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Xbox Hackers Have Managed To Dump NAND of Xbox One

It's closing in on to being nearly a week since the Xbox One was officially launched by Microsoft. Facing a lot of hiccups and bumpy roads leading to the launch, Microsoft still managed to sell one million units to the customers within 24hours but keep in mind that it is a total of selling units in 13 key countries.

Hackers confirm that they have successfully managed to dump Xbox One's NAND.

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dedicatedtogamers3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

PSP: The Console.

I remember reading an article a bit ago which postulated that the security for Xbox One was going to be weak. After all, the original form of security was always-on DRM and registering your game discs with a mandatory install.

And in less than a year, the XBox team has had to gut that system, start all over, and develop a new method of copyright protection, online security, account verification, anti-hacking methods, etc. And now that you don't HAVE to be online, there is no way to prevent it. Anyone who works with computers or network security knows that you can't create an infrastructure that is

1) Stable
2) Fast
3) Widespread, and
4) Secure

in less than a year. If you have less than a year, pick one from that list. If you're lucky, pick two.

What is more worrying is that if hackers have been able to do that ALREADY, what will they unlock in 6 months? A year? Is your account information safe? How about your credit-card info? Will there be hackers and cheaters in online multiplayer games?

pete0073861d ago

Not long ago i prophetized that this generation of consoles will be the EASIEST of all to reverse engeneer. why? you ask! X86 architecture for 30 years on the hands of modders, pirates and university guys that hack sometimes just for fun or to prove their skills.
dont tell me the semi custom bullshit and all those specific chips. a good ivy bridge, not to go haswell+ a capable Gpu with some good ram to keep bandwidt sky high ( guess what... ddr4 is coming soon!!)
and thats all. a flahed firmware and fire your guns.
the only good thing is that the most hacked one is the best seller.... aka ps2......

ginsunuva3861d ago

This has nothing to do with credit card info.

But everything else is true

Omegasyde3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

I work in Network security and your statement of "Anyone who works with computers or network security knows that you can't create an infrastructure that is ...less than a year is" is far away from the truth.

Network security is all about resource management. Microsoft could of improved security and could of changed the system security protocols in a month if they wanted too.

The reason the Xbox is getting modded, is because of piss poor management and or policies. Let alone the fact Xbox1 OS also uses a windows kernel + x86, which modders have been playing with for years.

I will agree with your statement that the this was a horrible insight since the system's proprietary features originally relied on always-on DRM.

dedicatedtogamers3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

@ Omegasyde

So you're saying that Microsoft could've made a network from the ground up (after scrapping the original X1 DRM) in less than a year that was fast, widespread, reliable, and secure?

I don't think so. Like I said, pick one. Pick two if you're lucky. I agree that, yes, you COULD scrape together working protocols for a nation-wide network - heck, maybe even a worldwide network - in a month or two. But it will have serious flaws, security being one of them.

Let's hope PS4 doesn't also have these sort of security problems.

EDIT @ inveni0

Okay, let's not waste time arguing about semantics. The point is that Microsoft didn't have enough time to add enough proper layers of security to the Xbox One. Simple. Any questions?

mark134uk3861d ago

i think ms will allow it to be hacked as it will boost sales like it did with the 360

nveenio3861d ago

@dedicatedtogamers

"Secure" doesn't exist in reality. THAT'S what every network security professional knows. There is always a hole. Rushed networks are less secure than established networks, but that doesn't mean they fall within the scope of the broad generalization the term "secure" provides.

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4Sh0w3861d ago

I heard this all before with the 360 launch and how it was doomed, 360 did fine, Xbox most stable, console and games sales did quite well. In other words who cares= I buy games and enjoy my console like most good citizens.

KiLLeRCLaM3861d ago

They are gonna hack our accounts and steal our passwords/credit card info and all that good stuff..

Eonjay3861d ago

I used to hack my PS3 but I gave in and decided to support the developers. I didn't do it for Sony, I did it because I wanted to show my appreciation to the developers that put their time and effort into playing the games I loved. After I updated, I went out and bought the same games I used to pirate. The only way to keep the good games coming is to support the people who create them.

