PS3's Cell three times more powerful as the Xbox 360 processor?

This summer Sony created a training website for Canadian Wal Mart employees. After logging in, Sony marketing spin quotes can be found while employees read, learn & test their PS3 knowledge. Here's the real gem:

"Welcome to your PS3 Retail Online Training. We trust that you will find the following information valuable and assist you in understanding and explaining PS3 Technology to your customers and staff. … The Cell Processor is essentially as powerful as 3 Xbox 360 CPU's or 35 PlayStation® 2 CPU's"

On the opposite side stands Silicon Knights president Denis Dyack who says "To developers, they look even."

[kingboy]

Nice one mate.we can fire each other tonight lol!let the party begin

[uuuunvnv2]

the head line is PS3’s Cell three times more powerful as the Xbox 360 processor?
but the 360 has 3 processor's. which is why its a wash............

[marionz]

how could this trash actually pass as news??? supa learn to post actual news next time not rubbish from sonys gutter

[Shin_Akakage]

Back when the PS3 propaganda machine first started this exact same story about ps3 being 3xtimes power of x360 and 35 times that of ps2. So someone adds the Silicon Knights comments to it...and now its a new news story? Too many developers have shot this down for it even to be considered news anymore. While PS3 does have more raw processing power, this 3x the power of x360 cpu is just flat out ridiculous. The difference between the two consoles is not as significant as the difference between xbox and ps2. All this article is going to do(has already done it) is cause a fanboy flame war. 3x the power...yeah right! Then why don't games look 3x as good?

[dantesparda]

Cores! dude! cores! it has 3 cores, on one processor.

[shotty]

Yeah and I want to see how long that last befor microsoft sues sony.

[MoonDust]

I see that too.

[Donkey Slayer]

It's been such an entertaining month :)

[rj81]

the console wars never cease to entertain!

[Scythesean]

So what is the problem here? This is old news we already knew the Cell was more powerful.

[DEIx15x8]

If you do the Sony math this article says that the 360 is more powerful then the cell. Sony uses the statement that the cell is 10 times more powerful than the PS2. By that logic:
10 PS2 = 1 PS3
30 PS2 = 3 PS3
35 PS2 = 3 360
11.66666666667 PS2 = 1 360
So there you have it by Sony's own reports the 360 is 1.6+ PS2s more powerful than the PS3. HAH!!
Sony should really think about getting on the same level when it comes to information. There company is as disconnected as there online plan.

[Joe Schmoe]

Go to playbeyonds site and click the first link and just listen he says that the cell broadband engine is 40 times faster than the PS2 not 10. You fanboys are retarded. If you would talk to anyone with a computer back ground ask them what the future of computing processors is. It will come back a unanomous decision of the cell.

[dantesparda]

What kind of retarded math is that? And the Xenon other than the fact that its a triple core, has a rather usual Power series design, except its in-order which makes it far inferior to their standard Power series processors which are OoOE (out-of-order-execution). But so isnt the Cell. The only thing that i can see that save these processors from the fact that they are in-order processors is the fact that most of the code will be predictable, as opposed to the unpredictability of what a person is going to do on a PC processor.

[NextGen24Gamer]

If you infect the sales people...you then infect society...But the only problem with Sony's plan is when gamers see both consoles running side by side in walmart...they will look at the store reps like they are stupid when they say..."well sir, the ps3 cell is 3 times as powerful as the 360's.." But then the customer says..."but why does the 360 games look better sir?"... Ha ha ha ha ha...As the walmart employee frantically searches his Sony manual sweating up a storm. "I'll take the 360 thankyou". You can't fool my eyes with your mumbo jumbo buddy". Thanks Microsoft for always keeping it real. Under promise and Over deliver.

[DEIx15x8]

You forgot the fact that if a sales rep says "Cell" to any average gamer or parent they will just look at them confused. Nobody that doesn't read gaming news knows what the cell is, they all know what a processor is though (probably not what a core is though, although that term seems to be getting pretty well known).

[THWIP]

This is Wal-Mart we're talking about. Intelligent consumers don't ask Wal-Mart employees about ANYTHING....ESPECIALLY not electronics. They are, historically, the dumbest, laziest, most indifferent employees on the planet.
Secondly, if you were told that, and then saw the games comparisons, you'd have to be an EQUALLY stupid waste of DNA to believe that load of crap.

It's all theory, Sony...the proof is in the pudding. As of right now, with Gears of War being the best looking console game in HISTORY...your pudding is looking rather generic, and a tad thin.

[highps3]

Youd think Gears of War would get most of these losers away from the forums for a bit but i guess it just isnt that good. Forums are better apparently lol..

[Deceased]

Dork, I am at work and waiting to get off to play GOW. But right now I am typing a response to your loser a$$.

[power of Green]

Most shops don't have Gow yet FOOL!. #7.2 he's a kid you can tell by his reasoning.

[Scythesean]

Yes he's a kid because you can get that from him typing a short sentence.... What happened you two cut school today and found out your local store didn't have you game yet? Must suck for you, but keep up the sony bashing it shows your IQ level on a scale of "1 to I just sh9t pants again".

[power of Green]

So if i dont post i'll be smarter?, then in that case you shouldn't post at all, have you read this guy's posts(#7.1). Move alongggg.

[power of Green]

The PS2 was super duper also.

[TheMART]

Hahaha like the PS2 would be 10 times as powerfull as the Dreamcast or XBOX

RIGHT

Sony's lying machine instead of Sony's marketing they should name it

[synLamont]

WTF are you talking about....you lost me

[Deceased]

So thats how they executed the dreamcast, lying, lying, lying. God I hate sony, why can't they let the product sell itself, instead of teaching the employees to lie to the consumer. It should say the PS3 processor is 3 times more powerful at calculating how much cancer i have in my right lung.

[Sexius Maximus]

Even Microsoft has said the Cell is a great all purpose chip. It's just not that great as a gaming chip. Any chip that is used to power cell phones can't possibly be good for high end gaming. They're talking about the CHIP, not the SYSTEM.

[Scythesean]

Yeah man, with gow out this is what I would be doing with my spare time. Ranting on a PS3 topic....wait I don't care for gow I'm getting a PS3 so that explains me. So why all the 360f@gs heating up the sony topics?

I know that nice new game isn't as fun or have you already beat the short story mode and no one is online yet because all your friends are still in school?

[Sexius Maximus]

Some Gamestops and EB Games aren't getting the game until tomorrow. And everywhere else (walmart, best buy etc.)won't have them until the 12th. But if it makes you feel important and big to make fun of the more intelligent gaming community, you go ahead and knock yourself out....douche.

[MoonDust]

You are a Moron! The game is not out in most places till tomorrow.Open you mouth without knowing, just like your mom, always opening your mouth.

[Scythesean]

Did I hurt your wittle feeling? Yes the "the more intelligent gaming community" and who is the ring leader of your cult? Tom Cruise maybe?

A big man would have replied back with out insults to show his higher lever of maturity but you two have just proven something. That 360 fans can't see past the pubic hairs on billy boys twisted thin....well you get the point. To see how immature they really are.

[power of Green]

You have issues get some help man! the PS3 isn't a family member. WoW hours of playing PS2 has fried your mind you're a emotional mess.

[Geohound]

that certainly sounded like a mature statement.

[InMyOpinion]

Hmmm...scythe. At least they have a better game than yours to play. They play GOW while you play the waiting game lol! Next gen begins to look old in March 2007!

[crazyman]

"A big man would have replied back with out insults to show his higher lever of maturity but you two have just proven something"

um well that shows how mature you are you havent yet learn't to count, there were 3 not 2

[PS360PCROCKS]

I can't get my copy til tomorrow so I have to fill the void with this, because no game now has my interest like GOW does...Oh and this is bull, this is complete and utter lying on the part of Sony, why is they can do things that seem illegal and get away with it? I mean come on!? It's 3 times as powerful as the 360? please, give me a break. Not to mention here's how it will go down in wal-mart to..."Oh no sir you don't want the Xbox 360, you want the PS3 it's 3 times a powerful, $200 more, would you like me to give you an IOU?" Their tactics are rediculous, fuc* Sony

[The great 1]

I can feel your desperation Xbox fanboy, as i was reading your post i almost had a feeling like you were yelling and screaming this like a nerd about to burst into tears because his head can't comprehened what is happening and he knows he's wrong, no fanboy fuk MS! If i wanted 2 be in league with a Xbox fanboy i'd say well MSD are not fair competitors because they are crap and fighting all they do is give a billion bucks 2 take over a company something as crap as that u know, but anyway they can't beat Sony fair and square lol ahahhahahaha!

[PS360PCROCKS]

wtf? I just stated the truth you moron, Sony is giving out IOU'S and telling people it's 3 times as powerful...uh in my mind that's lying and cheating, so your a fool to try and talk crap to me...if you don't agree with what sony's doing talk to them don't talk to me you idiot, anyways I'll be playing ps3 on the 17th cause my friend has a pre-order...so xbox fanboy? I think not...I like games, not consoles, my name is indicative of the fact that yes I do indeed love my 360, what's wrong with liking something you spent $400 on?

