Kojima Productions surprised us with the Latest MGS4 trailer that showed notable Graphical Improvements. Click the link to see the image.
Since the Mgs camp that journalist were taken too so its been in polishing face since then which obiously improves the quality of the graphics and it still has a month more of polishing to go through.
the game is complete and i think the leftover months they are putting in the final touches. can't wait for this game. i hope they also make the sound and the use of dual shock 3 perfect too.
These pics still don't do this game justice
I noticed that when I first seen the new MGS4 trailer. Everything looked notably better. It really showed in the graveyard scenes.
they're most likely going to use the next few weeks to polish up minor detail (not that it even needs any by the looks of the trailers and shots) i like the before and after image this showed. wow, so much more detail was added. and i like Meryl's new hair. it's more modern.
I'm so happy they fixed Meryl's hair, it was bugging the sh!t outta me the way it was sticking out stiffly straight back. That was a nice montage of "before and after" comparisons. I thought I noticed a difference, but I was too busy staring and waiting to see some new footage. Nothing really until the end.
I am most impressed with the tech innovation characters like the Bosses "The Beauty and the Beast Unit" (all four of them are women who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder (wikipedia) and Snake's little side kick robot. Freakin' Badass!!!! :)
Every screen or video we have official been shown is taken from what will now be an 8 month old build. It's going to be damn pretty come release day. Some of those screens definitely show a marked improvement. Cant wait for MGO tomorrow :) Better be tomorrow!
You hear me? lol <<<still pissed at himself for not getting the pre-order due to excessive laziness. Talk about shooting ones self in the foot.
What region are you? Troll the forums, find one man!
Los Angeles of Souther California in the US. Is there still a chance that I can get one? How would I do it? I want to pre-order anyway.
I'm UK so I just got it off the PSN. But go to your local store tomorrow and ask. I'm pretty sure you can still get in :)
Pre-order? Why, when you can just walk in to any Wal-Mart, Target, Bestbuy, Circuit City or similar store on release day and buy a copy. Pre-ordering is for people with more money than sense.
@fenderputty Gamecrazy here in CO still had a bunch of beta copies. If you can track someplace down that still has copies there really isn't any reason why you couldn't still get in. Better hurry though, cause now you've got two patches to d/l...
I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS GAME. But, this seems more of a downgrade than an improvement, going by that picture. The character models and faces seem more artificial (fewer polygons), and the post-processing effects/HDR has been toned down, from what I can tell. Also, it's VERY UNFAIR comparison, because the screencaps from the first trailers are very blurry, making the textures look worse than they really did. There's also a LOT less polygonal and environmentaldetail in the background of the Raiden picture. I AM STILL VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE GAME, THOUGH.
They do look better there's no doubt about that.
umm.. you know left was old pic and right was new pic don't you? As for effects, if you're referring to the glare that almost totally obscures the top pic, i'm glad that's gone.
No, they don't look better. They SEEM to look better at first, because the screencaps of the first trailers are very blurry and low quality. This is a really, really unfair comparison. Someone needs to take HIGH-DEF screencaps of the old trailers, to make a fair comparison. Still, I'm a graphics whore who is really acute when it comes to picking out graphical fidelity, and to my eyes, this looks like a downgrade. Which does occur quite frequently in the videogame industry. Games get downgraded all the time, and it's usually typical that they get downgraded from the early trailers/tech demos, as the developers start working with finalized hardware and devkits that didn't meet their expectations for how powerful the system was going to be. Don't act like downgrades never occur, because they occur quite frequently in reality. Did you guys know that there's talk about MGS4 possibly being 576p in the Beyond3D forums? That's an example of a downgrade for you.
Downgrade? How on earth do you get that from looking at those pictures? There's much more detail on every object. And the lighting, while definitely turned down, looks much more realistic than the hardcore light bloom that made the previews look like an acid dream.
You must be a 360 fan.. you would like those washed out pics on the left.. Those washed out pics look like GOW.. No textures.. No color.. No detail.. The ones on the right look more real.. Theres more color better detail and crap load more textures.. 360 fans love that washed out look
I've never seen a game's graphics going from good to bad and this won't be the first time.I'm sure they're upgraded, but you just can't notice because the screen are low res and small.
You people are all simply looking at the fact that the newer screenshots are SHARPER. That's because the OLD screenshots are BLURRY and LOW QUALITY, which makes the old trailers look worse than they really did. This is at best a very flawed and biased comparison. Let's at least be OBJECTIVE now, and wait for a better quality screenshots comparison, and a better quality version of the new trailer. What's wrong with having a little OBEJCTIVITY for once, instead of having a typical knee-jerk fanboy reaction?
