The Inevitable Crash, and why Nintendo is Likely to Remain Unaffected

An article on Cracked.com got me to thinking. So I spent some time and came up with this. Buckle in and listen up!

[ape007]

u cannot trust metacritic users, that's a logical fallacy, Take MW2, one of my fav games of the last gen and one of the best online shooters ever, 94% by critics and 2.5 by users, BS

xbox 360 and ps3 are head to head against each other, I'll find loads of fanboys troll each other and given their rival's game a 0, plus those types of games attract jack@sses and internet tough guys that are low class, while nintendo user scores are more sincere, educated and polite, plus no fanboy trolls give 0 scores around

gotta give it to the nintendo community, they're generally mature and peaceful, Miiverse is the proof

[Theyellowflash30]

Miiverse is heavily moderated though. But I see what you are saying

[-Foxtrot]

MW2 sucked though...I can't believe it got 94%, hell I can't believe any COD gets good scores these days while actual good games struggle.

"gotta give it to the nintendo community, they're generally mature and peaceful"

LOL...no they arn't. They are the worst type of fanboys you can get, the ones who would put their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING EVEN THOUGH YOUR RIGHT". It's half the reason why Nintedo refuses to get with the times because their hardcore fans they listen to first don't want to admit that Nintendo are not in the best of places right now. Least Xbox/Sony fans actually listen to each other, they just don't like to mention each others good points in arguments.

Fans

"It's fine...wait for E3"

"It's fine...wait for TGS"

"It's fine...wait for this months Nintendo direct"

"No...wait for THIS months Nintendo direct"

"No...this one"

".........this one"

(6 MONTHS LATER)

"OH MY GOD...NINTENDO ARE GOING TO THE VGA's"

(Now)

"...Just wait untill next E3"

[AKR]

"Least Xbox/Sony fans actually listen to each other, they just don't like to mention each others good points in arguments."

Yes - because carrying on like blood-thirsty animals over someone calling your console of choice "bad", or simply not agreeing with your personal views - is the absolute pinnacle of the term "mature"

[-Foxtrot]

@AKR

" is the absolute pinnacle of the term "mature" "

Hmmmmmm thats odd, like really odd....I don't think I said they were mature.

Oh right yeah...I never did

Don't know where you got that from, I never ONCE said MS/Sony fanboys were mature

EDIT

No...come on guys, dont disagree when I'm telling the truth and agree with the user above where they've came up with something out of thin air. It's especially the "LALALALALA...not listening" behavior I was talking about

[Concertoine]

I really hate when people generalize an entire fanbase as one person doing the same thing. Im sure there are morons in the nintendo fanbase, just as i am there are morons in the xbox and playstation fanbases, but nintendo are screwing themselves over, not us, we arent funding their failure because the wii u's not selling. Nintendo fans AREN'T buying the wii u, because of nintendo's decisions. I own a wii u but i generally buy every console a year after launch as long as there is games. but 4.3 million does not equate the entire fanbase, not even close.

Everyone was waiting for a VGX announcement, playstation 4 owners wanted U4 or something else new, xbox owners wanted halo 5, wii u owners wanted zelda. No one got any of that. EVERYONE's waiting for the next e3/announcement period, not specifically wii u owners.

[2pacalypsenow]

MW2 was awesome the last good COD

[EliteGameKnight]

All fandoms are equally bad and good. One isn't better then the other. Each have loud, obnoxious, and biased members which is what outside groups see as the face of the fandoms. This of coarse stems from the foolish love of company over medium. Its perfectly fine liking a company for releasing good games, but we as gamers all play GAMES, not companies.

[KonsoruMasuta]

"LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING EVEN THOUGH YOUR RIGHT"

All fans do that. Xbox fan do that when you bring up the power difference between the PS4 and XboxOne and how 720p does not look the same as 1080p. Sony fans do that when you bring up the Vita's abysmal sales.

Fanboyism is all round.

[-Foxtrot]

@Concertoine

The difference is though that even if both fans are waiting for something at gaming events they still have third party games to keep them going untill then because theres always something coming out...so while they wait for more Halo 5 or Uncharted they can still play on Battlefield, Need for Speed, Assassins Creed 4, all the indie titles out there, Tomb Raider is coming up, WatchDogs, DriveClub, inFAMOUS etc

What has Nintendo got before E3.....Mario Kart?

[Concertoine]

@Foxtrot
Well, Wii U owners also have Watchdogs, and AC4, as well as Mario Kart 8, DK, 3D World, Monster hunter, and others to play until e3. Hell, we dont know when FExSMT, Bayonetta 2, Yarn Yoshi, Smash, or X is coming out, who's to say they wont be out before e3 either? Wii u is also getting tons of indie support, that one F-Zero clone who's name escapes me, Project Cars, Pier Solar, Shantae, Shovel Knight, even some console exclusive indies like Armikrog and 90's Arcade Racer and A Hat in Time. There's plenty to play.

