'Ghostbusters' Developer Prefers Working On PS3 First

MTV Multiplayer writes: "We've seen many developers struggle with multi-platform development this generation. Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are different technical beasts. Complications with the wildly popular Unreal Engine 3 middleware have made things even more difficult.

Terminal Reality, the studio behind the upcoming "Ghostbusters," spent a lot of time evaluating each console before moving forward with their first next-generation game, Terminal Reality president Mark Randell told MTV Multiplayer at a Sierra media event last month.

In the end, contrary to most teams this generation, they decided to make PlayStation 3 their lead development platform for "Ghostbusters." Here's why."

[Xi]

being held back by the ps3... sigh.

[games4fun]

and i bet you think the gamer zone holds back your open zone comments too.

[juuken]

You 360fanbabies love talking out of your asses do you? How is the PS3 holding back the 360?

Explain that to me please...or are you too ignorant to explain it?

[Denges]

jesus christ an 8 bubbled moron

how many double accounts did that take

[Sir Ken Kutaragi]

F-IN! HILARIOUS!!! ;-D
Who said xBot Lemmings had no sense of humour!!! ;-D

'PLAY-BEYOND...xBox 360's LIMITS!!!' ;-D

[Varsarus]

Multiplatform games pushes the 360 to the max, remember what they said about GTA IV?

"We believe that Microsoft’s Xbox 360 will be the console that will enable the game to really show its full potential"

PS3's power is roughly 30% at this time.

HAHAHAHAHA.

@below

there's no communcation system with the 3 cores on the 360, Xenon is a poor CPU.

[Xi]

good job at not being able to take a joke playslaves.

and to varsarus, gears of war only used 90% of a single core on the xbox... which is roughly 30%.

both consoles are the same, and it's just shocking to see howmany fanboys on this site are so un-educated.

[Homicide]

Proof right here:

http://www.n4g.com/News-140...

[PSMonster21]

How the FÚCK DO YOU HAVE EIGHT BUBBLES WITH POSTS LIKE THAT. You a hacker son. I say we unite and take this fool down.

[juuken]

If anything Xi, the 360 held back the PS3 from its true potential. It's a pity that games are multi-platform but some of them look like crap on the PS3. Gee...I wonder why? Maybe it's because of the fact that the 360 held it back from looking good?

Don't talk bullcrap, please.

[games4fun]

as long as they make a good game i really dont care, i have never played a good ghostbusters game so here's to hoping its good

[darthv72]

It has been said before that when doing development on the 360 first then working on PS3, it turns out subpar. If dev starts on PS3 first then by the time a 360 version is made it is on par with each other.

So to benefit multiplatform development, PS3 should be lead as it will only serve to make the game equal on both platforms.

To add to this, it has to do with the way the 360 has the memory available to it. PS3 has seperate memory for video and system ram. If a game is made using the unified structure of the 360 (first) it then needs to be recompiled to work in a split memory system of the PS3. That isnt an issue for either platform if the game is made with the PS3 memory system in mind from the beginning.

I think I remember reading devs saying it is easier for the 360 to emulate the memory system of the PS3 than it is the other way around. Someone please elaborate on this for me.

[ruibing]

I think it has more to do with how the Cell architecture punishes poor coding more severely than traditional multi-threaded processors. A game lead on the PS3 simply made it more efficient and well-written by default.

Here's a paper that does a very good job of introducing the pros and cons of the cell from a scientific (non-gaming) point of view, but I think it does a good job of highlighting what's so innovative about it:

http://www.simbiosys.ca/sci...

[heihoosilver]

if the games are made first in mind with ps3 split memory, them x360 game has split memory too? If a game is made in mind with the unified memory of x360, the x360 wouldn't have better performance? That way xbox360 isn´t struggle?

[GameDev]

but you have no idea what you are talking about, all 512mb of memory are available to eithe the cell or RSX on the PS3. Stop reading MS propaganda and taking it as gospel, it makes you look silly when you run into people that know how this stuff works.

btw I finally threw the 360 version of GTA on 1080p flatscreen and let me tell you, you don't need 400% magnification to see the terrible dithering and pixel shading of the ATI GPU. To think I used to be a big ATI fan, how far they have fallen. This is definitely Nvidias market now.

[Porky Pig]

they include some Sixaxis lovin,it would be sweet to capture a ghost through tilt controls

Agree if you like Cake,disagree if you're a Pie man

And th-th-th-that's all folks!

[devilhunterx]

you mean like Folk Soul?

