Valve: "We're not PS3 developers"

Valve's main marketer Doug Lombardi was on hand recently to show off the latest version of the awesome looking PC, 360 zombie shooter, Left 4 Dead. But PS3 is being left out of the loop.

[sonarus]

fair enough

[Cwalat]

reading article....

my comment: "no shiet?"

[marinelife9]

That's fine then I don't buy Valve anymore. Any Valve game I purchase will be used or off of Ebay.

[dan-boy]

or twisted to fit the sony fanboys logic. if valve are being honest, and think that they can make greater games by concentrating on a particular system, then who the fvck are you lot to start calling them out??

only last week, (apparently) the team making ghostbusters claimed they could've done more had they been ps3 exclusive. i didn't hear all the sony fanboys slagging them off! all they did was do what they do best and start chucking mud at the 360.

so the way it goes on here nowadays is this. if a developer says they can achieve more by concentrating on the ps3: they are brilliant, and the 360 sucks and means gimped games... but

if another developer claims they can achieve more by concentrating on the 360, they're crap, and their games are not good anyway. or as someone else said below valve=epic fail...lol

it just shows what the fanboys who dwell on here think.

a developer concentrating on the ps3=brilliant

a developer concentrating on the 360=bad

grow up saddos!

a quick edit: i wonder if you lot would've said the same thing if valve had come out and said that half-life3 was gonna be ps3 exclusive????

[aiphanes]

But they came out and said they do not have the balls to develop on the PS3...then more power to them...they will eventually develop on the PS3 in 2009...they will have to...once popularity of the PS3 surpasses the Wii and Xbox 360...we all know it will...its on the same track as the PS2..

[dan-boy]

in europe only! in japan and NA it's nowhere near what the ps2 was doing at the same time.

and it aint gonna be til late 2009 at this rate until it surpasses the 360. and give then attach rate of the 360, developers know they can make money out of it with decent games..as i said, imagine how many half-life3 would sell?

[Qbanboi]

@ Dan-boy.

Dude, WTF?? Of course that we have to complain. If a developer says that they don't want to make games on the Ps3 we get angry, and you will see more people complaining because there are more Ps3 fan here. So get used to it, damn it. I hate that every freaking post i see from you, is crying because there are more Ps3 fans and that make you sad.

I bet that if Insomnia says, 360 sucks balls, and they will never make a game on it. You will be the first posting "Guest what Insomnia i don't care, you suck, M$ rulez". So, man get use you it. Majority wins

[dan-boy]

before we start, who are insomnia anyway?? if your talking about insomniac though...no, i dont think their games suck balls at-all. and i'm looking forward to 60player on-line in resistance. and jak and daxter were pretty decent platformers also. so be quiet fanboy.

and well done for making yourself look stupid "Of course that we have to complain. If a developer says that they don't want to make games on the Ps3 we get angry"

so that makes it ok to say that valve are crap? because they are ignoring your precious(think of smeegle from the lord of the rings). does it? because valve are pretty decent developers.

bottom line, you fanboys are pathetic, as i said above. if a developer is ps3 exclusive they are brilliant. if they 360 exclusive they are bad. some people need to grow up.

and before i go. your rite i do complain about the amount of sony fanboys on here. because you all post crap, and cling to rrod. plus, you all slag off 360 games when there's no need. fvck, half of you lot haven't even played a 360.

stop talking sh!t, and i'll stop digging you out.

[HighDefinition]

I loved PORTAL!

But, I`ve never really cared for Valve, their talented, Half-life was cool but I got bored very quickly playing all of them.

RFOM2 for instance, interests me WAY more than any Half-Life game or the Orange Box, for that matter.

w/ that said Left 4 Dead is more of my type of game, and the ONLY 360 game I care about at all anymore.

[v1c1ous]

there are TONS more sony console exclusive big name companies, without even counting japan.

you can count on one hand game companies that are not owned by microsoft and make games only on 360. most of all 360 titles come from multiplatform companies.

PS3 owners were thumping their chests last week when ghostbusters said "they would rather work on ps3 for best possible outcome", well. here's one company with a legitimate reason (understaffed), that would rather work on 360 for the best possible outcome. its one company guys.

for every 360 exclusive company, you got like 10 japanese ones that only do sony consoles.

stop being hypocrits.

[fenderputty]

is that valve has already stated they had problems working with the PS3 before. Going this route makes them look incapable and lazy. Its not a bad decision on their part though. They will still sell games and be able to make better ones without the PS3.

Personally ... I don't really care too much. There's plenty coming out this year to keep me happy.

[harv711]

While I agree with most of what your saying, were you on this site last year? It was the bash the PS3 site, where 360 fanboys bashed the PS3 constantly. So I ask you have you forgotten all of that?

Personally I like honesty from developers, even if it's not what I wanted to hear. So Valve doesn't develop for PS3, that doesn't bother me. What does bother me is when a game is promised by a certain date, and is delayed over and over again.

Although I don't own a 360, I'm not going to constantly bash it for whatever reason. I have better things to do than waste my time with hating on a piece of hardware. Fanboys are are fanboys, on both sides. How many times have 360 fanboys bashed the PS3 for the same exact things your complaining about?

[solar]

here is the full article posted here almost 3 days ago. Doug Lambordi said "we arent ps3" developers there. yet...only 11 comments by us that were interested in Valve in the first place. obviously no one really cared about reading the article until "oooh, Valve said "we arent ps3 developers" in this story title. frankly it shows me you guys wanted something to hate. and here it is.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[zapass]

- the RROD console with the worst reliability of all time
- the PC platform with more piracy than real business

valve who??

[Montrealien]

Although I do agree with you,

Jack and Daxter/Uncharted/Way of the Warrior/Crash = Naughty Dog

Ratchet and Clank/Decapitator/Resistance = Insomniac

[Qbanboi]

@dan-boy

When did I said Valve was crap? I love the Orange Box, but i sux a$$ that it's worst on the Ps3 just because Valve don't "Like" making games on the Ps3. Dude, this is like a forum, people post here to say what they like and what they dislike, so we just can't say that we are angry that Valve isn't going to make games for the Ps3? Because YOU opinion is what matter?

Yo, if someone is a fanboy here is you. If you don't like everybody complaining just ignore us. And before you go telling other people the "you hate because you don't have a 360" look at the pic.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2vtt...

[DigitalEntity]

They are shutting themselves on half the market, not to mention that will not sell in Japan and half of Europe. Besides that, not pleasing PS3 owners will damage Valve's image on those markets.

Not a smart move, either they don't care how much they sell or they are just dumb. My bet is on the second.

[Montrealien]

Yeah, Valve is dumb....har har. Guess who is the dumb if you think the people running STEAM is Dumb.

They said what they have to say about the PS3. IF you are mad at them and accusing them of being idiots, stupid or not knowing what they are doing then you are simply a fanboy with one console in his patrents basement and mad cause a good dev is not supporting your console of choice.

Myself I got a good PC with Steam full of TF1/TF2/CS/CS:S/DoD/DoD:s/Half Life 1-episode 2 ect ect...I don`t care if they never make a game on consoles, neither do they.

/flex @ disgrees

I am gamer with choice, you are fanboy with less choice.

[sunnygrg]

Incognito, with far less devs, have done great with the PS3 especially Warhawk. 150 is more than enough for developing on two consoles according to my calculations.

[gameraxis]

who are bots bringing up the ghostbusters post, congratulations you're truly idiots. theres a Huge difference there that you xbots are refusing to realize and that is Ghostbusters is STILL comming out on the 360, sure they said they would rather build on the ps3 but they're sucking it up and doing the game on BOTH...

HERE, they're giving up on the ps3. Do you see the difference now? Can't hardly be a fair comparison

Too Human $ucks

[DigitalEntity]

@ Montrealien wrote:

"IF you are mad at them and accusing them of being idiots, stupid or not knowing what they are doing then you are simply a fanboy with one console in his patrents basement and mad cause a good dev is not supporting your console of choice."

It looks like you sir seem to be the fanboy here. Your hatred comment towards me is typical of a fanboy wanting to flame a conversation!

As I stated before: My opinion is that they are shutting themselves of part of the market (the PS3 owners). That is not the current trend of the industry (Activison, Ubisof, ...)

@ Montrealien wrote:
"I am gamer with choice, you are fanboy with less choice."

Your comments are pathetic :(

[Montrealien]

So Too Human sux, without ever trying it? And you are the one accusing people of not being fair?

Talk about a pot calling the kettle black...sheesh.

@DigitalEntity

If what I said gets them inner flames going, you passed the fanboy test ;D

[Glad to be a gamer]

I say give the crowd what they want and they'll love you for it.

Cod4/dmc4 "same on both systems"= "actually not exactly true". got pics to back it up.

GTA4 "i like the softer warmer colours on the Ps3 version" = "downgraded res, vaseline filter and faded colours"

Ghostbusters= could of done more if it was Ps3 exc.

In the end these dev are just trying to sell their games and kudos to them at least Valve are being honest and up front and trying to maintain the quality of there titles.

(Less ram = more problems in running the same game)

[le killer]

jak and daxter = insomniac check it out http://www.insomniacgames.c...

@ gameraxis: so too human sucks? and it's still porbably 5 months til release??? where did you play it? and can you put up some links showing the finished game?

because, only the worst fanboys are saying that too human looks bad. it's not only looking great, but has also some pretty nifty features: 4 player on-line co-op(which in it's self is nothing spectacular),but it's an RPG. with persistent characters, and enemy A.I which adapts to the level of the players.

i would say it's looking anything other than sucky!

[DigitalEntity]

@Montrealien

Why do you keep attacking people?

Judging your post history... maybe you should go and make yourself productive instead.

[Montrealien]

@ DigitalEntity

Thanks for the life lesson, from now on I will work a lot harder at being more productive in life. Thx sir, oh, also from now on I will take comments section like this very seriously, it is serious business it seems right?

And I attack Fanboys, not people, don`t ever confuse them again. Humanity will be insulted.

@ LE Killer

That link just proves what I said.

Insoniac = Ratchet and clank, not Jak and Daxter.

http://www.naughtydog.com/j...

[marinelife9]

Don't get your panties in a bunch because some PS3 owners who are consumers by the way decide to vote against Valve with their dollars.

If Valve doesn't want to provide content for my machine then we just choose not to provide dollars for their wallet. It's called capitalism.

[le killer]

lol you are rite...could've sworn jak and daxter was insomniac. cheers bud. i'm out of bubbles(lost a one today with my post above).

@ marinelife it is I dan-boy in another guise...i made the dan-boy log-in when i forgot my password with this account. anyway, i wasn't attacking you or anynbody else earlier. i was just pointing out how fickle, pathetic and damn rite hypocritical the ps3 fanboys are on here.

@ qbanboi just ingore me then. i wasn't saying it was YOU who was attacking valve, just the other twats that were/are.

sony fanboys who dismiss valve are just suffering from sour grapes. to dismiss their work past/present and future is pathetic. as i said, imagine if half-life3 had been announced as ps3 exclusive?? that news would've been welcomed with open arms, and valve would've been hailed as the better than average developers that are....not now having their work and name besmirched by a bunch of nobodys.

and all those that agreed with me (dan-boy that is) be a sport, and chuck some bubbles my way. for speaking the truth, it would appear that i've lost a bubble already today.

[dantesparda]

So let me get this straight, Sonarus says "fair enough" to Valve saying that they dont make PS3 games (and noticed how their tone, Valve's, has changed from "no we hate the PS3 architecture", to now, "we just dont have enough people", sounds like somebody is starting to come around). There was nothing even remotely fanboyish about what Sonarus said.

Then Cwalat says "no shiet?" Because we all know that on this site. Nothing fanboyish about that either.

Then Marinelife9 says, "That's fine then I don't buy Valve anymore. Any Valve game I purchase will be used or off of Ebay." Thats not really fanboyish, because he has a right to feel that if they wont support his platform, then he doesnt have to support them.

And then, out of nowhere, here comes dan-boy with this completely off-topic and fanboyish and flaming comment, "i like how things are forgotten or twisted to fit the sony fanboys logic. if valve are being honest, and think that they can make greater games by concentrating on a particular system, then who the fvck are you lot to start calling them out??"

And gets all these agrees from the rest of the 360 fanboys for it. Now tell me how were the first 3 guys comments before him being even remotely fanboyish? the only one being fanboyisn was dan-boy, with his inflammatory comment that was attacking PS3 fanboys for no reason other than his disdain for Sony fanboys? Fanboyism is retarded and it makes all you people look stupid for it. And this is coming from a Nov. 05, 360 owner.

[Homicide]

Valve are great developers. They make some awesome games. If EA are making the port, I hope they don't screw it up ala The Orange Box.

[fusionboxer]

You must love how much attention your getting.

Anyway the Ghostbuster devs might've said they would be able to create a better game if they concentrated on the ps3, but what are they actually doing? They're making a multiplatform game for almost every system regardless of what they personally might want.

Valve concentrates on the PC and 360 and that's fine, but what good is it for them to persistently say they don't like or work on the ps3. Is it to show their lack of talent or drive for a multi million install base or is it the fact that they simply don't feel the need to learn new hardware? What do you take from it?

No ones currently complaining about Gears, Fable, or the past Halo being exclusive. Ps3 and 360 owners all understand that if a developer works on one platform then they will reap the benefits. If they work on many then it's solid that they'll have to find a common denominator. It's common knowledge now that the ps3 has a bit more development space and to say otherwise is ignorance.

Your also taking reality and distorting it to your view in order to call others dumb. Gamers aren't saying Valve is a bad dev just because they don't develop for the ps3. There are actually a host of reasons that some might dislike them. They remain focused on one dev tool that's clearly outdated, they're led by a pompous fatass, they clearly live in the past, other then the half life series they aren't very well known save for mods that other people created using tools they've made, etc. etc. I for one don't like them because they allowed EA to bring a less then stellar version of Half Life 2 to the ps3.

