The debate over Nintendo's future rages on thanks to the disappointing sales figures of the Wii U console which has consistently under-performed since its launch late last year.
Nintendo is not leaving the console market anytime soon.
Nintendo does best with handhelds. There's no point in them doing consoles unless they're willing to A) actually involve 3rd parties in the development of their next gen console and drop the casual gimmicks or B) try their luck in grabbing casuals with a Wii-like gimmick. I would rather play Nintendo games on the go over buying an overpriced $300 doorstop that doesn't do much other than a couple of 1st party games.
Third parties had their chance when the Wii U launched. Most of them have proven that they cannot be trusted with the Wii U's software future. They'd be better off turning to indies for new, creative games to replace the AAA studios that have deserted them due to low sales of their first attempts at games on the consoles flopping. Oh, and they've dropped the "casual gimmicks". The Wii U game pad is as useful to core as any normal controller is, if not moreso. They can play both sides of the spectrum, both core and casual. They just need to bring out more games sooner and get their advertising efforts up to snuff.
I hate to say it but they may be better off going the way of Sega. The company has to remain profitable and the Wii U, at the moment, isn't helping in that regard. The handheld market is where it's at for them.
With the PS4 and Xbox One going with the x86 architecture, there is not going to be much to differentiate them from PC's other than they're not upgradable. Sure the Xbox One and PS4 are going to have great looking games to early on, but PC's will quickly dwarf them as time move on. No more is there hidden potential in those systems for developers to figure out that produced gems like The Last of Us and Gears of War. So all you have now is a cheap PC that you have to pay to play online with. The Wii U on the other hand won't be weighed against a PC because of its heavy reliance on first party software, and ways to play as in it's Gamepad. The Wii U won't be challenged by PC's or the upcoming Steambox. The Wii U is the definition of a home console. The Xbox One and PS4 blur The lines.
Wow. Misinformed aren't we. Nintendo gave 3rd parties their chance with the Wii U, and worked very hard to bring content to their system. In the end, 3rd parties produced rushed ports that looked worse than their last gen counterparts, and then complained that the games weren't selling. People said Nintendo didn't release enough games in the first year. That's true, but that's because they were trying to leave room for 3rd parties to flourish, as they tried with the 3DS. It just didn't happen. The problem isn't Nintendo, the problem is that it seems like it's the industry versus Nintendo. Misinformed fanboys don't help either. While the GPU isn't quite as powerful, and the system doesn't have as much ram, the Wii U is not nearly as weak compared to the PS4 as people seem to believe. In fact on the CPU front, the Wii U obliterates the PS4, but only if developers actually take the time to make use of it(Just like the cell processor). Believe it or not, a custom designed gaming CPU is better than an off the shelf tablet CPU. source: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...
@MSmackyM Your points are somewhat logical, but they don't take into account the big, long-term picture. the people that game on PCs are happy because it offers more than a home console and they are fine with the expensive upkeep and technical maintainence they require. Console gamers are happy because they don't have to deal with such headaches and can still play all the multiplatform games plus many exclusives. Nintendo seems content with letting the Wii U die in the water because right now, other than ONE game, there is no compelling benefit to spend so much money. Nintendo fanboys are taking the Wii U situation way to personal. all we are saying is Nintendo can do well, but they have to start moving faster. they have 2 choices. 1) pump out the qualitty softtware or 2) drop the price and hopefully recieve a sales spike that entices developers to make more games. Nintendo fanboys ask why people are so dumb to buy into PS4 and Xbox One when there is "nothing" to play on it? Well, the reason is that at any console launch there is only so much software to be had. And Because Sony and Microsoft are doing a good job in communicating to the consumers that content is on the way.
Let me get this straight: your two excuses for the Wii U's lack of 3rd party support and downright miserable sales are 1) 3rd parties "had their chance" and "failed" and 2) they're "afraid" of Nintendo? and @ the snippy passive-aggressive comment that PS4/X1s aren't "true consoles" - really? REALLY? Good lord...
Yeah they would definitely have a huge market for supplying games to other consoles should they stop making hardware!
No they wouldn't. Fanboys from the other two consoles regularly ridicule nintendo games for being too kiddy. What on earth makes you think that these same people would suddenly change their mind about Mario over a mere change in platform? If anything, they would sell even worse there.
