to give us something new.

Everyone screams for change, but continue to fight to stay the same as ever. How boorish.

[hobbitooo]

so paying a full priced game for playing multiplayer only game n more than half of the enemies are bots.

if 6v6 is the sweet spot, then why add so many bots? if u can add so many bots, then why not add them as players instead? it doesnt make any sense.

[Jeedai Infidel]

I believe the "bots" have something to do with the campaign aspects of the gameplay that is mixed in with the multiplayer to trigger certain events.

I hope the level of confusion and uncertainty that this game is creating is an indication of how revolutionary this game is going to be, especially considering that if this game fails, then most likely so will Respawn.

[nutcrackr]

6 players, 18 bots per side. Not exactly something I was looking for in an online shooter.

[Jeedai Infidel]

"When people start playing Titanfall like Titanfall, the player count becomes a non-issue." -Justin Hendry, lead designer at Respawn.

Let's let the chefs finish the meal before we say we don't like it's texture.

[moujahed]

Exclusive huh? Microsoft can keep that. The AI is probably robots with human intelligence...* Lmfao till I piss myself*

[Jeedai Infidel]

If your asinine statement is any indication, pissing yourself is probably a common occurrence.

[moujahed]

I bet you get all the ladies with your witty behavior.

[EverydayGuy]

If it like MOBA, but FPS style I'm still interested.

[LaserEyeKitty]

Complainers: What 6v6! RAGE! I'm not going to buy this shit!

**months later upon release - with no change to the game**

Complainers at a retail: Yes...I'd like a copy of Titanfall please.

Face it, all you nitpickers will cave on your ideals of a 1000v1000 co-op the minute the game releases. Your complaints are on the level of a six year old threatening to run away if your parents won't buy you a toy.

[Oagoz]

Your name is LaserEyeKitty. And you call us 6?

[LaserEyeKitty]

Kittens with lasers will always be cool. Whiney gamers will not.

[wcas]

Most of the time you will be shooting mindless AI bots. It will be ok and seem exciting at first but will get old quick. The appeal of PvP is that it is PvP. Killing bots takes away from this games staying power. It will be hot item at first and then the flame will begin to die down. MP just isn't the same with a ton of bots. You tube videos of, "look at my 100 kill streak of AI bots". Boring and unimpressive. Now do that against actual gamers, and that would be impressive.

[Jihaad_cpt]

If they can have 12 people and 38 AI's why cant they just have 50 peoples on the map? It does not make any sense unless the AI functions differently to human players

[ITPython]

The devs of this game are clearly trying to introduce a COD killer, for obvious reasons.

IMO it's going to turn out a lot like the Halo killer, ie Killzone series. Lots of hype, may be fun, but will not quite reach the goals they wanted in terms of mass gamer adoption.

[Phoenix76]

The only other thing apart from low player count that could make this seem worse is if it turns out that the AI isn't cloud powered, but CPU powered only instead.

[spoonard]

Isn't it CPU's that power the cloud??

[Phoenix76]

Yes, but i was referring to the systems own on-board CPU and not the CPUs that control the cloud servers. After all, cloud tech is meant to work with xb1, what about thex360? I don't belive that, that system is cloud supported is it?

[spoonard]

The more players in the game running around in titans, the more they will have to scale back the graphics and resolution. It's already 720p/30fps. That's all the Xbone can push with the current player count and resolution. If you ask me, they are doing a fantastic job of obfuscating the fact that it's a technical limitation of the Xbone.

[spoonard]

The AI's most likely won't be titans. At least not all of them.

[Grown Folks Talk]

Seems like it's basically the same as playing the Halo campaign. You have standard soldiers running around fighting/dying alongside you. Difference here is that you have live opponents who can kill them.

[TruthfullySO]

I wonder if you can do all player vs bots lol 12 vs 38. I also wonder if we can control the level of difficulty of the AI?

[Dorwrath]

So many people judging a game that haven't played.

So many people judging a game they had no intention of buying anyway.

Pitiful

[Mills93]

I'd expect the AI to work similar to MOBA's grunts, from people that have played it have said it's great

[CELLA]

i play it too and its like a moba game ai can do thing that human players cant do in the game you will see when it comes out

[L4NCEYJSC]

Cant seem to find my way through all this smoke....OUCH just banged my head on a mirror.