[Cyclonus]

Isn't it a little bit late to be measuring console p3nis length? We've been over this, and over this, and over this; no, it isn't "3 times more powerful", its CPU is marginally better than the 360, but its GPU is moderately weaker than 360's...

So how many fuucking times do we have to revisit this before you sony c0ckf@gs get it?

Oh, and it's funny how the best-looking game of this year, Gears of War(by a W I D E margin)is on the supposedly "weaker" console...

I LOL @ Resistance.

[Raist]

I had a look at the latest GoW video, and it sure looks nice.

But what the hell is that crappy blur effect on distant objects ?
I mean it's ok for a FPS, kinda logical, but for a 3rd person game it's just horrible.

Ho and i really laughed at the bullet impacts that vanish after 10 secs, that's sure a next gen effect xD

[Scythesean]

It's also a second year game! With a hand full of SMALL multiplayer maps and only 8 players online!

You would think they could do so much more seeing as how it's a 2nd year game.

RFOM has 40player online HUGH Mulitplayer maps and plenty of them. It may not be a beautiful as gow but atleast it is going to be fun as hell and a lot more friends to join the fun. Also it's a launch title...

[power of Green]

So it's GoW that's got you guy's so angry no need to vent on the posters. By the way Gow isn't a FPS just wanted to point that out because it renders your opinion NULL(makes you look like a complete idiot) if you cant even get the genre right.

[Optimus Prime]

did you see the reviews for it douchebag? didnt think so. you are wishing that RFOM will be better, that it will beat it in every aspect. RFOM will just be like killzone as gears of war is to halo. you guys are thinking that RFOM is going to demolish GOW, but just like killzone, it wont live up to the hype you sony fanboys are giving it. and have fun with the lag that is going to be on RFOM

[Sexius Maximus]

You do realise you used the term [email protected] you're wanting a mature debate? WOW, if that's not hypocritical, I don't know what is. Go cry to mommy you little school girl...douche

[D R Fz]

But by the reviews of it so far, i'm still getting my ps3. I haven't started playing yet because i'm still on the campus, but i did read the review from gamespot, a trusted site, and the guy who reviewed the game stated,

"The game also runs at a very steady frame rate during gameplay. The cutscenes, however, are rendered in real time, and when the action really gets heated in some of the sequences, the visuals chop up."

Now I know that the the 512mb memory in the 360 helped to get the beautiful graphics, but maybe if the 360 had a cell, then we wouldn't have these problems. However, since it does not, its always going to be an issue. That is why i know, in a couple of months, when gears of war graphics are standard on the ps3, i won't have to worry about chopped graphics because the cell processor can handle it.

That's one of the reasons why i know the ps3 is well worth it because while games like gears of war are already pushing the limits of the 360, it is only the beginning for the ps3. The limits are endless but before i continue, im going home to play some gears of war tonite and i'll let you know my experience. I just hope on my 55 inch hd tv, it won't chop up like it did for the gamespot reviewer.

[BOOSTIN]

the ps3 will never be all it can be because of the simple fact that the ps3 has half the memory, one fifth the bandwith and a weaker GPU. the cell means NOTHING without enough memory and a good GPU.

[Aeroglyphics]

So if that's true then your 360 can't either because it's got nowhere near the amount of space that blu-ray gives you. I think GOW looks fantastic, but I'm intelligent enough to know why it's only 8 hours of gameplay. That's the trade off, if you want the great looking textures that your not going to get the space on a DVD for 20+. I'll tell you want though it might possibly be the best looking game i've ever seen, but i just can't justify spending $70 for 8 hours, since i don't really like multiplayer as a whole.

[BOOSTIN]

does multiple discs ring a bell? enchanted arms was almost released on 2 discs but the game was rushed. there will be multiple disc games for the 360. so why do i need a blu ray player again?? and its 12 hrs long. also thats on easy. on the insane setting it takes 3 times as long as stated in a review.

[Raist]

Not sure you were replying to me (i guess you were), but i never said that gow is an FPS, you'd better read carefully, it makes you look like a complete idiot.

I said that this blur effect is logical for an FPS when you focus on close objects (like COD3), BUT for a 3rd person shooter (like GoW) it's a complete nonsense and it looks horrible.

[scriptkiddie]

Is it also in the manual that with the PS3 you will have to load the game on the hard drive because of the slow transfer rate of the Blue-Ray player, or did they forget to put that part in.

[Donkey Slayer]

Proof:
PGR3 loading video:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And there are other 360 games that take longer.. ES:IV for example

Of course, I also wish I didn't have to buy only MS branded HDD's as well.. 20GB for $100 MSRP! It's great to have a choice with the PS3 on that as well :)

Oh and I'm sure somebody will click "disagree" even with the proof in the video before them, lol Fanboys are so pathetic but without them the day wouldn't be as entertaining ;)

[InMyOpinion]

I think loading times are usually the developers fault, not the machine's. Bethesda are known to be "sloppy" programmers, not that there's anything wrong with Oblivion but it sure has it's glitches. PGR was one of the first games for the 360 and I think some of the early Ps3 games will have long loading times as well. It was the same case with the Xbox and Ps2. Early games have longer loading times...

[AuburnTiger]

Damn Slayer, I had no idea loading times was that bad for PGR3, wow.

And your right absolutely right, people still disagreed with you even though you showed the video. unbelieveable

[Cyclonus]

And Scythesean, you wanna talk about mature? Here, lemme quote you:

"So why all the 360f@gs heating up the sony topics?"

Mature, huh?

I've never seen so much paniced fanboy FUD in my life, LOL!

You little sony boys are just frightened that Gears of War makes your wittle PwayStashun Twee look like the over-priced Piece Of Sh/t that it is.

Hey Sony fans, look here:
http://i99.photobucket.com/...

Fhuckers.

[InMyOpinion]

LOL! You must be the most aggressive poster on this forum. Bateman would be proud!

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Overpriced? I think you are in for a rude awakening:

$399 Xbox360 premium + $199 HD-DVD addon = $598
Almoust the price of the future proof 60GB PS3. Xbox 360 sadly still lacks Wi-Fi, HDMI and offers only a 20GB HDD.
If you don’t care about Wi-Fi and can live with a smaller HDD, you can buy the 20GB PS3, which offers exactly the same what Xbox360 with HD movie playback offers, but for almoust $100 less and unlike 360 it’s future proof.

$399 Xbox360 premium + $199 HD-DVD addon + $99 Wi-Fi = $697
Still not future proof, no HDMI and no 60GB HDD, but costs almost $100 more, what a ripp off.

And have fun letting MS screwing you with their HDD. $99 for a 20GB HDD haha that's just too funny, PS3 buyers get 40GB for $49 haha

Over 60 seconds loading times in PGR3? Haha and MS fanboys are dissing some PS3 games that load 15 seconds, haha that's just too funny. Fanboys in denial haha

[Cyclonus]

Guess what? You don't have to purchase the HD-DVD add on, IT'S OPTIONAL.

If you want a PS3, Sony is forcing you to buy their unproven Blu-Ray format. You don't have the choice.

So, your "argument", if one could be so generous as to call it that, utterly fails.

[InMyOpinion]

I'd pay 600$ for the Ps3 if it had GOW...but it does'nt. It has Resistance: Full of man, the game that will win prices for its disgusting art direction. Space aliens and 1940's soldiers dropped into something that looks like a brown/gray filtered version of Bosnien/Hercegovina anno '93. Who designed it?!

[Deceased]

As announced today you do not need HD-DVD or Blu-Ray to play HD movies on the 360, you can RENT them off xbox live, so take off the HD-DVD drive bud. Now the PS3 price don't look so hot now does it.

[testerg35]

WTF is "future proof". That mean Sony won't come out with another console ever? So if Blu-ray fails, can I switch out the blu-ray with an HD-DVD or whatever becomes standard? So does that mean that there won't be a faster processor than the Cell ever? Sorry... just hate that damn term.

[marionz]

man ur in denial, and sony fans are scared that emergance day is gonna screw over sonys launch, and it will, sony fanboys get out of the gutter and stop pulling out rubbish stories just to try and make the ps3 sound worth it, im sure the ps3 will go the way of the dreamcast

[4me2]

If HD movies are on average 20G where you go save it?
And then how many movies you actually can own?
Downloadable content is still a future. How long it will take to download 20GB HD movie?

[DJ]

I'm surprised. It's been a year and a half, yet a lot of these guys still can't believe the PS3 is significantly more powerful. The evidence is there, but some of these guys will never be convinced; they're too far into denial.

Instead, they rely on rumors and post those rumors as fact, then call Playstation owners liars when real data is posted in order to disprove those rumors. It's a never-ending cycle. A lot of false spec sheets/formulas claim that the RSX only has the tech of a 6800, others claim that the RSX AND Cell were downgraded, or that the RSX has ALUs (Sir Nathaniel posted that one yesterday); it's all hopeful speculation by Sony haters.

