Newspapers deliver verdict on PS3

Sony's next generation console has made a big impact in today's newspapers – with The Guardian and Evening Standard offering very different opinions on the forthcoming PS3.

[TheXgamerLive]

No, I'm not a sony fan but I also don't like how they try to make it look like an entire newspaper does or does not support a game console. it's only 1 writers views.

RFOM will be a very good title as will lair. Enjoy.

[DEIx15x8]

Newspapers don't matter anyway. None of their staff ever knows anything about gaming or technology. I remember reading a New York Times article last year about the 360 that had over half the information wrong. They just need to stop talking sometimes but never seem to know how.

[FadeToBlack]

“The first thing that hits you is the quality of the graphics. They are incredibly detailed and fast, noticeably more so than Microsoft’s Xbox 360, and often tough to distinguish from video.”

More so than Microsoft's Xbox 360? Yeah..I've seen in game video of alot of these launch titles and I can confidently say they do not look any better than what the xbox 360 has done so far. Furthermore Gears of war looks better than any game to date not to mention the enemy AI and physics are far better than those of R:FOM. So I really dont know how that guy can come to such an incorrect conclusion of the PS3 games looking better than 360 games, especially 360 exclusives, if anything they look very similar to be perfectly honest.

[Antan]

Because its his opinion. right or wrong, we all have em. Yours differ from his, and so on and so forth.

[bung tickler]

sony has in the past "created" reporters/critics to say "XXXXX is really great! two thumbs up bla bla bla" they even got sued and lost over it here in the USA. So you cant really trust any of this garbage.

hres a link: http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/...

[hamburgerhill]

I never knew that about Sony!

[zypher]

that's a very arbitrary argument. so what, now are we to doubt every Playstation review there is, even the sound ones praising games like Ratchet and Clank, while dogging games like Killzone, simply because of Sony Picture's woes? besides, what does this have to do with SCE? if Sony has proven anything lately its that Division A operates under co-independence from Division B.

[crazyman]

by any chance would devision A be the CEO's and division B the marketing department and PA team (or simply the rest of the world)

[ApocalypseShadow]

microsoft lovers will continue to believe sony is paying off developers to say good things about ps3,paying the media and anyone else who sees the ps3 as being a better system out of the box than 360.maybe that's why they don't have as much money.we are all as a civilization being paid by sony."hey sony,where is my next check?" "i need it before i get my microsoft and nintendo checks next week."

[CyberSentinel]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006...

[EasilyTheBest]

Ps3 coming so late has caused major problems for Sony.... Ive said before that the Ps3 needs a huge buzz to be surrounding it for the 1st year, Ps1 had it and Ps2 certainly had that in droves, hence there was no chance for Sega with the excellent Dreamcast... The Papers keeps the momentum going for the average person (parant)creating what i can only call a Buzz about the console, something they should be buying... I can only ever remember the newspapers who seem to know nothing about consoles, going hysterical and believing everything from Sony hype about Ps2. Just saying, yes and i know its just the 1 paper, this aint a good sign for Sony..
If the buzz is, its not any better than 360 then Microsoft will win by a bigger margin than any1 ever expected....

[THE TRUTH]

GOW does not equal the best looking game ever!

UT2007 uses the same engine and has A LOT more going on!

But to correct you Crysis us by far the best looking game!

It never fails how you 360 fanboys always yet and use GOW as some kind of cop out! Damn give these developers there just do! They earned it and they did what most of us though was improbable which is get damn near to that infamous E3 05 video!

[power of Green]

He should have said console game. URT will be on both console's so that doesn't count and Crysis isn't a console game.

[candystop]

Of course there will be better looking games than GOW in the future like crysis and Alan Wake, but for now GOW will be the best looking game for awhile on any platform including pc's! Also last I checked UT 2007 looked inferior compared to GOW even though they are using the same engine! Im sure it's going to look alot better upon release,but as of now it's not a good comparision!

[THAMMER1]

UR 2007 will be fun but just as fun as all of the others. Ru 2007 is not an elusive and it is not original. We have been playing UR for years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years. Nothing has ever been new there. And it may be on the 360 too. You do remember AC right? Do not act like because this is a new article that the sky has changed from blue to green O.K.