Look man, im pretty sure you don't even own a wii u. Correct me if im wrong. But basically imagine if the vita were a home console, and you get the wii u. Ostracized by many, crap advertising, presumptuous critics claiming "no gamez!", and a diehard fanbase that knows otherwise. While i understand the other platforms have more games coming, there's still too much coming out on wii u for my money to handle.

[ape007]

MW2 sucked??, it's one of the best games I've ever played, it has that VINTAGE ORIGINAL IW feel/intensity, amazing addicting MP(with some small faults), incredible SP, some of the best VG soundtrack of all time, great story, pacing and atmosphere, MW 2 is the last great CoD game, ghosts pales in comparison

and nintendo cannot get with times because they can't afford to compete against sony and MS, iwata even said it

[CaptainN]

Right because Nintendo fans threaten to kill and not purchase a third party game because its exclusive to one platform...oh wait, that's right that's what Sony and MS fans do when they can get one game!!!

BAYONETTA 2

[Chrischi1988]

No, you guys are by far the worst, not Nintendo fans. They dont listen to your bs on nintendo articles, because you come here every single time and troll here. Where are the bad nintendo trolls on Sony articles? There might be one, but our area is flooded with your trolls. We all know the problems very well, but we actually support our plattform, because we like it and what do you expect, that we throw out our console, just that you are happy? How dumb is that? But you know what, you guys really are the worst. One time in an Xbox One article, I wrote something good about Xbox One, not even mentioning the PS4. I got accused by like 10 PS4 owners, to be an Xbox One fanboy, even though I would never get that system. And why did that happen, because I pointed out the goods and the bads, that is how far it goes, that never happens here. We try to stay logic and be optimistic and all you do is trying to crush that and you are not able to see that, like a small kid with bad parents, who to feel better, has to verbally attack other kids at school.

Ive never seen someone so incorrect with his statements. Really nobody ever said, one game will change it all, but you put words in our mouths. Yes, we said wait and it improved, what did you expect, 5 million sales in one month, it to outsell the just launched consoles? Do you really believe, that these launch sales numbers of the newly released consoles, during launch, right before christmas, truly reflect the sales in like march next year, that truly is delusional.

Talk about the worst, we are polite if we come to other plattforms articles and try to argument with logic, all you do is hating and trolling and you dont even get that.

You cannot understand, that all we want, is enough sales, so third party comes back, that is all we need, I personally can have a lot of fun with my console, even without it being sold like 100 million times, but as it seems, a PS4 fan cannot do this, the source of fun in that console is the sales number.

[ALLWRONG]

Playstation fans are by far the worst. http://n4g.com/news/1371027... No other fanbase does things like that.

[theizzzeee]

Nintendo will be fine. The reason although XBOX ONE and PS4 are hot right now they aren't really profitable right now. So in that sense they are in the same boat as the Wii U. Since Nintendo came out first you better believe they have more up their sleeve.

[Shnazzyone]

All I know is I don't go on sony news and xbox news and talk smack because it's not my first choice in gaming. Yet I see Sony & M$ kids all over every single positive piece of Nintendo news.

That's probably why you can't think of attacking fanboy arguments... only defensive ones. Probably because we ARE more mature. If you hate a Nintendo fanboy... it's likely because you started a fight and we usually have better arguments to defend ourselves.

[UncleGermrod]

I agree with you, the "horsepower" wars have always lead to a bunch of illogical morons screaming back and forth. Nintendo fans are sort of disconnected from all this.

[Concertoine]

you kidding? a lot of miiverse is a circlejerk of fanboys shooting down xbox one and ps4 buyers. i mean its too be expected on a network composed entirely of wii u owners. ive met mature people on miiverse, but not anymore than say n4g. miiverse in a nutshell:
wii u launch: hey this is a nice system, decent games coming out soon
ps4 launch: HAHA NO GAMES! WHOS LAUGHING NOW?!

anyway, nintendo makes so much money off of software and merch alone, id argue they're more future-proofed then the xbox and playstation divisions even with the wii u selling worse. theyre very conservative with money, oftentimes to the detriment of their relationship with fans, but that has left them with a ridiculous financial cushion.

[mediate-this]

Nintendo are futureproof, they dont have to worry about any division but gaming, maybe a subsidiary here or there, but they are gaming company true and through. Sony and micro have so many divisions to worry about. A crash would be bad, but ill always support gaming its my hobby.

[Nevers0ft]

Yeah, it's ironic that the console most often labelled as a "kids" console has the most mature user-base. I'm not saying they're all like it but some of the online communities on the other consoles make me lose faith in humanity.

[P0werVR]

It's simple, that's why I'm only interested in PC games and console exclusives. Count on it to be great games. Nintendo keeps it safe with consistency. So your looking too much into this.

[Realplaya]

So if your consistently good that's a problem?