[marionz]

FANBOY sh1t

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Just more lies from Sony. Different day, same sh!t and quite frankly I believe the 360 is slightly more powerful than the ps3 simply because of more memory and unified memory architecture. And anyone who believes the ps3 is 3 times more powerful than the 360 is either a sony fanboy, ignorant, or plain stupid.

Alien- Somebody lied to you. Gears of War is a 360 exclusive and besides the ps3 isnt capable of running such a triple A game due to having only 256mb of memory.

[UNREAL-T]

dude that was funny, but go f!@# urself!

by the way i have a question for u guys

is gears of war coming out on ps3?

if i'm wrong don't blame me i'm just asking.
cause somebody told that they had a demo of GOW on ps3 and it looked good.

[Cyclonus]

Didn't you hear? PS3 can't run Gears of War:

(Mark Rein):
"Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? “256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB."
http://www.siliconera.com/i...

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Good post cyclonus.

I had been looking for that link for a while now because sony fanboys have been repeatedly saying "Hey like o my gosh what are you talking about the RSX can use all 512mb of the systems ram. PWNED!!!" and now I can shut them up.

lol

[InMyOpinion]

No, but Sony ran their demos on a 360 covered with a blanket last E3...I guess the Ps3 would get overheated.

[TheMART]

"cause somebody told that they had a demo of GOW on ps3 and it looked good. "

HAHAHAAAAAA

that's how stupid Sony fans are

[DJ]

It's common knowledge that the RSX has access to all 512 MB of memory in the PS3, so his statement that the PS3 only has 256 MB shows his lack of knowledge on that subject. Tim Sweeney (Epic's CEO) is a lot more trustworthy since he's lead programmer.

[DEIx15x8]

I'm surprised. It's been a year and a half, yet a lot of these guys still can't believe the 360 is significantly more powerful. The evidence is there, but some of these guys will never be convinced; they're too far into denial. - Wow it's amazing how changing one word in DJ's comment can fit so perfectly.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You are a complete sony fanboy idiot. Just because someone who is developing a game for a ps3 told you the truth about your beloved consoole that you worship on a daily basis dont try to bash him. How in the world can you believe sony over someone who is actually developing for the console. The fact of the matter is ps3 has only 256mb of memory while 360 has 512mb. I know its hard sony fanboy but got to face the truth. Now go cry in a corner.

[testerg35]

I don't have a problem if they said the Cell processor was a bit faster than 360s, but to say "3x faster". WTF.. and then people who think themselves intelligent on this forum (ie: Sony fanboys) agree with this sh!t.

[ApocalypseShadow]

how many science teams are using xenon for anything?yes.that's right:ZERO!no one is.how many are using cell for other things besides just being in a game system?too many to count.xenon is only good for 360.but that's about it.ibm built it.do you see them using it.NOT AT ALL!shows how powerful it is.but they're using cell.hmmmmm...which is more powerful again?

[DEIx15x8]

So you're saying that the Cell is built for science and the Tri-Core (Xenon is the GPU, custom made by the way, not a stock on like the PS3's) was built with the purpose of being a gaming processor. I totally agree with you. If only Sony would think like you and realize that a gaming purpose processor is better for gaming than an all purpose processor.

[DTForever]

You know what the funny thing is about the Microsoft "junk"box ?? It's not better than the PS3 in any way. You know why ?? Cause even the richest man in the world, who could've made it the most powerful gaming machine that ever existed, for some reason didn't do that, otherwise there would be no debate. Gotta wonder why he did that don't ya think ?? He's got more money than SONY...a full staff of brillant minds...oh yeah, and a product that's not as good...period. The facts/specs prove this and so will the marketshare...again. So stop saying one is better than the other. It's classic Ford/Chevy and the people who insist that their widget is best are most often the people who are covering up the fact that it's not.....

[DEIx15x8]

It's because he thought that it would be better to design a console that anyone could buy than to go all out and build one that only he could afford.

[Aflac]

You actually believe what a retarded walmart employee says? Dont u remember how sony killed dreamcast by forcing store employees to spread lies about the dreamcast, cut advertising, etc???--> news4gamers.com/gaming/News-34 1.aspx
I must first inform u that this site puts spaces in random parts of any links we post, so, use ur brain and delete spaces once u copypaste this to ur address bar (cant believe u never figured this out wen I posted links in the past, lmao):

The 360's tech advantage:
Now, here is the original claim by Sony before the downgrade:
"Using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS"
Did u see that at the beginning? USING SONY'S CLAIM, AND WE ALL KNOW U BELIEVE ANYTHING SONY CLAIMS. If sony really didnt make this claim, they most certainly would have taken legal action against MS, that is only fact. Obviously, ur definition of "analyzing" is denying anything that is actually fact--refusal to believe the truth, u only believe wat u want to believe, grow up, b a man and face the facts.
Epic recently mentioned that the ps3 is not capable of handling GOW, and Epic is a multiplatform developer--unbiased, just like Ubisoft who also have stated that only the 360 will be able to handle future splinter cell games. That just adds to the list of developers now revealing the 360's superiority over ps3.

Now to update that equation replacing the 550MHz with 500MHz:
52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS

Now, let's compare this to MS's GPU:
48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

I could be wrong, but isn't 240 GFLOPS greater than 208 GFLOPS??? Isn’t 240 GFLOPS also greater than 228 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers, THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW IN CLEANING PRODUCT COMMERCIALS, THE COMPANY WHO MADE THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT POINTS IT OUT, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/6 17/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums /thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks /power/library/pacellperf/?ca= d rs-#table4

[ApocalypseShadow]

22 - the cell chip can think a lot faster than xenon
shadowgamer - 46 Minutes ago | Let him/her speak
how many science teams are using xenon for anything?yes.that's right:ZERO!no one is.how many are using cell for other things besides just being in a game system?too many to count.xenon is only good for 360.but that's about it.ibm built it.do you see them using it.NOT AT ALL!shows how powerful it is.but they're using cell.hmmmmm...which is more powerful again?

[Aflac]

the xenon is the 360 gpu, the cell is the ps3 cpu einstein, comparing a gpu to a cpu is like tryin to compare a cd player to a cd, makes no sense, and besides, the cell is the one and only core for the ps3 (running at the same speed as the 360's cores--> 3.2GHz) vs the 360's 3 cores. If u mean to say the cell is faster than the 3 cores, that makes no sense, 3.2GHz isnt faster than itself, the cell would have to be 3.2+ GHz.

Reposting so no1 misses the TRUTH:
You actually believe what a retarded walmart employee says? Dont u remember how sony killed dreamcast by forcing store employees to spread lies about the dreamcast, cut advertising, etc???--> news4gamers.com/gaming/News-34 1.aspx
I must first inform u that this site puts spaces in random parts of any links we post, so, use ur brain and delete spaces once u copypaste this to ur address bar (cant believe u never figured this out wen I posted links in the past, lmao):

The 360's tech advantage:
Now, here is the original claim by Sony before the downgrade:
"Using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS"
Did u see that at the beginning? USING SONY'S CLAIM, AND WE ALL KNOW U BELIEVE ANYTHING SONY CLAIMS. If sony really didnt make this claim, they most certainly would have taken legal action against MS, that is only fact. Obviously, ur definition of "analyzing" is denying anything that is actually fact--refusal to believe the truth, u only believe wat u want to believe, grow up, b a man and face the facts.
Epic recently mentioned that the ps3 is not capable of handling GOW, and Epic is a multiplatform developer--unbiased, just like Ubisoft who also have stated that only the 360 will be able to handle future splinter cell games. That just adds to the list of developers now revealing the 360's superiority over ps3.

Now to update that equation replacing the 550MHz with 500MHz:
52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS

Now, let's compare this to MS's GPU:
48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

I could be wrong, but isn't 240 GFLOPS greater than 208 GFLOPS??? Isn’t 240 GFLOPS also greater than 228 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers, THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW IN CLEANING PRODUCT COMMERCIALS, THE COMPANY WHO MADE THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT POINTS IT OUT, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/6 17/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums /thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks /power/library/pacellperf/?ca= d rs-#table4

[daboosa]

All i got to say is:-
1:i hate xbox 360 fanboys 1/2 of them come up with no compelling argument and sware words!
2:PS3 chip in my mind is better (i agree not 3 times)
3:xbox 360 RAM 512 PS3 RAM 512 (that always anoys me)
4: stop moaning if u have a 360 thats nice i dont i chose to wait istead of complaining its better, just go play it! otherwise ur proving PS3 is better cause i know i will neva visit this site again wen i get mine !

[ApocalypseShadow]

that those ADVANCED CHIPS are used for?name one thing IBM is using it for(the company that made the chip)?the processors in the 360 is last gen tech.you can't name one thing.you can post big all day long.name one thing?"well..microsoft has gears of war"!name one game MADE BY MICROSOFT that looks better than gears?you can't.epic created an engine that even microsoft can't even best.and they got BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.gears can be made on ps3.you're getting pwned because you can't answer those questions.

you're looking like the guy getting slapped in the "sprint power up "commercial where the guy keeps pulling out his gun then slapping the guy over and over between putting the gun away.