[FadeToBlack]

When i said that GOW was the best looking game to date i was considering the following facts. The game will be launched in a matter of days which i can basically consider it released already. UT2007 is 7 months away from release and i am sure those graphics will be surpassed by the time it launches by some other game be it on consol or PC. Also Crysis is months away from release and is supposedly PC only and to get the max visuals out of that game you would need a $4,000 computer with mutiple processors and graphics cards. I was not speaking about months into the future i was refering to the best looking game as of now. Hence why i said best game to date.

[power of Green]

What i want to know is, is this guy lieing to himself because i can clearly post a link that proves this guy's opinion is suspect. He might be judging the games of both console based on the launch tittles which would be a mistake. I mean what does it matter it's unlikley PS3 will pull ahead of the 360 graphically untill the next Xbox, if it can that is.

[4me2]

can you explain why?

[power of Green]

It really doesn't matter, if a first time user(EPIC) can make Gow look like it does the first time using the tech i don't see how launch games matter, games start to look and play better not the other way around. Multi threaded know-how will help the dev's push forward. Dev's Understanding PS3 hardware will be a problem almost through out it's hole life cycle. So this is why i think lt would be a mistake to compare. Only time will tell if PS3 can some how leap frog over the 360 graphically(some how jump ahead of dev's knowlege and time and ease of developing with 360's hardware). The PS3 would have to be pretty powerful. Its really all up to the DEV's and their talent.

[UNREAL-T]

y do u guys hate ps3 so much? i'm a sonyfan and i don't hate the xbox 360. i don't know y u guys keep saying that ps3 will fail, it's not even out yet "(11-17-06) can u guys read".
i own a 360 and i will get a ps3, and i cant wait for GOW and Resistence, those are the best game out there right now, y hate ps3 or 360, both are great who's better? i'll keep it in my mouth because if i say it i know everybody will be desagree with me.

[power of Green]

Not to sure any of their opinions have anything to do with hate. They don't understand the guy's opinion that goes against 99% of the gameing world. Sratching your head in confusion isn't hating.

[Silver Bull3t]

Same reason some guys hate Chevys and like FORDs, or team X vs team Y. For some people it's more than a preference, it's a passion.

[kmis87]

Ummm, who cares what these newspapers say? They're not even gaming publications.

[icdedppl]

i find alot of newspaper writers don't know ALL the information when they write their pieces. they rely on their OPINIONS to carry the story and many times, people who know roll their eyes because of how dumb they actually sound. this happens alot especially when they write stories about new technology. this is no different.

[DixieNormS]

RFOM isn't even going to come close to COD3, So the 2 best games coming is GOW and COD3 bar none. On topic now, Its a news paper. People only look at news papers for coupons and local news, just drop it allready.

[Marriot VP]

that's my christmas right there, GOW than COD3. Even if resistance was on the 360 I'd get COD3.

and no I'm not just saying that

[EasilyTheBest]

The average Mam and Dad dont read the video games mags but they DO read the news papers.. If theres enough newspapers saying the PS3 isnt as god as Xbox360, it will make a difference thats for sure... Sony will lose the BUZZ (theres got 2 b a better word for it) the thing that makes ppl believe its a must have product.... The apple Ipod has this in spades, theres plenty of MP3 players that are as good or better than the Ipod but the ipod has just got the buzz surrounding it that ppl just need 1....

[marionz]

i hate sony! but anyway 360 games to date havent shown much of what the console can do, i think its cos there are so many games comeing from ps2 and being ported to 360, once the old consoles are gone the graphics will get better, i remember when ps2 came out and they released monsters inc game in a limited edition box, and it was just a ps1 port with better textures, and showad nothing of what the ps2 could really do, so its still gearing up to show us what it can really do GOW is a good start, both consoles are pretty even as far as i can see, just depends on personal preference, but i hate sony and wont e supporting them anyway

[xbox360migs]

Not disagree

[DJ]

So what these newspapers state is just as influential, if not more.

Shadowgamer's right about Unreal Tournament though. The gameplay screens shown so far do have an edge over Gears since it keeps the same graphical quality, but has a lot more opponents and much larger environemnts (as well as vehicles and all that other cool stuff). It's funny to see PowerofGreen state "URT will be on both console's so that doesn't count" To state that it's somehow 'wrong' to compare two games from the same developer just because one of the titles is multiplatform is kinda cute.

