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PSXE Killzone: Shadow Fall Review: Great, But Not Exactly "Next-Gen"

There's a lot to be said for an extremely entertaining, diverse, and well-paced shooter with addictive multiplayer. But where's all that next-level sh**?

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LocutusEstBorg4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

It's 3 year old hardware that can only produce better framerates with marginally improved graphics compared to the PS3.

Improving visuals visibly requires a geometric increase in GPU power like a PC that is 150x as powerful as a PS3 unlike the PS4 which is maybe 10x as powerful as the PS3.

Utalkin2me4233d ago

Awwwww, someone butthurt? Its alright guy things will be fine. Maybe someday you can post facts.....roflamo

pixelsword4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

I love those "150x more powerful than the PS3" PCs that hardly anyone ever owns until consoles catch-up to the tech. I also love it when 99.9% of the games made won't need that overblown power until when, you guessed it, when consoles catch up.

AndrewLB4233d ago

While the 150x claim is highly exaggerated, the fact remains that just about any gaming PC with any i5 or i7 CPU and a discrete graphics card will be faster than the PS4. Right now you can get an AMD HD7850 2gb card for $109 @ Newegg which has the same flops as the PS4, but will outperform it due to having dedicated GDDR5 that's not shared. And performance only goes up from there. I believe the new GTX 780ti is either 3x or 4x the flops of a PS4.

BitbyDeath4233d ago

@AndrewLB, only problem is no games will get made to use that power until consoles are close to matching it making any boasting from the PC side more or less irrelevant.

Army_of_Darkness4233d ago

@andrewLB

The ps4 is shivering in fear......
well, enjoy reading those specs ;-)

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MajorJackHoff4233d ago

I watched my bro play it last night and the graphics looked freaking great. Also, your rant was really uneducated and actually kind of adorable.

Kingthrash3604233d ago

lol ...."adorable."
so true..and perfect word for his bs baby rant, lol.

Madderz4233d ago

It's cute when the elitists, get all worried and defensive isnt't it.

They all have these super powerhouse computers which go to waste trolling PS4 articles haha!

:D

hay4233d ago

"Baby rant" made my day :D

Parapraxis4233d ago

Please show me a PC 150 x more pwerful than a PS3

Ps3 pushed 1.8 TFLOPS
A Radeon R9 290X pushes 5.6 TFLOPS.

sashimi4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

I know right? if only reality worked that way rofl.

Dasteru4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

There is more to visual capablities than just flops. Also a PC can have up to 4 single GPU video cards at once, the Geforce Titan is 4.5Tflops x 4 is 18Tflops. Then there is the power from the CPU and the Ram which current PCs can pack up to 128GB of, i think there are actually a couple boards that support 256GB already.

Regardless, his numbers are a bit off.

The PS4 is 8x the power of a PS3
The best possible quad sli PC is around 40-50x the power of a PS3. although with DDR4, Stacked DRAM, Re-Ram & Mantle coming out within the next year or so, that number will quickly jump to probably 200x.

Now all we need is developers that are willing to actually spend the time and money to code a game that takes advantage of it.

Studio-YaMi4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

@Dasteru
If anyone thinks that more than 5% have a Quad SLI(a Quad SLI titans for that matter) then they are soooooooooooo delusional.

These $4000 dollars PCs are just for the hardcore PC elites that like to brag about how much useless power they have compared to other cheap PCs that are ACTUALLY optimized for the next 5 years unlike the aww-so-powerful god like PCs that will get outdated fast when new technology is presented to the table. <--- I learned this the hard way while having some great advice from a PC elite friend(who isn't shallow or close-minded as many PC elites out there).

Bottom line is .. PC is "better" for the right price,not to mention in the long run,a PC investment will save you more money,since PC games are sold cheaper and have much more discounts than console games.