Basically what i'm saying is if the sony homies start talking bad about valve then it's not because they don't work on the ps3. It's obviously something their management blurted out, or some other dumb crap they did or decided. You don't see the whole gamer population hating on all the other devs working specifically on the 360.

[potenquatro]

agree with sonarus.

to all those hating fanboys:as soon as u buy multiple systems ur problems will go away.stop atacking devs because u only have one console and u want it to be the be all end all console.alot of u sound too unreasonable. if ur acting like this now imagine if another golden age like the 16-32bit era comes up.your gonna miss out on alot of great games and consoles with that attitude,and it will be ur loss.there will never be a be all end all system. it's like the ps1 phenomenom left everybody with a bad habit. if u wanna game,buy a system.u wanna be a gamer....i think ur gonna need more than one.i read in a post that there are more sony fans in this site and we should deal with it.well ur console falls short in some ways,deal with that instead of talking out ur arse. i have ps3,xbox(broken) and pc.people like me play the games u love and the games u hate,u guys just play some games and then hate the rest of the time.go talk trash in a sony site not a gamer site. :)

[Dark General]

I completely agree with you there. I don't like the Half-Life series and i think it's totally over rated (seriously people should stop comparing it to Deus Ex) and i found it mediocre at best. Now Portal and Team Fortress 2 are completely different stories. 2 great games. I love Gabe and the rest of Valve's honesty about things, so if they say they won't develop on Ps3 i have no problems with that. I think until Ps3 "proves itself" to Valve more then when it comes to developing on consoles Valve would go where money can be made, as any other company would.

[wow4u]

" the team making ghostbusters claimed they could've done more had they been ps3 exclusive"

No, the CEO of the company said that. Second, Ghostbusters is owned by SONY.

Take his "insight" with a grain of salt, he's probably repeating something fed him by Sony.

[Homicide]

Sony owns the rights for the movie, not the game. Just accept that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.

[yesah]

its really funny when fanboys call others fanboys, and act neutral. Honestly you lack any point at all, one person is not everybody. And i for one say that if they dont ant to develop on the system i own, fvck them. Anything wrong with that? You are a 360 fanboy, thats fine. Just dont come off all high and mighty saying, "you fanboys are so pathetic."
when you stick out your finger ponting at someone, you have three finers pointing back at yourself. Feel free to use that in your kindergarden class tomorrow.

[solidt12]

Well if they make a PS3 version I will buy it. I saw a gameplay video and it looked great. Plus I love zombie flicks so I have to get the game. I have a 360 also but I will no longer pay for Live since I can play for free on my PS3 with no problems.

[gameraxis]

I just threw it in there as an off topic against xbots "JOKE" i actually like the way the game looks no i haven't played it

Remember u can be an xbox fan without being an xbot

Any comment i have against 360 is in response to fanboys bashing sony FIRST so if your not them then don't take offense.... SHEESHH

(if u responded to my first post then ur a fanboy as well huh dude?)

Hook line and sinker

[The Lazy One]

Here's a few facts. Any game will be better if it's exclusive to any platform. You can work out gameplay issues and performance issues to tune the performance to be the best it can be on the system. That is a fact.

Second, just as many devs have said that it's significantly harder to port for the PS3. Liken it to climbing. Sure you'll have 5 people that can climb everest, but you'll have 20 that never get close, and some that die horribly on the way. Does that make the 50 or so that can climb mckinley worse off?

Bearing that in mind, PS3 went lead platform on a lot of games because it's difficult, not because it's more powerful. You don't design something for the powerful system, you design it for the one that'll be easiest to port with the least lost.

PS3 can be very powerful. It can also be incredibly gimped to certain aspects of a game. It's not better, it's different.

[The Lazy One]

i don't even know how it's possible to double post on here.

[samfk]

its cus the ps3 is too much hastle to programme for u cant blame them!!

[solar]

personally i dont care if Valve doesnt like the ps3. developers have their preferences and they have the right to develop games for whatever platform they want. Gabe has gotten flack for calling out ps3 owners (like myself) but thats his opinion. doesnt affect me what he says because Valve games on PC are superior to the console versions.

i only buy Valve games for PC for the fact of Steam and keyboard and mouse configuration. Valve is my favorite developer.

[themyk]

360 owners love zombie games. so thats fine with me. if it's not resident evil. i don't want it. so you guys can have it. enjoy. i saw the video, trust me you guys can have it. looks right up your ally

[solar]

where did i say i even wanted to play L4D? and i own a ps3. not a 360.

[Amanosenpai]

Not serious,

I think its a cost benefit reason.

[kewlkat007]

Huh...?

So first shooters, now zombie games, were moving right down that genre list. I suppose..

Who cares...there are devs, that just do PS3 games, am I gonna cry like a little b$%^h about it NO!!!, I got a PS3.

Valve are PC devs first, IMO and the 360(again), shares the same architect with PC's. Not that surprised..

@Meus down below - Kid I'm sure this has nothing to do with whether they are skilled or not. If a dev wanna put the time/man hours into learning a new architecter I'm sure they can but do own Valve?, Do you know their financial situation? or about how they choose to spend/split money on projects?

Like I said, some 3rd-party devs only do games on the PS3 or vice versa. That Unskilled or Lazy logic is getting old Bra.

[jwatt]

That's cool with me, weren't alot of people saying if you can't make a ps3 game then don't make one at all. They will eventually make a ps3 game again(half life 2 for the ps2 anybody). It will be down the line when the cost are down, there is a bigger install base, and the ps3 development has been tapped.

I'm also hearing that Valve is a small team and if I was them I would probably wait to make a game on the ps3 and I'm a sony fan boy saying this. If I had a small dev team who was struggling to get a game running on the ps3 it would be scary ecspecially when you here things on the forums like I'm not buying this valve game or Ea game because they suck. You know these developers probably listen to what we say and some devs might even say if you don't want our game then we won't make it.

[NDN_Shadow]

I agree whole heartedly. Though this hurts for PS3 owners like myself, in my opinion, Valve makes pretty good games. If they want to go exclusive, then so be it, it doesn't mean they're bad developers. There are plenty of good 360 games like Mass Effect, Halo and Gears.

I also agree that Valve games are pretty much better on a PC anyway. There's a much higher user base, and the games were built for the PC first anyway.

To add to that, Valve isn't allying themselves with Microsoft either, since STEAM is directly competing with Microsoft's Windows LIVE service for PCs.

[Meus Renaissance]

We all know the console is hard to program for but we're starting to see many developers now improving their games on the system. The fact that Valve cannot and will not is rather embarrassing for them. Go back to school? Hire skilled employees?

[LJWooly]

Maybe Gabe Newell's just afraid to have to get off of his fat arse and learn some new tech. That's cool, though. He'll just miss out later on.

[solar]

calling them unskilled is not fair meus. they dont want to use their resources to program for the ps3...whats all the hate for a developer because of that reason? its their business they can make games for whatever platform they want. im sure there are developers that dont like the 360 or wii and refuse to make games for the systems.

yes Gabe hates the ps3. but calling them unskilled after what they have shown in their past games is stupid.

[TresTrendu]

That's not true Sony should make the proper tool's where they dev's don't have to spend a bunch of extra time trying to make their game's work on there console.

[sarcastoid]

i think it's safe to say it's not just a "well we just don't want to make ps3 games" it's basically "we don't know how to code for the ps3 so we'll just skip it." which IS embarrassing for them because the stuff they make is so good that the fact they can't code for the PS3 is... sad.

[drewdrakes]

Read the article. How could a developer that small handle a game on multiple systems with completely different architectures. Not only that, but im sure theyre working on a new Source engine, which is definitely a small undertaking.....

[solar]

your assuming. a developer comes out and says "we dont have the resourses for ps3 programming, our business model is gonna be PC/360" and they are lazy, crappy developers?

Valve doesnt owe us ps3 owners anything. ps3 owners need to knock off this "me me me! i have a ps3! all 3rd party dev's must make me games cuz im awesome with my ps3! if they dont they are lazy, sh!tty devs!" attitude. its sickening. Valve are great developers. OB didnt win so many awards for being sh!tty. and they arent lazy either. they constantly update and release new maps, game modes, etc for their current library.

[rawg]

I'm sure they have or can acquire skilled developers who can program the PS3 so that's probably not the reason. In reality, it just wouldn't be in their best interests to contribute to the adoption of the PS3 ecosystem.

Think about it, Valve has a good thing with Steam. It's a managed distribution method for PC based games that they control, which avoids the biggest problem with PC gaming, piracy. The 360 and PC share the same architecture, which is why the 360 is considered "easier" to develop for and why there is almost always a PC port for 360 games so it's not really a threat to Steam.

The PS3, on the other hand, is totally inconsistent with the Steam model. PSN and disc based games on PS3 architecture are a competitive threat to the Steam business model, so it makes sense that Valve wouldn't want to support it.

Gabe is a jerk but Valve's position on PS3 gaming is just part of their business strategy.

[sarcastoid]

I never said they were shotty devs or that the stuff they've done wasn't great.. it's all great... it just looks bad when they don't know how to develop for a console. It doesn't bother me personally as I have a PC, 360, and a ps3... but still I prefer my PS3 over my 360 and my semi-obsolete PC that won't be upgraded for a while. I'm just saying it'd be nice. It's fine though, I'll just be playing L4D on 360 I guess.

[wow4u]

@3.3

That is exactly what Carmack has said, the development tools and environment are very poor compared to MSFT.

When Ballmer says "Developers Developers Developers" I guess you people didnt understand; that to enable DEVELOPERS and treat them like customers is the way to success.

The Cell isnt "hard" to program for -- it just requires "unnecessary" effort. The Cell's DSPs are meant for signal processing, and the developers have to jump through hoops to get the machine to perform like the Xbox 360.

Carmack, Newell and even KOJIMA have said much the same thing.

[NDN_Shadow]

Unskilled? Have you played any of Valve's games? They know what they're doing. They're probably the best PC developers. Half Life 2 was GotY. Portal was also highly regarded. The Orange Box in it's entirety is still an amazing deal.

That, and STEAM is faaar better than Microsoft's Windows LIVE.

[jessupj]

This attitude that valve has does piss me off. It's not because they are not going to make games for the ps3. Did I get upset at halo 3 or mass effect? No I did not. It's their arrogant attitude that leaves me in disgust. Why do they have to be so stubborn and close minded?

If you want to focus on a specific platform so you can make the best game possible, then great, go for it I say. But valve isn't doing this. I believe they are just lazy fanboys, because I know they have the talent to code for the ps3, but for some reason they arrogantly refuse to. Surely everyone here can agree the ps3 is a great console as well, it has heaps of potential and a good install base.

It's their attidude that has hurt them, not their decision. Let me say that again. It's their attidude that has hurt them, not their decision. And because they are immaturely refusing to support the ps3, I refuse to support them and I will not be buying any of their games in the near future. It's a pity it had to be like this, but I just refuse to give developers like this my money.

And if they do decide one day to bring their games over, they may find ps3 owners are still very angry with them. They have no idea how much they are hurting their business.

[Relcom]

Its cool though the are PC developers and thats how from now on how i'll play their games.

[4cough]

Ps3 shouldn't be so crappy.

[juuken]

Your system shouldn't burn down homes.

[juuken]

La Chance, the 360 WAS the cause of a house burning down. I could believe that.

What did you want me to say...that the 360 is a God-given gift?

[caffman]

it was a faulty original xbox power lead. They did a recall and replace on certain types a few years ago

[FLOPbox 360]

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[Sir Ken Kutaragi]

SONY: "We don't Care"!!! ;-D
SONY: "We don't Need You"!!! ;-D
SONY: "Like we don't Need 'Epic'"!!! ;-D
Sir;)Ken: "Let's see you GROVEL come December 2008"!!! ;-D
2008...
Valve: "Hi SONY! Can we please make games for your SUPERIOR PS3???
We have sacked the bone-heads who can't even program a Microwave oven"!! ;-D

+PS3 gamers don't want 3rd rate P.C cast-off games thanks Valve!!! ;-D

[Mr Marbles]

Sony: LOL Yeah we don't need great best in the world games from valve and epic.

As long as we have our homo-erotic pedephiliac over rated Japanese duds, we will continue to sell a small fraction of the games sold on 360 and just keep pretentending to still be relivant in the video game industry, hell why not it works on the idiot fanboys on N4G, they still worship us and we have only given them 1 half decent game in the entire life of the PS3, dude raider. LMAO!

[gambare]

"We don't have the brains to develop for the PS3, we are stuck in obsolete computer architecture"

[Mr Marbles]

LOL!!!!!!

So let me get this str8, you have Sony's balls so far down your throat, that you actually think the PC is obsolete and the PS3 is the next great computing platform? are you insane, THE PS3 ARCHETECTURE IS BROKEN! no one wants to program for it, they only do because they have to, it is less efficiant, more costly, and strugles to produce the same thing 360 produces with half the man hours. Leave the crack alone.

[Pain]

Any One that Complains about LEARNING NEW THINGS is lame in my books.

[Sir Ken Kutaragi]

I think you have lost your Marbles!!! ;-D

+Well said 'PAIN' my good friend;) Lazy they are!!! ;-D
They can stay using last-gen technology!!! ;-D

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I agre............ damn I froze u.......... reboot ok Im goo......... fuc...... I froze agai.........

Look!!! I'm online searching......... searching.......... searching......... searching........ freeze.......... searching.........

Look my PS3 controller rumbles! oh wait thats my 360 controller........freeze...... ....

Look how good GTA IV looks on my PS3, opps nevermind thats a 360 gameplay video I downloaded to play on my PS3, sorry I wa.............. freeze.

<--- put in a Blu-Ray movie..... working...... working...... working
<--- puts in GTA IV..... working, oh shi......... freeze......

[TheOutsider]

They just can't mess with the best! That's why!! They stick to the easy and worst sh*t!(360 and PC).PLAY B3YOND!!

[PSMonster21]

Who cares valve can do what they want. If you really want to play their games just get a PC.