I wouldn't be console gaming anymore if Nintendo stopped making hardware. Would be full-time PC gamer. Fortunately, there's no need to worry about that probably for the rest of my life (if I'm gaming that long).
Nintendo still has best first party lineup and i know many gamers who will buy Wii U as soon it gets more games. I will buy one too eventually.
This is an opinion. Their first party line up is the same every gen. Smash brothers, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, etc.
The games you just listed are all system sellers. Nintendo is probably the only console maker that doesn't need 3rd Party support to sell their console. This means they don't have to bow down to EA, Activision, or any other 3rd Party developer. I am not even a big Nintendo person and I recognize the power of Mario and Zelda. Like it or not they do have the best 1st party line up, it's kind of the reason that they are able to stay in the console market. When people are saying the best 1st party line up they are referring to sales that those titles generate. A Nintendo 1st party game can stay the same price for years. Look at Xenoblade Chronicles which actually went up in price to $85. Nintendo is very good at what they do and so long as they continue to be this good they can stay in the console market for a long time.
Nintendo consoles are the most innovative and the most durable. If I lose my favorite consoles and have to deal with a cheap Playstation/Microsoft console then i'll just get a darn PC. Doubles up as a computer/media box and I don't have to pay for online.
I love my PS4, but after this generation I am probably going to go PC and Nintendo. The problem with Sony and Microsoft is that their consoles is becoming more PC like without any of the freedom. I hope Sony allows more freedom with the PS4, but I am not going to hold my breath. I plan on getting a WiiU when X comes out, until then my PS3, PS4, and PS Vita will hold me.
this gen i went PC and Wii-U. You get the best versions of 3rd party games, cheap steam games, pc exclusives, and nintendo exclusives. The other two will be a maybe after a lot of worthwhile exclusives pile up.
Nintendo would make far more a Third Party Publisher!
Actually, there is no guarantee for that. Sega has had multiple moments where they almost went bankrupt.
Sony would make a lot more as a 3rd party publisher too. Microsoft would make a lot more as a 3rd party publisher as well. They aren't doing that because they want to sell their consoles. Apparently people can understand that for Sony and Microsoft yet don't get why Nintendo isn't becoming a 3rd party developer. Also don't kid yourself, Nintendo makes a boatload of money off of 3ds sales. Thats before you factor in Pokemon which just prints money for them. Nintendo isn't hurting for cash at all.
The day Nintendo leaves the console market might be the last day of the console market. Sony + MS already made a step towards hybrid PC machines and 3rd parties would probably rather make only games for androids,PCs etc. as we speak. Nintendo is the console market until they stay exclusively 1st party. I doubt PS4 and XBOne will do much better then WiiU in the long range. Eventually it will all just merge with the handhelds.
One reason, hard ware includes handhelds, and that includes the 3DS. The people who say Nintendo needs to just focus on hardware are forgetting that the 3DS is burning up sales charts and crushing any other handheld competition in sales. Why should they give that up?
hell the 3ds is crushing ALL consoles. no reason for them to stop hardware and im not even a nintendo fan. I'd honestly would hate to see nintendo go the software only route. It would probably diminish brand recognition if they did that as well.
They need to stay to ensure there is competition. Competition drives innovation.
This is such a tired argument. The only people that want Nintendo to go third party are haters and those who just want to play Nintendo games on their ps4 or xbone. Nintendo make huge profits on their hardware, unlike sony and microsoft. Imagine that!
Urgh i hate how poeple keep saying its been failing since launch. It actually had a bloody good launch. It sold over 2 million units in its first month and a half on sale. This whole situation isn't even a sales problem. its a PR probem, perpetuated by lazy journos and arm chair commenters. that don't bother to take anything into context or look at the facts, and just can't get their thick sjkulls around the fact that so long as nintendo make a profit at the end of the wiius life, and make some decent games for it. The machine is a success.
Darn thing sold 3 million by the end of 2012. PS4/XBO are on track to do the same by the end of 2013. Gotta love people's twisting of information. Systems always have high sales at launch.
precisely, the only console that this didn't happen with is the wii. which sold like the clappers and then didn't slow down at all for five years. Nintendos biggesst problem is trying to step out of the shadow of it own success over the last few years.