[bootsielon]

"1 - another Xbox game
being held back by the ps3... sigh. "

Anyway, being held back as in not being able to use the HDD for the game, not being able to use all of the SPEs, or as in not being able to use Blu-ray's full capacity? Oh wait, it's another dipsh1t trolling PS3 news... sigh.

[Legion]

So it's easier to duplicate the application made for the PS3 versus duplicating the process of the XBox 360? And yet the PS3 is the better system? (so they say) I have YET to see anything that the XBox 360 can't handle on it's system better.

[themyk]

uncharted, GT, METAL GEAR, killzone2, resistance 2. to name a few.
owned

[uie4rhig]

erm not really owned, what he asked was a game that is not possible on the 360, and every game is possible on every system.. even MGS4, who uses around 50GB according to kojima, is possible even on the Wii.. the only thing is, it would have to be stripped down a lot for it to be possible.. and MGS4, uncharted and all are possible on the 360 if its either stripped down, or multiple discs..

so tbh there is not real argument in this question

[Corrupt]

Erm, yes. It was really an owning. He didn't say the 360 could handle them, he said handle them BETTER. So, that not stripped down, which would nullify your little "so tbh there is not real argument in this question " comment.

[GameDev]

what they mean is they can pull back on code and processor intensive features of a game and make it run on a 360. This is more about the porting process than what console does what better. Try not to flamebait so hard.

[Legion]

I can confidently say that I believe that the 360 could handle each of those games better. If the games were designed for the 360 from scratch and not just an attempt to save money and port a game over from lousy coding on the PS3.

I have STILL seen NOTHING that the 360 can't handle better then the PS3.

[gEnKiE]

(Comment from MTV page)
"And who owns the rights to the Ghostbusters film? Yes folks, thats right, Columbia Pictures…and guess who owns Columbia Pictures? Yup, thats right, Sony.
Sounds like Spin to me."

Lmao....of course. Theirs always a reason.....People never fail to be idiots.

[peksi]

And you just ignored to read the response to this from the same page? It takes a lot of fanboy faith to believe there has been an ultimatum on the Ghost Busters gaming license agreement to force the PS3 as the lead platform.

Why must you idiots (quoting you here - in case you don't see the hint) always bend everything as some sort of conspiracy against your console? The developer's words make perfect sense.

[Snukadaman]

This guy just said the movie was owned by sony...and you dont want to believe that little fact doesn't matter?

[uie4rhig]

the fact that Sony owns the rights to GhostBusters movies doesn't matter tho.. coz the movie makes are only to give a company the rights to make a game.. i mean look at Spiderman 3.. the movie is Owned directly by Sony Pictures.. but it went multi-platform.. i'd bet SCE would have loved to have that game PS3 Exclusive..

[peksi]

There is a possibility that it might affect but firstly the developers should then be lying and secondly there would most likely be some sort of exclusive elements in the agreements as well.

[gEnKiE]

Ummm...what? I was just pointing out the guys comment on the MTV page. I think its stupid that people are going to call that out to why they prefer the PS3 over the 360.

[devilhunterx]

with your logic, then the game should have been PS3 exclusive. Right?

[wow4u]

Ghostbusters is owned by Sony.

-- Signed, Reality.

[gEnKiE]

So thats why they prefer the PS3 over the 360?

[LastDance]

ive said this many times. But I dont like the idea of multiplat games. I would rather developers spending more time optimizing 1 versian.. than piss assing around with ports.

[Ri0tSquad]

"We’ve found that writing for the PS3 first and then porting to the 360 and PC is a much simpler and more efficient procedure,” he concluded."

???

The Burnout Paradise people did it that way too and it's equal on both systems. I'm sorry but maybe you like seeing the PS3 get crappy ports but I don't. I don't understand how you think Sony owning the movie rights has to do with them "writing for the PS3 first and then porting it to the 360". It's been repeatedly said that it makes both versions more equal.

[Varsarus]

um, wasn't GTA IV a 360 port to PS3?, reviewers say it runs and looks better on PS3, although sharper on the 360.

[The Lazy One]

they say there is less pop in, and the lighting is different. That is not enough at all to warrant it "running and looking better on the PS3".

That's about the same as saying a car is better than another car because one has dirt on the wheels.

[Varsarus]

Looking at these 2 screenshots, I would like you to explain them

http://74.200.65.90/showpos...

As you can see, the 360 version looks slightly washed out.

[The Lazy One]

not especially. The 360 version doesn't have as warm a tint to it, but the colors aren't "washed out".

