This seems to be a hot topic when it comes to gaming. Console gamers hate PC gamers and PC gamers hate console gamers. It seems to be a full circle of hate and misery. Why?
yeah, let just say that every ps3/x360 will break and I will have to buy another one and you will not buy new parts for your pc for next 10 years and let's say that we console gamers can't buy used games for 10$ like I did -__- " oh and I can watch BBC iPlayer free too… " wow, let me get a PC right now haha
Wow, thats truly a sad comment. I'm still on my original PS3 and PC parts lasting 10 years? Really you couldn't even run a game today on a video card from 10 years ago. I can trade in my disc games and get just as cheap if not cheaper then your steam.
Yes you can..... If you ran the same games on low settings equivalent to the consoles then yes a GPU can easily last that long. There is just this wild speculation that you need to upgrade a PC every time a new graphically intensive game releases, err no you can just avoid it or turn the settings down....amazing how options work. You just like a majority of people who don't game on PC are horribly misinformed.
for fuck sake, I was being sarcastic. -__- <--- sarcasm I'm saying that article assumes your PS3 will break, it doesn't say that you will probably need to buy new parts for your pc in range of 10 years and it doesn't say that console gamers can buy used games for like 10$.
If you limit yourself to one platform only, well your missing a lot of great games. PC, Playstations, Xboxes or Nintendos. I've been a multi-system owner for a long long time and I've enjoyed every second of it. PC gaming. well instead of spending $600 on that crappy laptop and another 500$+$60 for 1 year of live on an Xbox one per example, well put 1200-1400 on a good PC/laptop and in no time you'll save on games the small extra you paid to get a PC instead of a console. But again the simplicity wall is in the way. the mass market doesn't want something complicated, they want it very easy to understand. The Iphone is the perfect example of this.
Einhert What pc gamer plays their games on low settings..lol? I play on ps3(ps4 very soon) and pc and I can tell you that playing games with a shitty gpu sucks.
5 years is the bare minimum but only if you buy the latest tech at the time. ex: Geforce 8800 GT, about 5-6 years old and now it cant run every single game anymore and struggles in some games (BF4 for example). Yes, you can trade games on consoles but that means you lose the game and cant play it anymore.
"Really you couldn't even run a game today on a video card from 10 years ago. " That is true to some extent but the real advantage of the PC is the opposite of your statement. Any games that you bought 10 years ago are playable on the latest video cards. GoG is a good example.
@DeathStroke-cro- All machines break. Fact. P.S. I have gotten some pretty incredible AAA games for £2-3 on Steam, not long after launch on some occasions. Sorry, bargain bins rarely compare as shops still need to make enough profit to keep the shop open. Steam is online, costs are radically different. @Utalkin2me Yes, as Einhert said, games run just fine on my machine, just as they do on the consoles no matter there age, even brand new games. Consoles can't scale settings, a pc can. As for games, I'm glad you can trade in your games for cash. How long will that last? Xbox One already wanted that out of the way, at least in the physical sense. The PC has already emigrated to almost digital only and is doing better than ever. Do I miss trading in games to save cost, of course, the difference is I rarely have to pay full price for games on my PC, compare that to the fact nearly all console games have an extra tenner slapped on the price tag and us PC gamers are doing pretty well. P.S. I doubt cheap games from shops can beat some of Steam's bigger sales.
"What pc gamer plays their games on low settings..lol?" Sometimes you have to. Even on "low settings" many PC games still look and run better than on console. Look how old the STALKER games are and they still outshine most current gen (X1/PS4) console games. That's why I'll never get why console gamers argue over graphics and specs. Fighting tooth and nail just for that 2nd place spot.
I had several PCs to die on me. I had at least 5 of them. I still have my WIN7 gaming PC.
No worries, I actually read your comment and agreed with it.
I would say PC is better value but both have pro's and cons. To buy a full PC Rig upfront costs £600+ (to play games at a decent spec) and you usually get 3 free games in your card bundle so that's £100 worth of games for free. although a NextGen Console costs £350 you don't get any free games to play so i will add 3 games based at £45 a title + £40 for your first year of subscription = £525 Add the fact NextGen consoles will last 10ish years then that's £400 in subscription charges thats nearly £1,000 all together you will be paying to have a Console this gen. When buying a £1,000 PC you are getting £1,000 worth of hardware meaning [email protected]+ on any game. When spending £1,000 for this gen with consoles,only £350 of it is hardware meaning hardware restrictions causing low Res and FPS on games. New Full title games on consoles can start at £40 and PC can start £15 Discounts on PC are far better than consoles, See HumbleBundle. Sometimes £250 worth of games for £3. And Mods are free and can add thousands of hours of gaming for no cost, See DayZ. That is my 2pence on the value of them.