[power of Green]

So what were you saying? the human control/AI is better is UT 07 because they went a different rout with UT vs GoW or wher you saying it had to do with hardware?. You still don't know what will be in the game, well do ya!. I read some pretty impressive computing that will be taking place in the background. Gamers will be the happiest they've been in ages, 3 days left and if i'm wrong i'll never come back. You still dont know how many charectors will be on screen at once. I'm starting to doubt Epic also they say Gow will hav vehicels but i have not seen one pic of one. lol / GAME CRAZZY MAKES SO LITTLE MONEY OFF THE FRANCHISE THEY STOPPED CARRYING UT's, BUT THIS ON MIGHT LIVE UP TO BE MORE THAT THE SAME OLD SHEEEIT!!!.

[beans]

actually if you watch the 1up show they have some sort of turret vehicle they show you on!

[Agent VX]

I don’t understand the fanboys? I have a 360 with all the fixings. I have Media Center hooked up, it runs on my big screen DLP, have the camera, and the 360 is an impressive machine.

But why do people have to rag on the PS3, it looks like it will also be a hit.

Each system has it’s advantages. For me, why the 360 next to my DLP is because of the its multimedia capabilities (Media Center Extender), XBOX Live (sure Sony might have something similar, but not better), and I have been playing the Next Gen for ¾ of a year. I even bought Splinter Cell at Best Buy in which they gave away with each purchase, a 1 yr subscription to XBL, and also in the deal got COD 2 for $10. So the cost of XBL for a yr is free.

Sony on the other hand may have a slight edge in graphics, Blue Ray player for true HD movies and still might have the edge in 3rd party developers.

But the bottom line is that both systems will be similar in performance, similar features and both will do well.

I truly believe the race of 360 vs PS3 will be close enough that both systems will be around a long time, both with great games during its lifecycle.

But for the life of me, I still can’t wrap my head around why Wii seems so popular except for a younger audience. The game controller looks substandard, and it isn’t next gen to me, just a stronger last gen machine. But even that, I am sure the people who like Nintendo games will love it, and hope it does very well.

[Silver Bull3t]

Blu Ray player for true HD movies, I like that...

[death monk]

I agree with you. People on both sides of this "fight" need to loosen up. Just because you buy one console doesn't make you an employee of the company in danger of losing your job if it doesn't succeed. Neither company is going to drop their console so you don't have to worry about not having new games. Both will have good exclusives, both will play great games, both will play hd movies, and both will provide FUN. They are made for FUN. Have FUN with them. Don't use them as weapons to kill each other with (although the 360's power brick could bash a skull in :)

btw, I own a 360 also and see these fights stupid. I don't want a sony fanboy on my ass saying "omg Death Monk that's because you just KNOW your system is INFERIOR lol!" these are video game systems for god's sake. you're not convincing anybody you are smarter by arguing which one is better.

[dantesparda]

Good Luck! you will never get these rabid fanboys to stop! They are ruthless and hypocritical, and down right repugnant, as you's can see. You're wasting your time trying to reason with these people. For they dont know reason but rather blind fanboyism. I too own the 360 and have owned it since day one, and am repulsed by the behavior of these little b@st@rds! They will just accuse you of lying and not owning a 360. They only understand praise of their god and savior, Xbox 360. Not that the PS3 fanboys are that much better, but yeah, the 360 guys are worst, much much worst! All hail, 360! Hail 360!

[videl]

resistance looks better than gow. and you morons will see this, if you are not blind when both games will be released. and motorstorm is 1000 times better than any game on xbox360. bla bla bla, dont buy the ps3, then i can get one for cheap !!!

[sparco]

Do you enjoy talking sh*t d!ckhead? Resistance looks better that Gears of War??? HA! I feel sorry for you.

[satanslilh3lp3r]

resistance in this category is not superior to GOW (anyone w/ eyes can see that). of course, resistance looks like a lot more fun. and btw, to anyone who says 40 people online is retarded, guess what? u dont HAVE to have 40 people in a game. u just CAN if u want to.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Here is a quote from someone who has played and seen Resistance and Gears of War.....

"But The Guardian’s Greg Howson is more critical. “The launch games we've played do look impressive, especially when viewed on a high-definition TV, but there is nothing on display that Microsoft's competing Xbox 360 couldn't produce,” he says. “In fact, upcoming Xbox 360 titles such as Gears of War offer superior graphics to anything we've seen so far on PS3.”