But you have to save up for that glorious gaming PC,on the other hand for a $400 dollars PS4,that's a steal(for the console itself not including the long run while buying games and subscriptions etc etc) and of course consoles have DAMN GREAT exclusives that you won't find on the PC library of games,which is why gamers tend to always have a gaming PC AND a console of choice.

Dasteru4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

@Studio-YaMi:

Never said more than 5% of people had that kind of rig, matter of fact i would guess it is more like 0.001%, the point was simply that it is possible to build a system of that power.

Also yes i know no games take advatage of it, hence the "Now all we need is developers that are willing to actually spend the time and money to code a game that takes advantage of it."

Didn't disagree with you btw.

AndrewLB4233d ago

PS3 was 430 gflops, making the GTX 780ti 15x more powerful.

Sarcasm4233d ago

Seriously though, all the pixel crunching power really doesn't matter if we don't have exclusive PC only games that push the hardware to the brink. The last great looking game that utilized a lot of CPU and GPU power was Crysis 3... And that's about it.

RevXM4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

@ Dasteru
RSX pushes 176 GFLOPS
Cell pushes 230 GFLOPS
Grand total of 406 GFLOPS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
" Cell CPU achieves a theoretical maximum of 230.4 GFLOPS"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
"Floating Point Operations: 176 GFLOPS"

And no pc is 150 times as powerful as Ps3 yet rofl. 200X performance within the coming year...

I want what you are smoking son because going from 40-50 times the power to 200 a jump of 4x power judging by moores law takes 3-4 years granted that the chip isnt cutting down on power consumption and physical size as well. If what you say does happen we will need 4000Watts powersupplies by 2016 (guesstimation). So I think 200X power of Ps3 is happening about 5 years from now.

Dasteru4232d ago (Edited 4232d ago )

@RevXM:

For starters, Moore's law expired a few years ago, it was never intended to be a permanent rule, as a matter of fact it was never a "rule" to begin with, it was an observation of current trends.

Second, we are on the edge a substantial generational leap in computing power with the technologies i listed, Mantle alone has the potential to easily give a 2x increase on its own. Then you have stacked DRAM, DDR4 and possibly even Re-Ram which also has the potential to provide huge gains. A 4x leap is perfectly reasonable.

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Visiblemarc4233d ago

The game looks remarkably good, actually, when you see it in person.

Besides, I always find this kind of talk funny. Last gen was WAY out of it's league for years. To say games are similar, doesn't make a good case. It's like a guy killing himself to lift up a barbell and then a bodybuilder comes along and lifts it easily and then you say that since they both lifted the same weight, the second guy isn't stronger and isn't capable
of more.

GTA V is a great example. I love that game and played the hell out of it, but was it even 720p? Probably sub 720, scaled up. The framerate danced around 20, way too often, also.

Just taking a game like GTA V and running it at 1080p/60fps would already make it a "next gen" game imo and before the end of this console cycle, way better games will be made.

GenericNameHere4233d ago

Ahh yes! The great and mighty PC Race! The only platform where EVERYONE has so much money, they can all run Crysis 3 on super duper ultra settings in 8K with like 120FPS on 100" triple monitors!

Felonycarclub84233d ago

Only improved graphics lmfao you are pathetic

ufo8mycat4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

So a high-end PC is 140x more powerful then the PS4, yet the graphics for 99% of PC games are hardly any better. And that 1% like Crysis 3, still ain't THAT big of a difference.

Why?

techical power differences on paper varies GREATLY to real-world difference (what you see on screen) which are much much much smaller.

Seems like butt hurt PC fanboys getting angry since PS4 graphics are 'close enough/good enough' (which is true) therefore PC's once 'better graphics' argument is no longer valid anymore, making their platform even less and less appealing now.

Also considering all those 'PC games' can already be played on consoles.

Cries :*(

Oh well theres always DoTa, League of Legends lol

Valkyre4233d ago

serious case of superiority/inferiority complex confirmed.

Now go on, go to the next console article and keep going strong...

your elite race needs you!