[Aflac]

the RSX has access to only 256MB, so it can only deliver 256MB textures, that is a big reason why the ps3 CANNOT handle Gears of War.
Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? “256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB. We pushed the 360 to the limits.” Another member from Epic’s team chimed in with the fact that there are currently more Playstation 3 programmers than Xbox 360 programmers. “It (the PS3) is in our future. We always had plans for the Playstation 3 and an engine already runs on it.”
http://www.siliconera.com/i...
So far, u guys are still using randomness, that doesnt work in these kinds of arguements.
Reposting so no1 misses the TRUTH:
You actually believe what a retarded walmart employee says? Dont u remember how sony killed dreamcast by forcing store employees to spread lies about the dreamcast, cut advertising, etc???--> news4gamers.com/gaming/News-34 1.aspx
I must first inform u that this site puts spaces in random parts of any links we post, so, use ur brain and delete spaces once u copypaste this to ur address bar (cant believe u never figured this out wen I posted links in the past, lmao):

The 360's tech advantage:
Now, here is the original claim by Sony before the downgrade:
"Using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS"
Did u see that at the beginning? USING SONY'S CLAIM, AND WE ALL KNOW U BELIEVE ANYTHING SONY CLAIMS. If sony really didnt make this claim, they most certainly would have taken legal action against MS, that is only fact. Obviously, ur definition of "analyzing" is denying anything that is actually fact--refusal to believe the truth, u only believe wat u want to believe, grow up, b a man and face the facts.
Epic recently mentioned that the ps3 is not capable of handling GOW, and Epic is a multiplatform developer--unbiased, just like Ubisoft who also have stated that only the 360 will be able to handle future splinter cell games. That just adds to the list of developers now revealing the 360's superiority over ps3.

Now to update that equation replacing the 550MHz with 500MHz:
52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS

Now, let's compare this to MS's GPU:
48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

I could be wrong, but isn't 240 GFLOPS greater than 208 GFLOPS??? Isn’t 240 GFLOPS also greater than 228 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers, THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW IN CLEANING PRODUCT COMMERCIALS, THE COMPANY WHO MADE THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT POINTS IT OUT, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/6 17/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums /thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks /power/library/pacellperf/?ca= d rs-#table4

THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, SO THATS WHAT I GIVE THEM!!! GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

[DJ]

"the RSX has access to only 256MB, so it can only deliver 256MB textures, that is a big reason why the ps3 CANNOT handle Gears of War."

There's a 35GB/s FlexIO connection linking the Cell and RSX chips, and each chip has dedicated bandwidth towards their respective memory pools. Not only can the RSX access the XDR memory for its own purposes, the Cell can render different aspects of the scene for maximum efficiency, then send those pieces over to be composited on the RSX during its respective rendering. In fact, this how the game Warhawk works. Cell generates the geometry for the ocean and renders the true volumetric clouds; RSX does the rest.

Again, your formula sheet states that the RSX has ALUs, which it doesn't; it has dedicated pixel and vertex pipelines. While you try to make it look like the Xenos has a power advantage over the RSX, ATI (designers of the Xenos GPU) have actually stated in interviews with the press that the RSX is superior to their chip in power.

RSX Downgrade: Rumor started by The Inquirer
Cell Downgrade: Rumor started by The Inguirer (twice)
Cell can't run game code: Laughable rumor.
RSX isn't "efficient": The games show a power advantage, and really that's what matters.
Blu-ray is bad for developers: proven false.
We will never see 1080p PS3 titles this year: proven false.

Get the hint?
--------------------------
You try to make it look like splitting up the RAM in PS3 is a bad idea, but in fact that decision gives the PS3 twice the internal bandwidth of the 360. The 360 is using GPU RAM for its CPU, which is the worst idea ever since GPU RAM (GDDR3) is high latency. While the Xenos has plenty of memory to work with, the CPU gets starved by the GPU's actions and both end up suffering due to the fact that they share one memory bus.

[HyperBear]

Ive got to say, out of all the bad news, this is prolly the only news that Sony can look up to against the XBox 360. Yes it is more powerful, but since when does power and a processor have anything to do with video games, or outstanding video games. XBox 360 sure beats PS3 in that department with the Video Games and Online (Xbox Live). But yea, the PS3 has toyed with me, but it is paying off, Ill explain myself. This morning a few of you may have noticed that I said Sony is crap and all of this, that was because I was uninformed that my Best Buy was getting 100 PS3's on Launch, so i dont have to camp out, and still get one after school. That I am happy for, Also, found out my father had gotten me a pre-order for an early Cmas present. SO You can say, I am once again a True Gamer. This still doesnt change the fact that I'll be playing my XBox 360 more than my PS3 this year, just cause when you take a look at games, PS3 has about 3 games I want, compare that to the 10 or so games I like coming on the 360. So although I am getting a PS3 now, and I have a little (very little) faith in Sony Still, I still believe Xbox 360 will win, but PS3 is a interesting piece of tech. so it all depends. If I didnt have what I have, and were only given one choice, Id pick the Xbox 360. Low Price, Good Hardware, EXCELLENT GAMES, True HD/Next-Gen System. PS3 is still good, for people that want the Ultimate costly system on the block. Why cant fanboys just get together and say that they will both succeed and they will both rock. XBox 360 will be slightly better, but who knows. Maybe by ext year, there will be amazing games for the PS3, thats why Im getting it, and Cant wait for Nov.17. GAME ON!!! (Also picked up Gears of War today, and if anyone says that game sucks, They need to stop sucking their mom's d!ck and get outta their parents basement, THAT GAMES KICKS ASS)

[lalaland]

Just out of curiousity:

You are comparing the launch lineup of the PS3 with games available for X360. What games for the X360 (besides GoW) are of such a big interest to you?

I'm not doubting you -- just a bit perplexed...

[ApocalypseShadow]

when you KNOW that i'm right.here is what you put in your post:

"We pushed the 360 to the limits."(epic)

so 360 can't do anything beyond gears of war.and it only has at most 8 characters on screen.and 4vs4 multiplayer because of the graphics.whooooo!THAT'S POWERFUL!"

unreal 2007 looks as good gears.that's epic.like i said,gears CAN be made if epic wasn't a lazy pc developer.this"TRUTH" ; you're posting on power is not backed by ANY GAMES.barely any games run at 60fps.and no games run in 1080p.where is this power?companies have had a year with the system.oh,it's got"HIDDEN POWER" like 1080p support.hahahahahahaha!!! do you want me to stop slapping you?

[TheMART]

This again proves the stupidness of Sony fanboys.

EVERY developer will say it's game pushes the hardware to it's limits.

That's marketingtalk.

It's known that at the end of a console life cycle the best graphics are achieved in games.

Watch the difference between Halo 1 and Halo 2.
See Half Life 2 that came out later in the life cycle of last gen. That looks great on that hardware, but couldn't been done in the first year of the console back then.

So you're utterly dumb believing this would be the maximum the 360 can do.

In 2 years Gears of War 2 will arrive. And it'll be so much better in visuals, AI etc. then Gears of War 1.

That's always how it goes. And you Shadowgamer, get another point on being a very, very dumb fanboy. Do you want me to stop you getting pwned buddy?

Oh wait. COD3 runs in 60fps on 360 but in 30fps on PS3 like the developer said.

DAMN! The 360 is twice as powerfull as the PS3!!!

[HyperBear]

Are you still calling me stupid for liking btoh the Xbox 360 and PS3?, actually, you are pretty much callin me an idiot just cause I like the PS3 as well as the 360, and not just a fanboyic 360 person, such as yourself. Or was that comment just related to shadowgamer?. LOL, next time, just indicate who you are talkin to, cause your like, "this again proves the stupidness of Sony fanboys". So didnt know if that was in relation to us(gamers who like PS3, including me) or just to shadowgamer?
See ya in Gears of War bud.

[TheMART]

SO if you push the reply to a message of a certain person, normally that is meant FOR THAT PERSON.

Isnt it strange that you feel the need to answer a message that's not directed to you? I even mentioned Shadowgamers name.

If I talked to you or somebody else in such a message, I would use the @ sign with your name attached.

And please, untill your father gave you the PS3 you didn''t want to buy it. So yep, I call someone stupid buying a PS3. At least for now. No reason to.

Actually by this oversensetive reacting of yours you see how uncertain the Sony fans are. Man you went from a diehard PS3 fan to buying a 360 only now your father gives you one you'll be an allround gamer but for the rest you know where the best deal is given.

Seen the HD movie/TV serie stream/download with Peter Moore presenting it? The final blow

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

"17.1 - CHOICE
Cyclonus - 2 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
Guess what? You don't have to purchase the HD-DVD add on, IT'S OPTIONAL.
If you want a PS3, Sony is forcing you to buy their unproven Blu-Ray format. You don't have the choice.
So, your "argument", if one could be so generous as to call it that, utterly fails."