[ravinshield]

Fuk the ps3.that sh!t is gay and heavy and ugly.

[Archaeox]

It's so funny when Xbots type in all the problems of one system, even though most of em are rare, and they also like to live in the past

[Xlll]

@ravin- How pretty is that box when it melts and sets fire to your home? Oh and sounds like a vacuum cleaner is great huh? Oh 33% fail rate and counting.

@Jason3fixme - playing......playing.....almos t 1 hour of play time.....RRoD.......waits almost 2 months......Playing.....RRoD again......Waits again........playing.......dam aged disc.......playing......RRoD.. .......rinse and repeat.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Don't like my anti PS3 comments in light of one of the best devs not liking the poor wittle PS2 (opps I mean PS3) well you can all go fuc.......... freeze........ yourself......... freeze.......... disc read error........ freeze.

[Xlll]

LOL jason you are retarded beyond belief. Best dev? If you like the same sh!t over and over with the same graphics. And PS2? Says the guy with the console the lowest visual output. For example GTA IV and Ironman.

[LJWooly]

Well, to be honest, outside of Orange Box, there isn't much else Valve can offer to the PS3, especially so considering what's to come for PS3 this year.

[hades07]

What exactly is left for the PS3 this year after MGS4 besides Resistance 2. FF13, Versus 13, God of War 3, and Gran Turismo 5 aren't coming out until 2009.

Not doubting the PS3 but after everyone calling 2008 the year of the PS3 I think the year of the PS3 has to be pushed back to 2009.

[castags]

wow, forgetting much? Little big planet, killzone, home, and some more warhawk. Don't be mad that mine is bigger than yours. I'm sure i missed some too.

[nevelo07]

all they can do is do sh!t off basic pc tech b!tches

[LaChance]

you've got to be the most unorginal fanboy on N4G. Come on man how many times are you gonna bring up the "360 burned down house" joke , you've said it in EACH AND EVERY single thread since that story popped up.

Geez man find something else , you are BORING.

Yo sound like a scratched cd or something

Some sony fanboys are funny , take example on them , step up your bashing skills man.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ below : lol.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

The 360 burned down a house

[liquidsnake]

Please LaChance it goes both ways you know. How many times haven't we heard "the PS3 has no games". Just shut your gob please.

[karlostomy]

and that aint no joke.

Juuken well done. A girl gamer? Awesome!

Now grow up.

[Deadman64]

I agree dude. I called Juuk on this before. "She" freaked out on me. Explaining how her feelings get hurt when she is called a fanboy because she's really a girl.

[Marty8370]

They are dumb F#ckers that will get left behind.

[InMyOpinion]

Reminder - PS3 is in 3rd place.

In what way are Valve being "left behind"?

[Ace Ventura]

Reminder- Xbox 360 will be there very very soon.

[KBDuB]

Why is it there loss? Maybe a few years down the road.. But, right now they know games sell on the 360, not on the PS3.

But, it sucks that they won't make games for the PS3, and vice-versa for some of the studios that work just on the PS3.

[InMyOpinion]

Reminder - You have been saying that since 2006.

[juuken]

Reminder: The 360 had a head start and yet they couldn't fix the RROD. And the PS3 is younger than the 360 so of course it would take them time to get the show on the road. And now, they've been outselling the 360 for months.

And guess what?

It won't stop anytime soon. :)

[InMyOpinion]

Outselling by less than 100 000 consoles per month. That won't close the gap anytime soon. They need to outsell the 360 by at least 300 000 units or more per month if they hope to catch up before this generation of consoles comes to an end.

You could say that the 360 had a head start, or you could say that the PS3 was late to the party. If I remember correctly Sony had problems producing enough Blu-ray lasers. The PS3 was techically ready a year before it was released, so it was stalled and not further developed on as some of you want to believe.

Back to the PRESENT(all you crystal ballers). Any way you try to twist it, the 360 has a much larger install base and a better attach rate when it comes to games. As a games developer it's more profitable to release your game on the 360 than on the PS3.

[juuken]

Outselling by less than 100 000 consoles per month. That won't close the gap anytime soon. They need to outsell the 360 by at least 300 000 units or more per month if they hope to catch up before this generation of consoles comes to an end.

"You could say that the 360 had a head start, or you could say that the PS3 was late to the party. If I remember correctly Sony had problems producing enough Blu-ray lasers. The PS3 was techically ready a year before it was released, so it was stalled and not further developed on as some of you want to believe.

Back to the PRESENT(all you crystal ballers). Any way you try to twist it, the 360 has a much larger install base and a better attach rate when it comes to games. As a games developer it's more profitable to release your game on the 360 than on the PS3."

You guys have a really bad habit of underestimating the PS3. That's all I have to say about that.

The reason why the PS3 was delayed was because of the fact Sony didn't want to release a defective system. If the 360 had done the same thing, they would have been ahead of the PS3. The 360 is only ahead because of their software. They are not hardware expects-Sony is. Sony are not software experts but at least they have people working with them to provide the best service for customers. That stuff may be taking quite a while but in the end it will be worth it.

[Ace Ventura]

lol I could really care less what anyone thinks. I KNOW Xbox 360 is going to come in last place. PS3 just turned one year old in Europe in March. THink about that. PS3 is going to be here for a LONG time.

Do you think Sony is trying to win? You do realie the PS3 is still a 400-500$ console right? The most expensive console of all time for now. And its outselling the Xbox 360 by 200,000 and over 200,000 every month. Soon....very soon it will be outselling it by much more than that.

Xbox 360 doesn't stand a chance. You can believe it does... though there is absolutely no reason to believe it.... it's really beginning to sale poorly... already has been selling poorly. I know P3 is going to win.. and by alot. A whole lot.

[dan-boy]

your wrong mate, and your fanboyism has made you blind to the facts. the ps3 could've been out a whole lot earlier. sony didn't give a damn about making a non-defective system. they wanted to make sure that they had blu-ray, and that ment delays because of the laser as someone else.

how long have you been gaming?? both my ps1s and ps2s both died becasue of the problems that affected alot of people. rrod is a problem with the 360, but both of sonys previous consoles had inherent defects... but, the ps3 is doing pretty well. so sony have learnt by their mistakes. microsoft isn't the first platform holder to have problems with their hardware don't you know???????

alrite ventura, i see you have found the place where you belong. outselling by 200k plus a month??? lol where in your sony fanboy head has that been happening? got the links with all the sales figures? even so, the ps3 is sitting about 8mil units behind the 360, just say it stays at 200k a month...well i'll let you do the maths mate. then you can see how long it's gonna bringing up the rear. i can't see sony overtaking til early 2010. and i can see microsoft releasing new hardware around xmas of the same year. sony wont be beaten this gen by a long shot, and they may not get beaten next-gen either. but i don't think sony will rule the roost forever. and one thing is for certain, they will never again dominate like they did!! get over it mate.

[InMyOpinion]

"The reason why the PS3 was delayed was because of the fact Sony didn't want to release a defective system."

Sony themselves admitted that it was because they didn't have enough Blu-Ray diodes ready. Who should we believe? You or Sony?

http://www.engadget.com/200...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

"The delay is due to a problem with the mass production of the blue laser diodes needed for the Blu-ray DVD player in the machine Sony said."

[DJ]

PS3 has been averaging about 800K units a month and Xbox 360 has been averaging 550K a month worldwide. In fact, PS3 has been outselling the 360 since November of last year.

The gap is a little under 6 million units in terms of hardware sold, and it keeps decreasing with each month. By early 2009, the installed base of each console should be dead even.

[KBDuB]

I just want to say one thing..

The PS3 is the best console, right? Then stop using the excuse that it's behind cause it came out late.. If it is the best console, then it should ALREADY be past the 360 in console sales. Simple as that.

[TheKungFool]

Wasn't the 360's year head start going to kill the PS3?
Wasn't the PS3's price point going to kill the PS3?
Wasn't the Master Chief's Halo3 going to kill the PS3?
Wasn't the XBox Live service going to kill the PS3?
Wasn't HDDVD going to kill the PS3?
Wasn't the 360 price drop going to kill the PS3?

And what, not getting a few VALVE games are supposed be of concearn?
I get games from SquarEnix, Konami, Atlus, Nippon Ichi, Naughty Dog and such that 360 owners won't, so I'm not too worried.

And this illustrates why its rediculous for the 360 camp to brag about their game lineup; most of the 360's top rated games are on PS3 anyways, and those that aren't I can get on my PC.

[Homicide]

Have you forgotten? The PS3 has been selling at a faster rate than the 360. In 2 years, almost 3, the 360 barely done 18 million sold. The PS3 in 1 year, almost 2, sold 12 million, and that's without well recognized IPs, high priced, competiting with two other next gen systems. The 360 had no competition in its first year. Pretty pathetic for MS.

Also wasn't Halo 3 suppose to kill the PS3? What happened? Oh thats right, the 360 got outsold weekly by the PS3 since November.

[kingme71]

I think Valve is really PC developers that develop for the 360 because it is easy enough to do that with a PC game. I would argue if that wasn't the case they would say we are not console developers.

[criticalzero]

Well you can blame anyone for being honest. But I still think he Valve are not good developers cause good developers should know how to get around such stuff. Look at GTA?? it runs great on PS3..Oblivion, Uncharted, Assassin's creed...etc, etc....There is no need for them to keep whining...

[TheIneffableBob]

You are taking this out of proportion. The ONLY comment from Valve that has ever bashed the PS3 is Gabe Newell's "The PS3 is a total disaster" comment. Everything else said about the PS3 was simply something like, "We're not PS3 developers" or "We're currently not developing for the PS3." They are not whiners and are excellent developers. Valve are not developing for the PS3 because that would take development time away from the PC version, which is the version they are focusing most on. They have 360 versions because porting from the PC to the 360 is a fairly simple process. According to Valve, they pretty much just took PC code then made it so that it would compile on the 360, then tweaked some things here and there.

[ChefDejon]

babies

[SL1M DADDY]

And that is why they will never be a top notch developer. When companies like Infinity Ward can make a completely multiplatform game and make it awesome, that is when you see true development beauty. If Valve wants to stick to what's easy for them then they will always be second and third best but never first. I hope they are content being a "joe somebody".

[LastDance]

I completely agree.

[criticalzero]

Exactly..that's wat I said earlier..(maybe not so harsh though)....But still....Look at Rockstar too...That's why I love them...they really take pride in their work, they try their best.

[LJWooly]

Agreed, my friend.

[justgamez]

Agreed.

[Glad to be a gamer]

on the new ip for the ps3. Also because they are a small team and don't want to spread themselves to thin.

Fair enough i want what ever they do to be quality and so i want them to give it there full attention rather than having to spend time porting the game over to the ps3. You guys would of probably boycotted anyway as the port would of been the inferior version.

Well my laptop is pretty old now and so i'll be playing this on my 360 don't want have to pay for an exspensive upgrade when i can play pc/exc 360/multiplatform console games on my 360 for the price of £200.

To those that have payed for an exspensive pc rig each to there own. but i for one dont wanna pay to play one exc game (crysis and 360 games like gears and mass effect a year later.

[LJWooly]

So, because a Sony fan is posting on here, he must be secretly distraught about Left 4 Dead not coming to PS3? Get real.

[SL1M DADDY]

Yeah it looks good and will be a pretty good game to get for the 360 but is it ground breaking? No, it's another zombie game. It will be a great stop-gap for the wait before RE5 but it will be nothing more than a blip on the gaming radar for most.

[caffman]

because of the PS3 COD4 maps coming out later than the 360. Fikkle bunch I guess

[LastDance]

enjoy the open zone TresTrendu -

[SL1M DADDY]

Stereotypes are NOT your friends...

[GrammarPolice]

I'll take him at his word. If he's being honest and their workforce is only so large, it makes business sense to concentrate the effort where they stand to gain the most benefit. Under the right conditions, (as the PS3s install base grows and if their financial status will permit it) it would then make sense for them to venture more into PS3 development. Ho-hum article that states the obvious.

[solar]

bubble for you. i love how all these ppl think they Valve "owes them" to develop for the ps3. no one is jumping other developers bones for not developing games for said system.

their business model does not see it logical to develop for ps3...maybe that will change. calling them lazy for not doing it is stupid.

[Glad to be a gamer]

It just makes more financial sense at this present time with there small dev team. Also as i stated know one wants to get an inferior product. If this was ported while it was being made for the 360/pc the port would be inferior.

[Meus Renaissance]

What does this mean for them though? As PC piracy hits cult levels, and and the PS3 userbase grows to a degree that developers can actually make alot of money from - will Valves main source of revenue come from the Xbox 360? It honestly just sounds like sour grapes. I remember Gabe ranting Sony take the platform out of the market and release another, developer-friendlier one. I'm sure Sony are now regretting ignoring you Gabe, they're seriously screwed now Gabe - what are they do, you totally pwned them, you the man!

/end sarcasm.

Valve = Epic Fail

[solar]

its very hard to pirate a Valve game. u have to download the executable thru Steam and they have greatly cut down on piracy of their games. if it didnt work why would Valve release Steamworks for FREE for any PC developer to use?

[socomnick]

I though valve used steam as a piracy deterrent. Isn't it kinda hard to pirate games that require steam ? Anyway they have the right to do or so whatever they wish its their company and best of luck to them.

[dan-boy]

how ridiculous! valve make pretty decent games, and half-life 3 being exclusive to any console is 100% a bonus.

[Glad to be a gamer]

There dev team is only made up of 153 people. They had to make a decision on where to place their man power.

Pc is where they started and have a massive fanbase. They also have a big fanbase on the 360 who are made up of those that have played versions of there games on the xbox/360 and Pc gamers that have got tired of paying to upgrade their rig.

It just make sense from the financial side of things. Also i think GTA4 has taught us somthing about the ps3. The Os takes up more memory that the 360 counterpart. That why games like colin mcrae removed some of the background and had installs to get them to run smoothly.