[kmis87]

Do you think that Gears would be impossible to do on the ps3 though?

I think both systems are capable of that kind of graphical fidelity.

Plus, Resistance actually does outshine Gears in some areas from what I've seen, namely particle effects and draw distance.

We've barely seen what both systems can do, so let's stop making decisions on which one is better graphically. If you'll just be patient you can see for yourself in a few years.

[Arkham]

You can't accurately compare GOS with Resistance. They're different games with different resource demands. You can afford a lot more when you're working with a third-person shooter than a first. Resistance has more breadth, while GOW has more detail. At any given moment GOW is going to look richer, more detailed. I personaly like Resistance because I want an FPS. I'd take GOW anyday for it's style of gameplay, but it's an entirely different game. Compare it to MGS4, sure, but not Resistance.

The stop-and-go, more strategic approach to GOW is something new to this generation, and it's going to blow people away. But there is no way the game could maintain that level of detail in an FPS with 40 players and provide the depth of field and freedom of movement that RFOM has. There are two completely different technologies operating here.

Both games are going to be great. Why can't people accept each on their own terms and leave it at that?

Oh yeah, that's right, because of the fan-annoys.

[Voodoochild]

I have been a Sony fan since the PS1 days. I got one on day one with a copy of Ridge Racer and I was in heaven. Then came the PS2 with all of its majesty. Again I was there on day one with a copy of Warhawk and Twisted Metal and I was in heaven all over again. I didn't bother with the original Xbox because I hated Microsoft at the time. Then a friend of mine brought over Ninja Gaden for his Xbox and I had a blast. This time around I bought an Xbox 360 about six months after it's release, and have been loving it. Great controller, games, and design have all impressed me. I am still a huge Sony fan, but I have learned that playing both sides of the fence nets you all of the good games and services. So I am no longer just a fan of Sony, but of all consoles. The next generation is here and I am loving it.

[death monk]

Good to see another open minded person. When my friends are at my house, we play my 360. When I go to their house, I play their PS2 and games like DBZ: Budokai. Either way we are having a good, fun time.

[Say's you]

Unreal Engine 3 what kind of an !idiot! would believe that the 360 can do those graphics without Epics Unreal Engine 3 infact the PS3 has Unreal Engine 3 and be able to play that game and Gears of War is not like the holy grail knowing the graphics of the game is not indeed superior only a moron would believe that just take a look at MotorStorm now those graphics are

not deffinitly coming from the Unreal Engine 3 and its certainly coming from the RSX chip that the PS3 can do those graphics and while the Xbox 360 well barely has any good graphics of its own with out any Unreal Engine 3 help there just making a big deal in saying that Gears of War looks good cause there to retarded! in not recongizing that those aren't even the real power of the Xbox 360 and the power is

actually coming from Unreal Engine 3 and even the PS3 has that and has the ability to play those types of graphics as well.

[Watapata]

That was all fairly incomprehensible...I'm not sure you know at all what you are talking about. Gears Of War, while utilizing the Unreal 3 engine, still necessitates high performance hard ware to run it. Its not like the enginer magically bestowes the ability to outperform its specs. The graphical prowess of the 360 does not come strictly from the engines that run on it, but rather from a combination there of. So far what we've seen from the PS3 has been impressive in comparison with titles within a similar time frame on the 360. I would argue that GOW does indeed appear graphicaly superior to any game the PS3 has shown so far, but I'd also argue that NO game on the 360 has shown half as much going on in a single scene as a number of games on PS3. Graphically I don't expect a whole lot of difference between the two major consoles this generation. I expect to see a larger difference in how much goes on in each scene and so far the advantage there appears to be in the PS3's favor. Put the fanboyishness aside though and try to be objective...also try to realize the facts before you state something as you just did. Truth be told, so far the "next generation" seems to be rather underwhelming to me on both sides. I would say that neither console has impressed me to nearly the degree that I had hoped they would

[TheMART]

Well yes and no.

Yes Unreal Engine 3 comes to PS3. But that doesn't have to mean the graphics are the same or Gears of War could be done on PS3.

The same engine can give different results on different hardware. Just as DX give different results on different PC configs.