You'd have to be blind not to see that as an improvement.. seriously. Just look at the wrinkles on the old man's face, or meryl's hair going from blocky to more layered and textured. Those pics are obvious upgrades
The screens aren't blurry. The blurred look is merely the result of oversaturation, used to extreme abundance for the E306 trailer and done away with.
They only appear to have fewer wrinkles on their faces because of the HDR and bloom effects slightly obscuring the facial wrinkles. Otherwise, the first set of screens show much more realistic looking faces. Much more natural, like real people almost. The newer character models look more like videogames. Just take a look at the Otacon picture. He looks way more like a real human being than in the newer version.
Just download the trailer and you will see for yourself the improvements. The youtube trailer looks like crap. http://www.megaupload.com/?... These pics don't do the game justice.
I could care less about the fact that these pics are blurred some.. I'm just looking at the new shots and seeing that there is more detail than in the ones I've been looking at over the last few months, and the fact that the lighting has been changed. It's still an improvement, if you don't think so, go back and look at the different trailers and screenshots that have came out over the months. Instead of trying to prove everyone wrong and say there are no improvements because these are doctored shots, just go look for yourself. While it's not leaps and bounds better, it's still tightened up.
Actually looking at Raiden and Big Mama's images. I prefer the old ones, they look a lot more full and realistic than the new ones. You can see Raiden's face clearly in the old image while in the new one it doesn't look as clean and clear. Big Mama's old look was a lot more round and plush, while in the new one her face looks longer and not as pleasant. Also, if you look at her jacket you can see they've decreased the detail. The foam squares in the old version pops out and the stitching is highly visible while in the new one it's flat and less detailed. Noticed another one. Look at Naomi's nails in the last pic. In the image on the right her nails are very detailed and crisp compared to the new one. However, the cemetery screens all the new ones look better than the old ones, so I guess it's fair trade in one way or another. -EDIT- Just watched the HQ version. It looks better in motion and gives a edgier tone to the game compared to the old trailer, so thumbs up. ^_^
Statix is right in some ways, some aspects look better, some feel downgraded, Otacon's picture is the best example, the background looks beautiful, yet otacon looks really fake, i think the first pictures look like a total improvement, well, I guess we need HD versions to really compare.
Bloom sucks when overused and usually it's a crutch for dev's who have something to hide.
what side do you think is the new one? old: right side new: left side because all of the effects you appear to be describing from the "old" one are actually the effects and layers added to the new one. even look at the last picture where it is circled, clearly the left side illustrates the bump. And really I like the new ones better than the old, sure not as clear but the mood is much more apparent.
@ciid I might just be reading your post wrong, but are you kidding?!? The older shots are on the left side of the comparisons. If you truly think it's the opposite I suggest you go find the old video (last one released before yesterday's Japanese version) and watch closely. The shots running down the right side are what was taken from yesterday's vid and clearly have much more detail than before. Just go back and look at the shot comparing Otacon in the graveyard in front of the heli or the shot in the Middle East showing the heli flying off with smoke and buildings. Not even close...
there isnt much of a difference here , just a tinkering of saturation, bloom, colour focus and the like....honestly, i prefer the left pics, especially raidens eyes being so darn scary !
yeah because im sure they used these extra months to make worse graphics. common sense please
I still hate Drebin's (gun launderer guy) monkey, he doesn't look like a 'next-gen' monkey at all. Next gen monkeys don't take shi* from anyone, not even snake. I think that monkey plays some kind of pivotal role in the ending. I think he stops Snake from killing himself right at the end...SPOILER :)Either that or he's the real Colonel Cambell. Or the long lost Liquid Monkey Snake.
Lmfao, bubbles for comedic value.
I think the next game will be all monkey, since this is the end of Snake, year of the monkey is 3 years after year of the snake, that monkey is roughly 1/3 of Snake's size.. they're just giving us a taste this time around. That monkey has been training with snake for years, knows CQC, climbs like woah, and has thumbs on his feet too... thumbs on his feet I say! dual weilding? try quad weilding.. Why do you think he's wearing metal pants? so he doesn't scrape his butt while scooting forward shooting 4 guns
Don't worry TimeSplitters 4 should have High-Def Monkeys in it!;-D With Rocket Launchers to!;-D
Don't you agree?