Gta4 was downgraded in resolution. Rockstar are very talented developers and delayed the game to spend more time on perfecting it and this was the outcome. I hate to say it but Gabe may of had a point with some of his rants.

I also remember id software the quake wars developer stating that when making the game it was aquestion of whoops the Ps3 has run out of memory again lets remove a few things and then see how it runs.

These developers can't all be lazy???

[pwnsause]

when games like MGS4/RFOM2/KZ2 (AKA the most realistic game so far and that was in pre-alpha)/GTAIV /etc. are appearing on the platform and looking amazing, then these specific devs (ID and Valve) are judged lazy in my book. besides the "no ram" issue is getting fixed, Sony released a dev update that released a lot of ram on their dev kits, and that was according to Criterion games.

[Glad to be a gamer]

Hey im sure that Sony are tryignt o tackle the lack of ram problem but the fact remains that the Psn network still does not offer all the features that Xbl offers.

So hwo are they gonna shrink the Os requirements down when they still have to add more features?

Sony are an electronics company and Ms are a software company. It shows.

Which one will be more important this generation?

Right now im leaning more towards software as although the 360's hardware isn't as reliable its being fixed but also Hardware is a sum of its external parts. These parts are bought externally and Ibm,Intel, Ati and Nvidia are the leaders when it comes to computer technology.

We have already seen the difference that the two different Gpu makes in each console.

[wow4u]

"levels, and and the PS3 userbase grows"

At the current rates, the PS3 will never exceed the Xbox 360 user-base. What does Valve really loose then?

[pwnsause]

i do agree that the PSN isnt up there yet, but the fact still remains that if you do not develop a game on a certain console because its too hard to work for, then you should just not even be a developer to begin with, being "lazy" to learn the hardware doesnt work in the idustry.

@n4user1
yea, the PS3 sales won't surpass 360 alright, go ask Europe and Japan. yup, the PS3 outsells the 360 every month with the console sometimes outselling its rival every month, but its not going to surpass the 360. good job for being dumbest kid here on n4g.

[Mr_Showtime1]

its a real shame Valve are being like this, they have an opportunity to make alot more revenue using the ps3, we saw earlier in the week how portal was rejected from xbox live because of microsofts stupid size restrictions whereas PSN would have been perfect for it as it doesnt have limitations.

[tony]

a ps3 version later on. no big deal. i love half life 2 and portal.

anyways, i'm waiting for left 4 dead and this game.. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[hendyman]

They go only the 360 and Pc way? I know why... Piracy, they don't have enough money from the HL franchise to pay proper developers for PS3 port:)

[Surfman]

too bad for them, because soon they'll have no choice to develop on the PS3, because its going to become the next-gen console choice.

[TresTrendu]

If they was actually worried about the install base of consoles they would dev for the wii. So they are sorry about nothing. Wanna play there game's get a 360 or play it on the pc or get over it.

[tony]

i own the ps3, but i play the 360 much more than the ps3. not being a fanboy , just being honest.

[bootsielon]

I'm not a Valve game buyer then. I'll make sure that whenever I want to buy a Valve related product on 360, it will be used so that they don't get my money. Either that or I will resort to piracy for the first time in my life. Perhaps that way when Gabe Newell has heart diseases from all the fat he eats, it will be too expensive to undergo surgergy for him. Fatso.

[KBDuB]

Wow.. you're mature. So, how old are you?

[Neurotoxin]

At least their honest. Fair enough i say.

[Silverwolf]

He trash talk the PS3, EA came and ported the Orange box. Making his team in a way look under skilled. So there's no going back now all he can claim is "we're not PS3 developers".

[caffman]

it was a leeetle bit of a letdown compared to the 360/PC versions

[PirateThom]

You know, I love Valve, but no one is a "PS3 developer", you're a developer or you're not. If you can't be bothered to work on PS3 because it's not a PC (which the 360 basically is from an architecture point of view), then just say you can't be bothered because it's not in your business plan.

Valve are PC developers, the 360 only gets lumped in because it's easy and they make more cash.

[lociefer]

ok fine, ps3 gamers wont appreciate ur games , 360 gamers will be busy with the RRoD, pc gamerz are nearly dead, so HA

[Salta_nelas]

I think they mean the crappy looking.

[Ashta]

This is why the orange Box for PC was/is the last purchase I buy thats from Valve.

In my opinion though I don't even think that Valve is really all that great. Everyone seems to love them because of Steam, but even so the majority of the stuff found on Steam nowadays isn't even made by Valve.

Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Portal.

That's the extent of Valve's developing portfolio and even then those games are primarily based off of the same engine (although I think TF2 is different). I mean, Day of Defeat was just a counter-strike mod that became autonomous, TF was just a CS mod that became autonomous, and Portal is a puzzle-spinoff of the Half-Life series set in the same game world.

A twelve year old company and we're still playing the same stuff they put out years ago, but with a shiny new coat of paint for each graphical upgrade in episode content.

Not entirely innovative if you ask me. (Portal was the first thing I've seen out of them EVER that wasn't just another run of the mill FPS).

[SlippyMadFrog]

Half-Life was ground breaking and definitely not run of the mill. When HL2 came out, it broke new grounds all over again. Portal is a totally unique piece of brilliance. In my eyes, valve is one of the greats. The only reason they are getting stick from you guys is because they don't prefer the PS3. I don't understand why you guys are worried since the PS3 have plenty of good developers already.

[THAMMER1]

With the PS3 developers seem to be in a D@MNed if you do or D@MNed if you don’t situation. If they make the game for PS3 it will be looked at as the retard version or scaled back version. If they do not make it they get dogged like they are ignorant or not sophisticated enough to make PS3 games.

What has been proven week in and week out that it is harder to develop for the PS3. So if developers like valve (which is completely independent other than publishing) set out to make a multi platform game they have to do what any well rounded company would do and weigh out options.

If those options mean include not developing for the PS3 then think about why PS3 fans.

#1 why not.

Valve is only 150 people. It has been proven time in and out that PS3 games call for larger dev. teams and bigger budgets for even the simplest of games.

#2 CASH money

If it cost them an est. 10mil. for the 360 version of games and 15 - 20 plus millions to make a PS3 version, only to have that version sell like used toilet paper (*cough Orange Box *cough). Then making the investment will not help Valve make sales or revenue targets.

Calling Valve cry Babies and inept is pretty disrespectful. If I was Doug Lombardi I would surly not be excited to make games for PS3. If he has read any PS3 fan forum or website he is sure to discover how you people feel about Valves games.

So PS3 fans now that the word is out there you seem to be O.K. with there not being a PS3 version. I know Left 4 Dead is a 1st day XBOX360 purchase fore me. Thanks Valve. I think Doug Lombardi needs to give the PS3 fan base a shout out that says F*** you Pay me!!!!!!

[Ashta]

Well, while I see where your coming from Valve can't really say "we're too small to develop for the PS3".

Insomniac games only has 150+ members and they've cranked out Spyro, Ratchet & Clank, and a few other titles over the years. Not only do they develop for the PS3 but they also work on cross-platform programming tools to help other developers improve their coding when dealing with the PS3 and other ports. Look up the Nocturne Initiative.

Also, Naughty Dog only has 85 members and they pump out games like Jack and Daxter and Uncharted.

Sure, they have Sony watching their backs on a few things but It's not like Valve doesn't get help from Microsoft considering they are primarily a PC developer and all of the publishing money they get for putting other peoples products on Steam.

Valve is very well capable of developing for the PS3, but they are made up of mostly PC worshipers who feel that any architecture that deviates from the PC world is heresy.

[PirateThom]

My opinion is that PS3 owners just refuse to buy the gimped versions of games.

Call of Duty 4 sold well because it wasn't gimped, Devil May Cry 4 sold well because it wasn't gimped, The Orange Box sold like ass because it was gimped to all hell. Why should anyone throw devs a bone for a lesser product?

Developers know that to get PS3 owners to buy their games, they have to give them the best version, whereas they can release anything on the 360 and have it sell just because of the attach rate and install base and Valve just aren't willing to put the work in for a PS3 game.

Valve have a problem with Sony consoles, not the PS3, the port of Half-Life to PS2 wasn't done by Valve either, it was done by Sierra.

[Glad to be a gamer]

Ashta Insomniac and Naughty dog are small dev teams and guess what they make games for one console. That why the quality of there games is so high they also do not spread themselves to thin... Your point is?

Pirate THOM exactly Ps3 guys would just boycott the product after it came out and was the inferior version. Although Rock star managed to spin it so that no one felt let down.RS "I like the softer and warmer look of the Ps3" Fanboys "yes we have the better version".

Reality softer and warmer due to the downgraded res, vaseline filter and less vibrant colours. Classic spin.

Even Dmc4 and COD4 are actually slightly inferior on the Ps3. Have pics to back it up. Textures are worse on the ps3 version. I'll post them if you want??

Ps3 owners just wanna hear/believe there getting the same or superior product. I say well done RS in giving them what they want and

"GETTING YOUR MOOOONEY FROM THOSE PS3 OWNERS!!"

[juuken]

Well, that's their decision. I suppose they'll go where the money calls them. Sony has plenty of developers and it's not the end of the world for them.

It won't be an incredible loss.

[KBDuB]

People tend to forget that when dissing another studio for not working on the PS3..

[Lucreto]

I think this applies to Valve.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch...

http://ie.youtube.com/watch...

I studied this in my Business Class. You should watch it through to see where I am coming from.

[Le-mo]

Valve: We're not console developer's.

[iceice123]

Is a complete waste of time better spent on actually improving your game on the 360/pc. Everyone knows, wether they can admit it or not, games sell and play better on the Xbox 360. PS3 just wastest your time with no payoff, and the owners bought it for movies anyway.

[juuken]

Ignorant talk.

In case you haven't noticed, the PS3 has games.

[caffman]

just not many good ones

[solidjun5]

of course, you would say that since you haven't played them...or anything on a PS3 for that matter.

[zapass]

and you're a dumb @ss

[caffman]

actually I've played rfom, warhawk, dmc4 and Hs on a PS3.My daughters boyfriend has one

[TheOutsider]

Your comment is as Gay as your icon pic and yourself!! FANBOY!!

[JadeTyrant]

just going to miss out on extra money...someone remind me, does Valve have any big name titles? It's early and I just woke up...brain isn't ready to think yet

EDIT: A disagree? someone disagrees that i just woke up? NICE
Knife + Your Face = Stabbed!

EDIT: @solar, thanx...funny thing is I just finished the orange box not too long ago

[solar]

they made The Orange Box with HL:2 and its episodes, Portal, Team Fortress 2, and the Counter Strike series.

[Z F1GHT3RS]

i doubt that they would gain a profit on the ps3. this is not a fanboy comment. so dont ACTIVATE YOU'R SONY DEFENCE FORCE WILL YOU NOW!!!.

TO DEVELOPE ON THE PS3 AND GET A GOOD RESULT YOU HAVE TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY like any good game. The money you spend on developing/recruiting developers to port on ps3 costs a lot.

we all know that like it or not the playstation community doesn't buy 'as many' games as the community of both xbox and WII.

now it is a massive risk 4 3rd party develpoers like valve because you spend loads on developement and you might not get ny money in return from sales.

360 easy to develope and you have a better chance of turning a prfit

game
dont hate

disagree if your gay
agree if your not and love fit women
:)

[JadeTyrant]

I bought my PS3 just for the games thank you very much...that was a foolish statement and you know it...humans are not ready to live on Mars, so come back to planet Earth.

[callahan09]

Doug Lombardi is a douche.

Valve is cool, but they should lose the fatso. They'd be better off.

[TrenchaunT]

These comments are hilarious. I think the reason Valve doesn't develop for PS3 is because when they don't please all the PS3 fanboys, they write insulting comments about them. And it's hard to please the fanboys.

I find it funny that the minute a company decides not to port to the PS3, the game is automatically a bad game and they are bad developers. Wow. Clearly no one else in the world is allowed to be successful or have fun unless they do it the PS3 way.

[spooky205]

that comment goes both ways. i remember fanboys slaggin on Haze cause it became a ps3 exclusive. Fanboys want to suck all the fun out of gaming.

[Baka-akaB]

Vavle is being lazy , in the good sense of the term , if there is any .
Fanboys from both sides got little to rave about , Valve ports its game on 360 , because the dev is similar to the point its not even a port anymore , but just a matter of integrating XBL into the game instead of steam .

Porting on ps3 , while i wish it would happens , , would mean developing a whole new game , or running two teams from the start .
The idiots in the story are EA , who cant get a good team to code on ps3 , sully the valve games ps3 reputation , and lower their chances of getting good sales ...

I'd advise anyone anyway to play valve games on PC , their games runs now on many configs , its where every valve players are , steam is still the lesser evil compared to XBL , and actually now even good .

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I used to be a big fan of HL but I was kind of disappointed in HL2. Its a solid shooter, don't get me wrong, but in this day and age games need to be more than that. Plus the gravity gun gets old after awhile.

Then after they butchered the Team Fortress franchise, one of my all time favorite games, and wasted no opportunity to badmouth the PS3, I got sick of them.

They can keep left 4 dead, the graphics suck anyways. The only good game they Im looking foward to from valve is counterstrike, but its been so much has changed in the gaming world since that game was first made its hard to say if it will still be relevant.

[Jamaicangmr]

For seemingly good developers they lack vision and the ability to grow past PC achitecture. Anything outside of that is deemed evil and thus broken. For game developers they sure seem to hate growth and evolution. It seems to be if it's not Windows or Windows based they run around like scared mice. Thats just sad when you think about it.

Well their title won't be missed it'll probly get lost in the crowd of PS3 games coming out anyway.

You're lose Valve.

[pp]

loads of ps3 fan boys were hoping for this game to come to ps3 one day.but instead they just got b*tch slapped

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Ill just have to play the far superior PC version on my PC that will smoke a 360:(

[Ali_The_Brit]

pp, who where these fanboys? you cant just spew out random lies you little sh!t. thats what makes you the laughing stock MORON of this website

[TheOutsider]

we don't need this crap!! I rather b**ch slap your "MOM" as a game than play this.