Untill the 'real' specs of the RSX are brought out in the open by Sony (who is keeping them from the public, but why?), I keep saying that it sounds like a Nintendo/Wii coverup story and I expect the special build 360 GPU to be stronger.

Epic got Microsoft to use 512 MB unified memory. That's not just for fun. That was to make Gears of War run like it should. PS3 uses seperate memory for Cell and RSX. Yep there is a workaround to make some sort of use of the dedicated memory for the other part, BUT at what cost and in what way?

It could mean it's not working like unified memory, which in that light seen could mean the PS3 can't do Gears of War and any other game with large textures going over 256MB or a workaround 'rabbit hole' to do some tricks. Tricks never give the best result, how hard one tries, it's always fixing a wounded soldier

I also don't expect a lot of difference in the long run. Although with the things pointed out above, the DX9 base BUT having it's own 360 API control which is not restricted to DX10 rules that could mean it can do as much if not more then DX10, the more easy to program 360 and things like XNA, Source from Valve etc. etc., I expect the 360 just has advantage over other consoles because MS is software based and knows how to handle the stuff right. Unlike Sony which has always been making products but not very good in software (the hard to program PS2, non working emotion engines, not able to put a descent online service for PS2, a non-unified (not it's own programmed network) online PS3 service etc etc

[Watapata]

Here's a thought for you Mart, maybe the specs of the RSX were never changed and thats why Sony hasn't felt the need to release the "real" specs again as you so eloquently put it. Either way, they have no obligation to do so and frankly, the games that have been demonstrated bare witness to the fact that its plenty powerful enough. Considering that the PS3 is infamously hard to program for in your eyes, it stands to reason that developers will get more out of the RSX in the future than they are now, and since what they are getting out now compares favorably with what devs are getting out of the 360, where is the concern. Don't say that people should know all the specs before buying a piece of hardware, because plain and simple basically no one understand said specs. You are the only one who continually harps on this and its ridiculous. Do you honestly think that you understand computer architecture to such a degree that if Sony did release the specs you'd be able to accurately differentiate between the performance potentials of each console? The RSX could have the exact same specs, according to what was released by Microsoft, as what the 360 GPU has and still have significantly better or worse performance depending on the architecture used for it. Additionally, it could have slightly worse specs all around and STILL deliver better performance. You should let the screen captures and videos do the speaking for you as opposed to the specs because regardless of what the specs are, its the end result that matters and so far that end result seems to be fairly good. Far as RSX accessing all 512 MB of memory goes, Sony stated at the onset that that was the goal, I doubt they would hamstring its performance by making the work around complicated. In addition, the bandwidth to the CPU RAM is significantly higher than that to the GPU RAM, which more than likely was intended to offset the penalty accrued by having the GPU access the CPU RAM. As far as "tricks" go in hardware, they are relatively common through the industry and often allow a programmer to do things that couldn't be done otherwise and often can deliver quite the performance increase. It could be argued that few dev teams ever use the hardware entirely the way it was intended. I don't understand your need to claim that the PS3 isn't as capable as the 360 in terms of hardware, frankly it should be considering the time spent on it. I'll give you that the online service for the PS3 is completely unproven at this point, but you are every bit as much the rabid fanboy as a number of other people here.

[Arkham]

I agree for the most part, but I think the reason for not releasing the specs is that they can't realistically be compared on paper. The Cell is integral to the way the PS3 works, and while the RSX may or may not be as powerful as the GPU in the 360, Sony doesn't need to be caught out playing the numbers game.

If they put out favourable numbers, the anti-Sony crowd will resume their "Sony is LieER=s1!1" refrain. And if they put out realistic numbers (which I suspect are comparable to 360 GPU's at best), they'll look wishy-washy.

If there's any proof to be found it'll be where it counts: in the games. And more importantly, in time.

[DJ]

Sony or nVidia to go too indepth with their spec sheets since most consumers not only won't understand the technical jargon, but don't care. It's best to let the games do the talking, and everyone can agree on that. There's also things in the RSX that probably shouldn't be revealed until nVidia gets its G80 series due the presence of ATI on the market. I do know that the HDR capabilities of the RSX were built by nVidia with the assistance of ILM. And since it's nVidia tech, it's obviously going to be used in future GPU cards.