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PoSTedUP4233d ago

by your standards you wont see that next gen "sh**" even next gen. so did you give it an 8 as a previous gen title, or what? cause that next gen "sh**" is Here, bro.

admiralvic4233d ago

"But Not Exactly 'Next-Gen'"

I hear people say this, but I still don't know what it means... what exactly do you think when a new generation comes? People will start triple wielding, since man has advanced to that point as every gun fires off fully defined bullets (like in Wanted) at 120,000 frames per milisecond and the online will feature 1,000,000 vs 1,000,000 player multiplayer in battlefields the size of helghan with dynamic elements, real time action all while shooting recharge beams into your dualshock 4 to prevent it from ever dying outside of your system being destroyed via a black hole, since it's the only force strong enough to destroy a next gen system?

Anyway, go play Killzone 1 if you really feel that way. Outside of graphics and fine tuning, the series isn't that different from a game that released two generations ago. Most of the upgrades were simply visual, which is most of what the next generation will offer.

AndrewLB4233d ago

I don't consider any console next-gen when it can't run ALL games at 1080p/60. It's been the standard for years and by the time PS5 is released, they'll finally get full-HD and the rest of gaming will be on 4k.

Themba764233d ago

must be a pc gamer too bad im not it's the first time ive seen 1080p native. so for me it's definately next gen.

chrissx4233d ago

Gives it an 8.0 and says great but not exactly next gen. This is the problem with journalism these days. This game is the best next gen app out there right now when it comes to FPS, better than COD and BF by far

Pandamobile4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

COD? Yeah. Battlefield? Naw. Shadowfall has been getting a lot of mixed reviews.

Studio-YaMi4233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

I agree it's not on par with Battlefield 4,but it's damn close.

On consoles at least,Killzone:shadow fall looks amazing compared to battlefield 4,even the PC version of battlefield 4 isn't that much better than killzone:shadow fall,maybe 35-40% better.

Unless of course you're gonna throw in 4K res @120FPS,then that would be a major difference in visuals and smoothness.

s1lentone4233d ago

I don't know man, i kinda agree with Chrissx here. BF4 Feels so Rushed its not even funny. Its like BF3 with Pretty water texture. I'm a bit disappointed with BF4 because i'm a fan of the series.

lsujester4233d ago

At least Killzone works for the most part. BF4 spent a couple of weeks as a crashing, glitchy pile of dogcrap, at least on PC. I'm not sure how it's faring on PS4, but I was hearing largely the same from a friend.

BlakHavoc4233d ago

I wouldn't read too much into reviews, although they are journalists they all have different taste in games, how else do you explain a 9.5 review for KZSF and a 5 rating from another site. Just try it for yourself, I would give it an 8.5, a good game but nothing really amazing about it IMO.

Salooh4233d ago

Killzone shine in it's graphics. BF4 shines in it's gameplay. Both are awesome in their own way. I dunno why people insist on choosing . I will enjoy both in 29th :P

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rdgneoz34233d ago (Edited 4233d ago )

It is an amazing game graphically, just getting into the story of it so far. Was somewhat getting distracted by the MP part of the game, and loving how easy it is to just get right into.

As for the mixed reviews, IGN for example pretty much said COD's story was passable at best, and BF4 had good set pieces. while for KZ:SF it was basically saying the pacing was off on it story wise. The real meat of the 3 games is the MP, and seeing as reviews popped up before anyone was even getting into that for KZ... Also nice to note is GG taking fan feedback for 24 player death matches into consideration so quickly.

admiralvic4233d ago

I would love to agree, there are many gamers that aren't journalists that refer to games as being "not exactly next gen". However, being "last generation" and being "next generation" shouldn't absolutely destroy the score either. There is no reason why Killzone SF should go from a 10/10 (for sake of argument) on the PlayStation 3 to a sub 8/10 because it's on the PlayStation 4. It's arbitrary and illogical. If every game was graded off elements like this, then there would be no point in reviews. You could nitpick some games, like the latest mario's and explain how if they dropped the hd graphics, 3d models, simplified the story, removed the cutscenes, and more, then these games could have came out in the NES or SNES era. Even though most people aren't going to care if the game could work last gen or last last gen or even last last gen if you made enough changes. They just care if the game in question is good and worth their hard earned money.