[Baka-akaB]

@PirateThom

No i doubt valve is prejudiced against sony . They are against anything different from pc developpement period . And thats a shame its not as if was necessarily and always the pinnacle .

[yanikins111]

we care? i like good games anyway

[SlippyMadFrog]

Orange Box -> 96.3% average over 55 reviews (via gamerankings)
Half-Life 2 -> 95.5%
Half-Life: Counter-Strike -> 89.2%
If you like good games then you'd better hope that Valve change their minds and get to work on good PS3 ports

[yanikins111]

Good games are not made by reviews. Honestly i find valves games shallow and weak on gameplay. I played half life for a bit. I played the orange box for a bit, but there is nothing there. I didnt find anything stand-out-ish about the gameplay, the characters were boring, there was no story development. The only thing i enjoyed on the orange box was portal and it wasnt worth the money i paid for it.

[SlippyMadFrog]

Halo 3 had crazy hype which it didn't live up to, that doesn't mean it was a bad game.
Half-Life has an EXCELLENT story.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you, YOU may not like the HL series (which I find rather suspect considering the article) but the MAJORITY do. Saying it isn't good doesn't hold any water.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I find it interesting how ignorant people are when it comes to the PS3. They say its harder to dev. games for, its not worth it. These are just excuses for lazy, unskilled devs that don't know how to think out of the box.

They just want to keep programming games the same way they always have. Fact of the matter is, the few developers that are finally starting to understand the PS3 Architecture are doing things on it that arent capable on Xbox.

There are plenty of games on PS3 that wouldn't be technically possible on 360, Motorstorm's vehicle destruction, Drakes Fortunes Animations, SuperStardusts 1000s of objects on screen. The PS3 has more potential but I think developers like Valve are intimidated by it and afraid to spend money making those games.

[caffman]

*cough* madden *cough* lair *cough*

[xfrgtr]

Exactly

[sleepbox]

Valve > any devs

Left 4 Dead is going to be awesome...on my PC.

I'd be lazy as well! Not enough $ to be made from the PS3.

[LaChance]

they got the "superior line up" for 2008 so I dont wee why they are so worried for this game.

@TONY SCARBONI : what a stupid comment.
and I guess the developres of Half Life arnt very talented right ? but Lair's , Hsword's devs have IMMENSE talent right ?

[DFresh]

At this rate Microsoft needs some exclusive developers to make people more attractive to their console world wide.

ex.)Sony only developers
1.) Namco (Tekken series)
2.) Insomniac Games (Ratchet & Clank, Spyro the Dragon, Resistance Fall of Man, etc.)
3.) Kojima Productions (Metal Gear Solid Series)
4.) Polydigital Production (Gran Turismo series)
5.) Square Enix (Final fantasy series)
6.) Rockstar (GTA series for a long time until GTA IV, L.A Noire (2009)
etc.

ex.)
1.) Bungie (Halo series)
2.) Bioware (Bioshock)
3.) Valve (Left 4 Dead, Crack Down, Half Life series, etc.)
4.) Epic (Gears of War)
etc.

[caffman]

are NOT PS3 exclusive

[xfrgtr]

LA NOIRE PS3 EXCLUSIVE rockstar
FF13 PS3 EXCLUSIVE square enix,CRY XBOTS

[InYourMom]

Stop it with the made up Rockstar exclusive crap. They may be working on an exclusive game but it certainly isn't LA Noire because that is coming to the 360.

http://kotaku.com/340738/la...

The only place still clinging to the LA Noire exclusive and making up the GTA V exclusive stuff is the brilliant Sony mindshare at N4G.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Looks like the MS camp is full of PC developers that have abandoned ship hoping to keep their careers afloat.Sadly the PC is a costly dead platform for gaming and Consoles are evolving i.e PS3 Cell, Bluray etc.
They better start learning how to change paradigms and be ready for the future which is PS3 Cell if they want to keep their jobs..

Time to open up and read those IBM Cell books and stop with the same old PC FPS engines Over and Over, and Over, and over, and...................
Im so sick...

Funny how alot of students in the Universities are already learning Cell!!
Be affraid Valve be very afraid for your jobs ,PC developers!!! .HAHA
J/K
Just learn it man.

[ScottEFresh]

LOL

Valve shouldn't be so crappy. Half Life ? BORING Half life 2? BORING

Portal?? BORING Orange Box ? CRAP! CoD4 please...

I'm glad they aren't developing for the PS3 because all of their games are overrated SHI|! Especially Half life which had the best facial expressions for characters of its time and ummm yaaa...thats about it.

ALSO...HE says they won't do it because it's not a proven IP. Well then you can bet your ass this won't make to PS3 because once GIMPBOX/PC owners play this game they will throw it in the garbage and never talk about it again.

[sleepbox]

Sorry dude, but shooters will outsell any of the crap you have listed.

And Ps3 owners just want BRU LAY movies. They don't actually care about games.

[JadeTyrant]

I own a PS3, and I care about games...you can't speak for everyone child

[Ace Ventura]

ATTENTION: DESPERATE, LIEING, FLOPbox 360 fanboys... Look how close the FULL YEAR younger Playstation 3's worldwide software numbers were LAST WEEK and the week before --------------->>>> ;

PS3: 1,078,335[1,020,836]
360: 1,304,129[1,131,572]

Can you comprehend what I just showed you... are you REALLY that big of a DESPERATE SORE LOSER.

Again...

PS3: 1,078,335[1,020,836]
360: 1,304,129[1,131,572]

Do you understand the PS3's software sales are doing very well?? and you are a liar? Do you understand the Xbox 360 is already a 200$ console in Europe and a 250$ console in America.... and is getting beaten by the Playstation 3 in hardware sales every month by 150,000 to 200,000 and sometimes over 200,000?? Take a look lieing, insecure douche--->

Last 2 weeks hardware sales:

PS3: 197,543 [171,983]
360: 162,226 [135,030]

Do you realize Xbox 360 is losing to a 400$ to 500$ console by 30,000-50,000 every week. And soon Japan sales are going to pick back up when MGS4 is released. So will America and Europe.

DO YOU REALIZE HOW BIG OF A FLOP THE CONSOLE YOU SUPPORT IS AND HOW BIG OF LOSERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU F@GS ARE??? Do you realize PS3 is about to release a tone of bombs and get a price cut this year and smash Xbox 360 sales???

Wait... did you see how close those software sales are??? Or did you miss that again? Did you forget how long of a headstart XBox 360 had... all the advantages it gained from that... and HOW BIG OF A COLLOSAL FAILURE THE XBOX 360 IS... and ir STILL probably wont be able to sale 45 million when its all said and done.

DO YOU REALIZE YOU JUST LIE?? That you are a sore loser and you console is the WEEKLY LOSER? And only has a 5 million little lead becuase of a rushed defectice console? Do you realize SONY ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO COMPETE YET??? AND STILLLLL AREEEE WINNINGGGG????

Do you realize soon the PS3 will be winning in worldwide hardware and software sales???? prove me wrong. Playstation 2 is still 130$!!!!!! Xbopx 360 is already 200$ in EUROPE!!! HAHHAHAHAHAHA

how cheap is going to get>??? As cheap as the PS2??? IT CAN BARELY BEAT THE PS2 IN SALES!!!

XBOX 360 IS A FLOP. A FLOP. A FAIL. PS3 is smasing the 360 just like it smashed your little HD DVD drive and just like PS3 is about to get GTA 5 Exclusive... straight from Rockstar. Just like the PS3 has even another NEW IP Exclusive in the works from Rockstar right now(that isn't L.A. NOIRE.... read the link straight from Sony and it's not old...

http://blog.us.playstation....

Wait whos the FLOPPING, losing console again??

Lets take a look one more time for the Xbox 360 fanboys in denail...

[Ace Ventura]

Prove me wrong b1tches.

Xbox 360 is selling like GARBAGE. Look at the softwware... won by 100,00 one week and 300,000 the next... GARBAGEEEEEEE

Look at hardware sales in contrast with how much cheaper the Xbox 360 is than the PS3 for now(ALOT cheaper with quite a few more games... though now PS3 has alot also)

GARBAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE

XBOX 360 IS PERFORMING LIKE GARBAGE AND WON'T EVEN SALE 40 MILLION THIS GENERATION. Sony isn't even trying to win yet!!! HAHAHAHA But they will be in not too much longer. Next pricecut is 300$ for PS3. It is coming. PS3 will be winning by around 400,000 and more a month.

Take a look at the TRUTH and stop lieing. Xbox 360 is GARABGE and PS3 has been fcking WORKING the Xbox 360 since last November and its never goign to change.

[sleepbox]

Instead of wasting my time with you, I will just laugh and say that I plan on picking up a PS3 next year, when they are worth owning.

Also, very funny how no matter how well PS3 hardware does you never see the software numbers mentioned by these fanboys...you know why? BECAUSE PS3 HAS NO GOOD EXCLUSIVE GAMES EXCEPT WARHAWK.

[TheKungFool]

Check out METACRITIC (which balances review scores for games)

Now check the 30 highest rated 360 titles.
Here is what you'll notice:

1) 21/30 of those highly rated 360 games are also on PlayStation
2) 5/9 of those not on PlayStation are available on PC anyways
3) The PS3 has more "exclusives" rated over 80% than the 360 does

PS3 doubters are quickly running ouit of excuses.

[InYourMom]

Numbers provided by VGChartz instantly makes your whole post worthless.

Not even going to bother reading that garbage.

Let's just say this Ace, you aren't convincing anyone and the PS3 is still in last place. For a system that is supposed to be superior, was the market leader for 2 generations and has a 120mil fanbase. Compare that to the 360 who are still the babies and the PS3 is looking rather weak. Not to mention it's lost it's market domination to the Wii. READ THAT AGAIN! IT HAS LOST ITS MARKET LEADERSHIP TO THE WII.

Let me know when you get within a million of the 360.

And somebody give this guy a hug he obviously needs one.

[TheKungFool]

Your point was an epic FAIL.

The only reason the 360 is still ahead of the PS3 is the 9 million units they sold prior to the Wii and PS3 showing up.

FACT: 360 sales have steadily decreased over the last 2 years.
FACT: Wii and PS3 sales have been increasing.
FACT: Worldwide, the Wii and PS3 have outsold the 360 since 2007.

[thexmanone]

To date, 27,064,200 Xbox 360s, Wiis and PS3s have been sold in the Americas. Of those consoles sold, 42.9% are Xbox 360s, 39.6% are Wiis and 17.5% are PS3s.

http://www.vgchartz.com/new...

[Ace Ventura]

bRO....Xbox 360 is losing in EVERYTHING on a weekly basis. LOL.

iT GET OUTSOLD EVERYHWERE ELSE AROUDN THE WORL ON A WEEKLY BASIS. PS3 IS CATHINC UP QUICK. And NO Xbox 360 does not still own 42% of the American market. Your dreaming.

[ar]

Valve = PC. Don't care if there games won't show up on PS3 since I prefer it on the PC anyway.

[pp]

Valve: "We're not PS3 developers" ahh poor ps3 fan boys. i'm giong to enjoy playing Left 4 Dead on xbox360

[TheKungFool]

why am I poor?

While you're playing "Left 4 Dead" I'll be playing "Metal Gear Solid 4", "Killzone 2", "Haze", "Digaea 3", "Resistance 2", "LittleBigPlanet", "Uncharted 2", "Final Fantasy XIII" and so on and so forth.

Trust me lol, we don't need your sympathy, nor do we need VALVE.

[InYourMom]

Not only that but Half-Life Episode 3!! Can't wait for that.

Valve just might outsource it for the PS3 though like they did with Orange Box. I guess it's better than nothing.

[brothersimon]

Well they know it's crappy, so they made the right choice.

[JadeTyrant]

I like the Half-Life series...awesome story, tough as nails Alex, and of course the Gravity Gun...does anyone remember the scientific term for the Gravity Gun? Bubbles if you do!

[liquidsnake]

You mean the Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator ;).

[kewlkat007]

making the best "Business" decisions that's Best suites them, at given times.

Right now, the Sony PS3 is not part of the equation/decision for Valve.(For whatever the reasons)

Fanboys can only cry and gripe. Buy the fn Platform if you love (input dev here)'s games. We hear it all the time with PS3 (only) games.

[Lucreto]

But from the video I posted above if they don't take business opportunities and stick with what they know they will be left behind.

They should see the PS3 as a new opportunity for expansion.

[kewlkat007]

Says who?

They do PC games first. Their most important platform. Plus most games start out on the PC.

PC's are starting to get more multi-core games and probably will use Blu-Ray drive when they are cheaper, and "The Cell" quite frankly is not a Gaming CPU(It's just not). I still wonder if it will be used in PS4.

I don't see where they will be left behind? What's so special about the PS3, that the PC cannot handle? Or even better?(PC will always have more Memory, Better CPU, HDD space, and GPU while all being scalable with the times. The only thing that hurts PC games is Piracy.

Personally, I think they are a PC developer and the 360 happens to share same architecture so porting is a synch. We could say the same about some (only) PS3 devs, are they that lazy to make the same games for the 360 or PC?

[MrBii]

Gamers: "we are not Valve games players"

Enough said.

[caffman]

PS3 Gamers: "we are not Valve games players.......not that we have any sort of choice"

[MrBii]

PS3 owners get the biggest choise in genres. Always have been always wil be.

We have the best fighting games, best RPGs, best stealth, best action, best racing, best casual, best MMO, best puzzles, best adventures and best FPS.

Whereas flopbox has always been known for its FPS genre only.

And look at where you are at now. PS3 rivals 360 FPS with SOCOM, COD4, Resistance, UT3, Killzone and soon Gears of wars 3.

Yes, thats a multi platform game.

