The steam machines could really tempt gamers away from their consoles, argues PCR Online in an opinion piece.
More like a nibble.
Yep. Especially with that price in the UK. Add to that you need Windows to get most of the games PS4, XB1 will be getting. SteamOS is not going to be getting all big dev supporting it instantly early on IMO like PS4 & XB1 already have. That's probably the biggest reason it wouldn't have that much traction apart from the higher entry price.
They won't even take a nibble lol...
The consoles well sell essentially how much they're gonna sell. Steam box won't effect it by more than .01%
I think this is more a threat to the PC market more precisely windows, If it can gather enough steam (excuse the pun) an operating system on PC architecture designed with pure gaming in mind could turn out to be lot less hassle and far more efficient. Time will tell but if it takes off I will be more than interested in buying one.
Why worry about the Steambox if your happy with your PS4 XB1 great, but most mature gamers like choice. I myself own most consoles upto this gen now my son and I have went full circle and back to PC gaming till something else interesting comes along now this might be it or not but knowing Steam (Valve/Gabe) might give it a go.
ps4,X1 have NO threat steam come steam evaporate like OUYA no dev will back them up.
Ouya has over 500 games, exclusive titles, a recently released limited edition version and a new updated version is on the horizon. It also got picked up by several big retailers. Most "Internet gamers" are completely ignorant of the new market.
lol @ Ouya being vaporware. I know a lot of people that have one. And the games catalogue is quiet large compared to either new console. And no dev will back them up? That is how ignorant you are. Anyone that makes a game for the PC automatically "backs them up" and since the PC is the lead platform since the games are all made on a x86 for x86 consoles there are going to be a lot "back up" from the devs. If the Steammachine launched today the amount of games on steam that are both controller enabled and linux supported dwarf what is available on either console.
lol @ people trying to make it seem like Ouya is a success.
"Anyone that makes a game for the PC automatically "backs them up" and since the PC is the lead platform since the games are all made on a x86 for x86 consoles there are going to be a lot "back up" from the devs" - Not really it's not like Windows = Linux or that major pubs like EA, Ubisoft, 2K have announced their upcoming games are coming to SteamOs. So no atm they are not getting "backed up". "If the Steammachine launched today the amount of games on steam that are both controller enabled and linux supported dwarf what is available on either console" - That may be true but it doesn't hide the fact 80%+ or more of those games are indies and not everyone plays indies none is it primary front for the majority of console which Steam machines are supposed to bite from.
So what ARE the Ouya's sales, MCG, Json? You two talk as if it's a big success. You speak like all those games are driving its sales into something significant. But what are the sales numbers for the Ouya? Do they even remotely approach a number that could distantly be called "significant?" Hell, you can't even find any exact numbers for the thing; I read an estimate of 154,000 as of June or July. Is that successful to you guys? Would those numbers for the Steamboxes be a threat to generation 8 consoles? The Steambox- regardless of which one- faces many of the same problems as the Ouya, PLUS it's not as cheap. There's still the issue of an actual market(since it seems to be inbetween the console and PC markets, which can't be too many people), and there aren't any exclusives that would make it worth buying over other platforms. So where does this confidence in the system come from?
A nibble at best. You make the point of your friend not understand the point because "I'd argue your average console gamer doesn't want to put that much effort into buying a new system. They want a gaming powerhouse that will play the best games straight out of the box. They don't want to research power supplies or spend hours wiring up parts" Yet you forget there are 13 different companies with some making several different versions. That is very confusing for the guy who doesn't want to "spend hours wiring up parts". Hell you can get someone else to build A PC for a similar price but it does the PC part (unlike the steam box's which is only a games machine) Also "Scan's NC10 steam machine is the only one built in Britain and starts from £699 - a price tag that could really tempt some of the console gamers with a bit more disposable income but no next-gen console as of yet" Didn't work that well for the PS3. The PS3 was only selling at around 400 to 500 at the time. Look the bite is going to be incredible small. They have tried to enter the market but without the risks (getting third parties to manufacter them so they take the risk). Like Scottish independence it doesn't work like that
Only the Xbox fanboy that refuses to buy a PS4 would be interested in this. PC gamers already own a PC (Which that's all the Steam machine is, in a SteamOS.) PS4 gamers wouldn't want to pay more for less return. Sony knocked it out of the park with that price point.
And how do you figure only Xbox "fanboys" would be the only one's interested in buying these? I don't think anyone is going to be interested in these things with the prices that's floating around for one of those consoles? I agree this isn't geared toward PC gamers at all but neither Sony or MS fans will want these steamboxes either.