I took the 360 version of the picture into gimp, and changed one setting. I turned down the green/magenta balance to -21, and the colors are EXACTLY the same, with one major exception. The 360 version is quite a bit more detailed than the PS3 version.

edit: I'm trying to attatch the images, but it's not working. Gimme a minute to host them.

edit2: 360: http://img210.imageshack.us...
PS3: http://img156.imageshack.us...

edit 3: since I know someone's gonna see the 360 version is brighter and say it's washed out, here's the same picture with only magenta balance upped 21, and brightness down 19.

http://img353.imageshack.us...

[Finch]

Funny part is this is getting alot of news, and we all know this game ain't going to sell all that well if hardly at all. Its just fan boy bait that means nothing! Sounds more like desperate mud sling to me!

[LastDance]

what ever..original storyline written by ramis with all the original cast doing the voice overs...!!! PHHHHHHHHHHHHT.

Ghostbusters will be sik!

[themyk]

i actually can't wait for this game. of course i'm in my mid 20's and i'm a big ghost busters fan. hmmmm i wonder if i'm the only one... naw i doubt it.

[Finch]

Sure it will have a small few like the age over 30. I wouldn't even expect many even over that age!

[djtek184]

another xbox fan asking to get owned...

[ilkercruiser]

If you work on a weaker machine first, you can port the game to other console easily. If you work on a more powerful machine, when you porting the game to other weaker console, you will have to cut down effects.

[themyk]

i love comments like that. you must have missed the story a day or two ago. when they pretty much said this game would be a lot better if it were a ps3 exclusive.

[Mc Fadge]

You got owned :0!

[The Lazy One]

any game would be a lot better if it were exclusive to any system. Every multiplatform game REGARDLESS of what systems it's put on will suffer from this.

[uie4rhig]

@ilkercruiser
its the other way around dumbnuts.. its harder to add more quality to a game if its not been added from the start.. but its easy to remove some bits and pieces in the code

[The Lazy One]

Didn't we already know it's easier to port from PS3>360 than the other way around? A lot of devs have started doing PS3 first because of that. I'm not sure when they started doing it that way, but I think it was sometime in the last year when the majority switched over.

Doing PS3 first makes a smaller disparity between the games. From the developer/consumer POV, that's 2 games that are good, or one good game and one game plagued with bugs/performance issues.

[power of Green]

How did this dup story get posted once more?.

We already know Sony has weight with this game etc. Sony's pay check plays a huge part in this guy's opinion.

We all know the PS3 will hold the 360 version back some how.

[LevDog]

Just like MS 50 mil paycheck for GTA4 had alot of pull.. Come on man if your gonna say something dumb, at least make sure MS hasnt done it as well first..

You never make any points.. You just throw words around.. You dont even make bad points thats how pointless your comments always are

So please next time you talk make some points good or bad..

Try to be some what respectable

[LinuxGuru]

Hi, I'm Power of Green's evil alter ego, and I do not approve his message.

Have a nice day.

[ilkercruiser]

Remember Virtua Fighter 5 , used to be a Ps3 exclusive RIGHT????
Why is this game looking better on Xbox360 than Ps3?

And "Devil May Cry 4" used to be a Ps3 Exclusive (remember first trailers) It looks sharper and less-aliased on Xbox360 right???

And REMEMBER THE OPPOSITE WAY
LOST PLANET (X360 exclusive TO PS3)
Worse Textures, Worse Effects, Antialiasing is WORSE
any MANY MORE AWFUL THINGS.

GOT OWNED????
I'm not thinking so...

[themyk]

no you were owned

[JVIDICAN]

virtua fighter- more dev time
devil may cry- im actually pretty sure this was better on the ps3
lost planet- lazy port that they could of done more with, but didnt
hope that helped you out =P

[monkey nuts]

The games usually look better when theres been more development time on the game, I find it funny how you forgot to mention OBLIVION, which turned out better on the ps3....because the devs had longer to work on it. I own a 360 to btw (since launchg)...(uk).I see that the fanboys are slowly starting to creep into the gamer zone, not good.

[ilkercruiser]

Yes oblivion looks very lastgen, 1024x600 and lowpoly charachers and many more. Capcom worked on Ps3 over 1 year and did a worse job than 360 version what do you say for this?
DMC4 is started on ps3 but looks better on Xbox360

[King_many_layers]

this isn't an argument about games looking "next gen" you really are just an ignorant fan boy.

You're arguments so far have consisted of saying about games being better in the way they look and or perform. Yet as soon as a multiplatform game is mentioned which does look and play better on the PS3 you change the whole argument into it only being games which look the standard now.