PC doesn't seem to be for gaming anymore.. hope I'm wrong.
How so? I have 300 games on my Steam account that tells me otherwise.
Windows OS.. nuff said.
Dogswithguns That can be used for virtually anything as opposed to the dictatorial OS's on the PS4 and XONE.
Steam OS . . . Linux itself . . . There are options for gamers. A lot would gladly move away from Windows once another viable option comes into play.
PC gaming has exploded even more in the past few years thanks to indie games doing things on the platform they couldn't do on the consoles. As for windows, you realise the One now has Windows 8 right?
IF you quantify the expenditure over the years it can indeed be cheaper. But it varies between people so generally quantifying is almost impossible. Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed about PC gaming.
Agreed, it all comes to down to the gamer. On average though I would say it is better value for money. The amount of free 2 play games is humongous compared to the consoles, though that may change over time. That gives the PC a massive starting catalogue for anybody who's just bought one. Something even the new consoles are struggling with. I do love consoles though for the great exclusives, just wanted to get it out there that PC gaming really doesn't have to be expensive.
Depends on how you shop for games.
There are pros and cons of both platforms
I'm still rocking a $90 Phenom X4 and a shitty AMD 5770 GPU. I'm currently running Bioshock Infinite maxed and can even push Crysis 3 and BF4 near max settings. So my PC has survived an entire generation and is easily handling the current next gen stuff. I'm sure by mid-next gen I'll buy a new graphics card, but you don't need the best of the best to have an enjoyable time gaming on your PC. Oh, and I only payed $7.99 for Bioshock Infinite. The savings on games alone is phenomenal.
Your shitty amd 5770 is only 4 years old and launch price was $350 AM. It's not far off from this generations 7770 (which is what I have btw), but I can guaranty you that your PC didn't cost you $400 even four years ago.
But there sir you forget, that I can find deals on hardware as well. I didn't pay full price for anything in my rig, but that was besides the point I was trying to make. All in all, my rig only cost about $750, which is a new console and a half. Combined with the volume of games I own that I pay less than half price for, PC gaming is a worthwhile investment.
You definitely save a lot in games. The fact that it is open platform and that you have access multiple storefronts definitely makes for a more competitive, and fair, market when talking PC. The buy-in for PC is obviously where people struggle, at least if you are aiming for a high-spec machine. The cost does justify itself over time though. There is a lot of added cost when it comes to consoles and, again, you do spend a lot more on games.
True, a PC can cost more upfront than a console but it has some great advantageous. Its a bit like those shops that sell you something and you pay for it monthly, you actually end up paying two or three times the price of the item but its cheaper to get at the start.
How budget PC gaming works.(at least for me) 1) Buy/build a cheap PC with a strong CPU, and whatever you need to get games running on it. You can now play any game at some level or another. 2) Save up money over time, while still playing all the games you wanted to play. 3) Upgrade PC using the money you saved on games, or just money you saved in general. I dont know about you guys, but PC gaming isnt all about TEH POWAH, TEH SAVINGS, TEH FREE ONLINE. A big part of it is Building YOUR PC, the way you want it, Setting it up to be yours, optimizing it, pushing it to the limits, and when it breaks, bring it back to life. Its like a hobby, Like building a car from scrap, you could go buy a prebuilt car from a dealership, OR you could make YOUR car.
Definitely and that way your never outdated and you never have to fork out for big new purchases, like a new £350-430 console.
Absolutely. Also PS Plus gives you more free games and I'm not talking about free to play. You guys can correct me on that last statement if I'm wrong, just don't be childish about it.
Yeah, but it's not free. Paying for anything to get something in return is the opposite of the definition of free, there's no two ways about it. PS+ is a rental discount service except like any other rental service you don't get to choose what you want and you can only keep access to what you get for as long as you continue to pay. I can name a real money saving service that gives out free games, full game trials and far more amazing deals all without costing you an annual fee and 'still' free multiplayer included. It's called Steam.
Just think of it as spending that $50 bucks on a game in the PS store and there you go. Problem solved. And besides, half the games on steam are garbage and will never be comparable to a playstation exclusive title.
Such an ironic response coming from someone who wished those replying to not be childish about it. That's twice you've made yourself look like an idiot. Kudos.
8 years ago I would have said yes but not anymore. Now we have to pay to play online, PC games drop in price much faster and you never lose BC with your old games no matter the upgrade. Not to mention that you can build a similar priced PC with twice the power of a console... And how to forget the fact that you can make your old games look much better without being milked by a company selling you the same game twice in some sort of HD collection and stuff. Now the problem would be the exclusives like Uncharted and so.