I am the exact opposite. I have a PS4, no intention of ever buying an X1, but will be buying a Steam Machine.
from JasonHenry "I know a lot of people have OUYA that have one. and the game catalog is quiet larger" if this is remotely true why has'nt any website made a online report "how massive Ouya catalog is" OUYA is like ONLIVE over looked and unknown= dead on arrival, STEAM-OS will follow. DREAMCAST will be at the funeral. if not dead give few months no one will hear about it again.
Steam is testing the waters, how big the splash will be is anyone's guess. Although the current pricing seems like it might be a little splash.
Steam itself was prophesied to have a doomed future but look at it now. Steam machines might not make giant splashes but it will have a noticeable presence. Valve main business is the PC so it knows that total success doesn't come overnight or over several weeks like consoles. Consoles are expected to sell millions of unit, fast and constantly. Otherwise it'll be disastrous(pre-PS4 PS Vita and Wii-U come to mind). In contrast, PCs are designed for the slow, long run. Just like how Steam first appeared and I expect Steam Machines would be the same.
It'll go the way of the Dreamcast. Mark my words.
How can they? They're just computers lol.
I think they're banking on their 65million user base but it doesn't work that way unfortunately
Steam Box has the potential to evolve the console market as we know it.
At £699 I just can't see the value. The specs really aren't that impressive to justify double the price of a PS4. I'd rather build my own PC for less, with more power and hook it up to my TV if that's what you want. And you can get some very small well designed cases nowadays. obviously not as small as a 'set top box' but ones that wouldn't look too monstrous in a living room. I was excited when Steam machines were first announced, but for £699 I was hoping for more.
They do need a cheaper option in the UK if that is the cheapest available. I feel like it would have a better chance if it competed directly with the X1 in pricing while trouncing all consoles in terms of power, uses, and customization.
I'm extremely keen on the idea of one. I haven't quite got the motivation to upgrade my PC which it is starting to need so for me it is a great option to have something pre built and an 'open system' as i enjoy upgrading with the times. It's going to come down to the games supported on steam OS, can you use a keyboard and a mouse as some games I do like to use. Here's a list of the machines and their specs mate http://arstechnica.com/gami... The Material.net looks good to me £670
From what I've seen so far I doubt it.
I have not pc gamed in 8 yrs since ps3 but have to admit I am interested in the steam machine at maybe the £700/800 price point. Don't think it will hinder console sales though more like Microsoft gaming Windows OS side of things imo Ps4/vita owner btw
Can these steam machines play movies, music, look at photos or do 2-4 player? No? Well it's not a CONSOLE now is it...
Why can't it do any of that?
I think the term console is used just because it fits in with it's aimed competition level. I'd put them into the home computer system segment that used to exist ie. Sinclair Spectrum, C64, Atari 800/XE, Amiga, Atari ST etc. They were all home games orientated but had the accessibility for gamers to do lots of other things too.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but if you aren't, none of those things are essential on a console.
But it is important if you want to take a bite out of the console market. One of the reason consoles do so well today is because people other than hardcore gamers buy them fore their multi media functions.
The biggest feature of a console is split-screen, Now can the SteamMachine do that? No...
The main problem is hardware fragmentation, already there are multiple steam boxes all with different configurations and that's before AMD GPU's are supported. It's still more cost/time efficient for developers to make games for the fixed hardware consoles.
exactly, tho i would like to try their weird steam gamepad and how the touchpads work with fps games.
Cost effective? THEY ALREADY ARE MAKING PC VERSIONS OF THESE GAMES! There is ZERO extra R&D!!!!!
I like how fans segregate Steambox into the "console" camp, as if it isn't entirely a PC. First, you can install SteamOS on any x86-64 compliant system. You may very well be able to install SteamOS on PS3 with older firmware. Boom: a Your PS3 is a Steambox. Second, you can install any OS on a Steambox. Steambox requires x86-64 compliance. You can install Windows, MacOS, a modified SteamOS, Linux and even AndroidOS. Third, any Steambox is fully upgradable. Sony and Microsoft fanboys are rabid: they'll praise the benefits of not having to upgrade while buying a SSD for their PS4. Think of it this way: when you upgrade hardware on an open platform, you're upgrading ALL of your games. No need to pay for the "4K Edition." The distinction between PC and consoles really needs to stop. Consoles are just locked-down, closed-source PCs that only support the manufacturer's proprietary software. Sony even has their "consoles" categorized as computers to avoid taxes in Europe. It's a meaningless term for what is essentially a PC.