Well ducking said!! Nintendo always makes a profit by the end their fiscal years... The WiiU still has a lot of room to grow and blossum.. I have a xbone and a WiiU I'm still loving my wiiu graphics and games!!! Mario 3d world is very comparable to any xbone or ps4 game.. But its not all about the graphics! The gameplay is sooo much fun. Not a lot or any next gen game(s) have gotten to that level yet.. It may take longer than a year for those platforms to get a game like that...
Thanks man. Good to hear someone thinks the same about the SM3DW in the grpahics stakes, Its one of the prettiest games i've ever played. the fact it never drops a frame is increidble to boot.
I play my Wii U more then any other system in my house. Only reason I'm playing my PS3 at the moment is to Platinum all three Mass Effect games. Then its back to 100% all my Wii U games.
I am by no means a Nintendo fan...But please please please stop saying this.. Nintendo isn't going anywhere...And I don't want them to.. They need to rethink their new console and stop alienating 3rd parties...that's it!! That is their only issue, their first party games are top notch and nobody can deny that... 3rd party!!!...3rd party!!!
I think they need to ditch the Game Pad for the Wii U. It's not overly used in a lot of games and not only does it increase the price of the console, it causes tension in the playroom. A lot of Nintendo's game are built on co-op experiences and kids. Guess what happens when two kids get together and there is one cool controller and one plain one? They argue and fight over who gets to use it. I say ditch it, or make it an add on, or allow the 3DS to act as a controller with a screen. What I really think Nintendo needs to do is to go all in with the Virtual Console. They need to release a Micro console (like the VitaTV) which has all the Virtual Console games available (an not dole them out a week at a time, but release all of them). Include a controller and a few games and sell it for $75.
No. The game pad is the biggest differentiator the system has outside of software, and even its most minor uses are still enough to improve the games it works with. Toss the pad, and the system loses one of its best features as well ass its ability to compete with the off tv abilities of the peripherals on the other two consoles. People need to stop suggesting this hair brained idea that the pad needs to go away...
No, what differentiates the Wii U from the PS4, XB1, X360, and PS3 is that nobody is buying the Wii U. So fine, keep the pad and the price associated with it as something to set it apart, but after a year I think it's clear that people don't care. Nobody is clamoring to get a Wii U because it has a game pad.
I am buying a wii u for christmas and I have a ps4 but I don't see how nintendo can be a dominate force in the gaming industry without more hardcore gamers and third party support in particular EA sports.Wii u has no sports games at all on its platform from any third party outside ea sports do you know how many millions of sports games are sold annually?Thas Thats alot of potential customers wii u is missing out on thats why i bought a ps4 first because there are no sports games at all on their platform even the gamecube had sports games.
Its funny... If this was a "Nintendo needs to stop making hardware" this thread would be burning hot.. But its stuck at 60°.. Hmm go figure..
Nintendo has really never gotten consoles right in the first place. Wii was a fad and now its showing with the WiiU. Nintendo needs to stick with Handhelds, and put the rest of their software on all systems, they would easily make 3 time the earnings. Nintendo Shareholders and the next CEO will see this.
So the games are great they're just on bad consoles? Riiiight. Interesting that said games can be considered great despite such calamitous constraints as having never been on a good console ever. Not saying Nintendo have got the Wii U strategy completely right, but talk about wild negative generalisations!
Who said All consoles? Who said Ever? You. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Seriously you live in denial, Nin history of consoles is rocky at best. They need to stick to handhelds instead of risking their cash with lame duck console sales\install base every other console gen. SNES = Great N64 = Lackluster GameCube = Lackluster Wii = Great WiiU = Lackluster See a pattern kiddo, because you bet the shareholders do, and they speak louder than loving games. Dreamcast Great Games, horrible console mgmt. Case and point great games dont save bad mgmt.
ForROME - perhaps I wasn't clear, I was replying to this point above: "Nintendo has really never gotten consoles right in the first place" It was the NEVER that I was questioning. To suggest Nintendo have never made a good console, implies all there consoles were bad. Which simply isn't the case. I'm not blinkered in thinking that Nintendo have had a perfect console gaming history, but similarly I completely disagree with the point that they have never made a good console, which was stated above. Hope that makes sense.