I am mainly a PC gamer but I also own all consoles (minus the PS4/X1). My PS3 that I bought back in 2007 is still kicking but I am on my 2nd X360. You will never hear me use the reasoning of "consoles breaking" to justify PC being a cheaper gaming platform. With that said, if you know where and when to buy games for the PC (i.e. Steam sales, greenmangaming, gamersgate, cdkey websites, steamtrades, ebay, humble bumdles, etc), you "could" make up the costs that consoles generate over the years of their lifetime. I like to buy near top tier video cards so my gaming will be more expensive than the average console gamer, I admit. But ALSO way more expensive than the average PC gamer. You DO NOT NEED a $2000 PC to play games for a year (as some may think). There are quality builds around $1000 that will last you for a few+ years. Back in the 2000s, yes, technology was moving so fast that you needed to upgrade to stay relevant. That is not the issue anymore. Video cards/CPUs last a long time. Heck, my i7-920 from 2009 is still in my machine doing just fine. Same case and mobo, too. I upgraded my HDD to an SSD and my RAM from 6gb to 12gb. Besides that and my obsession for fast GPUs, that's it since 2009. I'm rambling... Price of games: My Steam account has over 475 games. Only a few that I purchases full price. Most have been from crazy sales, bundles, and or trading Team Fortess 2 keys (international currency) for games. No pirating because good luck pirating games attached to Steam. Believe it or not but my 475 games have cost me somewhere between $1000-1500. Sound like a lot? Consider that in the 8 years of the past generation, if you bought 20 games at $60 you would of spent $1200. http://steamcommunity.com/i... You may talk about computer parts (i.e. CPU, Mobo, GPU, Memory, Case, Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, etc.) needing upgraded/fixed. But don't forget that most console owners do need to purchase, possibly replace, controllers, rechargeable batteries (360), etc. They aren't cheap. I bet most console owners ALSO own a PC/MAC for work/leisure. How much did that cost? Considering that you don't need another computer if you game on a PC, you must figure in those costs also. Lastly, PC gamers play an unbelievable amount of F2P games. PC gamers also do not require a monthly bill (minus your internet bill) to game online (Live/PS+). I love all forms of gaming but a lot of gamers do not take into consideration all the factors when they add their costs to gaming. I'm sure I left out something from both sides but what I said is pretty factual. In the end, PC gamers usually have to front load their purchase but console gamers get nickel and dimed over years. This can average out the gaming price depending on your way of gaming.
I'd say their about even
It's pretty simple if you do the math.. ps4 is 400$ it cost around 400$ just to play online and games are 70$ a pop + the price of games drop way slower then on pc. with 750$ you get a better gaming pc then the ps4, you get cheaper games and more flexibility. PC gaming is cheaper, I'Ve probably saved over 2 grand in the past 5 year alone then if I would bought all these games on consoles. Anyone saying otherwise is just plain wrong.
Spend $400 dollars building a gaming PC from scratch Windows, keyboard/mouse and all. Then spend $400 on a PS4. Buy BF4, see which one looks and runs better. Spend $600 dollars building a gaming PC from scratch. The spend $400 on PS4. See which one runs games better in 4 years. There's your answer. Console gaming is popular for a reason.
and I guarantee for $400 one of those games will come free. The other? not so much....
The last nine months or so have seen large reductions in the overall cost of modern gaming GPUs. I promise you that, if you are smart with your build, you can grab something around $750 or so that will be very competitive with what you can get out of a console. When you add in the extra cost of console gaming . . .
Titan graphics card = $1000.00. A complete console = up to $500.00. Do the math.
Titan isn't the most powerful card anymore and in 4 month's that power can be had for under $250. "your math's invalid..."
Titan technically is still the most powerful GPU when it comes to compute tasks. Rendering etc. Although for gaming (unless you're a straight up enthusiast) it's over kill.
It's pretty simple. If all you do is rent games than Console gaming comes out to be cheaper, but if you buy your games over time console gaming gets alot more expansive than Pc gaming.
5 year old Gaming rig that cost around 500 pounds blazes trough modern pc games....i think he bought those parts from sale or from a friend since my pc cost a 100-200 more (saved money by getting AMD) and i dont have the power for recommended requirements and its only 2 years old. BF4 runs medium/high at pretty steady 60 frames, with that price 5 years ago i think that hes running bf4 now with 30fps low settings...not blazing trough. Not even a average pc gamer wants to run his games low 30fps. Also ive had to replace one GPU (HD 6850 to GTX 560 Ti) and power, those cost around 200 pounds at the time. Then theres other problems like in Ubisoft games which MP's are totally broken, also latest Batman origins mp doesnt work half of the time and the load times are pain. You may have to open some ports on consoles to make the mp work better but on some pc titles its a must to even make then work like in Splinter cell conviction (ofc not all has to do this). The worst thing ive had tough is the Nvidia drivers that made my computers freeze when using GTX560 and yesterday after HALF YEAR they made a driver to fix it, now i dont have to use over half year drives to play my games and now BF4 doesnt shutdown half of the time saying "update your drivers you dum dum". Pc gaming aint always like dancing in the rose bush.