Oner3861d ago

@ mark134uk "i think ms will allow it to be hacked as it will boost sales like it did with the 360"

Not always true, look at what happened to the Dreamcast. Having a hacked system may increase sales of said console but at the cost of the system being sold at a loss to the manufacturer i.e. no profit, as well as no profit for the games that are available.

In a situation like that you may think it's good as you are getting "free" games but what happens when devs dont make money? They don't make games. Then what? You can't download games that aren't being made.

Now CFW and Homebrew that is a different story and is completely fine. But we all know that is not the main intent/use by the vast majority of users do so.

indysurfn3860d ago

Okay I'm calling total Bull. booo hoo, woe is us now we will get hacked without DRM. If being connected would save systems from being hacked then why is there currently hacked xbox360 machines that sign on, and get updates ALL THE TIME! Every single day, and they do not get banned!

This sounds like a article that is paid for by Microsoft. They are hiding behind you giving up your freedom, so they can police you!

Remember 85% of all news articles are paid for by a sponsor!

TOTAL BS I for one am not falling for it.
First ban the xbox360's that sign in to get updates so they can run there games. Then make that stupid claim!

GribbleGrunger3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

Can they access your Kinect camera?

DatNJDom813860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

False Flag Ops. DRM will return.

badz1493860d ago

all I can say is...This is why we can't have nice things!

on the other hand, x86 architecture and Windows on top of it? it's no longer a "come at me, bro" situation with the hackers, it's more like "please be gentle" kinda thing!

iChii3860d ago

Wow, the comments on that article are just horrible... o.e

Kushan3860d ago

It's amusing how many of you don't know what you're talking about.

Xbone NAND was dumped using methods similar to the current 360 dumping methods, that's why it was so easy - they've had years of practice.

NAND is encrypted, key is unknown.

Contents of NAND are digitally signed, key will almost certainly never be known.

NAND dumps are incredibly common as a first step, they're not a vector for attack by themselves though as the digital signatures prevent any kind of modification to them (unless a system HAS no Digital signature enforcement, but rest assured this will).

In other words, this doesn't mean anything, they still need other exploits to do anything with the console. The 360's NAND was dumped and even decrypted years before they could do something with it (The JTAG hack) and even that was patched, another attack had to be used (the glitch attacks).

user55757083860d ago

explains why they originally wanted to implement DRM

gear3860d ago

"Will there be hackers and cheaters in online multiplayer games?"
YES! and I will be the first one to cheat

SilentNegotiator3860d ago (Edited 3860d ago )

That reminds me; I need to dust off the ol' PSP and hack it. PSP doesn't even support the latest wifi standards, so I can't even play my PS+ games on it anymore.

On topic, even with the 24-hour DRM, they should have been prepared with more basic security.

abzdine3860d ago

i could really feel the DRM u-turn would have had consequences cause it was thought from the beginning to counter the piracy.

making a u-turn 3months before release is impossible to do without bad consequences, especially when we know how terrible are MS in protecting their products from being hacked.

it's their own fault and i really hope this isn't true this early in the process because on top of the not so overwhelming sales they could lose the third party support as well.

The_Con-Sept3860d ago

Wait until they find out how to change the serial numbers for the units. You will never be able to get rid of the cheaters and random consoles will get banned if the numbers match.

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PSX043861d ago

just now I can say ... welcome to xbone

cleft53861d ago

Not surprising considering they are using Windows 8 operating system with the console. Nothing against Microsoft but Windows 8 is hardly the most secure platform. Just be glad they got rid of the DRM otherwise there would be whole teams of hackers working everyday to figure out how to take apart the system. This is just typical stuff right here.

r1sh123861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

this isnt really a hack.. Hes dumped the nand, the only time its 'hacked' is when the nand can be modified and put back into the console.

Removing the DRM would have made no difference to this, the DRM was related to games and this is related to the OS/ xbox itself.

These are two separate items that are being put together.
DRM would have needed to be authenticated by something, most likely a hashcheck md5- checksum (i reckon).That would be authenticated via the network so this is not related to the nand dump.