Fanboys won't buy kiddy nintendo games as it is, so what makes you think they would suddenly want to play Mario over The Witcher or Titanfall if the series suddenly came to other systems? Nintendo would lose brand recognition in a big way without their own consoles, and thanks to the way Fanboys of the other two consoles perceive their games, software sales would also suffer. Going third party would kill nintendo. It can't happen if nintendo wants to survive.
@ForRome You do realize Nintendo is a "conservative" type company with the a big chunk of it being owned by a few. And you wanna talk shareholders??? Do some research, the shareholders if anything are the ones that have made Nintendo what it is today. They aren't too particularly big on change, especially a drastic one such as dropping console hardware. And you seriously bringing in the Dreamcast in this? It was decent console for a company that had nothing but a line of failures preceding it. The Dreamcast was a good console, but was doomed to fail from the start. WiiU is getting started, so lackluster is already premature. N64 was not great, but still pulled profits and arguably has the most iconic library of games from Nintendo (despite being the shortest, ironically). Gamecube was lackluster, not in content...but in overall sale figures.
It's like people have suddenly forgotten about the success the Wii and DS were.. and the 3DS is. Nintendo sell hardware on the strength of their software, why shouldn't they?
Believe me. I'm sure Sony and Microsoft are trying to forget two Game Cubes duct taped together kicked both of their ass's!
n4g community is starting to be a videogame analyst nowadays...stop the hate WiiU and Nintendo will be fine
Is funny because inferior as it is if it delivers amazing games story and mechanics wise can beat other consoles. I will always have my respect for Nintendo the console that started all. In my heart Super Nintendo is the greatest console of all time. best fun that i ever had regarding games,period. Next is PS2 and 360. for next Gen i switched to Pc and upgraded. i am so happy now.
Unfortunately this same writer said that Nintendo should abandon the Wii U and create a new Next Gen Console already. Yea ... that sure worked out great for Sega ... oh wait it didnt. Best thing Nintendo can do is support the Wii U to the best it can. Start working on fixing all the little things that prevent third parties from making games on their system and why the Nintendo fanbase doesn't support third party games. Then when the next cycle comes, come out with a bang.
Nintendo will (should) be fine. Their first party line up alone should entice people to buy the Wii U as their catalog grows. With that said, it's my opinion that Nintendo should have never put themselves in a position to have the masses question their ability to provide a comprehensive gaming experience. Here are a few things that I think Nintendo should do. 1. At 30 years old, I grew up with Nintendo as many of you have. Nintendo should realize that a portion of their fan base are now into their adult life and may crave IPs that provide more of mature experience. 1a. If Nintendo has issues garnering 3rd party support, why don't they focus on opening more 1st/2nd party studios? Open a studio or two that focuses on mature titles. Open a studio that focuses on sports games. 1b. Nintendo has a huge back catalog of IPs that some you get gamers may not even know of. Start developing these IPs along with new ones... Some of those old IPs will be pretty much new due to their absence over the years. 2. For Gods sake, please open up your multiplayer system. I'm grown up and don't need to be protected by Nintendo. Allow parents to restrict what their kids are able to access. In other words, Nintendo, stop doing the job of parents and let them control what their kids are exposed to. 3. Looking to the future, I hope Nintendo attempts to match or get close to the power of the other consoles. I personally don't buy any 3rd party games on Nintendo because I know they will perform/look better on another console. 3a. Launch the next system with a Pokemon rpg. Pfft... Mind blown... Consoles would fly off shelves. 4. Start weeding the Wii out of the market... Why they introduced the newer model wii into NA is beyond me. Those who think Nintendo should jump ship and release their new console soon just don't fully understand the industry. Look at what happened to Sega... They stopped supporting the 32x, Saturn, and CD shortly after they were released. Consumers had no trust in Sega when the dream cast launched. It had a very strong catalog of games at the time and this didn't even save Sega... Not would it save Nintendo if people can't trust they will support their products.
I honestly believe Nintendo would do something like that to differentiate themselves from the competition. Remember, Nintendo is not competing directly with the other consoles (so they say)... But as I said, I think Nintendo should at least attempt some parity when it comes to the power of their next console compared with the other consoles. I own a ps4 and Wii U at the moment. What console do you think I'm playing ACIV on? Hint, it's not the WiiU.
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