I'm ambivalent to Steamboxes / SteamOS, but I think a couple of your arguments don't hold water. You _may_ be able to install SteamOS on an old PS3, but it would do you no good as access to the GPU is massively restricted. Why buy a Steambox if you're going to install another OS. That just adds the cost of Windows to your purchase price. There would be no guarantee or evidence you could install a recent version of any MacOS. A Steambox may be upgradable, but most are small form factor cases. Put a more powerful GPU / CPU inside and suddenly you're having to deal with hugely different heat issues from the original hardware. Seems more hassle than it's worth. Anyone who has built an mATX machine or other SFF will know that heat is a pain in the backside. I've not tried the SteamOS, so don't know how locked down it is... But one of the key points PC gamers make is that a PC has much more functionality than a console, so justifies a higher price - but what they really mean is that Windows gives them many more features in terms of non-gaming software. SteamOS may be open, but that still restricts people to Linux apps, which are generally inferior or less supported than Windows / Mac equivalents - and not all Linux apps work on all flavours of Linus, so if SteamOS is a fork of another version it may be even more limited. Seems to me that Steambox is not a console or PC in the traditional sense - so I don't know why people would go for it, when a gaming PC is likely a better option for 99% of people. I don't know anyone who would benefit from one vs a console OR Windows PC. They don't offer better value or functionality than a PC.
Also will the Nvidia based Steam machines have support for Nvidia's new G-sync? (if you have a G-sync monitor that is) And the AMD ones 'Freesync' and Mantle. I'd assume some will such as the cyberpower as that features an R9 270. Theres lots to learn about these machines. Does anyone know if you can hook up a keyboard and mouse to them?
Steamboxes are just Linux PCs that boot into Steam's Big Picture mode. Yes, you can use a kb&m in the official SteamOS. Even if it didn't, you can use a third-party variant like "Ye Olde SteamOSe," or any standard Linux distro and install Steam.
I don't think so...
All I can say is LOL at all the people comparing Steam Machines to consoles.... But really it is just a PC with a bad operating system that cannot play DX games. Linux has an extremely limited library of games and if you thought driver support was fun on windows, oh just you wait for windows. And to run linux effectively you better have some sort of intensive computer knowledge if something goes wrong because when something goes wrong on linux it goes wrong in a very big way. Overall it is just a shambles of an operating system.
> But really it is just a PC with a bad operating system that cannot play DX games. If you think that's bad, check out the PS4. It's not compatible with previous Playstation games AND it doesn't support x86 games. According to Metaritic, PS4 has 16 games with a score 75 or higher. Steam has 97 games with a score of 75 or higher. PS4 is another closed-source, proprietary software-only, locked-down system. Your next favorite multi-platform is 900p/30? Oh well. PS5 not compatible with PS4 games? Oh well. Want to play 4K? Not for another 5-10 years and $500. Want one-click mods? Oh well. Want mouse and keyboard support? Oh well. Want a software feature not included? Oh well? Want support beyond a year after PS5? Oh well. There's a reason Android and iOS instantly and completed extinguished all those crappy, proprietary, closed phone OSes.
Already have a PC more powerful than the UK steam machine. Nice assumption though on your part bro. Yeah but see those games on steam are all DX compatible games and using a metric as a rating system for good games? I don't even know why I am bothering to reply to such a simpleton. There goes your whole paragraph about consoles fella. I will be able to play steam machine games on my PC thanks. Sorry but linux is a terrible OS for compatibility, good luck getting drivers for your peripherals/anything on there.
Reminds me when Direct3D was introduced in '95. Most didn't think it had a chance in the 3D gaming environment - mainly because it wasn't transportable. OpenGL was in full force, then came 3DFX which was the big wow of real 3D gaming but as of today if you lost the ability to play Direct3D API games it would be far smaller than not being able to play openGL games. I don't remember PS3 users having to have intense computer knowledge or of course all the Apple users.
Lol @ so much fail. :D This made my day.
You guys miss a big thing about the Steam Machine. It can be anything the user wants it to be. If I am about to upgrade my PC. I can buy this and stick it under my TV, do work, watch shows, play games at a lot less expensive than the consoles.
Here is the problem with the steam box in my humble opinion. I own an XB1,PS4,Wii U and a (Very Good) Gaming PC. What is my motivation to buy one when I already Own a gaming rig? People who have entry level gaming PC's may bite but anyone who has spent serious coin on their PC probably wont.
With them introducing so man boxes and the fact that smart people know they can build their own "steam machine" way cheaper... their "bite is more like a crumb out of a huge cookie
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