Oblivion is actually quite a good looking game. it's not Uncharted or Gears of War. but then again, the amount of detail for the shear scale of Oblivion was pretty damn good.

You don't belong in the gamer zone, you are a blind fan boy who is willing to say anything to make your system look better. in future keep your ignorant opinions to yourself.

[devilhunterx]

@ilkercruiser

wrong mate. capcom engine is built was built on the pc. it uses directx libraries. its the same engine used in dead rising, lost planet, and devil may cry. Infact Capcom had the least time on PS3.

PS3 uses OpenGL. That 5gb installation is also installing DIRECTX to OPENGL library files.

[360 man]

Gears 2 will look better than any ps3 game made.
if im wrong then maybe 360 doesnt have wat it takes to graphically compete with ps3.
if im right then sony fan bois STFU you paid more money on a console thats inferior

[juuken]

And your prediction would be wrong.
Next please!

[PirateThom]

If it competes graphically with Eight Days, I'll be surprised.

[LevDog]

Hate to tell you bud.. but those screen shots of GOW2 dont even look as good as uncharted.. So ya your already wrong

[Vino]

When people say that developing for console A or console B is better or not people either disagree and try to convince themselves that the developers are wrong. I know both consoles have their pros and cons, but at the end of the day if the developers make a great game on either console thats the only thing that matters to me.

Cheers

[snipermk0]

I don't see the reason behind any of this. All games and I mean ALL games have to be coded, worked and developed on the PC. Its not like they devs sit around coding with a PS3. They take a benchmark of the PS3's performance on the PC and then develop the title.

[GameDev]

ever heard of devkits genius?

[devilhunterx]

another got owned!??

[DFresh]

Why must PS3 Gamers be dumbed down to match the 360 hardware?
sigh.

[PSMonster21]

Your pathetic. Get out!

[gnothe1]

whats crazy is how you sony guys have really drank the sony coolaid!! most game last gen was built on the PS2 for 2 reasons, the PS2 had this biggest userbase an the PS2 was the weaker system. developers KNEW if they built a game on the PS2 they wouldnt have any problems porting that game over to the gamecube an xbox 1, WHY? because they were both MORE POWERFUL than the PS2. sony fooled so many developers with the HYPE about how much POWER the PS3 had that developers were using the 360 as lead because they felt there wouldnt be any problems with porting 360 games to a more powerful PS3. but guess what.. they found out the truth an MANY are starting to put the PS3 first then port to the 360 because you get better results. so how is it that the 360 can handle PS3 ports but the PS3 cant handle 360 ports but the PS3 SUPPOSIDLY is more powerful!!

last thing, somebody said its easier to TAKE AWAY when building a game than it is to ADD. is that so!! how come most multiplat games last gen looked better on the xbox that were lead developed on the PS2. developers ADDED more to the game. MORE texture, MORE lighting, MORE AA, they didnt take away so with that being said your logic on that is flawed!!

[PirateThom]

You're confused.

It's nothing to do with power, it's the architecture of the systems.

They're too different for direct ports.

1 simple example would be how the 360 can deal with compression better because of the memory allocation being split between GPU/CPU, but the PS3 has enough space on the disc and a standard HDD that you can use less compression, so memory takes less of a hit.

You'll hear many devs saying how the PS3 has a lot of theoretical power, but the problem it has, which the PS2 also had, it's a lot harder to tap that. It's why the 360 is currently setting pace, it's easier to pull more from the hardware at the moment. Both consoles will continue to improve graphically, but Sony have more first party devs who push the system and then share their workarounds and ideas with other devs.

[juuken]

...Que pasa?

[gnothe1]

how am i confused, just like you said the PS2 had a lot of theoretical power, which was NEVER seen, games got better on the PS2 but not to the level of what sony PROMISED. is it not true that games that were built on the harder to code PS2 were ported to the xbox 1 an gamecube with better results. all GTA games were BUILT on the PS2 but the xbox 1 versions always LOOKED better. madden was the same way. Madden was built on the PS2 but the xbox an gamecube versions LOOKED better. thats all im saying. developers could build a game for the weaker system then port it to the more powerful system with more performance!! turn up a few feature, add more shadows, a little better lighting, cleaner textures. but thats not whats happening with 360 to PS3 ports. developers cant ADD to games developed on the 360 then ported to the PS3, most of those games are LACKING, no AA, worse framrates, lesser texture detail. but the CAN ADD to PS3 games thats ported to the 360. VF5 was built on SEGA's arcade board that closely resembles the PS3 but still the 360 version LOOKS better.