[arbitor365]

that is the exact opposite of what is true. sony and microsoft are the ones breaking record sales in hardware and software and are going to outsell the wii u within a month. nintendo is the ONLY one crashing. after the holidays are over, the wii u will go back to selling 30K per week or less.

[BosSSyndrome]

You did not even begin to look anywhere past the headline.

[arbitor365]

i could tell from the beginning that it was just another piece of nintendo damage control but I watched up until he started using userscores on metacritic as evidence. the dude's just another desperate nintendo fanboy

[herbs]

Arbitor you stated that you only watched the first few minutes of the video then you claim that its all just Nintendo damage control and its disingenuous and inept...
At least the guy in the video made some valid points and then backed them up with his findings like an intelligent individual. Your coments are the complete opposite you assume and then state your opinion, completely hypocritical and laughable...

[mediate-this]

Say a year from now sony and micro are in nintendos position with the wii u, sure there breaking records, but say if they sales slow down to wii u's position. I say just wait a year, i feel fanboys are jinxing everything.

[BosSSyndrome]

Very good video. It's actually pretty convincing.

[DejectedJeff]

yeah, when he's not making AVGN analogies and such. and some incorrect facts such as the xbox division never turning a profit (having done so almost every year since 2008). but not a bad video at all.

[arbitor365]

also, since when do youtube videos get approved on here?

[wishingW3L]

that's a long video and I'm not wasting my time watching it.

[arbitor365]

dont bother. it is an essay of nintendo damage control and an incredibly inept and disingenuous analysis of the industry.

[EliteGameKnight]

...you do realize he stated that Sony could survive it also right? and supported his statements with more things than just metacritic? please watch the whole thing before you condemn it for others

[truechainz]

That's a shame because it is a fair analysis of the industry (while peppered with a few random metaphors that made me go, "what did he just say?") that opens the floor for a sound debate. Likely one that arbitor365 is not quite smart enough to participate in just yet.

[JackieCruise69]

Interesting. He made some good points and actually backed them up.

[mediate-this]

This makes alot of sense. Imagine all software on one system. Western business is annoying with their capitalistic over bearing rehash after rehash, no quality. Japanese devs are annoying too with thier weird business practises, but they pump out quality. I always thought a crash was impending. I hope it doesnt, but the people speak with their wallets.

[sobekflakmonkey]

"Western business is annoying with their capitalistic over bearing rehash after rehash, no quality."

What...you mean like how there seems to be an infinite number of Mario games? or Zelda games? Franchise's that have been around longer than any other Western Franchise? Game's that have been rehashed over and over and over again for ages? Hmnnn....yeah....those western devs....

All I'm trying to say is, what you said, is just not true, being that Nintendo seems to be the worst offender when in comes to that, I don't really even know what you're comment was supposed to mean....

[Chrischi1988]

They all differ big time.

People want sequels to good games, that is a normal thing. How many 3D Marios did we have since n64? 64, sunshine, galaxy 1, galaxy 2, 3D Land and 3D World. And on how many consoles were they? N64, Gamecube, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. How many CoD did Xbox360 get? 2-ghost, that makes about 9 CoD games on on console lifecycle. It is funny how you guys turn the things, so it sounds bad for Nintendo. You guys really must hate nintendo, why else would you guys shout out such nonsense^^

We can do the same with Zelda, but there the number of plattforms is even greater.

God of War 3 came for PS3, one for each plattform, just like what Nintendo does, can we say the same for God of War, like you say about Mario? Tell me, how many Handheld CoD games came out for PSP and Vita, how many Assassins Creeds? How many? So much bias, cmon.

[mediate-this]

An infinite number of cod, battle fields, releasing with crazy bugs then patching them after release. I said both devs have their faults, i personally like western devs better but im still going to name their faults. Im sorry if im confusing or striking a cord, its hard to go into detail typing with my iphone.

But look at nintendo, they release the same games on every system, but they are quality games, one way different from the other,virtually zero bugs. Eastern devs now trying to emulate western devs, look at capcom they are going under.

[kingdip90]

The problem has always been business men running gaming companies... The American corporate machine is exploitative of its consumers (EA and Microsoft are examples). The problem has been that America entered the market in a big way after the release of xbox 360 and Japanese companies started to try and emulate their business practices and are failing hard at it *square and capcom cough cough*.

If their is to be some kind of crash it will be the indies that pull us through, I kinda count Nintendo and indie since the rely on no one but themselves but I think they will need to drop wii u and make a new console in a while to become relevant in the living room again.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

If another crash happens, it'll take quite a bit to make Nintendo drop out.
Their entire business IS video games.
If a crash happens, Nintendo's efforts would go up to compensate, and they'd find a way to survive without ditching their consoles or games.

Sony and Microsoft, on the other hand, have other avenues they could turn to. Their gaming divisions are only one part of each company, and they could both easily drop their gaming divisions for a generation or two and fall back on their other branches to survive until the gaming side of the market recovered, if it came down to it.