This does mean homewbrew - modded nands might find a way into the Xbone, which could lead to Jtag style mods. For the time being we have to wait and see what happens and how the nand is analysed.

the most worrying thing - why are xbox 360 nand dumping tools working on the Xbone?

I wonder how the PS4 compares?

Edit: Just to add remember when the ps3 finally got hacked Sony left the Pseudo Random Number Generator? (PRNG)in the code (LOL).
I wonder if MS have been stupid enough to do that?
or Hopefully SOny learned.

Without being able to break those keys theres not much to that can be modded. Running unsigned games etc..

wheresmymonkey3860d ago

I agree by itself this is nothing. Problem is that now people can go through it with a fine tooth comb looking for loopholes and exploits and figures out what realtes to what.

THe biggesst problem is that between this and the discs that got dumped the other week hackers have all they need to figure out how to reverse engineer pretty much everything.

Coupled with the fact that the 360 piracy scene has some pretty dedicated and tenacious people in it and you have the potential for all kinds of trouble.

Blaze9293861d ago

this thing runs parts of windows...are we really surprised that it was this quick and easy?

Darrius Cole3861d ago

I don't speak advanced-computer-nerd'ese . Could someone translate the article? And could someone tell me what a "NAND" is?

UnholyLight3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

Yeah, just like I was before, I'd be perfectly fine with Microsoft implementing their DRM policies again.

I really don't like what I'm hearing here with how easy it's going to be for hackers to get into the system. Is our account information safe? What about my PS4? How long before the same happens with that console as well?

Like I said, I'd much rather have those security checks than have to be worried about this for the next ~5 years before the next gen arrives. Thanks for ruining what could have saved us from this, all you who got upset at Microsoft!

T23861d ago

whos worried use playstation cards or don't save your c.c online....

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thisismyaccount3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

And piracy will make it a "successful" console....again.

Sometimes i wonder if the companies behind, do this on purpose, knowing that their console is not selling well (lets leave a "door" open in our system)....

Seriously... not even 1 month old and we have seen:

XB1 BluRay Disc .iso of Ghost or copied (what ever the term is, dont rem.)
And now the Console or parts of it too.

How much longer until the console is fully "hacked" ?

sweendog3860d ago

First I have heard that DRM on xbox was to stop pyracy. It hasnt worked on PC only controlled the innocent. I think that is why DRM was put forward

Finch3860d ago

All due respect to both companies, but I would of thought the ps4 would be cracked first. Now this is still early on both sides Xbox may get nodded first the way it's going now. Yet I still would not be surprised if the ps4 is still fully cracked first. I know they both will be cracked, just wondering what one first.

Shnazzyone3860d ago

Only 1 week. Surprised this hasn't happened to ps4, it's just an x86 system too. The second both the consoles announced basic pc arcitecture at their core I knew this was going to happen. How long until people find a way to play the exclusives on their pc's?

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illizit3860d ago

LOL.. You can really tell this site is made up of little script kiddies that have no idea what is going on.

The dumping of the NAND means nothing. Is it a first step? Sure.. but there is so much more that needs to occur. It has nothing to do with x86 architecture nor having a windows kernel.

Carry on..

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inf3cted13861d ago

Same security probably, not impressed.

Moz3861d ago

It's what happens when you have to put the copy protection in with less then 6 months to work on it. They just didn't have the time to implement anything different. They were probably expecting this but when the choice was between weak copy protection and no one buying your console they didn't have much choice.

iamnsuperman3861d ago

The only other choice would be to delay the launch. That could have been disastrous for Microsoft but at the same time it might have eliminated this issue

svoulis3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

If you're wondering what that means.

Hacked Lobbies, Homebrew, Piracy, and the possibility of Microsoft putting the ON switch for DRM. (cause they can)

@MasterCornholio

Not exactly, but upon signing into your Xbox One you agree on the EULA to not sue them for anything including changing in service and their policy. If they feel this is a real threat the only retaliation would be to re-enable always online. Which would suck for everyone.

MasterCornholio3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

"possibility of Microsoft putting the ON switch for DRM. (cause they can)"

Thats what they found out?

Well i hope it doesnt happen because we dont need that DRM crap back.