Uhmmmm can you choose between DVD and HD-DVD? Nope
Can you choose which HDD you wanna buy? Nope
Can you choose if you wanna play online to pay or not to pay? Nope
Choice? Nope haha

[videl]

if you buy new tech, its always unprooven, and sony forces you to nothing you moron.

[ApocalypseShadow]

MART,you have got to be the dumbest,blind fanboy that i've seen posting in many places across the net for weeks.congradulations for being the fanboy of the year.take a bow.you follow microsoft religiously.i follow no company.i buy them all.i'm just posting truths that you just CAN'T ANSWER,and i've seen you talk about upcoming games for 360 that still didn't push the system to sell more than ps2.you talk about the two japanese games coming out and those games still won't sell in high numbers.why?it's not on ps3.you can't even bring yourself to admit that sony has done some cool things.just like i can admit that microsoft has done some cool things.you're not a real gamer.you're a follower.even "top real multi-account deal gamer "can't answer any of my questions.it's weak.come get your slaps too.with billions of dollars,microsoft can't make a game better than a third party company.(epic)that's fact.so they are going to use unreal because they suck at making great software.they have to buy it from someone else.you know that i'm right.everyone else knows that i'm right.you can't dispute it.ah..ah..ah.don't even try it.you're weak.microsoft's chips are weak compared to cell.that's fact because no one is using it for anything else.talk about leading edge.answer my above questions if you dare.you're a coward.

[shoota33]

I was just getting ready to own THE MART but i see you have already done the job lol.

[beans]

Is it me or has all of this positive news today from MS made all of you Sony fans just go bonkers! You guys go ahead and keep thinking that the PS3 is the superior system and keep on ranting and crying with nothing out to back your claims! I can't wait to see the RFOM reviews and even Motostorm reviews just to hear you guys preach "Well these were launch games and 360 had a year head start" and you know you will! I don't see any extra power coming from PS3 games and some of them to me look like launch titles for 360! GOW is the 1st 2nd generation 360 game and then comes Mass Effects, Too Human, Bioshock, and Halo 3 just to name a few that look light years ahead of anything PS3 has to offer! Now don't get me wrong the PS3 does sound interesting with it's Bluray drive but it looks like MS is just going beyond bluray and doing things better than Sony and this is just the beginning!

[shoota33]

You xbox fanboys get more pathetic as time goes by.ps3 is superior to xbox 360 in every way PERIOD! Get it! Got it! Good.You can whine all you want but thats not going to change the fact that xbox 360 is old news and ps3 will outsell it in one year lol.

[beans]

You are fooling yourself big time and honestly don't know what your talking about! Your just defending Sony because your a Sony fan and you can't look beyond the clouds and believe that there are better things out there! 360 is not only the better choice but a smarter choice and over time people like yourself might start to catch on! You said the 360 is old news but the funny thing is all the hype is on 360 features and games like GOW right now and nobody is even talking about RFOM! Go over to every site or better yet just go to gametrailers.com and look at all the attention GOW and the digital distrubution is getting only weeks before the PS3 launch! I bet they announce something else big the day before PS3 come's out just to show you fanboys that your holding onto false dreams! Bow down to Vader and understand it's time for a change which is called 360 you losers!

[MissAubrey]

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[xombi]

sony fanboys went beserk from all the great xbox 360 news....lol!!

now let me get back to THE game of the year...

peace!!

[HiSpeedSoldier61]

and what the hell do all of the 360 geeks do when Sony announces great news for the ps3:

When sony announced HDMI support for both Models. 360 losers response: "Sony's stupid, that idea is stupid"

When sony announced that the first 400,000 units would come with a FREE blu-ray film. 360 losers response: "Sony's dumb, this is dumb"

When sony revealed that the PSONE to PSP game emulation technique would only require one download to the ps3, we would not have to make a separate purchase for PSP individually, 360 loser response "Sony's stupid, this is stupid 'rabble rabble rabble"

When sony announced that each download purchase could be downloaded up to 5 times on different PS3 consoles, 360 losers response "Sony is stupid, this is stupid, BS after BS"

This is honestly some pretty infantile stuff.

If the MS butt buddies want to stick with a Mid-gen console, that's their business, but if you don't want to say anything positive about positive PS3 news, then please shut up!.

[candystop]

You can honestly call that stuff good news? There is nothing and I mean nothing that has interested me about the PS3! Digital Distribution is the way of the future and not bluray discs! We could go over so many things here back and forth but I guess why would be the question? Why waste my time ranting to some Sony fans that just don't get it even though they think they do? You go ahead and purchase your PS3 and keep on telling yourself it's next gen because my friend you and the rest of you will find out the hard way that sony over promised and under delivered big time! 360 is the way to go period and if you don't believe me then just wait until next year when 360 games really start kicking in! This is just to funny even hearing people saying PS3 is going to be awesome when they know da'mn well there's nothing good out for it and probably won't be for awhile! PS3 will suck and im saying it now and will stick to my word with it's PS2 online service and no rumble in the controller just idiotic stuff going on! There is nothing innovative or cool about PS3 im sorry but there isn't and dont get mad at us for trying to tell you so!

[DJ]

I don't think digital distribution is going to replace disc media, because that's the capacity of Blu-ray discs at the moment, and they're aiming for 200Gb. Consumers are barely catching onto DSL, and it'll be a while before we get T3-like connections in homes across America (let alone the rest of the world).

Digital Distribution is more suited for Demos, TV Shows, Movie Trailers, and Game Content. I see a lot of 360 owners on this site scoff at the PS3's Blu-ray drive and say "Well we don't need that anyway. Digital Distribution is the future, not disc media."

Then I look at the 20-gig hard drive and smirk.

[Aflac]

Give me PROOF, come on, all u guys do is rant rant rant rant lke a buncha 2yr-olds, u never back ur arguements with anything--but then again wat could u possibly back it with? ps3 fan forums? claims by other sony fans? Think of this as a court case, u need evidence to back ur arguements, simply claiming that someone elses claims based on evidence with no evidence of ur own only goes to show how wrong u r, and makes u look retarded.

Yes, thats right, I'm a thorm that will never go away, I will always be around to expose u for the liars u r, course u'v already done that urselves--lmfao!!! My arguement still stands...
the RSX has access to only 256MB, so it can only deliver 256MB textures, that is a big reason why the ps3 CANNOT handle Gears of War.
Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? “256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB. We pushed the 360 to the limits.” Another member from Epic’s team chimed in with the fact that there are currently more Playstation 3 programmers than Xbox 360 programmers. “It (the PS3) is in our future. We always had plans for the Playstation 3 and an engine already runs on it.”
http://www.siliconera.com/i...
So far, u guys are still using randomness, that doesnt work in these kinds of arguements.
Reposting so no1 misses the TRUTH:
You actually believe what a retarded walmart employee says? Dont u remember how sony killed dreamcast by forcing store employees to spread lies about the dreamcast, cut advertising, etc???--> news4gamers.com/gaming/News-34 1.aspx
I must first inform u that this site puts spaces in random parts of any links we post, so, use ur brain and delete spaces once u copypaste this to ur address bar (cant believe u never figured this out wen I posted links in the past, lmao):

The 360's tech advantage:
Now, here is the original claim by Sony before the downgrade:
"Using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS"
Did u see that at the beginning? USING SONY'S CLAIM, AND WE ALL KNOW U BELIEVE ANYTHING SONY CLAIMS. If sony really didnt make this claim, they most certainly would have taken legal action against MS, that is only fact. Obviously, ur definition of "analyzing" is denying anything that is actually fact--refusal to believe the truth, u only believe wat u want to believe, grow up, b a man and face the facts.
Epic recently mentioned that the ps3 is not capable of handling GOW, and Epic is a multiplatform developer--unbiased, just like Ubisoft who also have stated that only the 360 will be able to handle future splinter cell games. That just adds to the list of developers now revealing the 360's superiority over ps3.

Now to update that equation replacing the 550MHz with 500MHz:
52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS

Now, let's compare this to MS's GPU:
48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

I could be wrong, but isn't 240 GFLOPS greater than 208 GFLOPS??? Isn’t 240 GFLOPS also greater than 228 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers, THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW IN CLEANING PRODUCT COMMERCIALS, THE COMPANY WHO MADE THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT POINTS IT OUT, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/6 17/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums /thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks /power/library/pacellperf/?ca= d rs-#table4

THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, SO THATS WHAT I GIVE THEM!!! GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

[kmis87]

If you're still quoting that one and a half year old Microsoft document, that has been repeatedly shown to be false and biased btw, then there's no point in arguing with you. I will say that the ps3 DOES have access to all 512MB of memory, and that the Epic quote about the impossibility of 256MB is not a ps3 reference, but a reference to the 360 before Microsoft changed the specs at Epic's request. That'll be the extent of the arguments I'll make against you, because, frankly, I seriously doubt you'll even listen. I'll just give you another link that you can read, and try to respond to that:
http://ps3forums.com/showth...