[devilhunterx]

slow news day eh?

well like before, the game will be ported by some developer. But unlike Orange box, I wont buy it.

I will just torrent it on my pc. And developers wonder why pc gaming (revenue) is dying.

[QuackPot]

Because these are talented, highly educated people.

If Valve is making its money from PCs/xbox then go exclusive. But likely, Microsoft wasn't offering them much if anything at all.

So I can only conclude they ported to the Ps3 out of greed. Thanks Valve. You are not getting a dime from me until you end your fanboyism.

[Baka-akaB]

Again they would spit at anything that would pose such challenge compared to developping on pc . I doubt they love MS that much , nor loathe Sony . IF the situation was reversed , with PS3 the mini pc running with directx , and 360 the powerful but cumbersome and pc unfriendly machine , they would be porting their game on ps3

[solar]

from the whole article with Lambordi..a couple quotes for you.

"If you look at Half-Life and Half-Life 2 - we could have quickly put out Half-Life 2 in 18 months. It would have been on the same engine and been a reverse run through Black Mesa - we've all played those types of sequel. But that's not our style. Instead we went insane and spent six years and upwards of 40 million dollars to make the sequel."

"Lombardi: Well, the gap between Half-Life and Half Life 2 was six years. It's not quite four years since then and we've already released two follow-ups that we're really proud of. We didn't milk the cow, so to speak, and pump out more of the same content. "

and their OB ps3

"Lombardi: We're not PS3 developers - we're doing PC and 360 like with Orange Box. EA came to us and said "Wow, Orange box was an incredible project, can we do a PS3 version?"

yeah...Valve is definitely greedy. EA approached them about the ps3 port. 6 years between HL1 and 2. really milking that cow. ::rolleyes::

[Blakzhuk]

Can you guys read? They said they don't have the manpower to put out a PS3 version. Maybe in the future they will. Did you READ the article? Meus just showed his ignorance in this thread too. You guys are priceless! They clearly stated the reasons why they aren't doing a PS3 version and you call them lazy? Then I read some comments on how they aren't great developers? They changed the face of FPS gaming forever on two fronts; HL and CounterStrike. Without HL, there may have never been a CS. You guys are idiots.

Valve = Epic Developers

[QuackPot]

Yes, Valve is an extremely talented and successful developer....yet they don't have the manpower for proper versions of Ps3 games? Hmmmmmmmm? Bulls**t.

[Glad to be a gamer]

Totally agreed on everything. Some people are acting a bit ignorant in this forum.

Valve=epic genre defining developers.

[Baka-akaB]

Once ps3 will be something to not miss , they will . Right now Valve developing their games on ps3 is far from a sure win . Sony and other devs got concurrent titles that could easily crush them in sales .
Its the same on 360 with microsoft fps , but again they got little work to do with 360 ports , so its an easy gamble .

[Baka-akaB]

@QuackPot

Infinty wards ran two simultanate dev teams . And they still had a few hurdles with ps3 dev even if they overcame it .

They are saying they wont spare manpower to such endeavour , and its a business sound decision .

Its falls down to clients to boycott crappy ea ps3 ports , so EA decides to either get a good team , ask valve to port it themselves , or simply give up doing those games on ps3

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

His honesty is appreciated,perhaps when PS3 is more mainstream they will find themselves doing Parallel coding and SPU'ing or find themselves out of a job.?

[Citizen Cook]

No Half-Life2 episode 3 for you noobs! stuck with an incomplete trilogy.... lol
No Portal 2!
No Left4Dead!

Its good to be an Xbox gamer...

HA HA HA HA!

[TheKungFool]

I don't want HL2 epsiode 3.
I don't want Portal 3.
I don't want Left 4 Dead.

I do want Metal Gear Solid 4.
I do want Final Fantasy XIII.
I do want Killzone 2.
I do want Resistance 2.
I do want Disgaea 3.
I do want Uncharted 2.
I do want Socom.
I do want Team Ico projects.
I do want Suikoden IV.
I do want Gran Turismo 5.
I do want Little Big Planet.

you get the picture.

[ps3 is my champion]

I mean, seriously.

[caffman]

portal

nuff said

[ps3 is my champion]

but portal "ain't" got the same kinda pull as the original HL .

When I think of portal, I don't "think" about it, my mind skips over it.

Hl and that original engine gave us CounterStrike and Day of Defeat.

[kwicksandz]

Every single one of valves games have un deniable AAA titles.Ps3 owners without a gaming PC are really missing out here

[zonetrooper5]

Meh, so what?

I will still always buy Valve games on the PC as they are the best version.

[PimpHandHappy]

big deal

in all truth there not all the much a game maker. Its not like OB was a bunch of games they didnt already have made. What other games do they even have, other then a bunch of FPS's.

Portal wasnt even a game they came up with. It was a college students game that they paid for.

no big lose for PS3

atleast the PC/360 has one company backing them

[PimpHandHappy]

everyone of those games is coming to the PC

last time i checked we all have PC's

laugh that one off

[awesomef]

I wonder how much time it'll take before they release a game on the PS3........

[Bladestar]

Valve always being a PC developers... that's who they are... well the fact that they are making it for the xbox 360 is because it's a no brainer... the xbox 360 is too similar to the PC to missout... after EPIC stun with UT3 and how it flopped on the PS3 it's not too difficult for PC developers to want to be very careful how much time and resources they spend on a console that seem to only sell a certain type of game.... xbox 360 gamers seem to have a mixed of PC gamers which is why the xbox 360 sell PC like games... take a look at RTS games ... the xbox 360 sells them ok... how about FPS? the xbox 360 was mocked by anti-xbox 360 as a FPS console only.... well... valve is primarily a FPS developer...

No reason to be mad... SOny has lots of developers that only make games for them... Kojima anyone? is he lazy for not wanting to make games on the xbox 360? no... that's because it's where he knows most of his fanbase is... valve knows that when it comes to consoles.. the xbox 360 is where their fanbase is... and that was proven by the Orange Box which sold very well...

everyone knows the PS3 is different to develope than the PC and xbox 360... also that it requires lots of work... I least they are being honest and fair... is better if they don't make the game than to give you an unferior port... I think all developers should do this... if you can't port the game to the PS3 and it's not equal or better... don't bring it.

[CViper]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

http://www.computerandvideo...

care of that marceles guy a few lines below. Please, just shut up and go away.

Gabes job is easy because he can make games with low specifications, they dont have to invest in new technology either since the 360 has a set specification without an HDD being the base model. They want to make money, people will buy anything on the 360 as long as there is achievements. Its a win win for valve. How many copies is Left4Dead going to sell. Lets not pretend its some epic megatitle that isn't just a mod to the source engine.

[DJ]

Valve isn't too keen on Console Development when the Orange Box was released. I guess Left 4 Dead is their first console game (EA did the console versions of Orange Box) so they're sort of on the right track. But they're definitely way behind in terms of both technology and initiative. Developers have been working on the PS3 since 2006, and it's really Valve's fault for not wanting to expand their profits and upgrade their Source Engine. Engineers from Valve have literally defended their decision (in interviews) not to rewrite Source Engine to take advantage of new technologies.

[SlippyMadFrog]

Actualy, EA only handled the PS3 port, Valve did xbox360 (I think)

[DJ]

Well that doesn't bode well... =/ Hope they do a better job for Left 4 Dead.

[le killer]

valve did 360 version of the orange box...which was done very well. ea did the ps3 port...which was why it sucked!

valve can do good stuff, it's a shame that ps3 only owners are gonna miss out on their work in the future.

[Nagthragarthoth]

Naughty Dog & Insomniac anyone?

[kewlkat007]

Uncharted and Resistance for the PC/360?

[Pornlord]

HL was ok, Counterstrike caused me to fail my 2002 Spring Semester of college, but they haven't put anything out that I would play for more than 5 minutes since then. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. Not that I ever had to worry about it to begin with, seeing that they won't make games for my console. Something bothers me a bit though, being somewhat of a business man myself. If I, let's say for the sake of argument that I sold T'Shirts, wouldn't I be cutting my sales by not selling to Men and Women??? I know there is a different style to each make, but wouldn't the end result be bigger exposure and more respect to my clothing line??? Isn't it cutting their exposure and overall respect by stating that they are limited?? Screw the flame war, it doesn't matter if they had said "We're not 360 Developers". Isn't admitting that you are limited and not willing to expand and get better and more efficient at what you do admitting that you are gonna put out inferior product??? Maybe not inferior, but at least not cutting edge and innovative... Not looking to the future perhaps?? I dont' know, sorry for the long rant, just my perspective.

[protekjv]

they can do whatever they want, I don't care

[ForROME]

Its their company althought im a PS3 Fan who cares other than HL3, they have no reall new worth while IPs IMO. EA will make HL3 so who cares.

[lodossrage]

Gabe Newbell already said in these exact words "the ps3 is sh!t".

So I don't see why they want to act as if they're so humble about it now?

Personally, I could care less if they make a ps3 game or not. I can just as easily play it on pc if I want to play one of their games.

[Marceles]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

http://www.computerandvideo...

It seems like just the thought of him developing a game for a console makes him sick to his stomach, he just really likes the PC better

[malingenie]

Orange Box, I am absolutely convinced, didn't sell well because a) it was said to be a gimped version of the 360's game and b)Gabe's comments. You can see through the forums that this seems to be the case. Gamers are more informed now a days, comments like these will affect game sales detrimentally.

[JokesOnYou]

Valve: "We're not PS3 developers"

So let me guess now Valve are sh!t dev's anyway, or

Sony loyalists don't care, suddenly(today) they were just thinking about how dissapointed they were with HL2 and Portal.

Sort of reminds me of the Ninja Theory post about their next game being multiplatform, suddenly sony loyalist didn't mind because HS wasn't so special as they had claimed it to be; you know like back when Ninja Theory devs were hyping 10gigs of sound, and cinematics that couldn't be done on 360, yeah then I seem to remember sony loyalists were proud to have them dev'ing exclusively for ps3. ha ha has anyone accused you guys of being so damm fickel, its very common among the sonyfaithful on this site, they change their mind like the wind changes direction....as long as its blowing in favor of the ps logo.

JOY

[DJ]

Even more so than usual. If Valve doesn't want to develop for PS3, that's fine. There's plenty of developers who prefer PC only, 360 only, PS3 only, or Wii only. But Valve really does lack a lot of initiative to upgrade their existing technology and actually challenge themselves from a programming standpoint.

Their game design is fairly good, but a bit overrated. They had a great chance to win over new customers from the console arena, but continue to put out shoddy products on the consoles. I already sold Orange Box because of how poorly it was put together. Love Portal 'en all, but come on. This is 2008. Is it too hard to ask for an automatic checkpoint system? No load screens every 50 feet? Accurate physics?

[JokesOnYou]

This is the same DJ who consistently hyped Lair all the way up until release and even after the negative reviews hit you attacked game sites as being haters, yet the truth was that Lair was not the grand exclusive sony/devs hyped it to be. ha ha you even called it:
"This game is the reason I'm picking up a PS3 next month." -DJ

ha ha but on a recent thread where you were attempting yet again to hate on Gears2, like your futile efforts with the original Gears you resort to acting as if you and your fellow sony loyalists never cared for Lair, you nonchalantly blast the game as if it was never on the radar. ha ha so Lair went from being the reason you picked up a ps3 to this:

"Dude, Lair looked like crap WAY before it was released. AAA? yeah right." -DJ
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Like I said DJ, your comment is a compliment, your definition of delusional must mean that I don't change my mind(lie) as often as the wind blows. damm, I don't even think sonykids even believe the crap they type themselves, maybe they just copy what the guy above them says...oh wait here comes another mild breeze....yep, DJ changed his mind again, Lair has new controls NOW its a masterpiece.

There are 3rd party devs who focus on ps3, 360 fans don't hate on them, unless they make neg statements about 360, here Valve is simply saying they want to focus on pc and 360 and this makes them subpar dev in sonyfaithful eyes, NO Valve is a great dev and they created award winning games, you and the sony loyalists should just take them at their word instead of trying to tarnish their reputation.

JOY

[Z501]

TRANSLATION:
We dont't like money, so instead of working harder like my fellow devs, (SEE:IW) we chalk it up to stupidity on our part then point the finger.

[makingdamage]

Just too bad Rockstar doesnt think the same way, then we might have had a really great GTAIV....

[Xiru]

Every game would be better if it were PS3 exclusive. Not just because it would be on PS3 only, but because you can get so much more out of the PS3.

[solar]

Half Life : 50 GOTY awards
Half Life 2: 34 GOTY awards
OB and Portal numberous awards
Counter Strike: birthplace of online tactical shooters

yeah...sucky ass Valve. you and all your horrible games ::rolleyes::

[kewlkat007]

welcome to this generation of whiners...

"Fairweather fanboys"...Only love a dev if they make a game on their only console of choice. Or discredit, great devs work when they feel shafted.

[Xiru]

I am confused by their logic. PS3 is beating 360 in every single market from this point on. You would get so much more out of developing for just the PS3. Its also easier to port from PS3 to 360 if need be. The only way this makes sense is by the current console numbers. The 360 still has a 7 million unit lead on the PS3. It would make sense as of right now to focus on just 360. But in a year, things will be different. I hope Valve is planning for this, or they might go bankrupt.

[SlippyMadFrog]

I don't think a software company that is focusing on PC + Xbox360 is going to go bankrupt any time soon, especially a company that makes the Half-Life series.

[pwnsause]

they wont go bankrupt, as SlippyMadFrog said, they are the ones responsible for the development of the Half-Life Series. they would just lose respect from the 12-13 million people that brought a PS3.

[Gaara_724]

i wanted this game it looks ace!!! but now its not on ps3 fk i hope the pc requirements aint to high likes i want this game

[ascendantofrain]

This argument is not about which developers are exclusive to which system.....Valve is NOT exclusive to any system yet they refuse to develop on the PS3...why? Because Lombardi "doesn't like he PS3"...why? Because they want to take the easy way out and develop for a system they know how to develop for, they obviously dont care about learning new tech.