So you are saying that 2 years ago you upgraded to a GTX560? lol. There's your problem as a famous Mythbuster used to say. You want a future proof PC don't buy -60 cards.
My Radeon HD 6850 broke down so i bought GTX 560 Ti from a friends at a half price. wont make same mistake no more...next time ill buy GTX 780.
I wish I could say Pc gaming has been cheaper for myself. But that's far from the case. I've spent ££££ on my rig. Simply because I couldn't live with not having the best. Pc gaming in my opinion is still only for the select few who strive for the best. It's fair enough building a "cheap" rig but for the true enthusiast that's not good enough. Console gaming (for what it offers) will always be cheaper. No matter how you spin it.
No, PC gaming is cheaper in the long run. I get far more bang for my buck with a gaming PC than a single console. When people say console gaming is cheaper all they look at is the initial price, and fail to account for subscription fee to play online, the, on average, higher price of games, the probability that you will upgrade your console at least once to a higher memory/slimmer model or repair it at least once, and after you consider all those costs console gaming equalizes with PC gaming expenses, but does far, far less per dollar
Not to mention all the other PC stuff you would need that he missed out. Like a cabinet/table for the PC, PC chair, antivirus software, an OS. Then you need a headset too if you really care about online and maybe a controller. Whereas a console you just plug straight in and leave it in/on your tv cabinet. Then theres the hassle of updating the tens of drivers on the PC to keep it working properly with games. Long ass install times and more frequent crashing/freezing. Yea its not so simple as the article makes it sound.
You are kind of grasping at straws with that one, honestly. You can, if you really want to, put your PC pretty much anywhere you want to. Just like a console. You don't need to buy a dedicated cabinet, nor a chair specifically for gaming. Just like you don't need to buy a couch or chair specifically to use when playing console games. You can assume people already have the furniture needed to facilitate your gaming needs to an agreeable extent, at least. Also, unless you are a porn junky or excessive pirate, there is no need for anti-piracy software outside of those offered for free like Essentials or avast!. Also, you are wrong about "tens of drivers". I upgrade my GPU every couple months, whenever Nvidia decides to make some changes. I get an automatic pop-up and it is one click sort of deal. Other than that, just updates to Windows which usually occurs when I am away and the PC is in sleep mode anyway. As for game installation, well, that comes with digital. An argument can be made for digital in that it tends to stream faster than games on disc anyway, and, either way, consoles are moving more and more in that direction so that's soon going to be something both sides have to deal with to a large extent. I would also state that, with the way console online infrastructures work, with even a decent internet connection, I can usually download a full game in about the time that consoles take to download any real significant patch. As for the crashing, that seems to be on every platform nowadays. Sure, there will always be more issues with PC, being that there are many variables with tech. I can only speak for myself though and, out of the three-hundred or so games to be found on my PC, I can probably count the ones I have any real issues with on two hands, if not one. Sorry about the long post, but I really found a lot I, personally, disagree with. Definitely didn't strike home from my experience. I would either guess you do very little to no real gaming on PC, or that you haven't in the last decade or so, considering some of the points you made.
Not in the long run. Only takes about 2 years for PC to catch console in price. Over the generation you could buy a PC just from the extra cost of games on console. The games, DLC, subscription fees, and microtransactions all cost more on console.
It depends on what you play and buy. If you are single and play one or two games a year (COD and Madden for example), console all the way. But if you are going to buy a good sum of games, PC is the only way to go. For a family and each member has their own console or PC, PC is WAY cheaper. Group game rates, plus hardware is cheaper! (some stores sell cheaper parts if you buy X)
I applaud and envy PC owners who enjoy PC gaming as a hobby, tinkering and upgrading their systems, changing all the settings to games, optimizing, downloading MODs, using cool peripherals. Personally I don't really have the time/desire to bother with all that, also I have no room in my apt to even put a desktop computer in the first place. I play some games on my gaming laptop, even though I could play games like Crysis on it (not at max settings mind you) generally I only play indie games that aren't available for my PS3. In the end I like many others enjoy the convenience and ease of consoles as well as console exclusive games that interest me like Heavy Rain and The Last of Us, Xenoblade Chronicles and Super Mario Galaxy.
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