[HiSpeedSoldier61]

It's true, kmis87
Don't even try to convince these nerds that PS3 will be alot better when they all say it isnt. They don't even understand that for the xbox 360 to be ON PAR with the PS3, in terms of functionality, the $200 HD-DVD add on IS REQUIRED and the added cost for wi-fi IS REQUIRED, but if microsoft themselves didn't understand (or was just acting naive) why the hell do you think all these pimply, idiotic, delusional middle school and high school xbox dumba$$es would understand, when all these kids probably think a W-2 is a bingo number.

PS3 is not next-gen?? oh really, prove it with current-up-to-date information from neutral, objective sources (all the third party developers that have agreed that PS3 is true next-gen must all be idiots huh?? even though the industry and console analysis is their field of expertise)
When Hideo Kojima said that in 1, 2 years time, the PS3 will be the console of choice for his games, I guess he does not know what the hell he's talking about and all these MS butt buddies know better than him, even though he has been in the gaming industry for more than 20 years.

but all these xbox losers that still live with their mothers must know more.

PS3 has NO GOOD GAMES and probably never will?? oh man, I think I'm really starting to let all these idiots persuade me to dump my plans for buying a PS3. (if I only had half a brain and the common sense of a chimp)

[FeralPhoenix]

I'm no tech wizard, but I do have a little knowlegde of the basic's, also I don't usually get caught up in the whole spec game but the more I hear the more the curious I have become about this whole 512MB vs 256 MB RAM debate. I read the link you provided, this guy is obviously very smart, and even though he is "admittedly biased" (PS3forum) I think he try's to explain things factually, but honestly most of it was waaaay over my head, I'm just a simple common sense guy, so what I want to know is if you can point out specifically where this guy is talking about the PS3 having "access" to 512MB RAM, and is having "access" to 512MB the same as having the standard 512MB RAM?

Also, something that has always seemed strange to me is that Sony still at this point, less than 2wks before launch haven't released the final RSX specs?...I said that when TGS was over, and it just seems even more weird the closer to launch....Does that mean that it isn't good news?...I admit that my suspicsions are partly based on mis-trust of Sony, but do you or normal gamers think this is strange also?

[kmis87]

I'm really glad that I got someone who actually read the link, which just goes to show that not everyone who you might disagree with (I think I personally prefer the ps3 more than you would) is unreasonable. So in the words of Ali G, Respect yo.

As for your question, I'm not exactly a very knowledgeable tech person either. The main thing I think about having the RAM split is making sure that there is enough bandwidth to make up for that. The 360 has about 22.4GB/s of bandwidth for the gpu and cpu to get to its RAM. The ps3 has the RAM split but makes up for it by having 48GB/s of bandwidth between the gpu and cpu to access it. All in all, I think they seem like comparable situations.

As for the RSX I can only speculate like you. It could either be bad as in the specs are less than what is expected, neither bad nor good, or they could have a surprise in the specs/architecture of the chip that turns out to be good. I guess an example of it turning out to be good would be Microsoft's secret 1080p thing, keep a few tricks up your sleeve kind of plan. Personally, I think it's the middle of the road thing. I think the RSX is gonna be seen as impressive, but probably nothing overly impressive, like the 360's gpu. I have a feeling that when the specs are released we'll probably be thinking about why the hell they made us speculate on them for so long.

[Agent VX]

LOL, am I the only one hear that read the article. “The Cell Processor is essentially as powerful as 3 Xbox 360 CPU’s” So in essence, Sony by their own admittance just stated that their system is as powerful as the 360, since the 360 has 3 CPU’s. It’s nothing more than playing with words, and looks like a bunch of you fell for the marketing gimmick.

Fact from all the developers state that both systems are about the same. The PS3 has the slight edge in Processor power, and the 360 with memory. ROTFLOL, besides a couple of posts, this thread is between 12 yr old fan boys.

And let’s get the PGR 3 Load time straight here, that was not the load time of the game, nor how long it takes to load it. The only time it ever takes that long to load a race in PGR 3 is when you are playing online and somebody is lagging badly.

Again, nothing but immature fan boy ignorance. LOL, just too funny……

[kikilala]

when u try to be a smartmouth think about it for a while...

"since the 360 has 3 CPU’s"

what the hell are u talking about??? the 360 got only ONE cpu with THREE cores..

man... if u want to be a fanboy fine.. but do it with knowledge in mind and not just spewing crap all over the forums... pwned...

[daboosa]

tht sonys cell is beter then with 7 cpu's

[DJ]

The Xenon CPU consists of 3 G5 processors connected by 1MB of L2 cache. A single G5 processor performs 25 Gigaflops. Multiply that number by 3 processor cores, and you end up with the Xenon being capable of 75 Gigaflops.

The Cell processor is capable of 218 Gigaflops, which is 2.907 times more processing power than the Xenon. That's as easy as I can break it down. There is an added piece of data though. Current processors, such as G5's, Athlons, and Pentiums only achieve 75% of their theoritical flop count. The Cell processor is unique in that it can achieve 98% efficiency due to certain aspects of its architecture. So if you're wondering how this figure holds up when the PS3 relies on 8 cores instead of 9, that's why.

As for the guys claiming that the PS3 has only 256 MB of RAM:
http://www.us.playstation.c...

Oh! Whadya know, there's 512 MB of Ram in the PS3. And wait, it gets better. The CPU and GPU have dedicated memory pools, and the CPU's RAM runs at 3.2 Ghz.

In comparison, the 360's CPU is stuck with GPU RAM(no, i'm not kidding) that runs at 700 Mhz. Too bad.

AgentVX: "Fact from all the developers state that both systems are about the same. The PS3 has the slight edge in Processor power, and the 360 with memory."

-Actually, most developers have stated that the PS3 is more powerful, and are proud of the extra things they can do on this system compared to the 360. John Carmack has never touched a PS3 dev kit in his life, so taking his word over everyone else is a bit foolhardy. And as I just showed, the PS3 has a memory advantage as well.

As for GPU, we already know that story. 0.9Gigaflops (Xenos) vs. 1.8 Teraflops (RSX)The specs that have been released show the RSX having an advantage with HDR (128-bit and codeveloped with ILM), more dot products, more shader ops per cycle, etc, etc. Even ATI admitted that the RSX is more powerful than Xenos.

But what the hell do all these numbers mean to the average consumer? Not much. Our eyes are the best benchmarks of system power, and the PS3 impressed everyone at TGS. Even before launch, journalists could already see the 'PS3 Difference', and the power gap is going to continue to widen. Remember, it's not just about graphics, it's about AI, physics, sound, animation, and everything that happens behind the polygons.

[FeralPhoenix]

Yeah, I think your explanation was somewhat helpful, but either way I think although both of us may have limited technical knowlegde, I would agree with you that:
"All in all, I think they seem like comparable situations."

-That's exactly why I usually try not to get involved in the "my hardware is better than yours debate", because I think it involve's too many variables, which are open to be charachterized either favorable or unfavorable, and with the safistication level of the tech, a valid explanation can be easliy mis-understood, when you try to compare apples to oranges. So I guess what it all boils down to in the end will be how well the dev's utilize the hardware (talent) and of course over time games will continue to improve....wow, imagine that -just like all the previous generations. Oh, and BTW, much respect to you too, Yo!

[kornbeaner]

Okay let me get this out because i already know that half of you are gonna throw my comment way out of line. I am a PS3 fan but i just love gaming in general this is my passion.