You look at the shoddy Orange Box port they did along with the delay....this shows you they don't care enough to put their best coders on the PS3 or even try for that matter.

[ShAkKa]

Like he is saying something new.
Valve has been crying over this since the ps3 came out back in `06
maybe they just want MS to buy their company.

[TrevorPhillips]

valve sucks anyways i own both sytems i hardly buy their games so im guessing thier just not bothered making games on ps3 or their not smart or good enough to make it on ps3 lol and 360 fans stop making fun of ps3 and this game sucks anyways i wont buy zombie games unless its made by capcom RE5 FTW and SLIM DADDY nice comment :)

[jones smokey]

y all the fuss about this, i mean ps3 has so many other big games coming out this year and next year, do u think this one 3rd party game that might not come to the ps3 will affect it, lol....this is so funny, u fan bois make me laugh ... hahahahahahaha

[sak500]

Instead of complaining to sony for lack of dev support for ps3 platforms you guys openly criticize any dev who cannot make a proper port for ps3 or doesnt seem to be bothered about developing on ps3. The prob doesnt lie with the devs, its with hard to program for architecture of ps3. You'd think if it was as easy as making games for 360, you wouldn't be seeing ACE6, Bio etc on ps3. Or more dev making games for ps3? Try to fix the cause not blame the effects.

[TrevorPhillips]

anyone here getting RE5 on ps3 or big fan of RE games fill free to add me on PSN a2raya87 or just post ur gamertag and im gettin haze aswell

[Garrison]

I don't care if they develop for any system really. Having played Hl2 and some valve games I think these guys are way overrated and HL2 ain't that great of a game. That said I don't care if these guys can't cut it on the ps3 or can't make a game on the DS even. They can just close shop all together for all I care.

[599 US Dollars]

Valve are gaming gods, and they speak the truth. PS3 sucks.

[CViper]

Left 4 Dead. However if you have an old computer that ran Half Life 2 5 years ago, you are perfectly fine to run Orange Box, and you will be perfectly fine running another source engine.

Enjoy the source engine boys.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

It's only one game!It's not even a killer app! They just don't want to work on the ps3 for whatever reason. This game can be easily done on the ps3 as well as the 360 so I don't see why they don't do it except for the hard coding on the ps3 but with that, it would make them more money and everybody wins as with cod4 and gta4! This game is no reason for ps3 fans to get their underwear all tied up in a bunch!

[hokageof2009]

ps3 doesnt need this weak game in its line up to make sells xbox does bc they were the first to eat this game right up to make it official and ps3 is jus sittin back and waitting for its master plan to unfold so everyone b prepared for the world to b a ps3 nation

[hokageof2009]

almost forgot does xbox have a home system coming out? i dont think so

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Valve Who?
This is a american Company that still has the red, white & blue pumping patriotism in their blood.

Basically, Valve is a Gamist Racist. They dont want foreign Gamers or countries to prosper off of their pc games. Just like America Valve is Greedy & they dont want to spend the money to make a blu-ray game.

Let them stick to PC & Xbox 360 DVD, whatever! Their games last as long as 1 night anyways.

I played half life 2 only once. While I was playing all I can think of was " Yeah Right!" & " This dude is a Tool" Graphics? What graphics!?!

They just want to be EXCLUSIVE now in hopes that microsoft will fund them like they did bunjie which is dead now. Sony aint picking them up & I know why. Valve thinks they are the greatest developers in the industry. But they are not look at the orange box, 5 games - each game takes about 1 hour to realize that they all suck. While playing these stupid nerdy games I Wished I was Playing DUke NuKem Instead! The graphics are better in a Duke Nukem Game & the story is way more interesting.

I lose respect for the developers who cant admit their shortcomings & have to Be GAMIST RACIST. Fukd Dem! Valve is A Exclusive pan handler of a company who used to be good way back in the early 1990's. Get Lost!

[sleepbox]

And the Japanese aren't EVER racist for not buying Western games are they? It's ok though, ignorant hipster libtards like you only make yourself look stupid.

[TABSF]

clearly people don't have a clue the cell broadband engine has beaten intel xeon dual quad core in a benchmark test and can render 5 time quick then a 8800 ultra on top of that ibm are releasing a 32nm version of the cell in the fall that is 35% better than the 45nm version.

Also the ps3 gpu is better that the the 360 plus has direct rendering for the cell. Also the ps3 has 256MB xdr memory which does not sound a lot but is quicker than gddr3 which the ps3 also has 256MB. GDDR4 was not much of an improvement and only GDDR5 is the competitor.

plus is pc was that good why can't the emulate the 360 or ps3 because they are not powerful enought.

going to the main point valve are n00b and don't understand how to use the ps3 advanced technology thats the reason it on the 360 and pc because they are bs.

rockstar north a billion time better than valve (from little old scotland)can make better games GTA IV (fastest selling game ever) that will not see a pc at the moment.

rockstar said them selfs that the 360 may not get the next gta (5) because the system is not powerful and does not have enough storage weak e.g. hideo kojima could not get mgs4 on a 25GB disc and also had so compress audeo.

real developers smacking games out all the time that are far better.

[sleepbox]

We've seen theoretical numbers for PS3 and cell already...we've heard "120 FPS at 1080P" for every game...now, I'm simply waiting for the brains of mere mortal men to catch up with the gods at Sony.

Once they catch up and can provide what they promise, I will pick up a PS3...it's really no more complicated than that.

[littletad]

They rarely make anything good these days anyhow, except rehash releases of Half Life and well... u get the picture. Portal was nice though.

[KBDuB]

You know someone is desperate when they post as much BS as Ace Ventura did.. Why does everyone have to resent to console sales to prove a "point?" In my opinion, it just makes you look like a moron.

Yes, the PS3 is outselling the 360, okay, now what? What did you get out of telling everybody that? Are we supposed to fell happy for you? I don't get it....

[AliC]

Valve are just lazy, I mean if they can program for multi-cored CPU's on the PC then really they shouldn't have a whole lot of trouble developing for the PS3

There choice I suppose, I've only ever bough valve games on my PC so this isn't a biggy for me.

[jackdoe]

Of course Valve aren't PS3 developers. Hell, they're barely 360 developers (look at TF2 for the type of time and treatment they give to the 360). They are first and foremost PC developers.

[Trick Nolte]

to NOT develope for the PS3. I am NOT a PC gamer so I gives a fukc less about a PC game. I mean really, how would a Valve product stand out amongst OoOOooOoh I dunno, Uncharted, MGS4!, Resistance2, KZ2, Resident Evil 5, Motorstorm2, FF13, WipeOut HD? Not well, not well at all. Theres really no need to cry and complain over Valve not deving for the PSTripple. We have our IP's, they are built from the ground up. They are not rehashed PC ports. And Sony isnt brainwashing us into becoming PC gamers without us even realizing it. For this I AM THANKFUL. LET US REJOICE.

PS3=Console at it finest.
360=PC Jr. at its 2nd best.

[mrguru]

please don't take my money. ill appropriate it to the 99.9 % of companies that want it.

[Citizen Cook]

The PC is M$ other system! They have both. Only one doesn't red-ring, and they don't have to pay for them to be made...

One way or the other, M$ has your balls in their hand and they are SQUEEZING HARD!

btw, NOOBS, Valve are one of the greatest developers working in the industry today. They are critically acclaimed d!ckheads!

HA HA HA HA!

[Jdoki]

Valve have always been PC developers, so it totally makes sense that they are playing to their strengths.

I respect Valve, but they've been trading off the success of Half Life for a long time now. HL2 was OK, but 6 years and 40million good? Nah. The episodic content has been really weak in my opinion as well.

Portal was excellent, but that's not really a Valve game as such. The original idea was from a bunch of students who Valve snapped up after they graduated.

My issue isn't with Valve not wanting to stretch themselves by developing for PS3, it's the rubbish Gabe has been spouting about the industry not needing the PS3 and that it sucks. That shows a certain amount of ignorance.

[power of Green]

These are PC developers and the 360 is lucky its simular.

[shysun]

Nothing new, I'll just buy it on PC. The game looks fun. Valve has always stated they hate the PS3, more power to them.

[Funky Town_TX]

If I liked their games. The last valve game I played was HL ages ago on PC.

[Obama]

Develop for the ps3, save an African child.
Develop for the 360, burn down a house.

[zonetrooper5]

The Source engine and Valve games are still pretty damn good, of course Valve won't make a new engine until Half Life 3 comes out whenever that will be. Pretty much all of their games have been awesome, they look great or did look great, they play so well and I find them fun.

[Says you]

I mean come on the XBox 360 is cheaper then the PS3 infact it was already cheaper if you got my meaning because its made from mexico its not like Valve is like insomniac or any other developers that can program the PS3 atleast other developers are programming it and they well they just suck and have to make an excuse so they don't have to work hard and get the benefits coming from it I mean for crying out loud the XBox 360 is practically more pc then a system so they would rather take the easy way out after all PS3 is more advance then the XBox 360 considering the japanese always makes things advance thats why I always buy there product and if you guys that support the corporation like Microsoft and think there so rich then why did they make such a cheap ass system? so I guess there not that rich after all?

and for such a cheap system it gets outsold by the expensive one thats a joke! really infact I'm asian I will always support the more advance technology.

[BattleAxe]

Who cares about a zombie shooter anyways.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

Gabe "Twinkee Master" Newell needs to realize that Valve, up to this point, is more or less a one-trick pony. Him and his devs never so much as even gave the PS3 a chance, or even attempted to work on it, he was just being a fat, slovenly fanboy throwing words around.

I mean, I try to be as neutral as possible, but there's just something about Newell that has always pissed me off. I think I never laughed as hard as I did a few years back when I heard that a near-complete code of HL2 got stolen from halfway around the globe. I was hoping it would be their death-sentence.

I played through HL1 and HL2, and great games they were, but by far the ABSOLUTE WORST multiplayer experiences I ever had in my life were on counter-strike. I swear the a$$holes on that game made XBL nuisances look like saints.

Long story short, Valve will never again get my money.

[PS360PCROCKS]

It's simple. Like he said "were only 150 people" they concentrate on computer, the 360 is the closest thing to a computer that the console world has ever seen. Porting their games is relatively simple, the PS3 is too complex and too different, it would take way too much time for them to do that. They want to rather concentrate on the games quality, other than every console under the sun. Bash them if you want, I know it sucks for PS3 owners, but atleast their truthful about their intentions, for the sake of quality.

[jackdoe]

Lol. "Sake of quality" has me cracking up. *Cough* I know Valve didn't develop it, but they still had control over it, Orange Box PS3 *cough*.

[ELite_Ghost]

because you're fwcking retards!

[HelghastGeneral]

The playstation 3 is designed for only true next generation games and the orange box is a sorry looking game the models don't look that great and it moves like last generation. I am not interested in fake multiplatform last generation games anyway only ps3 exclusives. I am so disappointed the ghostbusters game something that took a lot of effort isn't going to be as good as it should because of xbox1.5.

[PoSTedUP]

i own all playstations...why?.... the exclusives baby! whats a system without socom? cmon now... if i was a moron i would be playing halo all day.

[zypher]

anyway, i guess Valve are entitled to their own opinion, even if i, as a gamer, think its a flawed one. as a PS360 owner (and co-owner of a Wii), the only way Valve can negatively effect me is if they decided to make Portal 2 exclusively on the 3DO or something. however, i question Valve's lack of motivation to exploit PS3's untapped potential (potential games like GT5, Heavy Rain, 8Days, Killzone 2, LBP etc. have proven does exist), because it means that as a gamer, i'm not experiencing true potential. but still, Valve seems to primarily make fps, and given my control preference for certain games, i get most fps' on my 360 anyway. as it stands about the only game of theirs that i had overwhelming love for was Portal.

[Orange Juice]

You have the best of all three worlds (xbox ps3 pc) with those two platforms, what more do you need for the next few years? On topic, Valve is a one trick pony, they just admitted that themselves. That says alot about their talent, skill, and character.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Sorry it hurts so much for you that your not getting Left 4 Dead, Portal, Half Life, Team Fortress, Counter Strike (thats 5 tricks right there) or anything else from Valve.

What? speak up, I can't hear you :)

[LinuxGuru]

Jason, you really, really, really need to take your "we have it and you don't so how do you like that" crap into the Open Zone.

Do you know how and when to stop being a lifeless, know-nothing fanboy?

[highps3]

Ill play ur games on my computer... For Free.

[sleepbox]

All I can say is that L4D is supposed to be basically online only...Valve needs to get some training from id when it comes to console net code. CS on the original Xbox wasn't bad but was very far from good and TF2 on 360 was absolute garbage. Quake 3 Arena for DREAMCAST using a DIAL UP MODEM ran better than TF2 on 360 using broadband.

[PoSTedUP]

first, we dont need this game, our line up is just too sick, second, if its a hit its probly comming to ps3 or the sequel. hes putting it on the bigger plat forms to see if it sells, obviously more ppl own a 360 and pc, why would he put it on all systems and loose alot of money if it dosent sell? hes being smart about it.like i said we dont need this game. we already have a good VARIETY, all xbox has is FPS SHOOTERS, well hers ANOTHER ONE for you. BANG!

[illizit]

It's obvious that they are not PS3 developers. They can hardly program for the PC let alone anything else. The FUTURE is parallel programming. Processors are not getting faster, they are getting more cores. Learning to program for the PS3 will ultimately prepare you for the future of computing (if it continues this way). The ps3 architecture is very advanced. Yes its difficult, yes lazy devs do NOT want to program for it. However, if done CORRECTLY it is more advanced than the 360, Grand Turismo? Uncharted? And that is just the begining.
Play Beyond.

[LinuxGuru]

Perfectly said.

+ bubble for knowing what you're talking about

[SlippyMadFrog]

The Xbox360 has 3 parallel cores, just letting you know

[TunakTunakTun]

Guess I wont be playing overhyped-life episode 12 then...