Morpheuzpr4233d ago

I agree. Review aren't meant to be opinion peaces. They are meant to be informational. Is the game broken? Does it has a campaign mode and how long is it? Are the visuals on par or better than other games? Does it have multiplayer or co-op? etc etc etc...

This whole opinion BS doesn't tell me much, especially now days when fanboysm is so deep in this industry's media.

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15 Last-Gen Games That Still Compete with Current-Gen Graphics

GB: "Say what you will about the state of the industry, but even as games evolve, their graphics remain a key aspect. Even some of the biggest flops this year sport some gorgeous visuals, as publishers and developers push the boundaries of what’s possible, pouring years of time and money into their work."

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darthv72234d ago

Quantum Break and Ryse are two that I was really surprised did not get an FPS boost option when played on the Series X|S. when i started playing both on the XBO, I thought they are both good, but after playing them also on my steam deck (in 60fps) I just cant go back and play the base games on XB. They really benefit from that faster frame rate.

Driveclub is another i wished had a HFR mode on PS5.

MatrixxGT234d ago

Most games this gen are the exact same except now we get faster loading through SSD and a res and fps bump. Graphically not much has improved, hell most last gen games are being relabeled and resold as “remastered” with the aforementioned updates.
I haven’t seen or played anything on either platform that couldn’t be run on last gen. Guess the law of diminishing returns is really showing itself these days.

127maXimus234d ago

Most games from 20 years ago are basically the same as today, with resolution and fps upgrades. The AI is still just as braindead as it always has been, worlds are full of static, boring characters that do the same thing over and over.

Demetrius233d ago

Smh another reason why graphics haven't improved that much is because most devs too caught up on cross gen. Ps4 was/still a dope console but time has moved on we're halfway close to a ps6 reveal and devs still will be making games on last gen in 2025. Then theres Microsoft purposely got the Xbox series s that causes more devs to try to pull strings as much as they can smh. It's a mixed bag of stuff, the only ones I see pushing hardware is sonys studios and even some indie games look better

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Why Guerrilla Games Shouldn't Abandon the Killzone Series

Hugely disappointingly, it seems that Guerrilla Games, developers of the Killzone and Horizon series, may be done with Killzone for good.

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IAMRealHooman241d ago

1 was fine, overhyped as a " halo" killer
2 was a graphical beast at the time, and felt heavy
3 was good a refinement of 2 but not much else. weird audio issues environment were to quiet
shadow fall was pretty but bland

OtterX241d ago (Edited 241d ago )

Shadowfall had great Multiplayer though. Too bad the campaign was meh at best. It did have the occasional great moment sprinkled in.

TheNamelessOne241d ago (Edited 241d ago )

I played through 2/3 multiple times. I played through the original once, but it felt pretty lukewarm for me. I couldn't be bothered to beat Shadow Fall. I got a couple hours in and just went "I'm done". Never touched it again. It was awesome on the tech side, being a launch title, but it didn't even match up to the first game when it came to actually having fun playing it.

Rude-ro241d ago

3 in 3d was an amazing experience to be had.
Although not many experienced it as intended for good reasons.

just_looken241d ago

You forgot the ai advancements on the playstation 2 killzone one you could have a full team of bots doing everything even playing the objective that was a big thing.

In killzone 2 they always flanked you and when available used the high ground.

Playing killzone 2 no hud 5.1 audio was/is awesome

MDTunkown241d ago

They should finish Horizon story first

darthv72241d ago

I dont mind if someone else takes up the mantle for the KZ franchise. We are several years removed from the first game. It certainly could use a remake to gauge interest in the rest of the series. I know it has its fans... Im thinking of how a proper reboot can rekindle that old dormant flame and bring in a new generation of fans in the process.

just_looken241d ago

You forgot killzone mercenaries on the ps vita but it was the worst selling sony game for awhile there.