Now with the start, Nobody killed the Dreamcast
it was just a machine that was ahead of it's time with some of the things it included. A strorage medium that was bigger then a CD a modem for online play and fully analog triggers and analog stick placed in a default postion, much like an Xbox control. At the beginging sega was claiming that jet grind radio would never run on the PS2 cause it had less available memory then the dreamcast. And for a long time this was the case. But if you look to last month, Capcom released Okami(there have been others but Oakmi used the PS2 full capacity). Now both games have cel-shaded graphics but if and only if the Dreamcast were still around Okami would never see the light of day on the dreamcast. Reason Dreamcast had GD disc which only held about as much data as the UMD's for the PSP hold. Which is About 1.8 gigs. as we all know that's not enough storage capitacy for any of today's games. Another thing that happen was that Developers learned to program for the PS2. Me myself i didn't buy a PS2 until about a year and a half after it came out. And i acutally had a Dreamcast which i played until the controller ports burned out. But what some people forget as well is that the Dreamcast had a version of Windows running as the system OS. As everybody in the Industry knows windows is the easiest OS to program for, that is why developers like ubisoft and epic can put out the types of games that they do. So automatically every Xbox fanboy shouts: "that's why the 360 is better then the PS3" Which if your a developer like ubisoft or epic you'd agree, but look at the history of these two companies Ubisoft didn't really become a household name until the orignal Xbox hit and Epic had been working with the windows OS since the begginging of the PC gaming era. Does that automatically make the 360 a better machine cause Developers are more familar with OS. well yes, but only until the limit of the machine is acutally met. Which according to epic it already did that with Gears of war. Now Gears is a beautiful game and come christmas i might have to get a 360 and GOW for my brother. But honestly if Gears is the limit of the what the 360 has to offer then what happens for the next roughly 3-4 years of the 360's lifespan. the 360 is a powerful machine no doubt, but it does have a Achilles heal. It still uses DVD as a storage medium. Which only grants developers about 9 gigs of space. And as everybody knows games are just getting bigger and bigger how long is 9 gigs going to suffice. Imagen what had to be left out of Gears of war for the game just to make space. The game started with intional builds taking up 3 DVD's, congrats to the boys at epic for making it fit on one DVD. So if you want to ignore the fact that the PS3 uses Blu-ray disc as a stroage medium then go ahead or the fact that IBM themselves have claimed that the chip they created is used for supercomputers. ( this was later updated recentley, as they stated that there was one chip they created that is more powerful)
Honestly the war that goes on between the consoles should not really be handled by fanboys who really have no idea what they base their judgements on other then they like the machine they own. Facts are facts if you look at the PC gaming scene MS always release a new version of Windows because chip makers start making more and more powerful chips that reach the limits of the the current OS within 2 years. Epic has said that they pushed the 360 to the limit and it wouldn't be surprising if that's true. I know that the PS3 is still very much unproven and i look at the PS3 like the dreamcast, it's being released to a market with a bunch of things against it. A Chip that on paper has more power then anything on the market (console or PC). A storage medium that is still very much up in the air on wether it will last, an OS that is very,very difficult to program for. But Developers have always been willing to learn a new OS if that means that they will put out a product that meets most of what they had planned. This has been the case with Sony If you look at all the multi-platform releases the only game that sells more for the Xbox then PS are any games with the Tom Clancey seal. Other then that PS has always out sold xbox games. even if the game was much better looking on the Xbox.
Where would you rather be on a system that from what we know has already been taken to capacity a short year after it's release or on a system that developers will more likely see chance to release a massive game that can only be released on the PS3 once all the secrets are unlocked and the developing community can make the Potenial a reality.

[testerg35]

Doesn't mean anything.. programmers are always enhancing routines and techniques. I could push hardware to its limits because of the way I program. As I develop better graphics, AI routines, I would still be pushing the hardware to its limit but with better overall product.

[videl]

no surprise that the ps3 is more powerfull, look at motorstorm and resistance, thats proove enought, and they are launch games!!! oh and the ps3 has more games at launch then the xbox had, so wait a while and there will be far more games for the ps3.

[Agent VX]

Listen, I ain’t gonna get into any fan boy arguing here. From the experts that code for both machines, both systems are very similar and will perform very similar. I have a 360, and I love it, and I will even admit that I think that the PS3 in a short time will have games that look slightly better, a lot better, not a chance.

So you can cherry pick all the specs you want to make is seem like the PS3 is much more powerful, but the bottom line is the experts that program for the 2 machines more less state the same thing that both systems are very similar in performance.

I won’t even get into some of the horrible flaws of the cell processor such as the very small amount of local memory available to each SPE and how it is taking far to long when the SPE places a DMA request on the bus and waits for it to be fulfilled. This in essence limits each SPE’s from doing much more than a handful of tasks. And as many developers are already stating, the cell’s SPE array ends up being fairly useless in the majority of situations, or more eloquently stated that thought the cell has lots of theoretical horse power, for gaming it is rather lack luster.

Not to mention that the vast majority of developers prefer the general purpose cores over the cell, and agree that heavily multithreaded game engines are the future, not that the 360 is a great one.

And to turn the tables, I am not very impressed with the 360’s implementation with the general purpose core Microsoft either, they took IBM’s option which offered peak theoretical floating point performance vs per dollar but suffers with very narrow 2-issue in order execution core, and suffered with a branch predictor that’s not the best. Mix in the fact that one or two threads of execution for the game engine most likely will be used instead of the 4 to 6 threads that the 360 was designed to do.

As for your TFLOP stat, any informed person would know that these numbers are quite meaningless. Floating point operations can be anything. Anything that is executed on a FPU can be called a floating point operation.

Secondly, this refers to the whole system, CPU and GPU. GPU’s floating point processing power doesn’t mean anything if your are trying to run general purpose code on it and vice versa. And if you know anything about the graphics market, characterizing GPU performance in terms of generic floating point operations per second is far from the full performance story.

And thirdly, talking about peak floating point performance, you need to have enough bandwidth to keep the FPU’s fed, no mispredicted brances, no cache misses and the right code to make sure that all of the FPU’s can be fed at all times so they can execute at their peak rates. And given that the cells PPE is identical to the one on the PowerPC cores in Xenon, it must derive its floating point performance from its array of SPE’s. And since the developers are stating that they can’t use the SPE’s for a lot of tasks, it doesn’t matter what peak theoretical performace the Cell’s SPE array is, cause the SPE’s aren’t being used all the time.

I am not even going to get into your memory argument, the 360 has a slight edge in it’s implementation, not much, but it’s there. The PS3 does have a slight edge in real world raw power in the cell, but again, the cell is not some untamed beast that many fan boys dream that it is.

Personally I think both systems are great, but could have been better. The cell and general purpose cores are really rather lack luster in comparison what they could have done at the time. Simply by using Athlon 64’s or Pentium D’s processors would have made a noticeable difference in performance over both systems.

But that’s just my opinion.

Bottom line, the race for top spot is going to be closer than last gen, and that is great for everyone because it means that both Sony and MS are going to do more for you as a gamer. If it’s not as close, than unfortunately we are going to have, yes the PS2 was fun but boring at the same time, with the countless dull and horrible games that plagued the system with just a handful of very clever and fun games and peripherals.

Both systems will be good, and I hope the more expensive but sexier PS3 does good in order to keep both companies honest and trying their best.

[daboosa]

If Sony has the edge with the cell games will look better in couple years to come! also ur forgetting blue ray where a game could be 3 times the size of GOW im not a fan boy just stating the obvious

[FeralPhoenix]

After reading your post I guess that you disagree with my post when I state the following:
My post #39:
"That's exactly why I usually try not to get involved in the "my hardware is better than yours debate", because I think it involve's too many variables, which are open to be charachterized either favorable or unfavorable, and with the safistication level of the tech, a valid explanation can be easliy mis-understood, when you try to compare apples to oranges. So I guess what it all boils down to in the end will be how well the dev's utilize the hardware (talent) and of course over time games will continue to improve....wow, imagine that -just like all the previous generations."
-Thats not something I made up or just a belief its basic videogame history.
So basicly your whole post is making the arguement that the 360, after 1 year has reached its full potential with GOW.
kornbeaner post #40:
"Does that automatically make the 360 a better machine cause Developers are more familar with OS. well yes, but only until the limit of the machine is acutally met. Which according to epic it already did that with Gears of war."
-Have you ever considered that its just a figure of speech or creating hype to sell the game when Epic dev's say that they pushed the 360 to the limit, WOW, in all the years I've been playing videogames, how many times have I heard that statement from a developer prior to releasing a game for a console early in its lifecycle, and yup, everytime there were better games at least graphically at the later stages of ___ console, if you don't believe that then, I have to seriously question if you know the gaming industry, like the gamer you say you are, that statement alone can be interpreted many ways, one could say that he was only referring to the fact that they pushed the 360 farther than any game so far, also I hear statements that they only utilited about 40% of the 360, or that they didn't utilize all 3 cores....whatever?...who knows?...but the point is you can't say with a straight face that GOW2 can't offer improvements over GOW, seriously do you really believe that?
Well, if you insist on taking that statement so literaly because its what "Epic said"....then you have to also accept what "Epic said", about the PS3 not be able to run GOW with this statement:
“256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB."
-yeah you could argue that the PS3 has "access" to a total of 512MB RAM, but according to what "Epic said", either its not efficient enough or just not "available" at all to make GOW possible on the PS3.
-so by your own Sonyfanboy logic, this is the best that the 360 can do, but the PS3 is limited by not having the standard 512MB RAM and therefore will never even be capable of GOW quality/type game.

Oh BTW as far as the whole BD advantage of storage space over DVD9 is concerned, I would say that is correct more space is always a good thing, but I feel that it won't be neccessary for awhile, and even when it is do you think it would totally ruin the whole game experience if lets just say a game like GOW was on 2 discs, I mean is it really that bad if you have to get up off the couch and change the disc after ___ hrs of gameplay?....personally I don't think anyone would care....and history supports that too (RE4, etc.) as long as the game kicks azz....its a easy trade off vs. paying for a format that I don't want, delaying the console, risk of failure, unforseen problems with the drive, etc.

[kornbeaner]

you know you are very correct when it comes to commentent made by developers as far as taking machines to their limits so early in their life cycle, but by the same token the power of the machine is not really what I question. I gave the 360 their just props. It's the Data storage factor and OS i really question. Windows is a powerful OS and easy to develop for but history has shown that developers reach the full potentail of any window system in about 2-3 years, where as even to this date developers still find a way to squeeze out that little more out of the PS2 cuz of the OS.
GOW 2 will be out and will still improve. But how much time is gonna have to be spent with compression coding to get stuff to fit on one disc, even if it gets shipped on 2-disc. time is gonna have to set apart for compression leaving ideas out of the final product due to deadline. history has shown that the sony products always have a lifespan of at least 6 years cause once developers know the secrets to coding for the system, there's that little more that can be done with their systems. if you honestly doubt the prowess of the sony OS look at games like Okami, Final fantasy 12 and look foward to God of war 2 these are games that should not even be capable of being made for the PS2, but developers who take time to learn the OS and System can do so much.