@Svoulis

"Which would suck for everyone."

This would be bad for Xbox One owners but not PS4 owners. So im not worried about DRM at all.

Blackdeath_6633861d ago

knowing what microsoft are like they will probably end making a knee-jerk reaction that will harm its regular consumers in some way the best way for them to deal with it is via updates the same way apple does on IOS

OrangePowerz3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

Would be interesting to see what the Anonymous guys would do if DRM comes back given how pissed hackers got when Sony removed the little option to install Linux.

user95970823861d ago

People who use online functions with stolen game isos always got banned/consolebanned. It's no different than it's always been.

famoussasjohn3861d ago

Shinymasonite - I've known multiple people with modded xbox's and they haven't been banned in years.

KiLLeRCLaM3861d ago

Microsoft knew all along that this was going to happen and a good reason to re-enable always online again..That is what they wanted from the beginning..

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falviousuk3861d ago

@blackdeath A knee jerk reaction, you mean like removing the other OS option from their console .... oh wait that wasnt on the xbox was it.

svoulis3861d ago

Yes, thats right. Lets talk about Other OS. Which I am sure all of 3% of PS3 owners used. It was a vulnerability and it was taken away. How exactly is that Sonys fault that someone decides to ruin it for everyone? Just like in this case if Microsoft enables DRM again, it wouldn't be our fault or theirs it would be forcing their hand because of hackers.

so yes harp on the Other OS drama, cause that proves how insanely intelligent you are.

Drekken3861d ago

A feature no one used on a console you never owned.

T23861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

wow you built a time machine, welcome to 2010 sir!

ziggurcat3861d ago

1. Less that 1% of the user base even used otherOS

2. It would still be there if idiots had left well enough alone.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II3860d ago

falviousuk + 9h ago
@blackdeath A knee jerk reaction, you mean like removing the other OS option from their console .... oh wait that wasnt on the xbox was it.

Facepalm.

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calis3861d ago

What exactly is the NAND and what does it do?

Blackdeath_6633861d ago

its a type of flash memory that doesn't require power. the info stored on there is what makes and xbox an xbox and not just a piece of hardware that you can manipulate if i am not mistaken by dumping NAND you can modify the OS and have custom firmware this will basically allow the hackers to do as they please pirate games, homebrew software and pretty much anything they want. from the limited experience i have hacking the PSP.

i wonder if said hacker can use the kinect for his own evil desires that would be creepy

RDF3861d ago

The thought that hackers could rewrite Kinect into their personal Webcam and spy on ppls is quite scary.

sloth4urluv3861d ago

As already stated NAND is a non volatile memory (same stuff in a USB stick/SSD).
Dumping the memory is not difficult, all it requires is un-soldering the memory and connecting it to a test board that can interface to it.

(I don't know anything about the xbox one architecture, but the same would be true for the PS4 if it uses NAND as well.)
If the controller for the flash (a device that remaps the addresses for the data and performs wear leveling to prevent certain frequently used addresses from being worn out) is a discrete external part, it can easily be lifted and moved as well. This would provide a perfect copy of the OS since all the addresses would be mapped in the correct order. If the memory controller is embedded, then dumping the NAND flash would dump all the data but you would have no idea what order it is in.

http://www.micron.com/~/med...

esemce3861d ago (Edited 3861d ago )

By having access the the 360's nand and hacking/modding it this was acheived.

http://www.youtube.com/resu...

It does not mean the Xbone is hacked but is just 1 step closer to it.

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Microsoft's Xbox gaming handheld will fail unless someone else makes it

Despite Microsoft's experience in hardware manufacturing, I don't trust it not to fumble its first gaming handheld device which may eventually lead to a successor not getting released.

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LG_Fox_Brazil1d 15h ago

Unless it has some fature that really makes it standout I don't think someone who wants a handheld will pick it when the Switch 2 is just around the corner and the Steam Deck offers a huge library with much better prices worldwide

OtterX1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

Especially since the existing PC handhelds (Steam Deck, ROG Ally, etc) can already run Gamepass. I don't have a Steam Deck yet, but I did see Forza Horizon 5 already running pretty well on it natively, so I'd imagine most XBox exclusives on Steam would run pretty well too. The most Microsoft could do is try to brute force a more expensive, higher power handheld. I doubt it would do well if that were the case.