[Oagoz]

Enjoy your exclusive. Combat Training must be fun.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

6/50
players / bots

This reminds me of MS's big DRM reveal and how you guys were lining up to defend it.

Is there nothing you guys won't do for xbox? How low will you go? Next you'll say 720p is fine for the next 8+ years?

[hankmoody]

Never mind that just about everyone who has played the game says it's an incredible experience. The only people bashing this game are those that are both misinformed and worried that the Xbox One has an exclusive that the PS4 can't answer back to just yet.

[CELLA]

i want people to stop talking about 6vs6
i just want to no if it has big maps and what kind of maps are there thats all

[Shane Kim]

This game looks boring as it is, but to be fair though, why would player count matter? A game isn't automatically better just because you have more players in it.

[AnotherGamer117]

I have a question about this game -> for those of us without fast connections how badly is this game going to lag. My concerns are:

1. MS exclusive so I assume that the cloud will be used to generate the AI for the bots
2. The speed of the battles they are referring to will be greatly influenced by the users internet.

Combining the 2, I am wondering how much of a load on a slower connection this game will have...

Even with dedicated servers hosting the matches a slower connection will still cause lag.

Has Respawn addressed this and I missed it?

[gedden7]

This game will be boaster HEAVEN!!!

The more I hear about the AI Bots the more I do not want to play this game. I play online shooters to against other people NOT bots. Bot are for practice not practice and playing the game at the same time in a "competitive" setting.

All I could think of is that the game is being rushed right after MS threw there money bags at Respawn...

[hankmoody]

I can practically feel the panting breath of those hoping that this game fails. It's kind of sad, really. It's weird how it almost seems like people want this news to be indicative of the Xbox One not being able to run this game at a higher player count or in other words being a generally weak system. I just can't understand how someone can read the official line from Respawn in regards to their design choices and still think that's the case.

I'm really not surprised that people are jumping all over this, like with anything else when your title is that high profile, people will scramble to knock you off the top of the hill.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

can you go full bots mode? or just friends vs bots??? i actually like bot modes XP

[Simco876]

Haters gonna hate no matter what is said.

[voodoogts]

People that complaine are the Sony fan boys that wishes its coming to the PlayStation. Just saying...

[S2Killinit]

so why fill the game with AI when their is ample room for all this? does that mean that the AI is taking the place of would-be players?

[bligmerk]

The funny part is most gamers still say this about most games, especially SP FPS.
"The AI *still* sucks!"

Now, all of a sudden, AI in Titanfall MP is just great, at least with the Xbox fanbois. Hilarious how they can turn on a dime on any view, as long as they view it as some advantage for the Xbox.

[r3f1cul]

respawn has this whole they created call of duty thing going for them and that is a very strong reputation so im just going to hope that they know whats best for the game they are trying to create, and if i dont like it when it comes out i'll do what i always do and not buy it... pretty simple really hope for the best but dont give them your money if it turns out for the worst... thats being a consumer 101 right there

[insomniacgamer]

Are people forgetting that this game has been played by not only journalist but by the general public as well? Everything I read from both professional and general gamer alike indicates nothing but how incredible it is. How intense it is and how you are constantly having it out in amazing ways with other players.

My assumption is the AI count is to give the battlefield a living feeling yet still not impede Player vs Player encounters. People bashing this title I believe do so because they are trumpeting the PS4 and not picking it up for either the PC or XB1. That really is sad because this new IP is shaping up to be incredible and everyone that has touched it sings its praise.

[bligmerk]

The only versions being shown and played are the 1080p PC version on high-end PC's along with PC netcode. Yeah, the PC experience is being described as very good.

Nobody commenting on the 720p version yet.

[insomniacgamer]

Good point but the player count is the same for both the PC and XB1 (direct from Respawn). The discussion here centers on that fact and not down-scaling graphics.

Major Nelson also confirmed that both platforms will be running at 60 fps so it will be a smooth experience that simply looks better on the PC, a statement you can make of nearly any game title ever made.

Oddly it will probably be further upscaled to 1080p and although not as pretty as native it still is good for me. I own both the PS4 and XB1 as well as a decent gaming rig so I am not trying to sound biased, I just am excited for the game regardless of the platform.

[RDOUBLE]

The reason I think it is 6 v 6 is because the Marvins(bots) do not have jets packs only the player pilots do. This would explain why 6v6 could work, bots on ground for titans and pilots playing vertically.