Not really. The character models that were used for the E3 2006 trailer are completely different and Kojima did away with the extreme oversaturation of the E3 2006 trailer. Anyway, some of the comparisons were stupid, like the added part to the helicopter, but the Snake character model as it is now, looks better than it did two years ago. Never really liked the E306 versions of Snake or Meryl. -edit- Looks like I got a little disagreer here. Explain.
I don't agree.
Images 1, 2 and 3 show a massive difference. Are you zooming in on them??
The first trailer was pre-rendered, you can tell, It looks amazing now and has come very close visual benchmark
Lol. It wasn't pre-rendered.
kojima has never been known to use pre-rendered material. you would know that if you've ever followed the saga. it's ALWAYS in-game.
You have alot to learn about the MetalGear Solid series, Rapture.
i did say in the last japanese trailer the graphics was super!!!
OK! which one is the improved one and which ones? I guess that means that the improvments are not the noticable and some are but I can't tell which ones are supposed to be the improved ones vs the ones that have been improved.
I think that the "new" raiden looks less cool than the old one, I liked how his eye's looked in the old trailer, he does look more like raiden from mgs2 now so maybe thats why they changed him like this...anyway this game is going to be great ^_^
I concur, his eyes had an evil psycho look to them before. Now it's gone, now it's gooone.
He now looks more human... which in my opinion adds more flavor to his "badassism" lol. I'm loving the more realistic feel for raiden, his eyes have more story and emotion behind them imo. (no homo)
i think the game looks beautiful in its own way.
I reckon, for PS3 I definently this game is going to be a top AAA title (see no fanboism at all). Overall the game should really impress especially if everything is interactive and the AI is up to scratch, what I liked in the demo vid was when you could pick up a mag that was on the floor and read it what I didnt like was the AI when Snake went into the dustbin and rolled clearly this caused noise but the 2 guards did not respond so am assuming this was only for that demo vid and the AI should be very very good. Overall should be a killer title on the PS3 along with some other solid titles out this year for the PS3 platform.
Looks absolutely brilliant now the xbots cant say cwap bout how dis game luks!!!!!
i liked the old colonel better but its looking better, MGS4 will be amazing- cant wait month and a half to go now @solar oh now i see, thats what the avatar is about well have fun
i know....sooooo long of a wait. yet my patience will be rewarded. plus i got my TF:2 achievements to work on in that time ;)
I'm just laughing now at the bots when they said it looked washed out
They graphics are better, but I think they should have continued with the blur.
The MGS has always been one step ahead of the competition graphics-wise and I expect nothing less on this next installment. I played my old MGS3 game again the other day and there some parts where I felt that I swear I was playing something that was suppose to be PS3 game.
so is konami gonna try and relaunch the BETA tomorrow. friday?
I think its about the kind of effects added to the trailer. The one on the left has a murky blurry texture while the one of the right is more sharp.
Can't wait to play the game now.
...this latest trailer is a downgrade. The first trailer (tgs06) looked really sharp, with lots of details in Snake. You could see the sweat and dirt on Snakes face. You could even see the rough skin on Snake face and I don't mean the wrinkles. It looked so realistic. The first trailer didn't use heavy filters, so the colors really popped and every thing which wasn't blured (motion/depth-of-field) looked sharp. The second trailer (E3 07) looked less sharp, because of the heavy use of filters light/shadow effects. But still looked fantastic, but very different from the first trailer. After that MGS4 looked downgraded a lot. And why are changing the characters design constantly? An artist should stop somewhere with changing.
http://img.photobucket.com/... Not the last trailer but still in HD http://img.photobucket.com/...
lol. they tried making it look more like Gears of War. Too bad it never will! lol Metal Grey Limp!
This is why you only have 3 bubbles. One question for you. Why are you here? This is a PS3 game. Oh wait i'm sorry thats right you bought a PS3 to play this and all the great games coming this year. Well you don't have to pretend to like 360 anymore now.
what?..that grey pile of crap that has no colour, my PLOP-PLOP has more colour than GREYS OF HAIR
i know people that are color blind and see more color then GoW.
Gears has no color? LOL. Looks like another n00b didn't play it. Gears is more vibrant than this sack of ugly sh1t. All they did since the last trailer to try and make it look better was up the normal map output amount. Sorry, Kojima. Gonna need more than that.
"Metal Grey Limp" ha that is a quite feeble attempt. well done! you are a moron!