ABizzel11d 3h ago

This has been my point. It’s too little too late, and there are too many options out now that can already do the same thing with similar or better tech, in a similar price-range. A best case scenario for them is slightly above Steam-Deck performance at $100 less, but that’s not a huge selling point for anyone who has already jumped into the handheld PC market, and people still on the fence. Or go the other route of as cheap as possible but making it a streaming only device around $199.

It would do well and reach over 1m sold just because of the Xbox branding, but their consoles are already selling less and less (by the looks of it), so I don’t see a handheld being this great savior for them.

They simply need to rebrand one of the Surface tablets into the device with dedicated controls and more gaming focused, and call it a day instead of heavily investing in a handheld

VariantAEC23h ago

I'm guessing Xbox Wireless will be a streaming system like PS Portal. And yes I fully expect their portable Xbox to be given a really stupid name like "Wireless." Maybe even a dumber name like the Xbox Series W.

Jingsing1d 9h ago

Doesn't make much sense to have a handheld that is locked down to the Xbox ecosystem when the PC handheld can run everything. I'm sure the same people that bought the Xbox fridge will give Microsoft their free money though.

XBManiac1d 5h ago

Microsoft handheld Qualcomm based... you will see it next year... and you will see it sink.

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The Xbox showcase brought the E3 magic

After having to prove itself for years, Xbox doubled down and pulled it off..

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GaboonViper11d ago

Yep Xbox absolutely knocked it out of the park with that stunning show, it was everything a gaming showcase should be, games games and games, well done team Xbox.

CrimsonWing6911d ago

It really did. Like I came out of that with the hype for new games I haven’t felt since… well the better years of E3.

monkey60211d ago

It was without a doubt one of the better showcases in years. There was plenty there that excited me. Something has been lacking in years on all platforms

EasilyTheBest11d ago

It was an amazing showcase I loved everything about it. Can't wait to play some of those games.
What's going on. 4 comments & no negatives yet. Wow, what's going on with N4G.

ThinkThink11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Show was so good, it made me forget about that blue dragon rumor until the next day. Too many games to process.

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Is Xbox Going Multi-Platform The Right Decision For The Console Market?

Shahmeer from eXputer: "The new Xbox strategy to go multi-platform could eventually change console gaming as we know it, and I am concerned."

Bathyj12d ago

Can we stop pretending that Xbox has any great influence over the console market?

All they can do is try and steer their own Destiny. They have very little to do with what the other players in the console market are doing.

And yes, going 3rd party is pretty much their only option and is good for them.

RaidenBlack12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Still whatever little direct competition they're offering against Sony ... that'd be gone, which is never good for consumers.
I know Sony will continue to apease the gamers but without any proper competition in same space, they might not work at the fullest efficiency.
(Taking into account, thats generally been agreed here, that Nintendo has long been not the direct competitor to either MS or Sony)

xHeavYx12d ago

The " without any proper competition in same space, they (Sony) might not work at the fullest efficiency" narrative has been proven false for years. Let's stop pretending that, in terms of games, Xbox has been any competition to Playstation.

fsfsxii12d ago

Sony had 0 competition for most of its playstation business, and they still succeeded, the only thing xbox introduced was paid online and dlc

maniacmayhem12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Sony had little to no competition during the PS2 era and they have an iconic catalog.

I don't think Sony needs competition in the console space to still release great games. It would be the games that would be competing against each other.

Einhander197212d ago

Xbox does not need to exist for PlayStation to have competition.

They compete with Nintendo, PC, streaming and countless other devices.

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neutralgamer199212d ago

Yes release games on other platforms

Your own gamers still get the games day one on GP. So GP will grow and stay stabilize

By releasing the games on PC,PlayStation and next switch they can get $70 for their games.

MS didn't invest 100 billion for nothing. This way Xbox generates way more revenue

GhostScholar11d ago

And Sony is doing the same thing whether you want to admit it or not.

anast12d ago

The show was like a sub-show for Sony. All these games are coming to PS5.