Yui_Suzumiya241d ago

Yeah, a remake would be pretty awesome

anast241d ago

They should let it go or sell it. No use spending millions on this project.

LucasRuinedChildhood241d ago

Would like a new IP before Horizon 3. Just because games take so long to make these days.

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Killzone After a Decade in Hibernation

It's been 10 years since Killzone: Shadow Fall arrived for PlayStation 4 early adopters, and there's no sign of another sequel.

Obscure_Observer584d ago

Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer.

Vengeance1138584d ago

lmao sadly? Are you pretending to have actually played the series lol Sorry bud, no Killzone on Xbox.

Cacabunga584d ago

With the downfall of COD and BF, Killzone def. has a chance to make a groundbreaking comeback

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Notellin583d ago (Edited 583d ago )

What a low-functioning reply here typical of the fanboy N4G community.

Rimeskeem584d ago

“Dumped”

I think it’s called moving on.

Barlos583d ago (Edited 583d ago )

They brought out 4 main games and 2 spin offs: one on PSP and one on Vita. That's a decent run for any series. I also understand that Shadow Fall wasn't a success commercially despite it coming out at PS4 launch, and as a big Killzone fan even I couldn't get into it, so I think Sony/Guerrilla could see it was time to move on.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love another Killzone game in the vein of KZ2 but it's just not happening. Hell, I'd even take a remake or remaster of the first 3 games.

I'd hardly say it was "dumped" though, it spanned 3 console generations and 2 handheld generations.

1Victor583d ago

@obscured:”Sadly it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer”

Happily it was dumped by Guerrilla to focus on Horizon games only. Mainline, VR and Multiplayer( edited to reflect the writer true feelings and allegiance)
Kill zone was a FPS far ahead of its glitched competitors with nauseating bad camera angles, 10 years old screaming curses like a drunk sailor and bot aiming assist.

ChasterMies583d ago

“Sadly”?

The Horizon games were among the best games of all time. Killzone Shadowfail wasn’t.

Shane Kim583d ago

True, but damn the memories of KZ2 multiplayer. Still no MP as fun as that to this date.

Mr_cheese583d ago

Dumped and shelved are two different things

Tacoboto583d ago

And Sony as a whole dumped the FPS genre so they wouldn't have products competing with COD and (until purchase) Destiny.

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GoodGuy09584d ago

I loved the KZ2+3 campaigns and MP in 2. There could be so much more done with the franchise. Horizon although good, I wish they'd go back to this wonderful IP. Take a break from Horizon please.

Flawlessmic584d ago

Agreed dude, I would absolutely love a reboot of the series, one can only hope that either resistance or killzone makes a return.

Have nothing but great memories, especially of the first 3 games, but all 4 were show stoppers graphically.

blackbeld584d ago

To making it a successful reboot they have to change that buttons layout! Make it playable like the cod button layout. Otherwise I’ll skipping it again.

Rynxie583d ago

And that's the reason why many fps games failed. Instead of being original and catering to it's fans, they tried to make it like cod. No, kz doesn't need cod button layout. It needs to be like it was on kz2 or balanced liked kz3.

Lightning77584d ago

I think Kill Zone would do great in Sony's LS push. As well as MAG reboot and bring back Resistance into LS.

Sharky231583d ago

@Lightning77

I think WarHawk would have been a great Live service game.

thorstein584d ago

Killzone games were so polished. The gameplay was just simple joy. MP was one of the best experiences.

I remember KZ3, just staring at how awesome they animated the water and then getting wasted because of it.

P_Bomb584d ago

It’s been a decade? Now I’m sad.

LiViNgLeGaCY583d ago

I hear ya bud. We're due for a revival.

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