GTA4 was built on the 360 then PORTED to the PS3 but in order for it to perform at the same level as the 360 version the game had to be downgraded,the main reason for the delay(my opinion) no AA, a lower resolution, but they added a BLUR on the game to help cover up the lack of AA which still turned out good for the PS3 version because the game still looks good!! now if the 360 version was 640p an had no AA then I would say the PS3 is the most powerful but thats not the case, an dont forget sony sent some of the BEST CODERS to rockstar to help an the best they could get is 640p an no AA, so whats the excuse, rockstar dont know how to code the PS3, THEY HAD HELP!!

DMC4 also had that same BLUR effect to cover up the fact of no AA or a lesser level of AA because the 360 version definitly had better looking textures.

[PirateThom]

Yes, but we're not talking about the PS2 to Game Cube and XBox (not to mention Splinter Cell was ported from XBox to PS2 with minimal downgrades). All those consoles had very similar architectures, so porting was simple. There's games in the PS2 library that are visually stunning, like God of War and Shadow of the Collossus.

The point I'm making is that the consoles are holding each other back. If GTAIV was exclusive to either platform it would have looked better and performed better. All multiplatform titles this gen are going to face the same issues, they don't make use of the strengths of the system, instead they have work around the weaknesses of both. VF5 looked better because it was out a year later and had the upgrades Sega had made to the arcade version, just like Bethesda did with the PS3 version of Oblivion (which was made on PC, which is closer to 360). This gen is not going to be decided by multiplatform titles, no gen has, but by exclusive games and, from what I've seen, PS3 is now winning graphically on that front, Uncharted and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue are stunning, and I have no doubt 360 will retake that crown soon with Gears 2, and then it'll be Sony with Eight Days or WarDevil and then Microsoft and then Sony on and on. And that's a good thing. Multiplatform titles will never represent what a console is capable of.

Have you see GTAIV on PS3? Looks fantastic and is silky smooth. The delay had nothing to do with the PS3, did you see the game a few months ago? It was a complete mess and not close to being ready. I saw the screenshots and wasn't remotely interested. If they had released it when it was first slated, it would have been massacred. If the PS3 was the cause of the delay, then it's a bloody good thing it was.

[gnothe1]

i like this, we can DISCUSE systems with different views an never insult each other an have a good DEBATE. I only have 3 bubbles because I prefer the 360 an you guys know it but I also own a PS3 an because I feel the way I do they take my bubbles, read my history i NEVER BASH the PS3, I just dont think its more powerful than the 360 atleast not like sony said, an I think we both can agree on that but anyway...

you think that the PS3 is winning graphically in the exclusive department!! well.... thats all a matter of preference so I cant say your wrong. uncharted looks great as a whole but no 1 things stands out as WOW!! the character models look good but not as detailed as a gears character. the environments look great, the water effects are awesome, an the characters models are pretty good, so when you put it all together uncharted looks awesome. what game has character models thats more detailed than the gears guys. an that from a year plus ago!! also how many devs have the luxury of a deep pocket like sony backing them. how much doest it cost to make the PS3 REALLY outperform the 360(if it can) with the GT5 prologue demo it makes me think that they need a little more money to help with the development because they exceeded there original budget, so what better way to make extra cash than to SELL A DEMO!! the money devs spend on developing games, if they were making it back then ninja theory an factor five both would have stayed PS3 exclusive!!

an no the PS3 version isnt silky smooth, havent you seen the reports. oh from rockstar
http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

[PirateThom]

Well, you've got a bubble from me, sadly, I can't discuss this any further, I'm a little busy, as you said, it's all down to preference, and it's hard to argue against a preference!

As for GT5P, Polyphony have a habit of spending a huge amount on games, that's all it is, a way to generate a little extra cash. Something they have done in the past (GT4 Prologue, GT3 Concept), but I'm not complaining.

Anyway, have a good one.

[xg-ei8ht]

How about this.

Nvidia is happy.

Why because cpu's arent getting much faster, just adding more and more cores.

Nvidia knows that gpu is the future.

Nvidia and intel arguing.

Reason i point this out.

Over a certain rez on pc, does not matter if you have dual or quad.

Once the res is high enough, the graphics card is bottlenecked.

PS3 on the other hand is a good design, because it's different.

As said, 360 is done and dusted. Nothing more to see, i'm not saying it can't produce sweet graphics.

But ps3 is unknown.

I shouldn't say this really.

But once you see Resistance 2 in action, you'll forgot 360 pretty quickly.:)