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outsider162412d ago

You gotta admit though..xbox showcase was actually really great.

RpgSama12d ago

I mean, yes, it was an Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda presentation, they just so happened to buy all of those publishers, nothing we would not have seen on any other award show if they had not bought developers that were and STILL are developing multiplatform games.

If you remove them you are left with Microsoft game studios, another Fable, Another Gears, Perfect Dark which for me didn't look all that great, Avowed, Age of mythology and south of midnight (might be missing something I guess)

anast12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

No better than any other show. There weren't any major new announcements, which is what everyone has been complaining about. The bar shouldn't get lowered for a trillion dollar company.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

"another Fable, another Gears, Perfect Dark"?
That's a lot of pretty great "anothers".
I could use a few of those "anothers" from Sony right now.

helicoptergirl12d ago

Yes it was a really great showcase that Xbox had. Multiplats and all. Overall it was really cool

Terry_B12d ago

for pc and playstation..yes it was. Not a single reason was given to buy an xbox.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Perfect Dark looked amazing! Wouldn't mind seeing something like that from Sony tbh.

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thesoftware73012d ago

anast,

"All these games are coming to PS5."

Very disingenuous statement... Some, but not all.

Oh, so that is the new narrative, "sub-show for Sony." lol, wow.

The sad part is that you are clearly and fully aware that it is very unlikely for any 1hr and 30min gaming presentation show to showcase ALL Exclusives, it just doesn't happen.

And don't you think it sad that MS had a better Sony showing than Sony? If I were you, I wouldn't consider that a flex, lol.?

anast12d ago

They are coming to PS5, the ones that matter of course.

There is nothing sad here. You might need to start your argument without an emotive.

I don't think they had a better showing. Unless we lower the bar for only Xbox.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

None of us really know how much they're going third party. They're still ACTING like they want to protect the platform - no mention of PS5 in their show, still marketing the console, still using the Xbox logo.
Yeah Phil acknowledged more is coming to PS5. But is that Indiana Jones? Perfect Dark? Gears?
If they keep those key properties in their stable it's not accurate to label them as simply 3rd party.
They may very well still be in the game after all...

anast12d ago

@Coconut

Sony did the same in their last. They showed games that were already announced.

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Giga_Gaia12d ago

We need to stop pretending like Xbox matters and has any influence in the industry.

By entering the industry, Microsoft made it worst, everything bad in the industry can be tied to them (like paid online and DLCs). The industry would be better off if they had never been in it.

Before you say Sony would have no competition, they would still have PC and Nintendo. As they are right now, Microsoft are not competition, they don't actually matter.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

I think you're mostly right. They've been failing on console and will most likely drop out.
But the concern a lot of us had was that they would use their $ to win monopolistically. They've already bought a huge number of big studios. Going multi-platform would alleviate that concern.
But they could still turn the screws, this game isn't over quite yet... They're sending mixed signals.

CrimsonWing6912d ago

I think in Xbox’s direness it is, but let’s not pretend like they don’t understand the value of exclusiveness to their platform. Not every damn Xbox game is coming to PS5 and the stuff that has hit have either been GaaS games or games that didn’t exactly sell gamgbusters and are extremely niche.

When Halo, Gears, Forza, Perfect Dark, Fable, etc. start coming to PS5 then that’s pretty massive and also diminishes any reason to own an Xbox.

LucasRuinedChildhood12d ago

Doom isn't niche. It was heavily implied that all Bethesda games, outside of games with contractual agreements and the existing multiplayer games, would all be exclusive to Xbox.

CrimsonWing6912d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Ok, sorry, Doom is the exception.

My point is Xbox is still keeping exclusives for their bigger games. What’s been released are GaaS: Sea of Thieves, Grounded aka Honey I Shrunk the Kids, and then niche stuff like Pentiment and Hi-Fi Rush. Then you got Doom coming out, which is an outlier, I suppose.

crazyCoconuts12d ago

It's not niche but it's not everything.
MS has got a HUGE cache of IP and studios now

Scissorman12d ago

It's the only decision. Hardware sales are on a sharp decline and Game Pass growth has stagnated.

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