[FirstknighT]

Nice...sounds like you know what ur talking about. I hate when fanboys just throw around numbers like there is no tomorrow!

[ACE]

whats wrong with sony? . r they scared ? . throwing out rubish like this tut!!!

same old sony smoke and mirriors :) .

u cant help but laugh at them :)

peace out :)

[FeralPhoenix]

I disagree with this:
"GOW 2 will be out and will still improve. But how much time is gonna have to be spent with compression coding to get stuff to fit on one disc, even if it gets shipped on 2-disc. time is gonna have to set apart for compression leaving ideas out of the final product due to deadline."
-the biggest flaw in this arguement is that you assume developers have a set deadline that can't be broken when it comes to making games.....Wrong!, that can't be further from the truth, as evident in all the changes in game releases, they have target deadlines, of course they want to have their game finished by a certain date, but we all know that almost all dev's at some point or another change their deadlines because they just couldn't make it for many different reasons.....and yes we(fans) don't like it but "SMART" dev's do what evers neccessary to ensure they reach the full potential or more of the vision they had prior to development....this was some Cliffy B. stated they accomplished with GOW. BTW, again 2 discs won't be a problem its the content and the dev's skill that matters.

Also I disagree with your assessment of the Windows OS's compared to PS2 OS....of course dev's are still squeaking out everything they can from the PS2 because it dominated last gen and still has a considerable fanbase...so there still money to be made until the PS3 arrives and gains a legitimate market share....then eventually the focus will switch to the PS3.....uhm, I could go on but I got to run.
Peace!

[kornbeaner]

Once again i can see where your coming from with your comments and once again i'll agree to a point. I know that Dev's can push back there deadline's, but you have to also assume that only a handful Dev's can acutally get away with it. Epic is one, Nintendo is another (reason being that most titles that get delayed are their titles anyway) and the most infamous for pushing back deadline's is RARE. Now granted and I'll give Epic this just by looking at GOW this game could'e been pushed back until next year and it will still be impressive, but how many games are gonna come out between now and let's say the next 6 months that might take away some hype of GOW had it been delayed. Plus to top that off you know that microsoft was really pushing for Epic to release GOW by the Holidays, cause when you really think about 360 doesn't really have a killer system seller until now, thanks to GOW. I've stated that a 360 is on a christmas list for my brother because of GOW.
But as we fans know, if a game is delayed for to long we put beyond reasonable high expectations for said game. Daikatana and perfect dark zero are two that come to mind, these are game that were delayed and delayed and i believe it was 5 yrs for daikatana and close to that if not more for Perfect Dark Zero. And when both games came out who really enjoyed either one, no one. But then again that's comparing apples to oranges cause both of those games developers are not of the caliber of Epic. But you have to assume that games will get delayed more and more as developers have to find out new tricks to squezze what they can into a DVD-9. Hopefully we wont see any more perfect dark zero's out there. and as far as 2,3,4 or disc goes i could honestly care less but the delays that come with it, are the main concern.

[THELANDOFSANDS]

is that sony lie 3 times more.

[Aflac]

I will always be around to expose u for the liars u r, course u'v already done that urselves--lmfao!!!

Kmis87: that was bold of u to refer to what a fanboy on that forum said to be a reliable source, how did I know that would be the best possible way u could argue? No official sources? no developers? none of sonys BS?

My arguement still stands...
the RSX has access to only 256MB, so it can only deliver 256MB textures, that is a big reason why the ps3 CANNOT handle Gears of War.
Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? “256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB. We pushed the 360 to the limits.” Another member from Epic’s team chimed in with the fact that there are currently more Playstation 3 programmers than Xbox 360 programmers. “It (the PS3) is in our future. We always had plans for the Playstation 3 and an engine already runs on it.”
http://www.siliconera.com/i...
So far, u guys are still using randomness, that doesnt work in these kinds of arguements.
Reposting so no1 misses the TRUTH:
You actually believe what a retarded walmart employee says? Dont u remember how sony killed dreamcast by forcing store employees to spread lies about the dreamcast, cut advertising, etc???--> news4gamers.com/gaming/News-34 1.aspx
I must first inform u that this site puts spaces in random parts of any links we post, so, use ur brain and delete spaces once u copypaste this to ur address bar (cant believe u never figured this out wen I posted links in the past, lmao):

The 360's tech advantage:
Now, here is the original claim by Sony before the downgrade:
"Using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8GFLOPS"
Did u see that at the beginning? USING SONY'S CLAIM, AND WE ALL KNOW U BELIEVE ANYTHING SONY CLAIMS. If sony really didnt make this claim, they most certainly would have taken legal action against MS, that is only fact. Obviously, ur definition of "analyzing" is denying anything that is actually fact--refusal to believe the truth, u only believe wat u want to believe, grow up, b a man and face the facts.
Epic recently mentioned that the ps3 is not capable of handling GOW, and Epic is a multiplatform developer--unbiased, just like Ubisoft who also have stated that only the 360 will be able to handle future splinter cell games. That just adds to the list of developers now revealing the 360's superiority over ps3.

Now to update that equation replacing the 550MHz with 500MHz:
52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * (updated speed-->)500 MHz = 208.0GFLOPS

Now, let's compare this to MS's GPU:
48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

I could be wrong, but isn't 240 GFLOPS greater than 208 GFLOPS??? Isn’t 240 GFLOPS also greater than 228 GFLOPS???

My Sources:
xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers, THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW IN CLEANING PRODUCT COMMERCIALS, THE COMPANY WHO MADE THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT POINTS IT OUT, (Sony NEVER counterattacked this like they did the downgrade rumours, which is saying a lot): www.xbox360.ign.com/articles/6 17/617951p1.html

RSX Downgrade: dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/forums /thread/237189/

IBM’s own white papers on the cell structure: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks /power/library/pacellperf/?ca= d rs-#table4

THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH, SO THATS WHAT I GIVE THEM!!! GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

I rest my case...

[Silver Bull3t]

...good one. Looks like I got my daily laugh.

[Raist]

Holy hell, now that was the funniest reply on earth

"the xenon is the 360 gpu, the cell is the ps3 cpu einstein, comparing a gpu to a cpu is like tryin to compare a cd player to a cd, makes no sense"

The xenoN is the 360's CPU... the xenoS is the 360's GPU. So you wanna talk 'bout hardware and you don't even know the chips' names ? :/
And for your first statement, "3.2GHz isn't faster than 3.2GHz".

You missed the point of multi-core processors. Cell has one main core and 7 secondary cores running at 3.2GHz, so yeah, that's faster than 3 cores @ 3.2GHz. Because when one core is busy with a task, another core an do something else. That's easy to understand.

Why the hell do you think Intel and AMD are releasing dual core processors that have the same frequencies than single core processors. Would be a bit useless if it was the same thing, huh ?

[PS3 Ultimate]

Lots and LOTS of Controvusy

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

uh...mart...how dumb are you?

Seriously, you're a homosexual!!!

You're saying that Sony said the PS2, when it came out, was 10 times more powerful than the XBOX??? I mean, you would be SO RIGHT if the xbox hadn't come out like 3 years after the PS2....

However...you're stupid

[Trickedbullet]

The original xbox was a beast. It has a hard plastic cover case lined with a steel casing around the system components. Then, heavy duty plastic covering the mobo and the HD and the cd drive. The xbox was almost invinceable. It was bullet resistant, a weapon of mass destruction, and could survive falls off of buildings.

So, by this logic you could say that the Original xbox was a deadly weapon, shield, and should be feared by all.

The 360 and the ps3 cant say that, nor can any console before it. Only the pc can claim the same. (old heavy bullet proof cases that weighed like more than the human body and took hours to open up.)

[CompGeek]

Grammar "three times more powerful as you?"

[testerg35]

If PS3's Cell is 3X more powerful and the GPU is also more powerful than the 360s, then why isn't it showing in the games? Surely a machine that is 3X more powerful can compensate for lazy developers.

GOW vs RFOM.. GOW looks better.. Don't say RFOM is a launch title so less development time. Insomniac has close ties with Sony and has been working on this title for a while. RFOM was shown at E3 2005.

RR6 vs RR7. Its a toss up between which looks better, but that's the problem. Shouldn't it look awesome compared to the 360? I mean considering how powerful the PS3 is.. Yes.. its running at 1080P@60fps, but from what I saw, they also gave up some texture details to compensate.

The rest FN3, Virtua Tennis, NBA 2k7 are minor upgrades that are attributed to extra development time. FN3 is a year old for goodness sakes. Would you buy it if it added nothing to the 360 version?