[PoSTedUP]

i would buy a game cube b4 i buy the 360 or the wii

[Angelitos]

They are biased

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Valve is a powerhouse developer that have made nothing but award winning games, and have created some of the best gaming engines ever made. Every game they have made has earned AAA status and GOTY, thats who Valve is.

If Valve prefere's to develope for the PC and 360 platform, it's a super bonus for us, and a great exclusive developer that will continue to make more AAA GOTY games. They like to work with a superior system, with superior tools.

The PS3 is like that muscle bound freak you see at the gym, yeah he can bench 400lbs but he can't count to three without passing out or "freezing".

[ThaGeNeCySt]

You mean like Brucie from GTA IV? lol

[LinuxGuru]

Wrong zone dipsh*t ------>

Oh, and just to let you know, your entire statement is bullsh!t.

[pwnsause]

yea too bad when the next generation of PCs come by, they are going to be confused on what to do when they build their next engine. The PS3 gives them an Idea on what to do with PC in the Future when they have more than 8 cores on board.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Thats one I was thinking of when I typed that.

[zerolinkgannon]

PS3 fanboys blast nintendo for not making games for their system. xDD

[Jamegohanssj5]

I don't buy crappy games anyway.

The Genius has spoken.

[Awesomeo3000]

good i wouldnt have bought it anyway after i learned my lesson with the orange box that was such a horrible port. im glad they have the balls to admit that they suck at developing games for the ps3 cause its too hard for the big baby that is gabe newell anyway left for dead has terrible graphics and looks like s*$%

[pimpstation]

By the time Valve's next game (after left4dead) is finished, we'll be playing PS5 and Xbox4905349920x10^67 anyway, so this is irrelevant.

Also, Gabe Newell is the fattest man in the world.

[Expy]

Lack of talent in the programming department.

[fm81]

who da heck is valve,they ar not dat popular outside of north america, if they ar not on same level as squarenix n konami n othas..who cares..

[J@D]

*yawn*

same old story... typical.

*yyyyaaaawwnnnnnnnnnnn*

Now, to the next story... >_>

[NineInchNipples]

developers are already making games that fill a blu-ray so games like mgs4 will never be on xbox-please-fix-me unless its on like 5 discs so eat c0ck

[Forbidden_Darkness]

seriously who cares about valve, halflife, portal and team fortress are so boring after playing them for an hour. the ps3 has alot better games exclusive anyways. theres no need for their games.

we have alot of awesome exclusives coming out this year like Haze, Metal Gear Solid 4, Siren, Motostorm 2, SOCOM, Resistance 2, White Knight, LittleBigPlanet, 8 days, Valkyria Chronicles, InFamous, Killzone 2, Tekken 6 and we have more awesome exclusives like Gran Turismo 5, WarDevil, The Agency, God of War 3, Final Fantasy (13,vs. 13), The Getaway 3, DC Universe, Heavy Rain, LA Noire, SOCOM and more.

Some of the 2008 games might be delayed, but even so our exclusives are better than what the xbox or wii has. the xbox has like Ninja Gaiden 2, Too human, Halo Wars, Gears of war 2, and ect. but seriously, those games arent system sellers, games like MGS4, GT5, FF13, FF vs 13 and ect are.

[sleepbox]

sorry dude, but Gears 2 and ANY game with the name HALO in the title is a system seller.

[pwnsause]

wait so you are saying that Gears 2 can sell more than Final Fantasy? lmao.

[sleepbox]

actually, I don't think I said that LMAO

[TABSF]

to true there is barly any difference between half-life 2 games besides the release date

[TwissT]

Well, if the people working on Left 4 dead have only 150 people, why not develop it on the ps3 than just port it to the 360? We all know that 360 to PS3 ports are bad, but PS3 to 360 turns out equal, so why not?

[Bad_Karma]

Who really gives a $hit ?
Never really rated Valve that much anyway.(personally)
If you think i`m saying this coz i own a PS3?! think again .. i also own a 360 and PC so its not like i cant play Valve games should i want to piss 40 quid away.

OH..and if Gabe Newell picked up a PS3 programming manual as much as he picks up the twinkies then Valve would be the KINGS of the PS3 by now.

[LinuxGuru]

LOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHA

Twinkies, LoL....

I couldn't agree more.

[xg-ei8ht]

LMAO.

That's gotta be one big twinkie.

[The Gaming priest]

Resistance 2 and Haze both look like they could be great. loved timesplitters so have high expectations from free radical.

Although saying that Valve are one of the few developers that have consistantly provided games of a AAA status so i guess this will be a great game.

YOU CAN'T WIN THEM ALL but im going to wait to see how the games ive mentioned/left for dead turn out before i complain or praise anyone.

[TheOutsider]

VALVE: LAZY, JUST F**KEN LAZY!! ENOUGH SAID!! We don't need developers like that sh**t anyways. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

[LinuxGuru]

That really pisses me off.

Valve is showing a complete lack of interest for a HUGE chunk of the gaming industry, and they'll regret it.

Gabe Newell can go jump off a bridge.

[heroman711]

ok, i dont give a sh!t when i have games coming out that sound amazing. i do envy half life tho, one of the best 1st person shooters i evr played

[Varsarus]

Valve are supporting the 360 because it has no anticipated exclusives coming this year except Gears 2.

[wind_dragon]

"we aren't PS3 developers."

Lazy ass bums...that means you haven't even TRIED?! WTF?
I don't care...f^ck u 2 then. I remember the last time the lead said somethin bad about this system, p^ssy ass fanboy if I ever saw one.

[dragon376]

Sorry, but 360 developpment is so much easier... when I hear "We're not PS3 developers" that either mean "We can't develop with extra help from the platform" or "We are so lazy, we don't want to do some real work developping...
That is just sad to hear... Good thing there are some real programmer out there doing the real job for them.

[zodiac909]

thats fine Valve can suck my balls for all i care

[Avto]

Valve was never any good in tech I mean think about it only time Valve game was technological advancement was HL2 end of story if you can't do it just say so we all know you are bad at writing code, I remember when the said developing for Cell gave no future benefits, and how does developing for 8 year old Mac the heart of X360 give any future benefits, so far the best dev in this gen are Insomniac Games.

[Voiceofreason]

funny how an 8 year old Processor(complete BS BTW) is putting out better games and outperforming a 3 year old super computer(again complete BS). It is sad how bad you kids make your own console look when you make up reasons to trash the 360 and yet it outperforms your PS3 on every level. Most multi platform reviews have shown that. So if the 360 is complete junk what exactly is the PS3 when it is obviously inferior.

[gnothe1]

its amazing how you guys wanna crack on any dev that doesnt prefer the PS3. you guys shouldnt blame the devs you should blame sony for making a system thats so different from anything else!! its already been stated that what you learn from dev'ing on the PS3 can ONLY be used on the PS3. so why would they put the time, money, an effort into to learning something thats only gonna be around for a few more years!! by Valve being PC developers an the 360 basically runs identical to the PC they feel right at home creating new things as they go along they they can use for a long time because of its PC nature. 1 things for sure, you guys can bet that sony WONT have some wacky system set up next gen because the way the PS3 is setup with the cost of making next gen games for developers is costing them. the 360 gets more demos, more betas, an most of the times better running games because of the way the system is set up!!

[Avto]

yeah cuz the next PS will have on processing unit both for graphics and gameplay stuff and X360 CPU is taken from old Mac so why would any one invest in it

[Snukadaman]

It takes longer to develop for the ps3...hence it takes more money..and with recent sales of the orange box..you actually think people are clamoring to develop for the ps3...you make a game for the pc..and you can easily port it over to the xbox..simple...im surprised more developers aint following valve but droids take it personally..look at rockstar now...with the recent problems on gta4 with the ps3...people who own both consoles are trading it in for the xbox version...its not a big margin right now...but as we have seen with cod4...games sell way longer on the xbox.

[Iron Man 2]

Valve are not PLAYSTATION®3 developers because Valve are too stupid to develope games for PLAYSTATION®3!;)

$hane

[Snukadaman]

bet they are not to stupid to spell develop.

[PSWe60]

I thought the "Left 4 Dead" series was developed by SEGA, or am I thinking of "House of the Dead"?

[Voiceofreason]

It house of the dead that Sega does.

[cmrbe]

I am not trying to diss Valve but to be blunt honest i really don't care that they are not focusing on the PS3. What excellent PS games have they developed?. Umm i can't think of any so why should PS fans care?. Its not like we lost anything. Valve from what i know are only good at making shooters. The PS now has too many shooters.

[ElementX]

They haven't done any AWESOME PS games because they're PC/xbox/360 developers.

[Infernus]

If Valve don't want to code for the PS3 as well as PC and 360 then fine, it's their loss. The PS3 numbers are already picking up and although I personally buy Valve stuff over Steam (The way it should be) I can see Valve losing out over the next few years if they refuse to budge.

[Xlll]

All valve games like just like HL2. Nothing ever changes. TF2 sucked. Gabe is fat and lazy. They can play with that outdated source code while other developers crush it with better engines. I rather be playing games that are next gen then playing the same sh!t they been putting out for the past 10 years.

[TruthbeTold]

People here make me hate this place...

At least twice a week when I log on here I wish I hadn't because of all of the hate, bias, and downright pathetic frames of mind that populate N4G.

Do so many of us have to promote a negative and unwelcoming atmosphere here? We can have discussions on games and recent gaming news without tearing each other down and making asses of ourselves you know...

[Voiceofreason]

I had such a laugh reading some of these posts. One guy is so clueless he says PS3 has the most exclusive companies.. Thats complete BS because PS3 has the least exclusives of any system. Then another PS3 fanby cries" I just wont buy any Valve games" Well of course you wont because they dont make them for you nor do they care. I also love that they are to lazy to learn PS3 when the truth is there is no reason to learn to code for PS3.. Software sales are extremely low, it takes way more effort on PS3 to achieve what can be done much easier on 360(every multi plat game proves that even GTA4. So a bunch of crying fanboys miss out on their games.. its not like they care. Plenty of PS3 owners will still buy Valve games, they'll just buy them on the other consoles they own instead of crying about it because they can only afford to buy one system.. Thats a poor choice on your part. Could have had a 360/Wii combo for te price of 1 PS3, and have so many games coming you dont have to worry about just 1 company..For a system thats supposed to have all these great games coming, you girls sure do cry a lot whenever any dev skips the PS3. We all know this isnt the first company and it wont be the last. Congratulations guys, you bought a next gen Gamecube.Just remember the GC fanboy excuse "Quality over Quantity".. True its a lame excuse but even a poor excuse beats none at all

[wind_dragon]

i don't think u realized how much s#it just came out of your mouth.

[Relientk77]

Valve, you're not PS3 developers because you FAIL

[ElementX]

It's funny about the PS3 owners saying "I'll just play their games on PC" Well, for one, I'd rather sit on the couch, watching a 34" widescreen with a rumble controller in my hand, rather than using mouse/keyboard controls on a 24" screen. (Don't give me the "well I can output my PC to my TV" excuse because it looks like crap) I used to be a strict PC gamer and I've switched over to consoles. I have a gaming PC I built last year and it's already getting dated. It's funny that people will upgrade their PCs to play a few 360/PC games every couple of years instead of just buying a 360.

[xg-ei8ht]

So true.

My second system was on a single core with a 1900xtx. Tried to run Sega revo rally and Dirt. Chugged along poorly. 15-20fps. choopy as hell. Installed another dual core. Boom, smooth as butter now.

But i agree, and the only argument a pc gamer has is,(even though i am one)but we got better rez and higher textures, well yes that's because your have to pay$$$ for a decent graphic card and then pay $$ for more ram. It's the same old story. I get sick of hearing it.

But i'll say this.

Gears of war - only used one core. only needed one. Pc version is smooth on single core.

Sega rally revo,dirt as said above smooth on dual core.

GTAIV i reckon uses 3 cores of the 360.

But i don't think the same can be said of the ps3 version, 1 core, 6 spu's. Don't really think they used the spu's enough.

Both consoles still have quite abit of life in them.

[Bazookajoe_83]

But if u have a pc and a ps3 you can play most of the games that comes out. But i agree with you, i rather sit in my couch playing on my 40 inch lcd and avanti soundsystem. Thats why i use my pc to play old school games like master of magic, xcom and master of orion 2. And ps3 and 360 for all new games..

[Percy]

This makes me sad. valve is truely a great company. I don't know why they choose not to develop for the ps3 but it surely is a loss to all us ps3 owners. Maybe someday their position will change but until then i will play many of the great games that are made by companies who want my money and work for it.

[Sjoeter]

Valve's right, and look at what's happened with TF2 for the ps3 that's done by EA. well done by EA, its screwed up by EA ^^

[Bazookajoe_83]

But i do think it´s wierd that they dont hire ps3 developers, it´s a multiplatform world if we want it or not..

[WildArmed]

I understand if they said that they find it difficult to develop on the ps3 for whatever the reason. But not even wanting to try has no excuse. They have to get thier act 2gether.

The fact that they are still limiting themselves to 360 n PC shows that they havent developed much since 05/06. They should be like R* / Take two and love both consoles, and do thier magic that everyone loves.

[zonetrooper5]

They are an independent company remember and they are about small to medium size in terms of employees. GTA IV took nearly 150 devs just to make it on both the 360 and PC, for Valve that would be stretching them alot and the money involved would be alot. They are a bussiness, they want to make money instead of losing money, remember that.

[immarriedtoafatchick]

they shouldn't be called developers fair enough? never liked their games anyways only thing is counter strike and that died when COD4 came out

[Scions Wrath]

Bad move Valve... 'Time' will prove this.

Thanks for porting Half Life 2 to PS3 though! ;)

[Tyetan]

Is it that Valve is not a PS3 developer, or are they just to incompetent to develop for the PS3.

[WildArmed]

lol I bet they are making alot of $$ out of the PC version *cough*pirates*cougH*